View Full Version : Bridge Officers changing rarity once Commissioned
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02-12-2010, 11:11 AM
This has been seen by many people.
Essentially it goes like this:
Get a BO reward mission. Accept the BO. Check its traits and powers before commissioning. Then commission them. Check the powers after. The traits and powers have changed. I've seen this. Others have. If you have, please post.
Edit:
Also, if possible, please take screen shots of the bridge officer before you claimed it, once you claimed it and also once you commissioned it, this will allow a proper comparison to be made and also assist in looking for patterns.
Please also detail what mission this happens on.
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02-12-2010, 11:13 AM
I can confirm this happens on anything green or above. I've lost Tyken's Rift III because of this, and my science officers weep.
It happens when you get a BO as a reward for any mission, of any color above white.
It's very sad.
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02-12-2010, 11:15 AM
Yeah, I saw this happen on a few of mine. I tried to accept a green one from one of the random quests, it wouldn't let me because I had too many, so i got rid of one, went to go accept it again and the skills were different from the first one.
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02-12-2010, 11:16 AM
I have seen this before since going Live. I thought perhaps that I misread the powers. But now that I think of it, I had not. They changed.
-Keppoch
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02-12-2010, 11:39 AM
Yes if you "session" go leave and area or logout etc etc etc. What you get won't be whats listed from the bo person. But if you accept it before you leave the area after you level up and get your new missions its the right stuff.
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02-12-2010, 11:42 AM
While we're at it, there's oddness about training officers. Do you have to be on the ground or something?
... and is it intended that you can't train, say HYTIII, to a BO, then trade it to someone?
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02-12-2010, 11:49 AM
This happens to me all the time but i only started to notice it on the purple rarity ones, i have lost out on my science officers having tykens rift 3 and another rank 3 space move 4 or 5 times now because of this crappy bug.
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02-12-2010, 12:44 PM
Can confirm this too, was given a Engie Boff that had the Efficiency Space trait, after accepting the quts reward it switched to the "standard" ground trait package you see on white Boff's.
Same with skills, nearly all BOff's I received as a reward switched their skillset to the 3-4 variations you find in the personnel section at Starbase01.
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02-12-2010, 12:56 PM
Confirmed as well on the blue tactical officer I accepted yesterday. The skill set changed entirely after I accepted him into my inventory and even before I commissioned him to my crew. It's like the minute you accept the quest reward the system does some sort of random skill generation for them. I feel like I'm spinning the wheel of fortune now every time I accept a new officer.
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02-12-2010, 01:32 PM
Has anyone tested buying officers through the exchange? Do they change between purchase and commission?
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02-12-2010, 02:10 PM
confirmed from the rewards, any green bo or up has different skills once in your assignment tab.
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02-12-2010, 02:26 PM
Hate to break it to you all, but this is intended.
During OB, when they released the bo's for lvling up.. you could accept the quest, look at the stats, and decline. Redo it, and get new stats. Keep doing it till you got what you wanted. The change makes sense, that you cannot do this anymore.
So while i figure it is annoying.. it was done for a reason. Otherwise if left to the old way, it was exploitable.
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02-12-2010, 02:36 PM
every..literally every, Green or Blue BO reward has done this to me...Im not sure whats worse, the switching skills or the fact the dadgum requistion message to get them clogs my quest window when they are basically useless to me.
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02-12-2010, 03:38 PM
Hey there Everyone,
I am currently investigating this issue, however I have been unable to get this to reproduce internally. I have already tested with the normal BO rewards for simply leveling up that you receive from Hail Starfleet.
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It is possible that some of you may be mistaking 1 bug for another.
Currently we are aware of an issue in which when mousing over the BO reward the tool tip will display 1 name. However upon accepting the reward the BO name will change in the assignment tab before having the BO join the crew.
There is also a known skill naming discrepancy between what is displayed on the tooltip and what is displayed in the skill window.
For example :
Hypospray I in the tooltip is : Hypospray - Dylovene I
Hypospray I in the skill window is : Hypospray - Masiform D I
Chroniton Mine Barrier in the tooltip is : Chroniton Mine Barrier I
Chroniton Mine Barrier in the skill window is : Mine Barrier I
Aux to SIF in the tooltip is : Auxiliary Power to the Structural Integrity Field
Aux to SIF in the skill window is : Auxiliary to Structural
Jam Targetting Sensors in the tooltip is : Jam Targetting Sensors
Jam Targetting Sensors in the skill window is : Jam Sensors
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To best find what is causing this to occur please include the following when submitting reports of this.
