Member poaching? Really?

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Thankfully this has been a non-issue with this community until now. When it came to poaching members from other fleets the leaders and members had acted with some class and refrained from doing it. Now it seems that some of questionable class have begun to PM members of various fleets in an attempt to recruit them.

Do you people not have any pride? If you need to do that to recruit, just what kind of fleet do you have in the first place? Whatever it truly is, you're just giving the impression that it's more sad than anything else. Thankfully it hasn't effected us yet, and it won't in the future either, but there are a lot of smaller fleets that don't deserve that kind of underhanded thing.

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Damn it, its Duras isn't it. Always with the Duras.

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Thankfully this has been a non-issue with this community until now. When it came to poaching members from other fleets the leaders and members had acted with some class and refrained from doing it. Now it seems that some of questionable class have begun to PM members of various fleets in an attempt to recruit them.

Do you people not have any pride? If you need to do that to recruit, just what kind of fleet do you have in the first place? Whatever it truly is, you're just giving the impression that it's more sad than anything else. Thankfully it hasn't effected us yet, and it won't in the future either, but there are a lot of smaller fleets that don't deserve that kind of underhanded thing.

I sympathize with you, Hagon, and would like to put it out for ALL FLEETS, Klingon and Federation, that this is completely intolerable.

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This is nonsense of the highest order. You do not own your members. They can choose to leave if they want.

If your member choose to leave for a fleet more suitable to their play style you have 3 options.
1. Write them off as fleet hoppers and be glad to have lost them.
2. Re-evaluate the aims and goals of your fleet to better serve your membership.
3. Accept that you have different goals for play and move on.

In most cases, where a member just leaves without saying anything the 1st applies. If they don't have the manners to articulate that they aren't happy in your fleet then **** them!

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This is nonsense of the highest order. You do not own your members. They can choose to leave if they want.

If your member choose to leave for a fleet more suitable to their play style you have 3 options.
1. Write them off as fleet hoppers and be glad to have lost them.
2. Re-evaluate the aims and goals of your fleet to better serve your membership.
3. Accept that you have different goals for play and move on.

In most cases, where a member just leaves without saying anything the 1st applies. If they don't have the manners to articulate that they aren't happy in your fleet then **** them!There's nothing being said about members leaving on their own.

The topic is people actively trying to recruit members of other fleets. It's a classless act on the part of the person trying to poach, not to mention generally annoying to most fleet members having to get these tells.

Get your members on the merits of your fleet. If people from other fleets are interested in what you have to offer they will apply on their own. If people aren't interested and no one is applying, then maybe you have a problem that poaching members from other fleets isn't going to address. We don't need to try and entice people away from each other's fleets. That's just shameful, not to mention very immature behaviour.

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Unsolicited tells are rude in all contexts but I think it's a bit harsh to say you shouldn't mention your fleet to someone who has a fleet. If I've played with someone and enjoyed it I'd feel pretty comfy asking them if they were looking for a fleet/happy with their current fleet.

The sad truth is (myself included on occasion) some people don't like to be guildless and will remain in a group they're unhappy with until they've been accepted into a new one for certain.

That is not to say that I'd pressure them about it but I don't feel asking the question is rude. And besides if you casually ask and they say yes the chances are they were on the hunt for another fleet anyway. The flaw, I'd say, isn't with people who ask 'Are you happy in your current fleet?'. It's with the player who isn't open with him fleet-mates about his unhappiness.

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There's a mechanism for people to advertise their fleets, and for people looking for a fleet. Here's a hint... you're posting in it. Anything more, and I include polluting the zone chats with fleet recruitment blurbs in with it, is a plain lack of class, simple as that.

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Members of a house are people, Not some kind of currency or resource that is to be controlled, Let them do whatever they want.

Solid leadership and good companionship will make "Poaching" a non issue.

I really dont get why anyone would worry about this, Personally I dont recruit in game at all anymore.

Likeminded people tend to gravitate together anyhow. Quality over Quantity.

Korthos

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Members of a house are people, Not some kind of currency or resource that is to be controlled, Let them do whatever they want.

Solid leadership and good companionship will make "Poaching" a non issue.

I really dont get why anyone would worry about this, Personally I dont recruit in game at all anymore.

Likeminded people tend to gravitate together anyhow. Quality over Quantity.

KorthosDo you think reading comprehension is important? Just asking, cause ......

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In what sense is posting in zone chat poaching? It isn't even targeted at any one person or group. In that context the recruitee has to make the first move to ask for more information or to join.

