Poll: Should the Galaxy-X remain exclusive to the referral program?

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One of the main points Cryptic has emphasized in various interviews is that they listen to their players. And TBH, they've done a pretty good job so far. For example, the game launched without PvE for Klingons, the community requested it, and they have started to deliver and have more in the works. The game launched with a pretty lame crafting system, but people expressed their desires and Cryptic is reworking it. The list goes on and on from the DP to the difficulty slider to end game content.

However, a new issue has arisen that people are voicing their concerns about; namely the Galaxy-X ship introduced through the referral program. Cryptic has made a pattern thus far of listening to the players, and thats a good thing. So lets have an unofficial poll to show how the community feels about this issue, so Cryptic can have another opportunity to prove they are listening:

Should the Galaxy-X remain exclusive to the referral program? (http://poll.fm/1vq9x)

After you vote, please share your thoughts.

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no,but honestly. they're not gonna listen to you.

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If Cryptic have any regard for their players at all, they will change their decision on this.

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no it should never have been made "exclusive" to the program.

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Can we not start another thread about this? There are already 3 of them going two of the riot threads. Hasn't even been 72 hours since the announcement was made and this subject is already starting to get on my nerves.

This thread isn't going to end well.

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No, it shouldn't remain exclusive, it should be purchasable at a shipyard with any other T5 ship. Save Cryptics non canon ubercruisers for referral rewards and whatnot.

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Can we not start another thread about this? There are already 3 of them going two of the riot threads. Hasn't even been 72 hours since the announcement was made and this subject is already starting to get on my nerves.

Too bad. This is the kind of thing that needs to be nipped in the bud NOW.
More topics means more people at Cryptic are aware that we, the players, are upset about this.

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No, it just means that the same people are posting their same complaints in several different topics about it, espiceally since at least one of the previous 3 hasn't left page 1.

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Can we not start another thread about this? There are already 3 of them going two of the riot threads. Hasn't even been 72 hours since the announcement was made and this subject is already starting to get on my nerves.

This thread isn't going to end well.

Sorry its getting on your nerves, but at least with a poll you can see exact numbers with one click instead of reading every page of a thread. If it really does bother you though, I would recommend exercising your free will and not clicking on a thread related to a subject you dont want to read about.

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No, it just means that the same people are posting their same complaints in several different topics about it, espiceally since at least one of the previous 3 hasn't left page 1.

I've counted at least 10 different people posting their thoughts against this in the last 20 minutes.
I'm really sick of some people trotting out the "eeeh it's just teh same people over and over!" misinformation.

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Unfortunately there are also sometimes dev posts in those threads and there is no way I'm missing that information. XD

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Unfortunately there are also sometimes dev posts in those threads and there is no way I'm missing that information. XD

Which are easily found by clicking on the "dev post" button which is currently NOT next to this topic.

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Unfortunately there are also sometimes dev posts in those threads and there is no way I'm missing that information. XD

Well, you can easily see the Dev posts without reading anything else in the thread using the Dev tracker.

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I've counted at least 10 different people posting their thoughts against this in the last 20 minutes.
I'm really sick of some people trotting out the "eeeh it's just teh same people over and over!" misinformation.

So 10 people on the forums are complaining about this?

Seriously, complain about something worthwhile and go find five friends, it's not that hard. I don't mean any ill-will towards you guys, but this is ridiculous.

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So 10 people on the forums are complaining about this?

Seriously, complain about something worthwhile and go find five friends, it's not that hard. I don't mean any ill-will towards you guys, but this is ridiculous.

Yes, 10 people I counted in 20 minutes = only 10 people complaining about this.
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It's more like 50 repeating posters who are raging to their hearts content, but I digress.

Anywho I don't think Cryptic is going to change their mind about this one. It's too good a marketing strategy and that is one very tempting carrot at the end.

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It's more like 50 repeating posters who are raging to their hearts content, but I digress.

Yes yes keep telling yourself it's just a few malcontents. That's what they said in SWG too as it burned around them.

Anywho I don't think Cryptic is going to change their mind about this one. It's too good a marketing strategy and that is one very tempting carrot at the end.

At the end of a nigh-impossible task, a marketing gimmick made in bad faith that will anger fans.

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It's more like 50 repeating posters who are raging to their hearts content, but I digress.

Anywho I don't think Cryptic is going to change their mind about this one. It's too good a marketing strategy and that is one very tempting carrot at the end.

Maybe your right. But I never would have believed they would have changed their mind and made what was planned to be a paid expansion for CO free either. And the only reason they did was because of community feedback. That was a much bigger issue than this by far.

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Yes yes keep telling yourself it's just a few malcontents. That's what they said in SWG too as it burned around them.

I did not rule out the one time posters who post their complaint and then move on, I just stated that it was a decent number of players who keep posting their rage about it. And I'm well aware of what happened in SWG.

At the end of a nigh-impossible task, a marketing gimmick made in bad faith that will anger fans.

Then this challenge should be right up the ally of us Trekkies. :cool:

Seriously though, I understand the frustration. I share in it to an extent, but I'm still going to try my hardest to get that ship in a calm, collected, mature manner, and rise to the challenge or fail. Nothing more and nothing less.

Maybe your right. But I never would have believed they would have changed their mind and made what was planned to be a paid expansion for CO free either. And the only reason they did was because of community feedback. That was a much bigger issue than this by far.

I was not aware of that. Interesting.

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I was not aware of that. Interesting.

Yeah, I was pretty surprised myself. Here is the info if your interested:

http://www.champions-online.com/node/594840

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I have no problem to them making an exclusive ship available for the master recruiters, and honestly, I bet you wouldn't have a problem with it either if it wasn't THAT SPECIFIC ship.

