Anyone else wish they could trade their STO Lifetime for Champions Lifetime now?

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I think I'd consider it. They seem more on track over there at this point. A lot more settled than this game is now or will be in 6 months.

A lot of the Cryptic staff I know and trust across the board seems to be over there.

Between the price hikes and the gametime and everything, I think I'm out around $90 on this game not even taking into account how much I put upfront on lifetime. The Champions community looks downright inviting compared to STO's and the game looks to be more social on the whole. I feel like STO's launch has been botched worse than CO's on the retail distribution side.

Just curious if anybody else feels the same way... or feels the opposite (wish they could trade CO lifetime for STO lifetime)... or thinks I'm crazy for wishing I could switch...?

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You do realise that CO has been boned regarding content, it basically got dumped for STO, its the ******* unwanted IP.

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I think this is like asking if you'd trade e.coli for anthrax.

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You do realise that CO has been boned regarding content, it basically got dumped for STO, its the ******* unwanted IP.

It got its developers back after STO launched and Jack's promised a free adventure pack every other month for the foreseeable future, more content than they developed for CoH yearly.

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I think I'd consider it. They seem more on track over there at this point. A lot more settled than this game is now or will be in 6 months.

A lot of the Cryptic staff I know and trust across the board seems to be over there.

Between the price hikes and the gametime and everything, I think I'm out around $90 on this game not even taking into account how much I put upfront on lifetime. The Champions community looks downright inviting compared to STO's and the game looks to be more social on the whole. I feel like STO's launch has been botched worse than CO's on the retail distribution side.

Just curious if anybody else feels the same way... or feels the opposite (wish they could trade CO lifetime for STO lifetime)... or thinks I'm crazy for wishing I could switch...?

Well, apparently you can get a refund on STO lifetime. I don't see why anyone wouldn't go for it at this point.

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It got its developers back after STO launched and Jack's promised a free adventure pack every other month for the foreseeable future, more content than they developed for CoH yearly.

It's only free after they tried to charge for that crap, I'm sorry, but ditching an MMO for its first six months in order to accomidate another MMO, which is also lacking knowing that a third MMO is in development would not inspire me with hope for the future and quality content.

Ain't worth the fees...

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You do realise that CO has been boned regarding content, it basically got dumped for STO, its the ******* unwanted IP.

Revelations! (http://www.champions-online.com/revelation) Free Content Update is coming mid March!

And no. I already have a Lifetime sub for both, but even if I didn't I would not abandon the ship before it even gets out into open waters.

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Good grief no.

Until STO open beta I hadn't planned on buying STO at all, mainly due to what Cryptic did with Champions Online. I don't like the CO graphics, I don't like the open world mission format, and there isn't enough content for me. (Yes, the content here is pretty light, but I can fill in any gaps with exploration missions. And although the exploration missions could always use some improvements, I like them.)

Strangely enough, I bought my STO lifetime after trying the game out in open beta, and becoming satisfied that I could easily play the game even as it currently stands for at least a couple years.

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Revelations! (http://www.champions-online.com/revelation) Free Content Update is coming mid March!

And no. I already have a Lifetime sub for both, but even if I didn't I would not abandon the ship before it even gets out into open waters.

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Likewise. Revelations looks pretty cool.

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Well as someone who got the Champions Lifetime in order to get the Mirror Universe Uniforms for STO...well let me just say the grass always looks greener on the other side. Personally, I'm not feeling the value right now.

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Revelations! (http://www.champions-online.com/revelation) Free Content Update is coming mid March!

And no. I already have a Lifetime sub for both, but even if I didn't I would not abandon the ship before it even gets out into open waters.

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I was a staunch defender of Cryptari on a lot of stuff. I don't even mind the sparse content as it's more than enough for me at my pace.

But I feel jacked out of $60+ by this whole thing. If you have any tips for how you stay cheerful, please share. I'm really tempted to call customer service Monday.

I like Jack Emmert and the CoH devs who left after the split with Paragon. I LIKE the C-Store. But I'm getting really antsy about this game and the marketing tactics.

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It got its developers back after STO launched and Jack's promised a free adventure pack every other month for the foreseeable future, more content than they developed for CoH yearly.

