Note to Feds, try to level a klingon yourself

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I just posted in a topic on the shipyard - bird of prey forums that was calling for their universal slots to be removed. I felt the issue raised a seperate topic that was worth stating boldly here.

Klingons get very little - Dont try to take anything from them unless you have levelled one yourself.

The players who only have fed characters really have a limited appreciation of just how limited and uninteresting the options are for enjoying levelling a Klingon. Before anyone even comes to talk on issues such as klingon ships, you really need to get in one and thoroughly playtest it. Likewise, you really must see what a struggle it is to level on the klingon side at all.

I have a rear admiral 5 and am about to get my first level of Brigadier General. Personally i would recommend that everyone gets a character to top rank on both sides, just to get a proper persepctive on the game. If you cant do that, though, at the very least get a klingon to tier 2, which doesnt take long at all.

The only posts that should appear on these boards are posts suggesting ways to help klingon players level or ways to give them more options, such as ships....if you take anything away from them, they may as well be removed from the game entirely.

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Well said.

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I am a Rear Admiral Fed. I am also a Klingon Commander and I love my BOP, the universal BO slots is what attracted me to it, along with its turn speed and how cool the t5 BOP looks.

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I am a Rear Admiral Fed. I am also a Klingon Commander and I love my BOP, the universal BO slots is what attracted me to it, along with its turn speed and how cool the t5 BOP looks.

New T5 BoP variant - http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af319/scifiwiccan/Bop.jpg

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New T5 BoP variant - http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af319/scifiwiccan/Bop.jpg

ugly as sin, looks like a winged platypus

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So far having played both sides ,the only thing the Klingons need are players!LOL!I hear its pretty lopsided in the federations favour at admiral.Going to have to change that.

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I just posted in a topic on the shipyard - bird of prey forums that was calling for their universal slots to be removed. I felt the issue raised a seperate topic that was worth stating boldly here.

Klingons get very little - Dont try to take anything from them unless you have levelled one yourself.

The players who only have fed characters really have a limited appreciation of just how limited and uninteresting the options are for enjoying levelling a Klingon. Before anyone even comes to talk on issues such as klingon ships, you really need to get in one and thoroughly playtest it. Likewise, you really must see what a struggle it is to level on the klingon side at all.

I have a rear admiral 5 and am about to get my first level of Brigadier General. Personally i would recommend that everyone gets a character to top rank on both sides, just to get a proper persepctive on the game. If you cant do that, though, at the very least get a klingon to tier 2, which doesnt take long at all.

The only posts that should appear on these boards are posts suggesting ways to help klingon players level or ways to give them more options, such as ships....if you take anything away from them, they may as well be removed from the game entirely.

Absolutely. Very well said.

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I'll be leveling a Klingon. If anyone wants to take me under their wing and teach me the ropes I'll listen.

As far as people wanting stuff nerfed, taken away....... I say no.

As far as the universal slots, maybe give those to the federation side as well? Just a suggstion, might make for some interresting PVP.

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Anyone notice the march 05, 2010 "NEWS" on the login for STO?

It says: "Klingon and Federation players who have reached Rear Admiral 5 now have access . . ."

Klingons reach Rear Admiral? What happened to Brigadier General?


I know, it's just Cryptic showing once again that Klingons are beneath their contempt. The total lack of respect is getting on my nerves.

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Thankyou for the positive replies thus far. I will freely admit that i made my post in a fit of frustration, but i felt it had to be said.

I came from ******** and i have come to really hate nerf calls. I have several classes there and all have, at one time or other, been overnerfed, clumsily changed by devs or otherwise damaged in the name of balance. I have often tried telling players to think that one day, the nerf bat will come for them, but still they encourage devs to nerf others.

I have seen a worrying trend coming here, it comes in these forms.

1. Something is effective, or powerful, this calls for nerf responses.
2. Something is different or new, this calls for nerf responses.
3. Something requires a ship to use counters or to reduce dps by using a choice of attacks (eg, AOE)....nerf calls etc.

I can, however, understand these responses. However, the one that really concerns me is this one.

4. A Klingon did it, so it has to be taken away or stopped.

In a game like ********, for example, there are two large, effectively equal factions. In STO, this is radically far from being the case, to the point where one side is already dieing out.

It frustrated me no end that there are people not appreciating that any more damage to the Klingon side and there will be no klingons left and no pvp at all

It seems that anything cool the Klingons have, like carriers, is fair game to be attacked and that really frightens me. This is why i urge players calling for nerfs or even players thinking the Klingons are equal in terms of gameplay, to try one for themselves before they make posts on these forums.

We are battered enough as it is without having to defend ourselves here.

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Thankyou for the positive replies thus far. I will freely admit that i made my post in a fit of frustration, but i felt it had to be said.

I came from ******** and i have come to really hate nerf calls. I have several classes there and all have, at one time or other, been overnerfed, clumsily changed by devs or otherwise damaged in the name of balance. I have often tried telling players to think that one day, the nerf bat will come for them, but still they encourage devs to nerf others.

I have seen a worrying trend coming here, it comes in these forms.