Seriously, it's the coolest ship of all designs, IMO. Yes, I want it too. Am I ever going to get it? Probably not. Does it bother me? Not at all. Did you also complain about the Constitution class pre-order Enterprise 1701? That's exclusive as well. The difference, you can go and get this one.. Just recruit 5 people to the game.

Edited to remove my errors about the "costume" It will have unique cannon. It will also possibly have a non-combat cloak (even though it contradicts their older pre-release posts)

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I have no problem to them making an exclusive ship costume (which is all it is btw. It will NOT cloak. They have already made it clear Feds will not get that technology) available for the master recruiters, and honestly, I bet you wouldn't have a problem with it either if it wasn't THAT SPECIFIC ship.

Seriously, it's the coolest ship of all designs, IMO. Yes, I want it too. Am I ever going to get it? Probably not. Does it bother me? Not at all. Did you also complain about the Constitution class pre-order Enterprise 1701? That's exclusive as well. The difference, you can go and get this one.. Just recruit 5 people to the game.

Please do your research before commenting, you're wrong on multiple counts.
dstahl as hinted that it will have a cloak, and a unique cannon making it more than just a skin.
And you not only have to recruit 5 people, a task in itself, you must also get them all to buy a one-month sub.

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Please do your research before commenting, you're wrong on multiple counts.
dstahl as hinted that it will have a cloak, and a unique cannon making it more than just a skin.
And you not only have to recruit 5 people, a task in itself, you must also get them all to buy a one-month sub.

Where did he hint that it will have a cloak? Link or it did not happen.

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I am going with no on that poll. If the Galaxy-X is going to be in the referral program, then Cryptic should reward it to the Veterans of Star Trek Online as well.

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i haven't posted in any of the other threads, but feel if i were to shoot for the All Good Things Galaxy, would have to sign up more than 5, because i doubt most would last the full month and be considered "subscribed".

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No, and neither should the holo-tribble or the holo-BOff. Cryptic swore long ago (CoH Valentine's Day Event 2005) they would never tie in game rewards to referral programs again. They should not have done this in the first place. I am terribly disappointed in them. I want all of those things and I will never get them (assuming they're left like this) because all of my friends already play the game.

For shame Jackalope! For shame!

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Where did he hint that it will have a cloak? Link or it did not happen.

The Galaxy X was a specific ship created specifically for the Referral program. The goal with the other end game ships is that they would be unlockable by reaching the next tier level but the specifics of that are still be discussed.



Here's what I know about it so far - The cannon is specific to this ship, and takes the place of a weapon's slot, but is not an item that can be removed and placed on another ship. It shows up as a captain's power on your weapon tray. The beam is intendend to be a very narrow front cylinder beam that can pass through objects and hit multiple targets if you are lined up properly (out to a set distance).

There are no details yet on recharge timers or how it impacts cooldowns of other powers/weapons.

I've also heard rumor that it may have a non-battle cloak - which means that it might be able to cloak - but only out of combat.

Once the designer is finished with the ship - I'll see if I can get the full details.

The ship will be available by the time that your referals hit their first 30 day billing cycle.

also...

Management is aware of this thread ...

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=2637012

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i haven't posted in any of the other threads, but feel if i were to shoot for the All Good Things Galaxy, would have to sign up more than 5, because i doubt most would last the full month and be considered "subscribed".

Technically they would have to stay for two months. First they would have to play through the free month that comes with the game, then they would have to subscribe for another before you would get any credit.

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:( double whammy :(

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http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=2637012

Oh goody! So, it's an even better item that many of us will never get unless we buy five accounts ourselves. Aaaaargh!!!

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If Cryptic have any regard for their players at all, they will change their decision on this.

I agree, there should be another way to get it...perhaps with the accolade system or something?

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Should be available via multiple avenues

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I can't see it happening.

Yes I went back and read it... and I stand corrected. Sounds uber. I still have no problem with it being a recruiter reward. Although, I think getting 5 people to BUY the game should be enough. I don't think they should have to also subscribe for another month minimum. Another idea... If a recruit goes LIFER, then BAM, Master Recruiter.

Wow, you are fast.. I could not even delete this post before it got quoted.... btw, how do you delete a post?

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Perhaps you should recheck your Star Trek Lore. Fed cloak breaks the Treaty of Algernon. It was allowed in the anti-time reality, because the Romulans had been defeated by the Klingons and nullified the treaty. OK, if it has a unique cannon, then yes, that makes it more than a skin. As far as this "hint" show me.... It'll never fly.

Being at war with the Romulans nullifies the treaty too.
Also, read what dstahl said.

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I say yes, because that is the incentive for players to refer their friends. It may eventually be available in the C-Store, but not anytime soon. Right now it is a good incentive and it should stay that way. Just like pre-orders had their own incentives.

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I say yes, because that is the incentive for players to refer their friends. It may eventually be available in the C-Store, but not anytime soon. Right now it is a good incentive and it should stay that way. Just like pre-orders had their own incentives.

Do you seriously, honestly think having 5 people subscribe is fair? Really?
It shouldn't even be called referral. You are not referring if you do this! You are marketing the game for them.

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Do you seriously, honestly think having 5 people subscribe is fair? Really?
It shouldn't even be called referral. You are not referring if you do this! You are marketing the game for them.

Of course its marketing, there are many forms of it. If you have friends that like Star Trek and/or MMOs I'm sure by now you've told them about STO, and that is definitely a form of marketing. At least through the referral program you are getting something in return.

Frankly I'll probably never get any of the referral rewards, but I'm fine with it. I have no problems with them offering incentives for it. Take away the incentives and very few people will do it. The less people that do it the less chance Cryptic has of making money. Lets face it, they are a company and their number 1 priority is making money, just like every other business. I don't have anything against them for that.

So to answer your question yes I do think its fair. Besides, who's to say that in a year from now they won't offer new incentives and put the current incentives into the C-Store?