Jack also promised an issue every other month when COH first launched. Later the promise became one every 3 monthes, and then eventually 2 a year...

Take what Jack says with a grain of salt. Really though, as it is, STO has seen more post-release support (in my opinion, sorry those holiday events were more than annoying :) than CO has. That prolly will change depending on the comparison between Revelation and Cool Sounding Marketing Name content wise.

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I was a staunch defender of Cryptari on a lot of stuff. I don't even mind the sparse content as it's more than enough for me at my pace.

But I feel jacked out of $60+ by this whole thing. If you have any tips for how you stay cheerful, please share. I'm really tempted to call customer service Monday.

I like Jack Emmert and the CoH devs who left after the split with Paragon. I LIKE the C-Store. But I'm getting really antsy about this game and the marketing tactics.

I think the difference is Atari are doing the marketing.

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I was a staunch defender of Cryptari on a lot of stuff. I don't even mind the sparse content as it's more than enough for me at my pace.

But I feel jacked out of $60+ by this whole thing. If you have any tips for how you stay cheerful, please share. I'm really tempted to call customer service Monday.

I like Jack Emmert and the CoH devs who left after the split with Paragon. I LIKE the C-Store. But I'm getting really antsy about this game and the marketing tactics.

I just think of it this way; What Cryptic has released is the foundation for the future of the game. As far as a foundation goes STO has a pretty damn good one. I can see a lot of develop-ability because of this. The future looks brighter when you look at it like that.

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I think I'd consider it. They seem more on track over there at this point. A lot more settled than this game is now or will be in 6 months.

That's an illusion. Their newest patch is ... S.O.P. for them (broken, and tons of stealth changes). Their melee rebalancing is ... going to be ... nerd-raged about.

Their dev team lacks any real solid direction in terms of power balance and layout of the power systems. So while they can't even get archery on track (3 times they've made major changes to the powerset and all three times they've messed it up), they're now putting in a brand new tier of powers.

Oh and that tier goes against their previous design direction.

They can't seem to get on the same page or flying in the right direction with all of their staff.

And you think memory alpha is borked in terms of crafting? Try champions crafting!

They're definitely not on track over in Millennium City. They're trying. But as has been the case since launch day when everything got nerfed ... they're continually failing.

Feel free to give Champs a try. Give it a spin and see for yourself. The grass is always greener and all that. But nothing I've read from Champions has suggested the game has made any strides in the right direction. Vibora Bay, free or not, isn't going to help the game.

A lot of the Cryptic staff I know and trust across the board seems to be over there.

Ame and Positron are still using numbers that in thel long run make the game less and less fun with each new patch. I trust them to keep to this path. If you mean Stormshade and Jackalope, well, they're both linked to both games. Get past the PR and get to the numbers people and that's where you see what's really going wrong with that game.

The Champions community looks downright inviting compared to STO's and the game looks to be more social on the whole.

The forums are the most active part of the game. The population took huge hits between October and January. It's not a very social game in-game. It's too easy to solo and there's not enough worthwhile content that groups need to do. And there's no end-game. Sound familiar? At least in Star Trek, the player base is much larger.

I feel like STO's launch has been botched worse than CO's on the retail distribution side.

Champs killed itself on launch day. As bad as you think some of the STO decisions have been, STO didn't radically alter its entire XP system and nerf all of its powers on Launch Day.

Just curious if anybody else feels the same way... or feels the opposite (wish they could trade CO lifetime for STO lifetime)... or thinks I'm crazy for wishing I could switch...?

I feel the opposite. I left Champs after trying for months to help the game and test it and make it work better. If I had to choose which game to get a lifetime sub to, I'd choose this one.

Reasons being:

1- More players. Star Trek will simply have a larger player base no matter what. That makes the game more social overall.

2- Better direction for the game development. I am through trying to talk reason to the people making power decisions at Champions. Their math doesn't work. It's been proven time and time again.

3- Easier to balance. 3 classes. 3 ships. No matter how horrible balance is, it's still easier to achieve in this game than that one.

4- The complete disrespect Chronomancer gave the players on test server. A recent state of the game post basically blamed the game's horible bugs on the players on test server. Which is the height of rudeness. The people who were dedicated testers gave a lot of great information. It's not the testers' fault that Crytpic set up the test server wrong. And made it impossible to get fixes into the patch before they pushed things live. They're the ones that kept rushing broken content live. Even after the testers bug reported it all.