What is the mission which offered the BO as a reward?
How many bridge officers were in your assignment tab when this occurred?
How many bridge officers were currently part of your crew?
What rank and grade were you?
Did this occur in Sector Space, System Space or on a Ground map?
Were you standing at a vendor or NPC when this happened?
What skills were displayed and what did they change to?
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02-12-2010, 06:01 PM
to falkoren,
I have experienced this as well. On the majority of officers awarded for leveling. Technically its a quest as its in my starfleet communication just like any of the other quests. But for me I've never had a problem with a mission reward bridge officer only the "bonus" officers I get for leveling.
Additional bugs. If I mouse over a boff don't accept him and then change zones the listed stats will change. if I have 2 or more boffs available to be accepted each time I go back and forth between the two their skills will change.
Once I accept the boff and he is placed in the assignments tab waiting to be accepted or used to train his skills have changed from what was in the quest dialog screen. I have never accepted a boff from anywhere but sector space. Its not that the description changes just a few words, its a total skill change Viral matrix III might change to gravity well II for instance.
In some cases I had 6 and 6 was all I was allowed to have assigned to me. In some cases I had 6 with 8 slots total. in all cases all of my available Boff slots where actually equipped on the ship. (4 seats 4 seats filled) I've experienced this with any where from 2-6 boffs waiting to be assigned to my crew. I find that the most often changed skill is the t4 commander skill. however I have seen all four space skills change to something different from before. I've experienced this in both t2 and t3 with both green and blue boffs.
this has happened with every single boff except twice. in both occasions as I was swapping between two boffs waiting for a skill set I liked (I know I'm sorry I'm abusing a bug, call it for testing purposes) I noticed after about the 3rd or 4th time of opening and closing the dialog the boff skill sets stopped changing and remained fixed no matter how many times I swapped back and forth between my two available rewarded boffs. At that time when I clicked accept the boff that was assigned to me was exactly the same as what was displayed. I have not been able to repeat this reliably.
I have also had the following experience I checked the boffs skill set didn't like it zoned a few times to get it to change and when I finally accepted him his skills reverted to what had originally been displayed the first time I check the reward dialog. I can't be sure about this 100% as I did not pay real close attention and it might have just been random that he was rerolled the exact same way as the first roll.
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02-12-2010, 06:04 PM
The bug I noticed is that the bridge officer requisitions quest will reroll the stats/skills/traits of the bridge officer it rewards you with as displayed in the tooltip when you talk to the quest giver. You can close the window and reopen it to see different stats endlessly (so long as you don't finish the quest). When you finish the quest the officer it gives you will again have a reroll of stats that will be different than what you last saw when completing the quest. So essentially the tooltip from the quest giver is useless.
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02-12-2010, 06:46 PM
It's happened to me before that if I turn in a quest, look at the BO candidates' stats/name to figure out which one I want, and I close/reopen the "Hail Starfleet" window, that the BO candidates will change. And after I choose one of the BO's, the name/stats might change again.
I haven't gotten any rare BO's yet, but I think a related issue that should be addressed is that once the BO is in your crew, you can't really tell whether it's supposed to be a common/uncommon/rare/etc BO anymore, since the text just turns white, instead of staying green/blue/purple. So it's really not clear whether the bug would be from the actual BO changing rarity, or having the correct rarity but with the wrong skills.
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02-12-2010, 10:17 PM
What is the mission which offered the BO as a reward? : Levelling up (2x)
How many bridge officers were in your assignment tab when this occurred? One, white, One white and one green
How many bridge officers were currently part of your crew? Three, four
What rank and grade were you? Er, the first level you get these things.
Did this occur in Sector Space, System Space or on a Ground map? One was sector space, one was ground
Were you standing at a vendor or NPC when this happened? No
What skills were displayed and what did they change to? At least on one, Tyken's Rift III was offered as a rank 4 (space) abilityI do not recall what it changed to.
In addition, are you aware of the Aceton Field issue, where it shows as a 5th Ground Power? (I forget, is it Aceton I or II)
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02-13-2010, 06:27 AM
All these (rare) BO rewards totally useless to me, they all seem to have same set of abilities. Do a random generator and spit out useful BO's with ALL abilities or just remove them.