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Should be available through other means. In a game with so few unique high-end items, making one of the biggest ones a referral item demonstrates an attitude of profits before player experience, pure and simple.

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The phrase "too soon" comes to mind.
WoW gets away with referral programs due to being well established, and even WoW doesn't require FIVE SUBSCRIBERS.

STO is barely off the ground, at this point it should be attracting players on it's own merits, not through this kind of heavy-handed referral.

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I say yes it should remain a referral reward. Gives people incentive to recruit/teach new people the game that we already love.

I'm sure it'll get into the C-store eventually but for now I think having a REALLY shiny carrot to drive business to a game we love is a cool idea :)

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The phrase "too soon" comes to mind.
WoW gets away with referral programs due to being well established, and even WoW doesn't require FIVE SUBSCRIBERS.

STO is barely off the ground, at this point it should be attracting players on it's own merits, not through this kind of heavy-handed referral.

Why shouldn't Cryptic get help from players who really enjoy the game and want to play it with their friends? I'm sure there have already been tons of people who have played it, told their friends about it, and got their friends to start playing. I have definitely told a few of my friends about it, granted they said they are too busy or too poor to play, but I've told them. This is just a way for Cryptic to say "thank you".

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If it were a "thank you", why not make it a veteran's reward, too?

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If it were a "thank you", why not make it a veteran's reward?

Well, because it's a thank you for driving more business to the game/teaching that recruit the game so they become a long term member (those who sub an extra month past the free month typically will stay around for MANY more.) not thank you for keeping your sub going.

Not meant as a harsh comment, just the reality.

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If it were a "thank you", why not make it a veteran's reward, too?

The veteran rewards have their own "thank you". Besides its much easier to get it after playing for 400 days than to get 5 people to join. Besides for the veteran rewards you get a nice vanity ship anyway.

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First let me start by saying something that applies to all threads of any nature. If you're indifferent to it or don't like the thread in question, don't read it. Don't reply, don't waste your time. If it is something that you don't like then I can only surmise that you're a masochist by continuing to go out of your way to reply to it. Everyone has issues that concern them and every issue does not concern everyone.

Next I'd like to say this is entirely my first post on the matter. I've not even said anything in #STO or in game on top of that. This means that the suggestion of it always being the same people is inherently flawed.

Finally, to the issue at hand, no it should not be exclusive to the referral program. If it were many other ships I wouldn't see an issue however this is a ship that people wanted from the very start. Many people wanted this, many people requested this, and demand for it never ceased. Before there were programs, before there was a C-Store, people simply wanted the ability to obtain such a memorable ship. So, to me, to place what is likely one of the most requested ships behind a wall of five subscriptions seems a bit, well, rude.

I'm completely indifferent to the ship at hand. Sure, I like it. Sure, I'd like to have one but it is far from my list of favourite or desired ships. That said, I'm posting because a great many people do want it and I can easily sympathize with that; what if it had been the only way to obtain the original Constitution? Then I would be in their place. Just because it's not something I'm all stoked for doesn't mean it's any less important to the rest of the players.

Let's be honest, recruiting is never really easy for any game. It's probably going to be far more difficult for this game since it isn't very long after the launch (and all the follies that come with that). Getting five people is particularly difficult and will most likely be a long and arduous process that I can imagine most of the people bothering with it will be the ones who simply want the ship being that it is clearly so popular. In a way, the idea is clever and sounds good, but in practise it hurts and upsets the people who created the large demand for it to begin with. Like others, I'm of the opinion that it should be a cryptic original prestige ship and not such a classic ship that has been highly wanted for years.

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i already gave out my buddy key, and convinced two other friends to try the game. they bought it.

i have noone i actually know left to refer. everyone else is addicted to wow/eve etc. none are even willing to try sto. so i guess no referral benefits for me, even though i succeeded at getting 3 suckers into the game before this was announced lol

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wooo i dissapear for a few days and cryptic starts mucking about, why do i always miss the most insane decisions? cryptic sure does like exlusives though. buy here get this, buy there get that, buy now with these, eat this and play with that.

I wonder when we'll get a STO exclusive for braving a public restroom? we already got one for braving the food that would send us there...

I say make it available, it's waaaaay too late for me to sucke...errrr convince my friends to get STO. They've seen gameplay, they've read reviews, they've heard me ranting about STO's problems. About the only way i could get them to stay wuld be to pay for their subs, pay for their internet bills for the bandwidth and buy several bottles of scotch which i'd need to employ in convincing them to go ahead with it.

We're already sold on STO one way or the other, an exclusive item won't swing our decision. Those who don't want to sell it never will and those that do probably already have. Giving us some exclusive recruiter item is not going to get our friends to buy it no matter how good a friend we may be. You've got to convince people to BUY the game instead of convincing people to SELL it.

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After reading the replies in this thread as well as the other, its great to know that regardless of who thinks their "winning" the debate as far as the posts go, a poll shows the hard numbers, and in the end thats all the Devs really care about :o

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i already gave out my buddy key, and convinced two other friends to try the game. they bought it.

i have noone i actually know left to refer. everyone else is addicted to wow/eve etc. none are even willing to try sto. so i guess no referral benefits for me, even though i succeeded at getting 3 suckers into the game before this was announced lol

VERY excellent point. Hmm, I bet the use of your buddy keys could be tracked, and your recruits could be added retroactively. All is not lost.

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After reading the replies in this thread as well as the other, its great to know that regardless of who thinks their "winning" the debate as far as the posts go, a poll shows the hard numbers, and in the end thats all the Devs really care about :o

winning? lol, Even if you win an argument on the internet.. you are still arguing on the internet.. :p

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Sorry its getting on your nerves, but at least with a poll you can see exact numbers with one click instead of reading every page of a thread. If it really does bother you though, I would recommend exercising your free will and not clicking on a thread related to a subject you dont want to read about.