5- Gameplay. A lot of people say the game plays the same, because it uses the same engine. But it doesn't really do that. The gameplay here is a bit more engaging. Especially as you get higher level. In this game as you level up you add more "buttons" to push, and add more strategy. In that game as you level up you find your attack chain, or your spam button, and it gets simpler and more boring, with less tactics. (See below commentary on Gigabolt).

6- Content issues. I know it seems to suck that content is repetitive (but all MMO's have repetitive content). And that there's no end-game content. But they've made promises about this game that are light years ahead of Champions. As with their previous Super Hero MMO, Cryptic really treats Champions like a "get level cap, make an alt" MMO in terms of what to do when you reach the end of the game. Not so in Star Trek. There's not enough slots to do that in Trek. And they're talking about raid-isodes. They are dedicated, in their own weird way, to at least trying to make end-game here. Not in Champions. Their "expansion" expands 4 levels that already exist in the game. Champs has much worse content issues than Star Trek.

7- Too easy to play. You think Trek is easy to level cap? Oh god. Try Champions. GIve it a whirl. My suggestion, make an electricity or force user. Once you get Gigabolt or Force Cascade, the game is over in terms of difficulty. You think space bar spamming is the height of boredom? You've not levelled a gigabolt spammer in Champions.

8- Loot. In this game the loot kind of matters. Much moreso than in Champions. There are two items you need to get at around level 27. And that's it. Game over in terms of loot chase.

9- The lack of polish. I put this together in a sort of lump. The voice acting in Champs is painful to your ears. As is the fact that every single mission title or text is a pun or pop culture reference. Almost none of the game's content plays it straight. Even for a comic book. When I was playing it, I was ok with it. But now having seen that Cryptic can play it straight in terms of mission content/text/story/titles and hire quality voice actors like Leonard Nimoy ... there's no going back for me.

10- PVP dictating PVE changes. That right there is the absolute worst thing I ever saw their development team do. And they lied about doing it. It fractures their development direction. And the lack of forthcoming from them really turned me off. Not the changes themselves. Just the way the development team handled them. They spend more time "reacting" rather "acting."

Don't believe me? Feel free to try the game for yourself. It's a fun game with dynamic combat. But it gets far too old far too fast and as the game evolves it's evolving in a split/confusing/annoying direction that none of the developers themselves seem to be able to agree on.

Sure Star Trek has problems. But it's fare more healthy right now than Champions is.

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Well as someone who got the Champions Lifetime in order to get the Mirror Universe Uniforms for STO...well let me just say the grass always looks greener on the other side. Personally, I'm not feeling the value right now.

I too purchased CO Lifetime and wish that I could get a refund. The MU Outfit was the deciding factor for me to buy the Lifetime Sub. Getting screwed by Cryptic and their lies was not part of the terms of contract we had agreed on and paid for. Still waiting for the Female MU and a complete Male MU outfit. After 3 1/2 weeks we finally learn the female version isn't even made yet and will be months away. Way to False Advertise something that was supposed to be in-game on lauch day.

Currently I very rarely play CO and STO was the game I wanted to be playing, but since it's such a mess, there's no point in sticking around here either.

STO Account: Cancelled 3/1/10
STO Account renewed: Probably never

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Well, apparently you can get a refund on STO lifetime.

You can't in Champions Online.

That alone should tell you something.

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It got its developers back after STO launched

According to the Champions staff, they never lost any of their "developers" to Star Trek. It's what they told their fanbase and players the entire time. The state of both games during the open beta of star trek would tend to tell a different tale. But devs never lie right?

and Jack's promised a free adventure pack every other month for the foreseeable future, more content than they developed for CoH yearly.

They haven't put out a single update for the game the entire time its been live. They've done two holiday events.

Depending on who you listen to, Vibora Bay/Revelations was their first major content update, that they've been working on since the game launched in September of last year.

And Revelations is actually quite tiny. It's 4 levels of content. Not even new levels. It's an adventure pack, the kind that they're now going to be able to put out every other month? Not that dev team.

But Cryptic Execs never lie right?

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You can't in Champions Online.

