Klingon Faction - Things I'd Like To See...

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Though I will admit that I play Federation alot more than the Klingons, I do enjoy going over to that side every now and then. Our Fleet has Mondays and Fridays reserved as our Klingon Days.

With that being said I would like to see the following things in the future for the Klingon Faction.

Races:
Female versions of the Gorn, Nausicaans and Letheans
Kriosians (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kriosian) (they are a subject species of the Klingons)
Arin'Sen (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Arin%27Sen) (they are also a subject species and also already have parts in the character creator)

Ships:
Gorn, Nausicaan and Orion Ships

- These are already in the game. The Klingon Empire isn't really as huge into resources as the Federation since they mostly do rely on themselves to get the job done, and it isn't that far fetched for them to accept other ships from at least the Gorn into their ranks. It would be nice to have for variety's sake and it would make things on the Klingon-side seem more realistic - at least in my opinion. They should also come with some bridges of their own.

Uniforms:
More uniforms and customization options for the uniforms for the Klingons! Get the concept art people to draw up some stuff. There isn't enough variety currently on the Klingon side.. though this isn't that huge of a deal.

PVE
This goes without question that the Klingon faction could benefit from more PVE and Episodic Content.. yes they are supposed to be PVP focused.. however not everyone likes PVP and there are a ton of people that like Klingons.

PVP Maps
More PVP maps.. it gets old doing the same ones over and over again.

This is all that I can think of for now.. but things are generally heading int he right direction for the Klingons.

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PVE definitely. I want to see Klingon play on par with fed play. we should be able to experience the same immersive game that they do.

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I agree, A little bit more PvP in the mix would be appreciated. When PvP que's get slow, I want to be able to do something other than sit around.

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More PvE is needed and I would say episodes are the way to go not more exploration.

Better PvP more object driven, better quests, better rewards and an open planet where I dont just have to kill the same 5 people over and over.

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While not disagreeing with anything here , I'll just add . How about this faction getting some sort of story line ?

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Better PvP. Individual dueling/tournaments (with Bat'leth or other weapons), open multi-tier ground and space, 20-40 player games/training events/contests.

Much more (100x more?) PvE to include arcing storyline, time travel, etc.

Character/ship customization on a par with Federation.

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Though I will admit that I play Federation alot more than the Klingons, I do enjoy going over to that side every now and then. Our Fleet has Mondays and Fridays reserved as our Klingon Days.

With that being said I would like to see the following things in the future for the Klingon Faction.

Races:
Female versions of the Gorn, Nausicaans and Letheans
Kriosians (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kriosian) (they are a subject species of the Klingons)
Arin'Sen (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Arin%27Sen) (they are also a subject species and also already have parts in the character creator)

Ships:
Gorn, Nausicaan and Orion Ships

- These are already in the game. The Klingon Empire isn't really as huge into resources as the Federation since they mostly do rely on themselves to get the job done, and it isn't that far fetched for them to accept other ships from at least the Gorn into their ranks. It would be nice to have for variety's sake and it would make things on the Klingon-side seem more realistic - at least in my opinion. They should also come with some bridges of their own.

Uniforms:
More uniforms and customization options for the uniforms for the Klingons! Get the concept art people to draw up some stuff. There isn't enough variety currently on the Klingon side.. though this isn't that huge of a deal.

PVE
This goes without question that the Klingon faction could benefit from more PVE and Episodic Content.. yes they are supposed to be PVP focused.. however not everyone likes PVP and there are a ton of people that like Klingons.

PVP Maps
More PVP maps.. it gets old doing the same ones over and over again.

This is all that I can think of for now.. but things are generally heading int he right direction for the Klingons.

Sorry, but those Kriosians are NOT the same Kriosians from "In the Mind's Eye"
It was an error tha gave both races the same name.
StarTrek.com explicitly stares these are not the same.

"A name coincidentally shared by two different planets and/or star systems. One is the only Klingon colony along the Federation border -- far from Romulan space -- where Starfleet is accused by its governor of aiding rebels fighting for independence, a plot later pinned opn the Romulans. Another, with at least interstellar fliught centuries ago, had been involved in a war with neighboring system Valt Minor for that long until a Ceremony of Reconciliation was held aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise midway between their systems circa stardate 45780, in 2368. "

It would also not make sense storywise to have the Federation deliver Kamala to a Klingon-conquered world.;)

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I second the suggestions, as well as the one stating that the Klingons desperately need a storyline. And I would love Cryptic forever if that storyline was narrated by Michael Dorn (aka Worf.)

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Sorry, but those Kriosians are NOT the same Kriosians from "In the Mind's Eye"
It was an error tha gave both races the same name.
StarTrek.com explicitly stares these are not the same.

No offense, but StarTrek.com is horribly outdated and is a website that hardly works properly.

With that being said, the Kriosians from TNG were fighting for Klingon independance. I did find a snippit from ST.com which is completely wrong cause they are saying it's from DS9 -_- when it's clearly from TNG.

Here's the reference I'm talking about.

Kriosians
Episode: DS9 462 - Prophet Motive

Planet: Krios. The tall, slender humanoid members if this species share similarities in their skin pigments — a dark-spotted, skin pattern along the hairline and down the neck and spine — with the Valtese, not unlike some Trill hosts. No strangers to the outside galaxy, they educate Kamala about topics ranging from archaeology to Earth's Shakespeare and rich musical traditions, as well as about the culture of Valtese. This race should not be confused with another group of Kriosians, who were fighting for independence as a Klingon colony in 2367.