I do wish more people would vote to give you a larger sample size though regardless of what the results are.

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After reading the replies in this thread as well as the other, its great to know that regardless of who thinks their "winning" the debate as far as the posts go, a poll shows the hard numbers, and in the end thats all the Devs really care about :o

Unfortunately that data your collecting is going to be skewed, like just about all self made polls posted here on the forums since it doesn't go out to the entire STO community. Not saying which side of the debate I'm on, just pointing that out.

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Unfortunately that data your collecting is going to be skewed, like just about all self made polls posted here on the forums since it doesn't go out to the entire STO community. Not saying which side of the debate I'm on, just pointing that out.

Oh, your right. However, the reality of the matter is that most of the changes that have been made to the game are a direct result of forum feedback, since the Devs have not held any in game polls. I wish they would, but until then all their going to get is the feedback from the people on the forums.

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No, it shouldn't.

And they shouldn't even have a RAF program now given the current state of the game. They should wait till it is good enough to stop bleeding subs and can actually retain people more successfully. Makes no sense to invite them to a half finished game that they will likely cancel after the first month and never give it a second chance.

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One of the main points Cryptic has emphasized in various interviews is that they listen to their players. And TBH, they've done a pretty good job so far. For example, the game launched without PvE for Klingons, the community requested it, and they have started to deliver and have more in the works. The game launched with a pretty lame crafting system, but people expressed their desires and Cryptic is reworking it. The list goes on and on from the DP to the difficulty slider to end game content.

However, a new issue has arisen that people are voicing their concerns about; namely the Galaxy-X ship introduced through the referral program. Cryptic has made a pattern thus far of listening to the players, and thats a good thing. So lets have an unofficial poll to show how the community feels about this issue, so Cryptic can have another opportunity to prove they are listening:

Should the Galaxy-X remain exclusive to the referral program? (http://poll.fm/1vq9x)

After you vote, please share your thoughts.

Given the two options, I'd say "no".

But I'd also favor a third option where it becomes available through alternate means, all targeted at promoting the game.

Recruit 5 friends and get it.

Recruit 1 friend who stays for 6 months and get it.

Have a monthly fansite contest to award it.

Create a Youtube video promoting STO and the top 5 entries get it.

Have a contest to compose original music for the game and get it.

Have a fan art contest to get it.

Etc.

No problem with the idea of it being a viral marketing reward but I think they should have multiple ways to get it. I have no problem with saying you don't get it without promoting the game. I think the one way announced so far is awfully restrictive and difficult and may just come down to people with 5 e-mail accounts setting up 5 game accounts.

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c-store.

me buying c points is much more likely than me finding 5(!) people that want to play this game.

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Given the two options, I'd say "no".

But I'd also favor a third option where it becomes available through alternate means, all targeted at promoting the game.

Recruit 5 friends and get it.

Recruit 1 friend who stays for 6 months and get it.

Have a monthly fansite contest to award it.

Create a Youtube video promoting STO and the top 5 entries get it.

Have a contest to compose original music for the game and get it.

Have a fan art contest to get it.

Etc.

No problem with the idea of it being a viral marketing reward but I think they should have multiple ways to get it. I have no problem with saying you don't get it without promoting the game. I think the one way announced so far is awfully restrictive and difficult and may just come down to people with 5 e-mail accounts setting up 5 game accounts.

I like this suggestion the best so far. Nice, calm and reasonable.

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I like this suggestion the best so far. Nice, calm and reasonable.

and equally undoable for most people.

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Grand nagus, I voted it should be available by some other means. I dont see this being a very good scale of the entire population, but I do hope something changes.

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I vote “Yes, it should remain exclusive”.
Although that means that I too shall never command one.

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While I don't personally want this ship, I will vote in support of making it available to all in any other manner than the RAF program.

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It should be a RAF exclusive. It is not unusual for RAF rewards to be exclusive to the RAF program.

As many have said before, regardless of results, this poll is not going to be accurate in any way.

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It should have no special game mechanics assosciated with it unless it is earnable through playing the game.

If it were just a skin, they could bundle it with a full-price Lamborghini for all I care.

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Voted Yes.

To be honest, it's just a skin. STO has bigger issues to deal with.

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Voted Yes.

To be honest, it's just a skin. STO has bigger issues to deal with.

It's more than just a skin. It has game mechanics not available to other ships of its kind. Like the forward mounted cannon that can hit multiple targets and an out of combat cloak (No other fed ship has that ability).

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2637012&postcount=399

If it were "just a skin" I would have no problem with it. But the fact of the matter is, it's not.

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It's more than just a skin. It has game mechanics not available to other ships of its kind. Like the forward mounted cannon that can hit multiple targets and an out of combat cloak (No other fed ship has that ability).

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2637012&postcount=399

If it were "just a skin" I would have no problem with it. But the fact of the matter is, it's not.

Doesn't look like a gamebreaker to me. Still voted yes.

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Voted yes they can keep it or the RAF. Something special for them.

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Doesn't look like a gamebreaker to me. Still voted yes.

Why does it matter if the unique mechanics are 'gamebreaking'? Do you support putting alternative BOff power sets in the C-store or access to more tiers of ships?

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STO has bigger issues to deal with.


stos biggest issue is to keep its playerbase.

alienating it like this is not gonna work in their favor.

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stos biggest issue is to keep its playerbase.

alienating it like this is not gonna work in their favor.

I thought it was to keep the Kool-Aid flowing.

Learn something new...

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Why does it matter if the unique mechanics are 'gamebreaking'? Do you support putting alternative BOff power sets in the C-store or access to more tiers of ships?