That alone should tell you something.

Negative on both counts. Both games gave out 'courtesy' refunds on lifetime within 30 days of purchase. Yes, even Champions. But too late on both games now.

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I think I'd consider it. They seem more on track over there at this point. A lot more settled than this game is now or will be in 6 months.

A lot of the Cryptic staff I know and trust across the board seems to be over there.

Between the price hikes and the gametime and everything, I think I'm out around $90 on this game not even taking into account how much I put upfront on lifetime. The Champions community looks downright inviting compared to STO's and the game looks to be more social on the whole. I feel like STO's launch has been botched worse than CO's on the retail distribution side.

Just curious if anybody else feels the same way... or feels the opposite (wish they could trade CO lifetime for STO lifetime)... or thinks I'm crazy for wishing I could switch...?

trying to avoid correcting so much of the misinformation in the rest of the thread...

Right now, due to the "vibora bay" incident cryptic have jumped to panic stations on CO. they're working to try and rebuild the bridges that were burned over there. its why Jackalope posts more there than here at the moment, Stormshade was pulled back to CO as a familiar face to the CO players in light of the "leaving" of daeke, the former customer rep who was well known on the boards there. also stormy is a damn good customer rep so they'd want to throw their best at calming down the angry playerbase.

there's so much more i'd like to get into, but this isnt the CO boards, (or the "i hate cryptic" boards) its the STO boards, so i'll keep it to that.

the community here are outlandishly hostile this week for two reasons.
1 - for many its the last week before the free days run out, the boot is being put in (admitted by a few, some of whom are banned now) before the chance to do so has gone.
2 - anger over the events of the weekend, which is being directed at cryptic instead of atari.

fair few of the people listed under reason one there are taking advantage of reason two in order to stir up more anger, for some reason that i dont understand.

given that CO was "doomed to fail in 3 months" yet, going by its forums people are coming back in anticipation of "Revelations" and are enjoying the changes they've seen in reasonable numbers the game seems to be doing fairly ok. i'll admit i've not logged in over there in a few weeks >_> been busy with STO.

its a question of do you have faith in the game, the devs and the company... and thats something only you can answer

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I find it curious when people talk about what STO is promising vs. what CO has delivered.

Um.

Until there's a proven track record of content coming out, why believe any of it?

I certainly believe they INTEND to release material, but...

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Heck no, I'm done with Cryptic non-sense.

Fool me once, shame on you. I bought into the CO hype thinking it would be a good game. It wasn't.

Fool me twice, shame on me. I bought into the STO hype, I mean how could they possibly screw up Star Trek? The game is so stupidly easy it honestly should be released as a single player game. The core elements of what made star trek, star trek are completely lost in the missions. And don't give me it's WAR crap, it's just crap. Plus, no end game? I don't care what the excuse was/is. If a single player gets to max level in 1 week and has payed for the game the developers should have something there for them to do. This 45 day patch nonsense is ********.

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I have a Champions Lifetime and I'm definitely more content on that side than here.

Here, when I get forced into a group, no one - NO ONE - talks. Not a 'hiyas', not a "hey' lets get them." It's a sucking void interspersed only with me saying things like 'Hey, that went well' and being answered by crickets and maybe a 6th dimesional tumbleweed rollng by.

Over on CO, appearantly non-casual means "capable of basic social niceties like chatting while waiting for a que to advance." If this is an MMO for casual player and that means grossly anti-social and willing totolerate play complexity directly comparable to Tetris Online, then I want no part of it. Who knew I was so 'leet that I can't hang with the casuals? I sure didn't.

The new CO expansion is about on par with what I expected - really bad comic book writing and enough variety of stuff to do I'd have cheerfully paid them $5 bucks to get it if they had asked.

They have plenty of issues, and those are getting solved at speeds that make glacial advance and retreat seem a little dizzying, but I think I will eventually break-even emotionally on my initial investment. Its not money well spent yet, but it will be.

I only picked up this game because I saw some screen caps of the Mirror Univers uniforms on a female NPC and thought "hey, I've got access to those from my CO lifetime package. It's be a shame not to try them out."

Imagine my surprise when a month after launch I still havent seen delivery of the feature that convinced me to buy into the game. A feature specifically advertised as available at launch.