As it stands you can just put VM3, Aceton 3 and dispersal pattern 3 to shop and all rare, super rare BO's are useless.
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02-13-2010, 07:01 AM
I haven't gotten any rare BO's yet, but I think a related issue that should be addressed is that once the BO is in your crew, you can't really tell whether it's supposed to be a common/uncommon/rare/etc BO anymore, since the text just turns white, instead of staying green/blue/purple. So it's really not clear whether the bug would be from the actual BO changing rarity, or having the correct rarity but with the wrong skills.
This is something I noticed. Is the text color supose to change? Every BO I have gotten after my first three base crew has shown up in Green. Then if I accept them to my ship thier name is white. Is that suppose to happen? I frankly have not paid enough attention to determine if skills and traits are right or wrong.
Thanks,
Duncan
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02-13-2010, 10:02 AM
All these (rare) BO rewards totally useless to me, they all seem to have same set of abilities. Do a random generator and spit out useful BO's with ALL abilities or just remove them.
As it stands you can just put VM3, Aceton 3 and dispersal pattern 3 to shop and all rare, super rare BO's are useless.
Very true!
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02-13-2010, 11:14 AM
This has happened to me every time ive gotten a bridge officer as a mission/level reward. Pretty sure it was mentioned that when you actually accept the bridge officer it gets re-rolled before being added to your inventory. so the tool tip is useless.
Doesn't happen if you purchase a Bridge officer from the npc or exchange.
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02-13-2010, 02:43 PM
Actually, I've found that if you accept the bridge officer generated the very first time you open the assignment mission, you do get whatever was generated, and will match what you saw in the assignment screen.
If for any reason, you cancel the assignment screen and reopen, it will randomise the bridge officer again for the assignment screen, and then again after you accept, so what you get will not match the assignment screen.
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02-13-2010, 04:22 PM
Can someone please take pictures for Falkoren so he can see whats going on?
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02-14-2010, 02:17 AM
Yup. I've seen this too many times. It's lame. Sucks hardcore. Basically you don't believe the stats in the reward mission rollovers until you get them.
This happens on 'collecting' the bridge officers when you rank up. Every other rank or so, they'll give you a free boff that wants to join your crew. You are given only 1 boff to collect. roll your mouse on the traits, it shows one thing, hit accept, it shows another on your candidates list.
I've reporte this bug many times. I've screen shotted it too. No fix yet.
This has been seen by many people.
Essentially it goes like this:
Get a BO reward mission. Accept the BO. Check its traits and powers before commissioning. Then commission them. Check the powers after. The traits and powers have changed. I've seen this. Others have. If you have, please post.
Edit:
Also, if possible, please take screen shots of the bridge officer before you claimed it, once you claimed it and also once you commissioned it, this will allow a proper comparison to be made and also assist in looking for patterns.
Please also detail what mission this happens on.
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02-14-2010, 02:20 AM
Just power level yourself a few times, and check the "freebie" bofff mission that wants to join your crew for ranking up. I noticed it in the rare levels.
Hey there Everyone,
I am currently investigating this issue, however I have been unable to get this to reproduce internally. I have already tested with the normal BO rewards for simply leveling up that you receive from Hail Starfleet.
----------
It is possible that some of you may be mistaking 1 bug for another.
Currently we are aware of an issue in which when mousing over the BO reward the tool tip will display 1 name. However upon accepting the reward the BO name will change in the assignment tab before having the BO join the crew.
There is also a known skill naming discrepancy between what is displayed on the tooltip and what is displayed in the skill window.
For example :
Hypospray I in the tooltip is : Hypospray - Dylovene I
Hypospray I in the skill window is : Hypospray - Masiform D I
Chroniton Mine Barrier in the tooltip is : Chroniton Mine Barrier I
Chroniton Mine Barrier in the skill window is : Mine Barrier I
Aux to SIF in the tooltip is : Auxiliary Power to the Structural Integrity Field
Aux to SIF in the skill window is : Auxiliary to Structural
Jam Targetting Sensors in the tooltip is : Jam Targetting Sensors
Jam Targetting Sensors in the skill window is : Jam Sensors
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To best find what is causing this to occur please include the following when submitting reports of this.
What is the mission which offered the BO as a reward?
How many bridge officers were in your assignment tab when this occurred?
How many bridge officers were currently part of your crew?
What rank and grade were you?