Unless they come out with something gamebreaking that's unique to the C-store, I don't care. Huzzah for the people who can get the 5 new signups. I doubt many will get that far. We'll have to see how the ship performs in game, though. For now, I see no reason to worry. I'll be glad to see Klinks have to deal with a legit cloak for once. :D

Using the C-store to sell copies of expansions (and the alternative BO powers and VA ship tier that would come with) is brilliant. +1 to that.

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Unless they come out with something gamebreaking that's unique to the C-store, I don't care. Huzzah for the people who can get the 5 new signups. I doubt many will get that far. We'll have to see how the ship performs in game, though. For now, I see no reason to worry. I'll be glad to see Klinks have to deal with a legit cloak for once. :D

Using the C-store to sell copies of expansions (and the alternative BO powers and VA ship tier that would come with) is brilliant. +1 to that.

*sigh* Long live the Cash Store MMO, then.

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*sigh* Long live the Cash Store MMO, then.

Its already coming.

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One of the main points Cryptic has emphasized in various interviews is that they listen to their players. And TBH, they've done a pretty good job so far. For example, the game launched without PvE for Klingons, the community requested it, and they have started to deliver and have more in the works. The game launched with a pretty lame crafting system, but people expressed their desires and Cryptic is reworking it. The list goes on and on from the DP to the difficulty slider to end game content.

However, a new issue has arisen that people are voicing their concerns about; namely the Galaxy-X ship introduced through the referral program. Cryptic has made a pattern thus far of listening to the players, and thats a good thing. So lets have an unofficial poll to show how the community feels about this issue, so Cryptic can have another opportunity to prove they are listening:

Should the Galaxy-X remain exclusive to the referral program? (http://poll.fm/1vq9x)

After you vote, please share your thoughts.

How did you vote Nagus?

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it should be exclusive to the program for a short time, maybe six months

then get opened up to everybody by another means.

veteran rewards would be the cheap option for me but it would takes ages so id be happy with c-store

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Vet rewards make little sense to me as an option since we should be on Tier 6 or 6.5 or even 7 by the time they'd fit into the Vet Rewards schedule.

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While I voted 'NO', the thing that I keep coming back to is why did they think that 5 subscribers was a fair number in exchange for the Galaxy X, especially when the norm for these types of programs seems to be around 1 person? :confused:

If it has to remain tied to the referral program, why can't they at least reduce the number of people needed to acquire it?

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Can we not start another thread about this? There are already 3 of them going two of the riot threads. Hasn't even been 72 hours since the announcement was made and this subject is already starting to get on my nerves.

This thread isn't going to end well.

First. I have never understood why some people get so bent out of shape over someone making a new thread about a particular subject. Is it so annoying to see this? I mean really. You are looking at a one line thread title move on if you don't like it. simple.




To the OP.....I voted No it should not. I really don't care about that ship as I don't fly cruisers but some people really want it and let;s face it getting 5 people to play STO is difficult. and I don't mind C-store items. but Cannon ships should never be in there. Those should always be part of the game and obtainable either from reaching a level point or completing a quest.

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it should be exclusive to the program for a short time, maybe six months

then get opened up to everybody by another means.

veteran rewards would be the cheap option for me but it would takes ages so id be happy with c-store

6 month, in my book, aren't a short time.

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No absolutely not.

There should be more ways to get this ship.

There are a couple of reasons for this.

Not everyone will have access to it because of the simple fact that not everyone knows that many people or can convince that many people to even play.
This will put ship out of reach of a lot of people I imagine.
So, right off the bat, the handicap is put into place just by the high number they want and the fact not many people I imagine can even get one to even sign up for a month or whatever the time is they want them signed up for.

Content should not be exclusive, like it or not, a ship is content no matter how small it may be.
Got to remember, we are not talking about a badge, we are talking about a functioning in game ship, not just something that hauls you around in the game or just a skin.

Things like this tend to send rifts through gaming communities imo and further sets gamers apart from each other when this game should be about getting people together, not setting them at eachother's throats.
Every attempt should be made to bring the community together and keep it together rather than placing in items that are only obtainable though ways outside the game itself like the refer a friend.
There are just too many uncontrollable factors at play with these things.
Sure, no matter what they do, there will be people who will go on about something, but that does not mean they should stop trying all together to keep the peace.
Also, I am not saying they are not trying to keep the peace or anything like that, I am just making a comment nothing more.
Trust me, people notice these kinds of practices and remember them.
They can choose to avoid their products or run right to their store and buy them based on their prior experiences with a company and so on.

People who have gotten all their friends in the game are probably not going to be able to count the ones they brought in towards getting this item, so in a sense they are just out of luck after they went to the trouble of rounding up their group and getting them signed up.
These people deserve another shot at the ship, not asked to go out and make 5 more on top of the ones they managed to get.

Getting people to join up and such is great and I am all for it, but if they make a large portion of the playerbase mad in the process and cause them to leave, then all they are doing is just changing the guard in a sense and just replacing those that left and in the end have not moved any further along than they were in the first place.

At any rate, have a good day / nite all.
Sorry about the ranting, just dropping in my couple of coins worth of comments.

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if your all gonna make such a big deal about this then i feel sorry for cryptic

DEAR GOD ITS JUST A SHIP SKIN!

if you want it so bad find people to play! im sick of listening to people whining on these forums about how the game is so quiet etc so when cryptic finally offer something to help get more players you all moan about that!

Cryptic should just close STO down and these forums to stop all the crying and hate!

YOU WANT THE SHIP? HELP THE GAME! THEN YOU WILL GET IT!



but on another note +1 to the cstore expansions idea! so much better than buying a useless 1 use disc copy.

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if your all gonna make such a big deal about this then i feel sorry for cryptic

DEAR GOD ITS JUST A SHIP SKIN!

if you want it so bad find people to play! im sick of listening to people whining on these forums about how the game is so quiet etc so when cryptic finally offer something to help get more players you all moan about that!