1. Something is effective, or powerful, this calls for nerf responses.
2. Something is different or new, this calls for nerf responses.
3. Something requires a ship to use counters or to reduce dps by using a choice of attacks (eg, AOE)....nerf calls etc.

I can, however, understand these responses. However, the one that really concerns me is this one.

4. A Klingon did it, so it has to be taken away or stopped.

In a game like ********, for example, there are two large, effectively equal factions. In STO, this is radically far from being the case, to the point where one side is already dieing out.

It frustrated me no end that there are people not appreciating that any more damage to the Klingon side and there will be no klingons left and no pvp at all

It seems that anything cool the Klingons have, like carriers, is fair game to be attacked and that really frightens me. This is why i urge players calling for nerfs or even players thinking the Klingons are equal in terms of gameplay, to try one for themselves before they make posts on these forums.

We are battered enough as it is without having to defend ourselves here.
There are no classes here.

Your wow buddies are all trying to ruin what is good and right with this game..

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Ummmm.... "Note to Feds, try to level a klingon yourself....

No.

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Ummmm.... "Note to Feds, try to level a klingon yourself....

No.

You should try it, then maybe you'll become better at pvp. As to get to BG5 you will probably have about 40 hours pvp experience under your belt.

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You should try it, then maybe you'll become better at pvp. As to get to BG5 you will probably have about 40 hours pvp experience under your belt.

Ah, this post assumes that I need to get better at pvp... which I don't. I hate exploration, and when I don't have story advancing quests, I play pvp. Albeit, not as much pvp as klinks have to, but more than your average Fed as evidenced by me being at the top of the Fed stack for damage/healing after almost every game.

My flat response was addressing the OP's thread title. And that was... No. Meaning I don't have to level a klink to gain some sort of appreciation for how hard you have it, and I'm not calling for a klink nerf. I just said... no.

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Ummmm.... "Note to Feds, try to level a klingon yourself....

No.

Fine by me, song long as you dont feel the need to start suggestion changes to klingon gameplay. I just feel that its not possible to understand what a klingon player goes through until you actually become one.

I also feel that PvP supporters should do their bit to promote pvp by making Klingons and helping the faction develop. As it is too many fed players expect klingons to provide them with pvp *and* to endure a remarkably frustrating levelling up process to do it.

Before i made my Klingon, i was on my RA 5 and i looked at the pvp queue, i saw this.

Space Salvage Large PvP Map - Players in Queue:

Federation 262 - Klingon 4

I could just queue with my RA 5 and magically hope it got better *or* i could roll and level a Klingon, to boost that lower number and to help the struggling faction. That is what i did and i call on all Fed pvp fans to do the same. You need to work to make pvp in this game happen and that means rolling Klink characters.

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Though I do not play PvP, the advice is sound - if I was to do PvP I'd play both sides to learn the strengths / weaknesses of each side... :)

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Feds want PvP...gonna have to encourgae Cryptic to make Klingons more fun more attractive to play.

First thing, flesh them out. They need to have just as much PvE content as Feds.

Crippling to Klingons.

PvP mostly only is what they have. Are thier actuall exploration missions? Yes if your level 53.. did Iget that right?

Equiping ships.

Hey buddy, got a spare E-Cred?

See all that fancy equipment and weps on the AH... where ya think they come from? FED Players... oh.. didn't notice that? Oh yes.. fed get some very cool gear early on as PvE rewards. (I forget what it was called but its this Mk V ship shield with about close to 8k strength. I didn't even take it off my fed players ship till i got the toon to using Mk VIII level gear.. Bunch of other stuff like that.)

So let the jury be in.

People who are playing Klingon are doing it because they WANT to play klingon. Not because its fun, or even particularly easy.

Thats why the members of KBF play klingon. We've been Klingon players since 1999 when the game Star Fleet Command came out. 8 Years. We're used to a bit more challenging tactical game play that wasn't dependent apon some "magic gear" We know what WE want. So ok, we got trek in MMO land now. The tactical game play is ok... but if we gotta do this just to be feddy target practice?
It would be one thing if the sides were equal but different in capability but they are not. It is a major advantage to the fed player being able to mine PvE gear, and pick up gear for exploration badges, and get gear from PvP badges... AND craft gear.
(though I haven't explored that all that much and not sure if its worth the bother except when I have nothing better to do Please NOTE that Klingons don't have a Memory Alpha)

Of course there is PvP badges for the Klingon. And you get 'em for just showing up... You get more if you win. If you can win. Big IF.

Of course there not alot of Klingons.. see above for reason. I do know this. No matter what they give to the Fed Players, other player races are needed for this game to take off. I consider the game to have been realeased far to early. Bugs, if they are fixed in a timely manner players can live with.

Play balance is not the question. Without a balance between player opportunities you'll never have it. Right now STO does not have this. More content.. No. Balanced level of content yes.

TO THE DEVS: Finish the Klingons FIRST! Then give us more content.

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Please get over to Tribble and test out the new changes and content and have a voice.

Good post.

I think it is funny that the Feds have zeroed in on the BOP as the ship of doom.

I was actually thinking about trying the Raptor as I rarely ever cloak. News at 11.