I agree spamming such a macro can become tasteless but once an hour or so per zone is fine by me. This is just ONE resource for recruitment and a very under-utilised one. If you expect people to come here, to come to you, then you haven't understood advertising or recruitment at all. It's all about creating awareness and a positive image.

In order to make people aware of your existence you have to go to them.

Think of it in these terms. People advertise jobs, opportunities and services publicly in the real world. Is it disloyal of an employee to be aware of this advertising? I think not.

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Quality over Quantity.

Korthos

Enough said. Frankly, if someone is just noobish enough to respond to this "poaching" as you call it, they probably had no business in your group anyway.

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Well, I took the time to read this entire thread, and the only thing I can really say is "LOL".

Loreki is right in every aspect. Very few people who play the game traverse the forums on a regular basis, and of those few, MOST are forum trolls more interested in keeping their post count up and sounding self important than they ever were at gathering any info or resources about the game. Let's face it, forum people are forum people.

I advertise my fleet regularly whenever I enter a new zone. I do not advertise in the same zone twice in a 30 minute period. If I am teamed with someone who appears to know what they're doing, and I think that person will be a good match to my fleet, I ask them if they would care to join. If they're already in a fleet, I start out with something like "So, how's your fleet? You guys do a lot together? Why are you in a pug right now?" If they give me somewhere to go from there, I take the lead and try to sell them on the fleet.

If you don't think this sort of thing happens everyday everywhere in life, be it business, romance, school, sports, etc. then you are a fool. Active recruiting is how good fleets are made (and how the world works, as a whole). While I will not press the matter further if I get a feeling that they're pretty happy with their fleet, I *will* and *do* press the matter otherwise.

If your own insecurities about your ability to maintain a proper fleet have you worried about people picking your members out from under you, then maybe you should reevaluate your role as a leader, and possibly pass the torch to someone better suited to the job.

Just my two cents,
-Venom@Daede
Fleet Commander of Disposable Heroes - A KDF FvK Fleet - http://www.dheroes.info/

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If Someones joins your fleet and leaves in a couple weeks maybe he is not your style.

if someone joins your fleet and becomes an elite player and then drops because someone is offering him stuff then he is just an unloyal POS you wouldnt want on your fleet anyway....if you cant count on the peopel around you...people who come and go with the best deal you dont have a fleet anyways...

Loyalty is the # factor in a fleet if u got guys who dont like each other or the camraderie of their fellow players and they get poaced..so be it

A true realy true freind never leaves someone behind


each member poaced from u is a blessing..and weeds out the here for myself only type

to be fair some poaced members r just not into your fleet and want another more their style

the games only been open a month or so so i dont feelanyone at this time can be poaced...poaching is like after 3 months a guy leaves u

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Basically I will extend an offer to another person even if they are in a fleet if I am impressed with the performance and or enjoy playing with them as a person, its soly theyre decision to leave or not. Your poaching post is flawed in the fact that all people have a choice and if they leave, obviously they left for a reason. You expect no one to look for cooler people to play with because theyre in your fleet already? LOL

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Meh, I can see it from both sides.

If you're talking about posing ads in zone chat that's not "poaching'". If you're talking about some classless idjit mass private messaging people in a fleet "to come join my fleet lolz" then yes, that's ... stupidity.

I , personally, never talk to anyone in a fleet about fleet stuff. Feels wrong. If they aren't in a fleet it's okay, if they are, then they need to make the first motions at leaving before I'll bring it up.

Obviously, some people disagree.

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Well those of you with no self respect and not adverse to showing just how lame your fleet must be by trying to recruit players from other ones in this desperate manner can do as you like. No one can stop you.

It is pretty sad that you don't have enough confidence in what you created to be secure in knowing that if it's a desirable place to be people will see that and eventually come on their own.

Just so you know though, the main thing is that your tells and such are very annoying to most members of quality fleets. It's on the same level as the gold seller tells really. Like I said before, this hasn't affected our fleet at all, but it's just such a pity people stoop to such desperate thing.

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Well those of you with no self respect and not adverse to showing just how lame your fleet must be by trying to recruit players from other ones in this desperate manner can do as you like. No one can stop you.

It is pretty sad that you don't have enough confidence in what you created to be secure in knowing that if it's a desirable place to be people will see that and eventually come on their own.

Just so you know though, the main thing is that your tells and such are very annoying to most members of quality fleets. It's on the same level as the gold seller tells really. Like I said before, this hasn't affected our fleet at all, but it's just such a pity people stoop to such desperate thing.