Cryptic should just close STO down and these forums to stop all the crying and hate!

YOU WANT THE SHIP? HELP THE GAME! THEN YOU WILL GET IT!



but on another note +1 to the cstore expansions idea! so much better than buying a useless 1 use disc copy.

1.) Its not just a skin.

Its a fully functional galaxy class ship, at t5. You know, the t5 that does not have a galaxy class. Which is a ship a great many of people WANT at t5. we can't use the t4 one, since it gimps you in pvp and drags your team down.


2.) Helping the game:
I am helping the game by paying my sub.

Trying to drag in 5(!) persons into this game is a task that can hardly be completed: given the fact that this game has not much going for it but ST-fan steam.

1 player would already be an achievement, 5 is pure fantasy.


3.) putting things like that in the c-store is simply a sensible approach. It is open to a wide audience, cryptic can get some bucks ("helping" the game) and most importantly: It doesn't tick of the players.

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I thought polls were not allowed on the forums:P

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DEAR GOD ITS JUST A SHIP SKIN!

Multiple statements made by dstahl confirm that it will have mechanical functionality including the forward laser cannon and possibly cloak.

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Of course it shouldnt be exclusive.
(By the way I HATE exclusives of any kind you cant earn INSINDE the game any way!)

So, of course i votet on the poll although I know Cryptic wont care.

The Galaxy X is such a musthave for some that some nerd players even will buy the game a couple of times to get it escpecialy if it includes the long discussed federation cloak.. Not joking, I was speaking to a guy inside the game who said he'll do that!
Cryptic didnt chose an iconic ship like the GalaxyX accidantly for that.

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Multiple statements made by dstahl confirm that it will have mechanical functionality including the forward laser cannon and possibly cloak.

Those ARE non-issues if it's an Escort and Tier 5.5 Escorts have those.

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and equally undoable for most people.

You don't draw or take 20 minutes to put together a video for a contest? Seriously a majority of those ideas listed are much easier to do, especially the second suggestion, than the current program.

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i can get 5 quiet easily. probably 10 if i tried.

this game is good, if its so bad why the hell are you playing it?

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Those ARE non-issues if it's an Escort and Tier 5.5 Escorts have those.

It's not going to be an escort. Just by the simple fact that it's going to be a Galaxy Class Starship. It's going to be a cruiser.

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Those ARE non-issues if it's an Escort and Tier 5.5 Escorts have those.

Yes, but it's still pure speculation that that will be the case, and I won't be comfortable with this until a yellow-name confirms that it won't have unique mechanics not otherwise available.

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i can get 5 quiet easily. probably 10 if i tried.

this game is good, if its so bad why the hell are you playing it?

I will say that I don't understand the "thid food is terrible and the portions are so small" style complaints from people who are upset about the ship and against recruitment.

My sympathies are with people who are enthusiastic about the game and feel that they can't recruit 5 players. (Honestly, I might be able to but I'd be fighting over who gets credit for which recruit from existing friends who play.)

I'd be a lot happier with this if there were alternate ways of promoting the game to get this or if someone who recruits one person could get this for 2000 Cryptic Points or something like that. It would still be restricted to recruiters/promoters of the game (if you aren't interested in seeing the game grow, why do you care what ship you can get?) but my biggest issue is with the numbers, followed by the potentially unique functionality.

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Yes, it should remain an exclusive to this program. The overall goal of the RAF is to bring in new subscribers. Adding this ship to the C-Store or unlockable in-game by some means will not accomplish that. Fairly simple to understand that much. Do the work and get the ship.

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Yes, it should remain an exclusive to this program. The overall goal of the RAF is to bring in new subscribers. Adding this ship to the C-Store or unlockable in-game by some means will not accomplish that. Fairly simple to understand that much. Do the work and get the ship.

This is a statement born of such flippant ignorance of the situation that I'm not even going to bother to respond.
It irritates me that some people really think like this. Then again some people still believe in the Tooth Fairy.

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And yet you did respond. Amazing how that works.

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Those of us who are oldtimers have already done a lot of friend-referrals for free for the company. So we're at quite a disadvantage here. If we want to go refer folk, we have to make a job out of it, which isn't all that fun. I'd like to leave the sales to them for the game, and in my real life. That being said, why not just give us an alternate method to acquire it via cash shop? I realize that they won't net the same money overall but like I said, it really leaves us at a disadvantage.

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The proper thing to do with this abomination of starship design is to destroy it. That or add some more spikes and fins. Nah, destruction it is.

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This is a statement born of such flippant ignorance of the situation that I'm not even going to bother to respond.
It irritates me that some people really think like this. Then again some people still believe in the Tooth Fairy.

How is my opinion on the matter ignorant? The OP asked others to vote and provide their thoughts on the matter.

Please explain how dumping the ship you want into the C-Store or making it unlockable in-game equating to recruiting more subscribers? That is the intended goal of the RAF program. That is the point you are all missing and/or ignoring because you don't want to make the effort to get it.

Whine, cry and stomp your feet all you like, the ship is tied to the RAF program. Do the work to invite 5 new subscribers and you'll have it.

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This is a statement born of such flippant ignorance of the situation that I'm not even going to bother to respond.
It irritates me that some people really think like this. Then again some people still believe in the Tooth Fairy.

Comon man, it is someone elses view on the marketability of said product to get people to refer. Sure, disagree with it, but seriously gets you angry? He's not advocating against morals, taboos or the importance of life...

He's giving his opinion that he thinks that it is a nice move that the Galaxy-X is a bonus item for getting people to join the game.

Disagree if you'd like, but no need to get nasty about it.

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And yet you did respond. Amazing how that works.

I responded to mock the statement, not to seriously respond to the "argument", such as it is.
You really need to get up to date with internet debate methods.