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Sometimes, I think I should have been a Klingon. (or more of a Klingon, I love my Fed account, my ship, my toon, everything, it's all set up perfectly for me)

I LOVE pvp, everything I currently have equipment-wise (except my tribble) is from pvp marks. I have never done a defend the sector block quest and I do believe I've done less than three "patrol" quests. I simply pvp, been pvping since t2.

I don't think Klingons are overpowered, throw me a Carrier, I'll smite it.

Cloak and come behind me BOP, I'll be ready to tractor you and jam your sensors, turn around and smite you too right down the torpedo tube!

Throw me not one, but TWO klingon cruisers, I'll tank them and destroy them as I did earlier today in pvp in the briar patch. Poor cruisers could barely get through the shields of an escort and when they did, I have a hull resistance ABOVE 40%.

I have done over 450,000 damage in a pvp match. Without. Dying.

I have been a part of 15 to 0 wins against pre-teamed klingons.

I may not be a Klingon, but in my heart and in my experiences, I might as well be a Klingon. I'm a pvp veteran on the Fed side! Love ground pvp too.


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I love my ship
Carrier are not op
Cloak is a viable strategy and not op
gloaty gloat gloat about how klings are not op
Identity crisis!?!?!?!

???????

brb gonna go make the perfect kling

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You are a bit light on the epeen. I don't think you are quite ready to be a Klink. You keep trying and we will let you know.....Don't call us, we will call you kinda thing.

:)

Tongue in cheek Mr. Moderator.

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Sometimes, I think I should have been a Klingon. (or more of a Klingon, I love my Fed account, my ship, my toon, everything, it's all set up perfectly for me)

I LOVE pvp, everything I currently have equipment-wise (except my tribble) is from pvp marks. I have never done a defend the sector block quest and I do believe I've done less than three "patrol" quests. I simply pvp, been pvping since t2.

I don't think Klingons are overpowered, throw me a Carrier, I'll smite it.

Cloak and come behind me BOP, I'll be ready to tractor you and jam your sensors, turn around and smite you too right down the torpedo tube!

Throw me not one, but TWO klingon cruisers, I'll tank them and destroy them as I did earlier today in pvp in the briar patch. Poor cruisers could barely get through the shields of an escort and when they did, I have a hull resistance ABOVE 40%.

I have done over 450,000 damage in a pvp match. Without. Dying.

I have been a part of 15 to 0 wins against pre-teamed klingons.

I may not be a Klingon, but in my heart and in my experiences, I might as well be a Klingon. I'm a pvp veteran on the Fed side! Love ground pvp too.


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I love my ship
Carrier are not op
Cloak is a viable strategy and not op
gloaty gloat gloat about how klings are not op
Identity crisis!?!?!?!

???????

brb gonna go make the perfect kling

I'll challenge you to a one versus one. I do not want to float my boat, but i know i will annihilate you.

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I'll challenge you to a one versus one. I do not want to float my boat, but i know i will annihilate you.

I would love a duel feature also (a private instance).

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PVP does not interest me in the slightest.
I did want to be a Klingon, and then I heard how thin their PvE content was, and how it was almost always PVP, to level. Which puts them leagues behind the federation.
It is my hope that they will get a more balanced approach in the near future.
To level without having to PVP each and every time.
To be able to do rewarding missions and content like their federation counterpart.
Until then, I will wait to make my Klingon.

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Why not trei a holiday on Qo'nos this year?

See the loveli lakes

The wonderful telephone system

And mani interesting furry animals

Including the majestik Bird of Prei

A Bird of Prei once bit my sister...

No realli! She was Karving her initials on the Bird of Prei with the sharpened end of her interspace toothbrush given to here by S'venge - her brother-in-law -an Orion dentist and star of many Klingon operas "The Hot Hands of an Orion Dentist", "Filings of Passion", "The Huge Molars of Kahless"...

Mynd you, Bird of Prei bites Kan be pretti nasti...

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Why not trei a holiday on Qo'nos this year?

See the loveli lakes

The wonderful telephone system

And mani interesting furry animals

Including the majestik Bird of Prei

A Bird of Prei once bit my sister...

No realli! She was Karving her initials on the Bird of Prei with the sharpened end of her interspace toothbrush given to here by S'venge - her brother-in-law -an Orion dentist and star of many Klingon operas "The Hot Hands of an Orion Dentist", "Filings of Passion", "The Huge Molars of Kahless"...

Mynd you, Bird of Prei bites Kan be pretti nasti...


Priceless...utterly priceless....someone give that OUTSTANDING individual a bottle of the houses best!
:)

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Well I have been reading these posts and many similar ones all about nerfing Klinks etc.