Sounds like you have personal issues bro, they have counselors for issues like this.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but this thread has shown that what you would term poaching doesn't seem to be social unacceptable to the community at large.

I have to disagree with your second assertion as well. Starting a new fleet is essentially launching a new product. Advertising to build brand awareness is key. Certainly once you've been going a while word of mouth and reputation will proceed you and you won't have to try as hard. However if you don't push in those opening months to create awareness, you won't last long enough to develop a reputation.

I'm going to go out on a limb here so correct me if I'm wrong in the following assumptions.
1. BoK is a larger fleet.
2. In your opening days you recruited anyone who was fleetless, without any criteria as such.
3. You've been losing a lot of members of late.

If 1 and 2 are correct 3 is perfectly natural. Where a fleet recruits without stated goals, play styles and requirements people join to "give you a go" but you eventually lose a lot of members when the honeymoon is over. Don't be sad about this, and certainly don't come complaining, you don't really want members who don't fit in anyway.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here so correct me if I'm wrong in the following assumptions.
1. BoK is a larger fleet.
2. In your opening days you recruited anyone who was fleetless, without any criteria as such.
3. You've been losing a lot of members of late.



1. Yes we are by far the largest Klingon fleet, because we've made it a fun environment to be in, and people that have anything to do with us in game and are looking for a fleet to join seem to be seeing that, and those that go through our recruitment thread here seem to get that sense off us as well.

We don't recruit just anybody either. In fact we don't do any recruitment at all beyond our thread in this section. Most people appreciate that we don't spam zone chats and bother them with tells , and cite that respect for our fellow players as being a sign of a quality organization. People are required to apply at our site and answer a few questions designed to get some sense of what type of person they are. Then they are required to go through what is in essence a probationary period before they are made full members.

2. We don't recruit in game. Our recruitment is primarily done via this section of the forums, and people playing with us in game and contacting us about joining the fleet. Anyone contacting one of our members about joining the fleet, as many many do, are directed to our site and asked to go through our application process.

3. We haven't ever lost members to any other fleets except for a tiny group that apparently was upset that we didn't believe in a "Win at any cost, even if it means being a jerk to your fleet mates" attitude. So it was a case of that kind of person leaving being the best thing for our fleet anyway.

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3. We haven't ever lost members to any other fleets except for a tiny group that apparently was upset that we didn't believe in a "Win at any cost, even if it means being a jerk to your fleet mates" attitude. So it was a case of that kind of person leaving being the best thing for our fleet anyway.


Soooooo...say thank you to the supposed "poachers"? Maybe send flowers and ask for a second date?

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10charaaaa

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This thread is very funny.

It's like you think the members of your fleet are contractually obligated to continue being a member. They're not.

Or maybe you think of them as a commodity, and someone is stealing them. They're not.


"Limited time offer! Switch to our fleet and we'll give you millions of credits!" LOL


But, I'm not in any fleets, I thought this thread was funny and just had to post.


Side note: Doesn't changing the color of my post makes me so cool? I feel like I'm important now!

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Ok; I don't follow. You haven't had a problem with poachers but are being pre-emptively *****y?

That's just weird.

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personally the only time i was "poached" alot was in WoW and the guilds i were currently in halted raiding and i was debating leaving anyway due to more then 1 reason.

but imho as far as poaching, it will happen, why i have no idea as there is nothing along the lines of raids or anything that has lockout timers ( ala wow ). and i dont agree with poaching

but its up to the player to move, not the fleet. if they leave there was another reason other then being invited to another fleet.

but along the same lines, if they left one fleet to join yours, what makes that fleet think the person wont leave them for yet another fleet

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3. We haven't ever lost members to any other fleets except for a tiny group that apparently was upset that we didn't believe in a "Win at any cost, even if it means being a jerk to your fleet mates" attitude. So it was a case of that kind of person leaving being the best thing for our fleet anyway.

You start a thread complaining about "poaching", and then indicate you have lost no members save for a tiny exception.

Pardon my confusion, but which is it? Why clutter the forums?

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Wow some seem pretty upset that anyone would question their desperate recruitment methods.

I think that in and of itself speaks volumes as to the quality of these people, and whatever fleets they represent. Well that and the lack of reading comprehension skills shown by many of them. :D

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hope you didnt mean me, as im not upset about it, or care for it in STO as it serves no purpose.
i just feel that it is a risk that happens in almost everygame

but ultimatly up to the player on to leave or not

Wow some seem pretty upset that anyone would question their desperate recruitment methods.