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Comon man, it is someone elses view on the marketability of said product to get people to refer. Sure, disagree with it, but seriously gets you angry? He's not advocating against morals, taboos or the importance of life...

He's giving his opinion that he thinks that it is a nice move that the Galaxy-X is a bonus item for getting people to join the game.

Disagree if you'd like, but no need to get nasty about it.

The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.
Either way he loses any and all respectability.

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I responded to mock the statement, not to seriously respond to the "argument", such as it is.
You really need to get up to date with internet debate methods.


I am well versed in internet debate methods I was simply trying to tell a joke. Focus your anger at Cryptic instead of lashing out at everyone who has a different opinion than yours.

The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.
Either way he loses any and all respectability.

Him or Cryptic? You're really starting to make this way to personal.

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I am well versed in internet debate methods I was simply trying to tell a joke. Focus your anger at Cryptic instead of lashing out at everyone who has a different opinion than yours.

The problem here is telling Cryptic what they want to hear is a very dangerous thing to do at this point.
If "management are aware" we need to be united against this kind of cynical shilling, and people posting just to be contrary or to support Cryptic no matter what are not helping.

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Him or Cryptic? You're really starting to make this way to personal.

My point is there's no way ANYONE in good conscience can think this is a good idea.
Pyramid schemes are a detestable form of business in any medium.

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The problem here is telling Cryptic what they want to hear is a very dangerous thing to do at this point.
If "management are aware" we need to be united against this kind of cynical shilling, and people posting just to be contrary or to support Cryptic no matter what are not helping.
Unfortunately that is their right. Trampling upon that right is something that no one has the moral right to do.

My point is there's no way ANYONE in good conscience can think this is a good idea.
Pyramid schemes are a detestable form of business in any medium.

And yet it is an MMO industry standard.

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Unfortunately that is their right. Trampling upon that right is something that no one has the moral right to do.

I have no right to silence them, no.
I do have a right to yell at them, though.

And yet it is an MMO industry standard.

Not to this degree, and not with such a high stakes item.
It's also a terrible standard.

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The "do the work and get the ship" part is what bothers me, since it means he either has no idea what the work entails, or genuinely thinks that doing marketing's job for them 5 times (again, this isn't referral, it requires a retail purchase and a 1 month sub, that's MARKETING) is a good idea.

Either way he loses any and all respectability.

I know exactly what that entails.

"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.

Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".

Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.

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I know exactly what that entails.

"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.

Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".

Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.

You're unbelievable. Laziness? I'd have a hard time getting 5 people to look at STO, let alone buy the game and subscribe for one month!
What do you expect people like me to do? Go door to door advertising the game? What? That's not word of mouth, that's being a salesman!

And what about people who already got friends to play STO? I guess they're lazy too right?

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Pyramid schemes are a detestable form of business in any medium.

You've totally no idea what you're talking about.

Pyramid Scheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme);

A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, without any product or service being delivered.

Since STO itself is the product/service being delivered, how is this a "pyramid scheme"? Anyone joining via the RAF program will be able to access and play the game.

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The point that Lt. Expenable is making (and I agree with to a point) is that you are saying that you should do actual work to get the most prized ship in the game.

Effectively, you are paid $4 per person (400 cryptic points) for every person you actively recruit. Once you make $20 they will give you a unique ship to command as well.

Here is the problem: you are making $4 per person, but you are still paying them $15 every month for bug fixes, new content, ships, weapons etc.

So basically what Expendable finds appalling (and I now do myself after thinking about it) is that we have to pay them money each month and recruit people in order to get access to the most advanced ship/content in the game. This isn't through the C-store for $5. It is not through our monthly fee and a rare reward for finishing a STF...it's through a referal program....the most advanced ship/content in the game....let that sink in.

P.S. Lt. Expendable: correct me if my interpretation of this basis is incorrect...after reading your previous posts this is the summary I came up with based on that. After creating the summary though I find that I have changed my position on this RAF matter....I should be payed much more for my out of game time.

Thank you.

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I have no right to silence them, no.
I do have a right to yell at them, though.

No argument from me there.

Not to this degree, and not with such a high stakes item.
It's also a terrible standard.

Unfortunately, as President JFK and so many others have put it, life is not fair. The standard is what the standard is. And you know who made it the standard? It wasn't WoW, or Eve, or SWG or any of the companies that run those games. It was the customers who went along with it who made the practice the standard that it is in the industry today.

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I know exactly what that entails.

"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.

Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".

Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.

if you dont have five friends who like mmo's or star trek, then you cant. nothing to do with being lazy its just impossible to complete

if you do have friends but have already recommended them then they no longer count towards your five.

if you do recommend five people but all five chose not to sub then again you cant do anything about it

its not a case of effort, its a case of practicality

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Unfortunately, as President JFK and so many others have put it, life is not fair. The standard is what the standard is. And you know who made it the standard? It wasn't WoW, or Eve, or SWG or any of the companies that run those games. It was the customers who went along with it who made the practice the standard that it is in the industry today.

You may have a point. However I played WoW before this referral nonsense came up.
Here, now, in STO, I and many many others say clearly: We will not stand for it.

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The growing threadnaught about this says no (and so do I)

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I know exactly what that entails.

"Do the work" is you go out and find 5 other people who would be interested in playing STO and becoming a subscriber to the game. Those 5 people will need to purchase a retail copy of the game in addition to paying at least 1 months worth of subscription fees.

Word of mouth can be a very effective means of promoting a product. Most every business out there uses it and has promotions that involve their customers helping to "spread the word".

Laziness and an unwillingness to do what is required to get something you want is not a justifiable excuse. If you want it, earn it. They have told you how, you just need to put forth the effort.

On the flip side, good word of mouth has to be worked for and earned.