There IS a lot to be said about understanding all of ones abilities both used and potential. I dont believe Feds use or totally understand (I am reffering to the average not the whole) their abilities and how to custom design them to use against the klinks. Thats why we get so many BO's. You can only assign so many at once, perhaps to have others on hand to use JUST to fight and counter the most common klink tactics? Hmm? Maybe??
I have a Commander in the Klingon Empire. Waiting for more content to go any further. These little patches I am seeing are less than encouraging. CRYPTIC..I warn you...get this right. If there is not SERIOUS and EXPANSIVE Klingon PVE content, the Klingons will die as a viable faction, and I honestly think so will the game sometime afterwards. Quit working on meaningless "little" things that really can be fixed later and push out some serious Klingon PVE content.
I mean I have both Klink and Fed. I play my fed for PVE though I do have an alt for pvp though hes still low tier.
Advice for Feds. Study what the Klinks do, look and watch their abilities. Abilities DO exist on the Fed side to counter most of them or at the very least reduce their effectiveness. HINT: these are NOT the same abilities we run around using 90% of the time in PVE.
Escorts: Gotta love them, but dont use them like Rhino's chargind down the throats of the prey. The prey have large sharp teeth and fangs. Use them like the BOPS. Use your maneuverability, speed AND abilities.
I was trying out my Escort the other day in pvp (I normally am a cruiser man in pve, and was using the same tactics I used in a BOP (minus the cloaking) and was doing just fine. Play as a team, Extend shields is a wonderfull thing, especially when used back to back from team mates. Klinks generally wont go for the cruisers when there are Escorts and Science ships about. Well they dont tend to most of the time. Cruisers can be extending left and right. Now I don't know what the other guy uses but honestly I love being an engineer, and thats what pilots my escort. My team mate (it was a PUG) was joyfully surprised when I used extend shields on him lol. We get all kinds of offensive abilities as an engineer. They arent just for breakfast anymore.

There is a lot of merit to the argument that a kling spends 90% of his time in pvp - all he has - and thus is far more experienced in pvp. So would any fed who spent all his time thus. The kling doesnt use any abilities that arent pvp related. The kling HAS to study all the abilities of the feds and thoroughly understand them and then study his own to use against them. I don't really think the feds do this as it isnt needed as the AVERAGE fed spends most of their time in pve.
Bottom line: Klingons do NOT need to be nerfed and yes any further nerf to them without the expansive pve content the feds currently enjoy simply will spell doom to their already dwindling population.

CRYPTIC:
1)Please do not heed those who want to be competitive and on equal footing simply by mashing their space bars.
2) Give the Klingons the PVE content they need..as expansive, rich and detailed as the feds. Do this and people will flock to the trefoil banner, and then we WILL have a faction vs faction game.
3) DO NOT make this same no pve content mistake with any new factions.
4) See Number 1 and repeat

Just my 2 EC's

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You are a bit light on the epeen. I don't think you are quite ready to be a Klink. You keep trying and we will let you know.....Don't call us, we will call you kinda thing.

:)

Tongue in cheek Mr. Moderator.

Yeahhh
sorry 'bout that, mighta got carried away. /embarrassed
Went on one of those late night rants again, gotta do something about that!
I apologize, I didn't mean to really "gloat" and put it in the tldr to be humorous. It just makes me angry when I'm near K7 and about all you hear is "lol carriers are overpowered" "rofl, feds never win" "lulz klingaozn nedz nerfz" "haz an 1 beaten kling in pvp?" "wai bop blow me up?!?!?!"

@Dekkameron: I do believe we may have fought before if the Ship and Player names in your signature are correct :)

@FrostyJones: ..rofl

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New T5 BoP variant - http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af319/scifiwiccan/Bop.jpg

Looks like some one starved perfectly good BoP...its like the Halloween themed, skeleton skin...hmmm, I wonder if you could do a white on black bone scheme on that hull?

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Klingons get very little - Dont try to take anything from them unless you have levelled one yourself.

I have a Klingon (Captain 3) who leveled through space PvP using a Bird-of-Prey almost exclusively.

Universal slots are overpowered.

Not everyone doing PvP in this game is a hardcore partisan for one faction or the other. I play both, I enjoy both, I point out issues with both where I see them.

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You don't understand Mr Saavik.

You..must..learn...why and how things...work..

James T Kirk...

One of the guys all you feddie bears yearn to be...yet most of you will end up being Inept-onetimeshow-plot-device-captain329487234....

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I enjoy both sides.

Klingons got the smelly end of the stick in STO. There should have been a full PvE experiene for Klingons at release.

There should be no changes made to the game just to 'balance' PvP if it in any way effects PvE. Balancing a games PvP at the expense of the PvE has never worked out for the good.

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When do I get my Lightsaber?

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When do I get my Lightsaber?

Sometime in 2011 just before the world ends...;)

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After doing pvp agains feds in kerrat (thanks to lovely bug), i can assure klingons that they DONT want most fed players to be in their mids...

So much QQ.....

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After doing pvp agains feds in kerrat (thanks to lovely bug), i can assure klingons that they DONT want most fed players to be in their mids...

So much QQ.....


You finally realise what we have to put up with ;)

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I don't think Klingons are overpowered, throw me a Carrier, I'll smite it.

Cloak and come behind me BOP, I'll be ready to tractor you and jam your sensors, turn around and smite you too right down the torpedo tube!

Throw me not one, but TWO klingon cruisers, I'll tank them and destroy them as I did earlier today in pvp in the briar patch. Poor cruisers could barely get through the shields of an escort and when they did, I have a hull resistance ABOVE 40%.

I have done over 450,000 damage in a pvp match. Without. Dying.

I have been a part of 15 to 0 wins against pre-teamed klingons.