I think that in and of itself speaks volumes as to the quality of these people, and whatever fleets they represent. Well that and the lack of reading comprehension skills shown by many of them. :D

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Wow some seem pretty upset that anyone would question their desperate recruitment methods.

I think that in and of itself speaks volumes as to the quality of these people, and whatever fleets they represent. Well that and the lack of reading comprehension skills shown by many of them. :D


I think maybe you created a problem that does not even exist, Personally me and anyone from my house enjoy teaming up with people from any House, and certainly dont "Pouch" members from any House.

Im honored to be part of any group in PvP that will have my sorry ass with them, and to me the diversity is what makes it fun.

If people misunderstood your original post, Maybe you did not make it clear enough?

I look forward to going in to combat as your friend, fighting the same fight as you do you one day.


Korthos

General of the House of Sent'nel

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Okay, so I wasn't going to say anything else on this thread, but I changed my mind.

Hagon, I know you say that you're not losing members due to poaching, but the existence of this thread is showing everyone who plays STO (and reads these forums) several things right now:

1) You are incredibly insecure about your ability to hold your fleet together.
You're attacking people who are casually recruiting the people they play with. So, basically, your organization isn't providing enough people for proper teams, so they find themselves in pugs with people or maybe another fleet who *notices* they're in a fleet but for some reason in a pug, and decides to approach them on the subject. My guys find themselves pugging in 1 or 2 from time to time, we're still a pretty small fleet (heh, sometimes its even my guys who are pugged in. I, myself solo PvP often, and find myself as the pug). If they like the guy they pugged in, they approach him casually. Seems the easiest way to avoid this is to either flesh out your numbers some and fill your teams with your own fleet, or don't recruit people you think will leave at the drop of a dime.

2) You've been either a) living under a rock for the past 75 years, or b) born and raised in some socialist society where free trade, freedom of speech, and freedom of choice are expressly prohibited - and therefore have no idea how you are supposed to treat and interact with other people, especially subordinates.
You treat your members like a commodity you've bought off the market, someplace. You act as though you've some right to their loyalty, and you should bear some influence on their decisions. I hate to have to be the one to tell you this, but your members have another name they like to go by: Free-thinking sentient beings. They are living breathing people with the ability to decide for themselves what is best for them. if you bear any influence on them at all, it should be because you have earned their respect and adoration as a leader, a friend, and/or whatever. There is no suggested solution for this behavior, as it is purely psychological, though with the information provided, we can't determine the origin of the issue itself. Get out and see more of the world, I guess. Meet and interact with more people *shrug*.

3) You have *NO IDEA* how capitalist society functions, and have obviously never been involved in anything marketing related in your lifetime.
A new fleet is a product. It develops by representation; audible, visible, and physical. Companies recruit out from under one another all the time. They even do it in pretty much the EXACT same manner. It's perfectly GOOD business, and some of your BEST mates come from recruiting people out of bad organizations. Whether you like it or not, it happens everywhere, every day, in EVERY facet of life.

I could go on for quite a while, man, but I think you've got the gist of it. Reiterating that nobody has left your fleet via poaching doesn't really address the fact that you're worried about it enough to have created this thread. You really need to lighten up and roll with the punches, or maybe pass the torch off to someone who understands how to manage a high-turnover organization (which all fleets are, at least initially. It's worth noting that keeping your business high-turnover can be a VERY profitable business model (directly applicable to fleets), but that's for another thread, entirely).

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Roll with the punches, man...

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there are soooooooo many players out there that are un-fleeted.

recruit them.

even when i'm in arenas with people that are fleeted, no one ever says anything about fleet recruitment. maybe it's b/c i'm Sci, don't really do a lot of damage, and am an easy target...
maybe it's b/c i speak my mind and tell it how it is and some people cant read sarcasm or handle negative feedback.

i dont know i dont care. at this point a lot of people are still iffy about this game and the best way to ensure longevity is to promote teaming, get the unfleeted in fleets, get them skilled up w/some real experience.

you want better players and a better community? make them. there are plenty out there waiting that have the potential.
this goes for both sides of the arguement.

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The topic is people actively trying to recruit members of other fleets. It's a classless act on the part of the person trying to poach, not to mention generally annoying to most fleet members having to get these tells.

So report them for spamming and be done with it.

And yes, I consider unwanted solicitations of any sort to be tantamount to spamming.