Did this occur in Sector Space, System Space or on a Ground map?
Were you standing at a vendor or NPC when this happened?
What skills were displayed and what did they change to?
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02-14-2010, 06:39 AM
Okay- I just graded up and got a new Boff. asking to join.
I took a screen capture. This time, instead of having his abilities completely get changed. His name changed.
His named changed from Etrohm Ensign to Tohlrat Ensign.
His abilities didnt get screwed up like before.
I think the ones that did get changed around were tactical officers. I noticed the 2 tactical officers I got in a row ended up changing their skills.
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02-15-2010, 12:28 AM
I have stats change on accepting them and once while changing costume on a rare bo. Both in space and on ground sucks to have a rare one turn not so rare.
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02-15-2010, 10:06 AM
You can only pick one officer in most of these quest rewards anyway.
If you check out the officer, then decline, then check out again via the Hail Starfleet button, it rerolls his stats and skills every time.
Theoretically you could keep doing this till you got every skill you wanted, then accept. But of course this would be absurdly overpowered. So when you accept the officer gets rerolled.
Makes sense to me. Cryptic could avoid complaints by making the stats/skills NOT reroll when you leave the dialog window and go back in. And then preserve the listed stats/skills upon acceptance.
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02-15-2010, 10:13 AM
Can someone please take pictures for Falkoren so he can see whats going on?
for those who don't know how:
/screenshot_ui_jpg
gonna take some screens myself when my twink receives new officers.
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02-16-2010, 07:35 AM
Actually, I've found that if you accept the bridge officer generated the very first time you open the assignment mission, you do get whatever was generated, and will match what you saw in the assignment screen.
If for any reason, you cancel the assignment screen and reopen, it will randomise the bridge officer again for the assignment screen, and then again after you accept, so what you get will not match the assignment screen.
I believe this to be true from limited testing. I'm alos going to a make a pure guess as to what could be causeing the problem.
IF you accept the bridge officer as soon as the reward is offered no problem.
If you don't accept it and reopen the quest dialog its random and then random again when its assigned to you.
Now here's where I think the problem lies... If you zone or change instances before opening the quest dialog it randomizes the Boff and you're stuck in situation 2 from then on out.
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02-16-2010, 11:32 AM
to falkoren,
I have experienced this as well. On the majority of officers awarded for leveling. Technically its a quest as its in my starfleet communication just like any of the other quests. But for me I've never had a problem with a mission reward bridge officer only the "bonus" officers I get for leveling.
Additional bugs. If I mouse over a boff don't accept him and then change zones the listed stats will change. if I have 2 or more boffs available to be accepted each time I go back and forth between the two their skills will change.
Once I accept the boff and he is placed in the assignments tab waiting to be accepted or used to train his skills have changed from what was in the quest dialog screen. I have never accepted a boff from anywhere but sector space. Its not that the description changes just a few words, its a total skill change Viral matrix III might change to gravity well II for instance.
In some cases I had 6 and 6 was all I was allowed to have assigned to me. In some cases I had 6 with 8 slots total. in all cases all of my available Boff slots where actually equipped on the ship. (4 seats 4 seats filled) I've experienced this with any where from 2-6 boffs waiting to be assigned to my crew. I find that the most often changed skill is the t4 commander skill. however I have seen all four space skills change to something different from before. I've experienced this in both t2 and t3 with both green and blue boffs.
this has happened with every single boff except twice. in both occasions as I was swapping between two boffs waiting for a skill set I liked (I know I'm sorry I'm abusing a bug, call it for testing purposes) I noticed after about the 3rd or 4th time of opening and closing the dialog the boff skill sets stopped changing and remained fixed no matter how many times I swapped back and forth between my two available rewarded boffs. At that time when I clicked accept the boff that was assigned to me was exactly the same as what was displayed. I have not been able to repeat this reliably.
I have also had the following experience I checked the boffs skill set didn't like it zoned a few times to get it to change and when I finally accepted him his skills reverted to what had originally been displayed the first time I check the reward dialog. I can't be sure about this 100% as I did not pay real close attention and it might have just been random that he was rerolled the exact same way as the first roll.
ditto for me
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02-16-2010, 11:37 AM
I have seen this purchasing bridge officers from the bridge officer guy at Sol. I bought the bridge officer for a land-based skill and after purchasing him and choosing to train his skill it was no longer listed. Something else was in the place of it.