I wish every fed I came across was more like you. PvP might be more interesting. Sadly Ive never seen a fed hit 100,000 PvPing up to Capt. 5

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You finally realise what we have to put up with ;)

Yeah, i got my fair share of FED QQing on me in past couple of days in Kerrat, but i tell you FvF will be huge fun :p but...no challenge

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Yeah, i got my fair share of FED QQing on me in past couple of days in Kerrat, but i tell you FvF will be huge fun :p but...no challenge

Oh I cannot wait for the QQ from FvF. I think it will need its own forum section specifically for it :)

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Oh I cannot wait for the QQ from FvF. I think it will need its own forum section specifically for it :)

I actualy view FvF as doom for this game, as the "feedback" will be full of emo people, who were killed by "imba" skills, which NEEDs to be NERFED!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously tho, i now understand, why klingons win so easily in most matches. Most Feds have pretty simple builds, with no regards to flexibilty. When 80% escorts shoot on me with nothing else than 3 turrets, because they fly like slug...no wonder they are dying like flies in FvK pvp.

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I have an RA5 on the fed side, I'm at captain 5 on the kling side, and I a bored out of my skull by the Klingon. We nearly always win, and seldom is it close. If I drop one game a night I'm surprised and if more than a few are competitive I'm blown away. There are more than a few times when I don't even have to fire my weapons, I simply fly around healing and recharging shields, and it still doesn't make it any closer. PvP is an absolute joke right now, and it's sad as the only other way to level a Klingon is to do the same nebula mission a thousand times over.

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Oh I cannot wait for the QQ from FvF. I think it will need its own forum section specifically for it :)

I think some kind of implosion will happen when the first FvF battle takes place. When two forces of immense density of suckage will collide creating some kind of wormhole of pure fail that will engulf the arena.

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LOL, no then they will complain the science ships are too OP!

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Imbalance does not excuse lack of content.

Lack of content does not excuse imbalance.

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I just posted in a topic on the shipyard - bird of prey forums that was calling for their universal slots to be removed. I felt the issue raised a seperate topic that was worth stating boldly here.

Klingons get very little - Dont try to take anything from them unless you have levelled one yourself.

The players who only have fed characters really have a limited appreciation of just how limited and uninteresting the options are for enjoying levelling a Klingon. Before anyone even comes to talk on issues such as klingon ships, you really need to get in one and thoroughly playtest it. Likewise, you really must see what a struggle it is to level on the klingon side at all.

I have a rear admiral 5 and am about to get my first level of Brigadier General. Personally i would recommend that everyone gets a character to top rank on both sides, just to get a proper persepctive on the game. If you cant do that, though, at the very least get a klingon to tier 2, which doesnt take long at all.

The only posts that should appear on these boards are posts suggesting ways to help klingon players level or ways to give them more options, such as ships....if you take anything away from them, they may as well be removed from the game entirely.

Good lord, no. I spent two weeks trying to level a Gorn and it made me want to eat the game CD. I feel for you people, I really do, but just the pain of getting to LTC was too much to deal with.

Any Klingon who has made it to BG is going to wipe the floor with a Fed player and deserves respect, because unlike Feds he doesn't have to simply hammer the spacebar or 112112 to get there.

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Before i made my Klingon, i was on my RA 5 and i looked at the pvp queue, i saw this.

Space Salvage Large PvP Map - Players in Queue:

Federation 262 - Klingon 4

I could just queue with my RA 5 and magically hope it got better *or* i could roll and level a Klingon, to boost that lower number and to help the struggling faction. That is what i did and i call on all Fed pvp fans to do the same. You need to work to make pvp in this game happen and that means rolling Klink characters.

Exactly my experiences. This reminds me of WoW circa 2005 when they introduced battlegrounds. The faction imbalances really showed with the majority faction waiting on the minority faction on games. Some players (myself included) rolled minority faction characters to help balance things out a bit, or at the very least have some on-tap PvP. I did the same with STO. I think the majority of Fed players just want to get their 3 games of PvP just for the daily, although I'm sure there are some who want to just PvP but can't due to the long queue times. FvF will be in the next patch to help with that.

I think overall the faction system just doesn't work for a variety of reasons. Population imbalance is the largest problem. Whether it's arena based queue systems or open world PvP, the imbalance causes issues. A better solution would be just simply making a faction a 'flavour' all doing the same things without necessarily pitting each one against another. Canon-wise this would be a better fit as the flow was heading towards everyone becoming allies (even the Romulans were helping defend the alpha quadrant) rather than regressing back to old rivalries.

Currently, leveling a Klingon is very bland. It's no exaggeration to say that it just pure PvP, and from what I understand, it's even slower than it was before with XP nerfs. Your other alternative is to do a repeatable patrol mission. It's similar to the Fed sector patrols except it's the exact same mission. The big patch will help this somewhat with explore missions, so there's at least some variety. But I think story missions will be a ways off for Klingons.

As for crybabies, you'll always get them in any game. I could write a book on it, but suffice to say most of them will one day grow up, realise the world doesn't revolve around them and knuckle down with some L2P. The biggest lesson being learning how to take a defeat with some dignity.