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So report them for spamming and be done with it.

And yes, I consider unwanted solicitations of any sort to be tantamount to spamming.

That is abuse of the "Report Spam" function, and I'm sure over time you'll be dealt with for it.

A spammer is a ..nvm, you're not an idiot, you know what real spam is. When you report people for spamming who aren't spamming, that is when you report people who are merely recruiting or whatnot, you are doing nothing but making the "Report Spam" feature useless. Please, don't be stupid.

*ROLLS EYES AT DURRRRRRRRRRRR STATEMENT*

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someone is taking the GAME way to seriously.... Relax man if someone advertises in zone about fleet recruiting then let them if you do not like it ignore them and move on. If it is this big of an issue to your then maybe you should not play and MMO as it will happen and will always happen. As for attacking someones classiness that just just immature and is as bad and what you are saying others do.


Pot Meet Kettle.

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So report them for spamming and be done with it.

And yes, I consider unwanted solicitations of any sort to be tantamount to spamming.

Adding you to my ignore list, I've never heard such a titanically ignorant statement in my time in STO. I am stupider just for hearing it.

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there are soooooooo many players out there that are un-fleeted.

recruit them.

even when i'm in arenas with people that are fleeted, no one ever says anything about fleet recruitment. maybe it's b/c i'm Sci, don't really do a lot of damage, and am an easy target...
maybe it's b/c i speak my mind and tell it how it is and some people cant read sarcasm or handle negative feedback.

i dont know i dont care. at this point a lot of people are still iffy about this game and the best way to ensure longevity is to promote teaming, get the unfleeted in fleets, get them skilled up w/some real experience.

you want better players and a better community? make them. there are plenty out there waiting that have the potential.
Well said. There's no need to be bothering people that are already in a fleet. If they decide to look for another, and what you're offering is something they're interested in, they'll find your fleet via these recruitment forums or by playing with you or your members in-game.

As for the other issue of people polluting zone chats with recruitment spam, I report them every time I see it. They've provided for fleet recruitment here, there's no need to be spamming everyone in-game with that stuff. I personally think that kind of thing is more about the person being a little attention wh.. umm ..

"Oh look at me! I started a fleet! Aren't I special?":rolleyes:

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I would debate whether it is spamming. Yes it's a macro, a standard message but spamming has a certain frequent quality to it. Tasteful recruitment messages are not spammed and as we have already outlined serve to build awareness amongst the non-forum visiting portion of the community. I do not doubt that there are players out there who find the information useful because they simply don't do forums.

I have some sympathy for your annoyance but you can turn public channels off if you feel they are too spam ridden for your liking. Your distaste for the method of recruitment doesn't invalidate it and I suspect your efforts to create a taboo within the community around it will fail.

Further, to suggest that they are purely used by individuals to, if you'll pardon the expression, e-peen underestimates their usefulness.

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Your distaste for the method of recruitment doesn't invalidate it and I suspect your efforts to create a taboo within the community around it will fail.

Atop that, when you use the "Report Spam" feature in such an assenine, irresponsible manner, all you're really doing is making that feature useless. In other games, when you abuse that feature, they get around to telling you to knock it the eff off or they'll ban you. Hopefully, Cryptic will start getting around to people like you, soon.

The "Report Spam" feature is to report people who are spamming chat with great frequency, not for people advertising their fleets and you don't agree with their recruiting methods.

Please, folks, don't abuse the "Report Spam" feature. Use it for EC sellers, powerleveling sites, and people who are actually spamming, as it was intended. Don't be stupid.

Hagon, I seriously have a hard time believing you have anyone left in your fleet at all. In situations like this, *you* should be really grateful only about 15% of the people who play MMOs actually follow their respective forums, because you're making yourself (and by proxy, to a lesser extent your fleet) look like a complete fool.

Good luck in your quest to make recruiting in chat 'taboo' and 'reportable'. You're going to need it.

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Please leave the personal stuff out of this Daede. He annoys me too but there's too much risk involved in getting in one. We don't want to end up the bad guys!

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Please leave the personal stuff out of this Daede. He annoys me too but there's too much risk involved in getting in one. We don't want to end up the bad guys!

Fair enough...but WOW man, REALLY?!?

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Fair enough...but WOW man, REALLY?!?

What?Don't wanna go insulting the guy making people sympathise with him!:p

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I have run many guilds in many games now and almost all of them have been highly successful. Poaching is a part of mmo's and something i've always done. Not out of disrespect to the other clan or anything nefarious like that.
The guilds I usually run are top end min max type groups, generally rude and crude humor. To put it short if you find a personality that suits the type of group you have and someone else showed them the ropes it's less training you need to do.