I think Memory-Alpha has it right.. I wouldn't second guess them as they are the most true Trek information site on the internet out there. The Star Trek.com site is by far the most worthless site out there for Trek information to be honest. If MA says they are the same race.. then they are. Not sure how you can explain away the markings both set of "Kriosians" had.

To me I look at it as saying that there were a few groups of Kriosians.. Kamala and her group were not part of the ones that were fighting for independence as a Klingon colony at the time.

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Funny that you mention Memory Alpha, since it expicitly refers to the article at StarTrek.com and it also notices that the planets are so very different that it is highly unlikely they are the same.;)
Please take a look here:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Krios_Prime

Oh and since I've recently seen "In the mind's Eye": I cannot remember that there was ever a Kriosian visible in that episode.

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Funny that you mention Memory Alpha, since it expicitly refers to the article at StarTrek.com and it also notices that the planets are so very different that it is highly unlikely they are the same.;)
Please take a look here:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Krios_Prime

Oh and since I've recently seen "In the mind's Eye": I cannot remember that there was ever a Kriosian visible in that episode.

At the same time though, MA never insists that there are two different sets of Kriosian races.. again they both have the same type of facial markings.

I think it's most likely a production mistake to be honest. It wouldn't be the first time they've done something like that.

With that being said.. I'm not really sure how this ties in to the request for the Kriosians to be a playable race on the Klingon side.. we don't have to see their planets... additionally we know for certain the Kriosians were a subject species of the Klingons no matter which episode you refer to.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kriosian

Sometime between the mid-22nd and mid-24th century, the Klingons established a colony on Krios and subjugated the Kriosians under their rule.

In 2367, the Kriosians began fighting for independence from the Klingon Empire. During the revolt, the rebels hid in the Ikalian asteroid belt, where they used the actinides in the asteroids to hide from sensor scans. The rebels later attacked a Ferengi freighter and a Cardassian freighter, in the belt.

For the most part, the Klingons tolerated the rebellion, until Vagh, the Klingon governor of Krios, charged the Federation with supplying the rebels with phaser rifles. Upon further investigation by Starfleet, it was discovered that the suppliers were, in fact, the Romulans, who were planting the evidence in attempt to drive a wedge between the Klingons and the Federation, and to jeopardize the Treaty of Alliance. (TNG: "The Mind's Eye")

The following year, Krios and Valt Minor finally agreed to Ceremony of Reconciliation, to finally bring an end to their centuries long war. The Ceremony was held aboard the Federation starship USS Enterprise-D at a point mid-way between the two systems.

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At the same time though, MA never insists that there are two different sets of Kriosian races.. again they both have the same type of facial markings.

I think it's most likely a production mistake to be honest. It wouldn't be the first time they've done something like that.

With that being said.. I'm not really sure how this ties in to the request for the Kriosians to be a playable race on the Klingon side.. we don't have to see their planets... additionally we know for certain the Kriosians were a subject species of the Klingons no matter which episode you refer to.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kriosian

Well i thought it might be a good idea to have all the information available to be mentioned.
So I thought it would be fair to point out that those two Krios systems might not be the same.
I agree it is most likely a production error, just one of a different kind.;)
Systems that have the same name but can't possibly be the same are not new.
The Rigel system is the ultimate running gag in this category.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rigel_II
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rigel_III
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rigel_IV
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rigel_V
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rigel_VII
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rigel_X
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rigel_XII

there is a note about that here:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Rigel_system

Anyway back to the Kriosians:
If you look at the actual episodes and carefully look at the way Kriosian history is laid out on the MA site you will notice that the only time a Klingon occupation is ever mentioned is in "In the Mind's Eye".
It is never even hinted at in "Perect Mate", which came first.
If you analyse the storyline of "Perfect Mate" you will also notice that the whole story would make absolutely no sense if the planet were under Klingon rule.
The Klingons would not care about the long war with the people of Vault Minor and they would certainly not allow the Enterprise to carry a representative of a planet they have subjugated on any sort of mission.
Particularly since this would have been an interference into a Klingon affair.
So there is a good chance the Kriosians that are under Klingon rule are not the Kriosians with the spots.
In addition you repeatedly state that both types of Kriosians have the facial marikngs.
The Kriosians from "In the Mind's Eye" were never shown.
When you look at the list of Kriosians that were ever shown on-screen you will note that the list of Kriosians in "In the Mind's Eye" in zero.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kriosians

So how can the have the same facial markings when we never see them?:)
The only Kriosian that was ever shown outside "Perfect Mate" was Kaitaama in "Precious Cargo", an Episode of Enterprise which has nothing to do with either of the other episodes storywise.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kaitaama

I absolutely agree the the Klingons should have more races and I have previously noted in a similar thread that I would like the Chalnoth as a Klingons race.
So please don't misunderstand me I am not against th idea itself.
But I believe the attempt of MA to merge two possibly different species into one though the article on their page is problematic.
For all we kow the Kriosians from "In the Mind's eye" might look like this:

http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/61164.jpg

Just kidding but we know there are several races with identical names out there that look different and are both in the Alpha AND the Delta Quadrant.
So this might mean if there ever are Kriosians it might not be the ones you proposed.

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Just kidding but we know there are several races with identical names out there that look different and are both in the Alpha AND the Delta Quadrant.
So this might mean if there ever are Kriosians it might not be the ones you proposed.

You're making things much more complicated than they need to be.. the Kriosians are the ones that I've already indicated and they were subjugated by the Klingons. End of story.