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Klingons have female Orions... that makes up for everything else.

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> Note to Feds, try to level a klingon yourself

I did. I'm RA5 on the Fed side, and rolled a Klingon to see what it's like. After about 3 days of play I made Lt Cmdr. PvP is fun because the Feds at Lt level are mostly clueless. After a while I did feel sorry for them.

Comparing to the Fed progression, however, there is a dearth of loot drops/equipment upgrades. Feds get lots of cool stuff given to them. Other than that drawback, leveling up seems easier on the KDF side, at least versus Fed PvE, so far.

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Not realy... leveling through PvE is much much faster if you are replaying the game. And if you need a break from all the PvP... well then you got two options: Either switch onto your Fed character or exit the game -.-

Since the repeatable PvE Mission is not only boring but also totally inefficient when it comes to xp...

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I am a Rear Admiral Fed. I am also a Klingon Commander and I love my BOP, the universal BO slots is what attracted me to it, along with its turn speed and how cool the t5 BOP looks.

If you think the T5 BoP is cool then you definately need to check out the test server and see the new models that we have for each of the T5 ship - the new BoP reminds me of a very angry vulture :)

Federation players wanting to nerf klingons, you can't really blame them the majority of them are very bad at the game, just look how easy PVE was made for them.

P.S- I’m gonna laugh my ass off when FvF hits and the feds complain about how OP the SCI vessels are :)

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LOL, no then they will complain the science ships are too OP!

I also think people will complain about sci vessels being OP in FvF as a sci/sci it could be entertaining.

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I agree with the original post completely. While lvling my Fed character I had no idea how hard it was, but after playing the last 3 days to get my Klingon up to only LC 5, I appreciate the difficulty of it much more and have respect for those who have made it to BG5.

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Im leveling a klingon as well. First, they don't need any nerfs. Second, they need a tutorial so new players don't have to level up a fed and get hooked. Third, they need some PvE to help take the edge off of continuous PvP grinding. Fourth, The game needs better pvp maps(I am getting so sick of capture and hold and im not even out of t2 yet) and a real neutral zone for open pvp.


Here are some ideas for more exciting pvp matchs

Destroy the Starbase. 10 vs 10. One side defends, other side is attacker. Attacking side can set up long range batteries to pound on the starbase forcing the defenders to deal with these threats and not camp at the base.

Convoy Escort. Protect cargo ships along a long shipping lane. 5 vs 5. The freighters star at one end of the map and take 15mins to reach their destination on the other side. Defense abilities and things like engineering team will work on the freighters so eliminating the escorts is important. if any of the freighters make it, defender wins.

Nebula Madness. Fight just like the finale in Wrath of Kahn. Hard to see and weapons tend to lose lock alot. This is a deathmatch. No respawn. Very Rare U.S.S. Reliant can spawn in the nebula. It hits like a supernova but has low hull/shields. Always drops a very rare loot. Killing blow wins the prize.

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I did. I like my Klingon and my Fed, both of them. And I am still convinced that Klingons have immanent advantages in PVP, including - to an extent - the universal BO slots in the Bird of Prey.
I think Klingons are very well designed and totally in line with the canon. Feds on the other hand might need a little buff.

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BG (Admiral) KDF PvP ship equipment vendor has been bugged since release and does not offer the same blue items Feds receive. Instead, The KDF is offered duplicated items from the Console vendor 20 steps away.


Solution #1:
Grind the same exploration mission over and over to receive the PVE equivalent item in Qo'Nos (no PvP for hours).

Solution #2:
Pad the pockets of FED players by purchasing items they discard or shun since anything of worth is given to an alt or fleet mate. 650k for Common Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons MK X anyone? Interesting that there are multiple "gimme" type blue items FEDS post on the exchange that only KDF would be interested in. I suppose it's subsidized labor...

To summarize:
KDF don't play at T5 because they have one option for exploration marks (v5), no crafting, gimped weapon selection PvP vendor (really:no dual or heavy phaser cannons for anyone on either side?), and under equipped, outnumbered, and are just plain hammered as pugs when any given queue reports 213 v2.

There will continue to be a downward spiral of KDF players if this trend isn't reversed quickly. I myself have already begun playing my RA5 again because there is just nothing to do besides dailies and getting hammered in the mandatory queues with my BG5. On the bright side, I seem to be able to pick up a lot of gear not needed for my RA5 that is mailed to the BG5. I also suspect repecs will make this worse as lot of KDF will go back to correct the mistakes they made with their FED.

I hope I'm wrong...

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You know Cryptic hates Klingons when the game is released with ZERO Klingon content and you get a pvp mission that makes you KILL YOURSELF to complete it.

I have a Fed RA 5 and a Klingon BG 3 and let me say that it was a chore to level. At BG it takes forever to get into a pvp match that has more than 1 or 2 Klingon vs 30 Feds.


Klingons lack
1. Storylines
2. Ship Customization
3. Enjoyment. After weeks of pvp to hit BG, I don't feel like even playing anymore.
4. Nebulas just suck, period. I'd rather have more pvp missions.