Bok like everyone else will lose someone to poaching. Any guild of a large size will lose a large number of people to poaching. You do not own people and if another fleet has something to offer a person that they find more appealing than your fleet tough luck.

Now the above I have described only applies to one fleet finding one person in particular or a small number of people. If people are simply trying to poach from another guild for the sake of trying to run havoc in another guild/fleets ranks then even as a poacher in past games i find that low......

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lol what a funny thread poaching really more like your fleets not good enough for the player and they got a better offer.

Thats how you build a super fleet by finding the good players from all over and getting them to join other good players. Supply and demand, we need more good players and some of them just jumped in the first fleet that offered until boom a better fleet of players offers them a slot and they want to progress/upgrade.

Its completly up to the player to make that move and poaching in a game is just funny its not like in businesses where it can cost you alot of money. The player chooses to leave and if your fleets not good enough for him then he was always going to leave at some point.

im not a poacher btw and aren't even in a fleet atm, but have to agree that poaching is a completly normal practise in games and there is no contract stopping anyone from doing it. If you want the best superfleet you would need to poach outside the circle a little.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything here they are asking them the question. you should be ****ed off with the player leaving not the person who recruited them.

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I look at it this way, it's a game, play it enjoy it...heck live if you like.
"Poaching" is going to happen.
I don't do it. If some one "poaches" from our fleet, so be it. We couldn't offer them what they wanted.
I don''t even broadcast in game. If some one asks to join a fleet and they seem reasonable enough, I pm them and ask if they are interested. Some stay, some don't join and some leave. Our fleet is relatively small, ad personally I like it that way. Sure it has some disatvantages but from my limited experiences with MMOs, I lke small fleets, guilds, clans and feel I can participate more and have more input into the betterment of said groups.
Tonight I started talking to a Fed fleet and we are working on doing some teamed PvP, waaay better than a majority of PUGs.
Their fleet is pretty big and ours is small but if we can get something working or and uneasy alliance with other of our bretheren, that would make for our own extra content, knowing your foes, their skills and abilities and working on a team to outwit the other sounds like a ton of fun for me...
OOOOps was trailing off topic.
With that being said, let the poachers poach, the larger fleets can afford to have folks come and go, heck our small fleet can too, we can always replace the lost souls and build our ranks as the days go by.

All hail Lords of War! (heh, has to throw in a quick poaching plug.....)
Glory to the Empire!!

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There's nothing being said about members leaving on their own.

The topic is people actively trying to recruit members of other fleets. It's a classless act on the part of the person trying to poach, not to mention generally annoying to most fleet members having to get these tells.

Get your members on the merits of your fleet. If people from other fleets are interested in what you have to offer they will apply on their own. If people aren't interested and no one is applying, then maybe you have a problem that poaching members from other fleets isn't going to address. We don't need to try and entice people away from each other's fleets. That's just shameful, not to mention very immature behaviour.



Indeed,

It is a never ending cycle in MMO games that have guilds.

It doesn't go away, and it is never resolved.

Kinda makes you think that Klingons act this way on a normal basis.

Maybe you should come to the Federation side Hagon. :D

We don't act this way, and we have cookies!

*Waves cookie at Hagon*

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I know one thing you can trust some fleets, when you start a small one off the other bigger fleetsstart poaching your members. It's a nasty thing to do, to lure away people you've made friends with, with promises of high end items that are normally bound anyway.

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Okay - I may be about to make myself unpopular here...

<donning flame-proof undies>

Will I actively seek to poach people with promises of goodies, or other bribery ? Nope.

Will I hesitate to let another person who was a good PUGger know if he would be interested in our fleet, that we would love to see him/her apply ? Not for a single solitary second. I have done/will continue to do this.

Now, if they choose to come over, great. If not, then I let them know to look me up in their list, if they ever need a hand. If the 'losing' fleet is upset - well - why did the person leave?

Kinda like IRL jobs. Rarely rarely rarely does a person completely and totally happy with all aspect of their career go looking for a job. If they get one dropped in their lap that is for some reason completely awesome, they will either look into it, or lie saying they never looked. (but you know they did)

Would I *HOPE* that they give the old fleet notice before coming to Unrepentant ? Sure...just as you should give a courtesy notice to your old job (even if they totally suck) It is just the right thing to do.

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4 months old = necropost