I love parts of the game, but lets be truthful here. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE LAUNCHED. It should still be in beta and Cryptic should have had their S*it together before ever putting it on the market. From my understanding 2 or 3 companies put it into FUBAR mode before Cryptic ever got their hands on it, so that should have been an indicator to Cryptic that they NEED to do it right to keep from failing.

The only thing that will fix this game now has the possibility of killing it. And that is an "NGE" style fix massively changing every aspect of the game. It could save it because it could make this game live up to it's full potential. It could kill it if they screw it up or alienate a player base that's grown used to playing a certain way.

Ship BO console slots need major work. At RA and BG I HATE not being able to use all 4 of my BO's skills.

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I did. I like my Klingon and my Fed, both of them. And I am still convinced that Klingons have immanent advantages in PVP, including - to an extent - the universal BO slots in the Bird of Prey.
I think Klingons are very well designed and totally in line with the canon. Feds on the other hand might need a little buff.

Feds don't need a buff - the universal bo's allow klingons to actually create something close to a sci ship and in T2 they can creat a BoP for tanking because everybody knows that escorts are easily defeated with cruisers/science ships. Its a shame that most Feds still think its a good idea to full impulse and start firing on 3 Klingon ships and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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PVP does not interest me in the slightest.
I did want to be a Klingon, and then I heard how thin their PvE content was, and how it was almost always PVP, to level. Which puts them leagues behind the federation.
It is my hope that they will get a more balanced approach in the near future.
To level without having to PVP each and every time.
To be able to do rewarding missions and content like their federation counterpart.
Until then, I will wait to make my Klingon.

That's pretty much my reasons for not going Klingon. I started one, but saw the lack of PVE and haven't played it since. There is absolutely no excuse for the lack of PVE with this faction. Anyone that has watched TNG and DS9 can tell you that this faction has tons of story potential in it. It's usually the most popular race with the fans throughout the history of the show so it maks no sense to not write cool and interesting content for them. How about reliving the battle with Khaless and Molar? What about the Rite of ascension? What about ascending to power thru assasination? Never mind, this post will drag on for too long. In short, Cryptic needs to fix this before they even consider bringing in a new faction.

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In a game like ********, for example, there are two large, effectively equal factions. In STO, this is radically far from being the case, to the point where one side is already dieing out.

It frustrated me no end that there are people not appreciating that any more damage to the Klingon side and there will be no klingons left and no pvp at all

It seems that anything cool the Klingons have, like carriers, is fair game to be attacked and that really frightens me. This is why i urge players calling for nerfs or even players thinking the Klingons are equal in terms of gameplay, to try one for themselves before they make posts on these forums.

We are battered enough as it is without having to defend ourselves here.



This game is brand new. I think it was a mistake to make an all PvP faction. Or to make them level, you guys should just start at max level, have a choice of ships and a starting set of bridge officers and then go out and learn your class.


In a game like WoW both factions are PvE/PvP so you cant compare it to this game. I dont agree with universal slots, especially when a lot of science abilities are insanely overpowered imo.

But i mean I dont pvp so in the end It doesnt really matter to me.

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I'll challenge you to a one versus one. I do not want to float my boat, but i know i will annihilate you.

I want a Carrier one on one.... I think I have the tools to take it.... Scramble Sensors 3... its over....

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I did. I like my Klingon and my Fed, both of them. And I am still convinced that Klingons have immanent advantages in PVP, including - to an extent - the universal BO slots in the Bird of Prey.
I think Klingons are very well designed and totally in line with the canon. Feds on the other hand might need a little buff.

Cannons need some work.. 100% and still getting taken out in 5 or 6 sec from only 2 BoP?

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I want a Carrier one on one.... I think I have the tools to take it.... Scramble Sensors 3... its over....

This implies that fighters are actually the core dps of a carrier. Scramble sensors is not a game winner and a decent carrier will fight happily on its own, without any launched support if needbe.

The fighters are an extra and often a handy finisher, they need not be the primary attack.

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If anything the Feds have the advantage technically, albeit not by much... the only reason Klingon sides tend to win more is that the average Klingon player has done fifty to one hundred times more PvP than the average Fed player, meaning an average Klingon PUG has a better change of having less inexperience people than an average Fed PUG. I have a Klingon BG and a Fed Admiral and between two good teams, it is a dice roll who wins with probably a very slight advantage to the Feds as Science ships make better Science ships than science-configured BoPs and Negh'vars do lousy damage unless some Fed twit obligingly parks himself directly in the frontal arc.

But other than the uncounterable Subnuc ability (which both sides can use), there are no major nerfs required in space combat, just a bit of faction-neutral tweaking here and there (duration hold immunity from ST, things like that), which I imagine will be an ongoing process until the last day when the STO servers spin down for the last time and the game fades into history some years from now.

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You should try it, then maybe you'll become better at pvp. As to get to BG5 you will probably have about 40 hours pvp experience under your belt.

There may be something to that. I just started as a Klingon player yesterday and I was astonished at how fast I made Lieutenant 5. My guys a Nausicaan and he's a science officer. I'm partial to science officers for some reason now. I'll have to see how far I can take him.

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Feds get missions storylines DSE's explores creation pvp ect ect...
Klinks get pvp, the same defense over and over and over, and an all to brief story arc that doesnt supply even a levels worth of exp let alone good gear, oh and yes lets not forget half naked orion female.. ya cause that really makes the insulting lack of content for us better.. thanks. (brief memo to Cryptic fire the 13yo that came up with that one and hire a dev that will actually make something crazy like PVE content or at least some ship and uniform content!)

So basically the over arcing gist of Starfleet online... Feds get everthing in every available flavor.. klinks get orions in bikinis.... oh ya thats balanced.

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Dude- they are gone. Check the date, that was back in march.

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So far having played both sides ,the only thing the Klingons need are players!LOL!I hear its pretty lopsided in the federations favour at admiral.Going to have to change that.

When season 3 hits...I'll be right there with ya.

And to the OP, you are very correct sir. I think if someone whom only rolled feds traded for a week they would have a deeper appreciation for the game itself. Plus not to mention it may make them a better PvP/E'r.

Everything I learned about battle, I learned from a Klingon.



EDIT: Yea this is an oldie of a thread.....still same rings true.

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When season 3 hits...I'll be right there with ya.

And to the OP, you are very correct sir. I think if someone whom only rolled feds traded for a week they would have a deeper appreciation for the game itself. Plus not to mention it may make them a better PvP/E'r.

Everything I learned about battle, I learned from a Klingon.



EDIT: Yea this is an oldie of a thread.....still same rings true.

I knew the OP and it is telling Idryll Alira eventually left the game in disgust.

When the Feds got YET ANOTHER retrofit (the excellent Excelsior) before the Klingons have been given a single one, I could almost hear the ghost of Idryll Alira saying "I told you so".

So many great Klingon players have left the game and alas they will probably never return :(

Dan Stahl certainly says all the right things about what the K faction needs... but talk is cheap.

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Old thread that still rings true.

So true in fact a great many Klingon fanclubs around the world have notes in their websites specifically about the lack of Klingon content in STO and why they (said fanclubs) are no longer interested in the game as a whole.

On a side note the UGC is supposed to help the lack of content in the KDF faction, but what about our "promised" new ships? Are we to design and make these as well?

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Maybe i should sit down on a quiet week and throw up a design for a klingon ship, already have some basic idea.

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Old thread that still rings true.

So true in fact a great many Klingon fanclubs around the world have notes in their websites specifically about the lack of Klingon content in STO and why they (said fanclubs) are no longer interested in the game as a whole.

On a side note the UGC is supposed to help the lack of content in the KDF faction, but what about our "promised" new ships? Are we to design and make these as well?

This doesn't surprise me. I've been convinced by a friend to give STO a try (it wasn't hard to convince me), and was severely disappointed to find out that Klingons are PvP only. I don't hate PvP, but I dont' want to be forced to do it. As much as I have always loved Klingons, I have to echo one of the posters from this thread: I can't play a race I'd really want to play because of the lack of content. I'm tempted to level a Klingon to max level by exploring the nebula over and over again out of bitterness, but that wouldn't solve anything, and I'd give up before I was done.

Since I'm new to the game (downloading the trial as I type), I do have to ask if there's any actual plans in the works to give Klingon's content. I am curious if the lack of Klingon content was an intentional design decision with Klingon's working as intended, or if that half of the content had to be cut due to a lack of time or resources.

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This doesn't surprise me. I've been convinced by a friend to give STO a try (it wasn't hard to convince me), and was severely disappointed to find out that Klingons are PvP only. I don't hate PvP, but I dont' want to be forced to do it. As much as I have always loved Klingons, I have to echo one of the posters from this thread: I can't play a race I'd really want to play because of the lack of content. I'm tempted to level a Klingon to max level by exploring the nebula over and over again out of bitterness, but that wouldn't solve anything, and I'd give up before I was done.

Since I'm new to the game (downloading the trial as I type), I do have to ask if there's any actual plans in the works to give Klingon's content. I am curious if the lack of Klingon content was an intentional design decision with Klingon's working as intended, or if that half of the content had to be cut due to a lack of time or resources.

Its not the fact that we must do pvp really, just the lack of everything else as an option. PvP is ablast if you ignore the cries that the Klingons are overpowered while you spend 5 minutes trying to kill that 'under-powered" escort that never seems to die, while watching your own shields /hull jump up and down like a yo-yo.

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Its not the fact that we must do pvp really, just the lack of everything else as an option. PvP is ablast if you ignore the cries that the Klingons are overpowered while you spend 5 minutes trying to kill that 'under-powered" escort that never seems to die, while watching your own shields /hull jump up and down like a yo-yo.

Oh, I agree that PvP can be a lot of fun, I just want the chance to have an immersive pve storyline. Even having a PvP theme is appropriate, and makes sense for Klingons. That just can't be everything, and they need adequate attention from the developers. Klingons are not butt-monkeys.

I fear that this issue is as dead as this necroed thread, and that my first posts (in a long time) involve not alive horse beating. Maybe the old studio had the right idea with only having Fed at launch, which would allow Klingon's as a fully developed xpac.

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Ok gang, I'm closing this one down.

Zombie threads are bad, so please, when a thread dies, let it rest in peace.

Thanks,

Stormshade