As it is, neither Cryptic or this game has positive word of mouth right now. Because neither have earned it. This game is NOT anywhere close to the standards of a post-release AAA, A, or even "Solid B+" MMO title. Over half the game is missing. True, they plan to add what is missing, but it's going to take at least the rest of this year.

To have to resort to such a cynical marketing gimmick with an exclusive alpha class ship as an inducement speaks volumes about the character (as in lack thereof) of the management at Cryptic. It screams "Our CEO used to work for John Smedley at SOE" (which is actually true).

The NGE proved that marketing, packaging, and spin cannot overcome genuine negative word of mouth.

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vote casted..

Hopefully the devs can see this Thread/POLL and think twice of what the consumer wants..

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No argument from me there.



Unfortunately, as President JFK and so many others have put it, life is not fair. The standard is what the standard is. And you know who made it the standard? It wasn't WoW, or Eve, or SWG or any of the companies that run those games. It was the customers who went along with it who made the practice the standard that it is in the industry today.

The industry today?

Micro-transactions of this level are actually rather experimental in the U.S. for fee-based MMO's. I would actually venture to say that the profitability of STO will determine the viability of said market strategy. "Going where no business has gone before" if you will.

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Well in the stages of grief I have achieved the bargaining stage. As long as the admiral 5.5 ships are as capable in a slugfest with a Galaxy-X then I am OK with it. If on the other hand the Galaxy-X is OP vs the 5.5 ships then the Galaxy-X should be made available through at least one other channel other than the recruit a friend path.

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You're unbelievable. Laziness? I'd have a hard time getting 5 people to look at STO, let alone buy the game and subscribe for one month!

Ok, so? How is this Cryptic's fault?

What do you expect people like me to do? Go door to door advertising the game? What? That's not word of mouth, that's being a salesman!

I won't tell you what you should do at all. You are the one who needs to come up with a way to get what you want.

In a way, yes it is being a salesman. That's why you'd be rewarded with C-Store points and the Galaxy X class ship! Your effort would be rewarded. What part of that do you not understand?

And what about people who already got friends to play STO? I guess they're lazy too right?

On this part, I agree with you 100%. Personally, I believe this should apply to those who have already invited other via trial keys and refer a buddy program. It seems as if that won't be the case and I do find that unfair, but that's life for you.

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You may have a point. However I played WoW before this referral nonsense came up.
Here, now, in STO, I and many many others say clearly: We will not stand for it.

But it eventually did come up, and it became the standard because of those who supported it by going out and getting friends, or creating extra accounts that fall under these types of programs.

You and many others may not like it, and may not even stand for it, and I wish you luck in trying to change this decision. However I have a feeling that this programs is going to be a huge success and I would be very surprised if any change comes out of it.

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As it is, neither Cryptic or this game has positive word of mouth right now. Because neither have earned it. This game is NOT anywhere close to the standards of a post-release AAA, A, or even "Solid B+" MMO title.

In your opinion.

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How did you vote Nagus?

I voted "no". Not because I personally want the ship, but because I think Cryptic should listen to their customers.

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Ok, so? How is this Cryptic's fault?

It's their fault for cynically using a gameplay item that a lot of people want instead of making the game appeal through word of mouth on it's own.

I won't tell you what you shoudl do at all. You are the one who needs to come up with a way to get what you want.

Players should never have to go to this kind of length to gain access to A CANON SHIP.

In a way, yes it is being a salesman. That's why you'd be rewarded with C-Store points and the Galaxy X class ship! Your effort would be rewarded. What part of that do you not understand?

That kind of effort is usually reward with a job, a paycheck and medical insurance.


On this part, I agree with you 100%. Personally, I believe this should apply to those who have already invited other via trial keys and refer a buddy program. It seems as if that won't be the case and I do find that unfair, but that's life for you.

The entire system is unfair. And no, we're not standing for it.
Once again we don't object to incentives for referrals. Of course there have to be. But the Galaxy X is the wrong incentive. Period.

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In your opinion.

Sure, in my opinion.

Have you ever played a MMORPG that had less for you to do at maximum level than this one?

Even the NGE had more content than this.

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In your opinion.

That is a given any time a human being speaks, so pointing that out is only stating the blatantly obvious, not some kind of counter point.

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it would be nice if cryptic just said it will be available to everybody later

but they cant because then nobody would bother with the referral program

im convinced it will be made available to everybody down the line, they just cant say it yet

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it would be nice if cryptic just said it will be available to everybody later

but they cant because then nobody would bother with the referral program

im convinced it will be made available to everybody down the line, they just cant say it yet

Ironic what little confidence they have in the game they now expect us to sell for them.

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I am torn. And I voted "no, it should be available through other means as well"

Many of you have many things to say and I am intrigued by most of them.
Exclusive to the referral program? I see the merits:
-People will find more creative ways to get their friends to join
-Some will buy more copies of the game and have multiple accounts. (poor personal financial choice, I think, but if that is what they want to do, it IS their money)
-Some will miss out, which makes the reward all the sweeter for those who have it

I also, however, see the downsides:
-some don't have that many friends; much less that many who will join
-some can't afford multiple accounts
-some will miss out, which will anger those who don't have it and want it
-there are other marketing areas that could benefit from this "exclusive", such as those who market STO on their personal websites or a high priced item on the C-store

Not everyone is going to be happy with EITHER decision, and Cryptic is NOT going to lose it's player base for STO simply because of this. Regardless of how much they listen to the players, they still have the final say in how they run their business, which includes all decisions regarding STO. I vote, make it available in other ways. If Cryptic listens to me and others like me, SWEET! If Cryptic does not, I will be sad and move on. I will, regardless, not stop playing STO nor will I stop trying to get my friends to play it.

I WANT THAT SHIP!!!!

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it would be nice if cryptic just said it will be available to everybody later

but they cant because then nobody would bother with the referral program

im convinced it will be made available to everybody down the line, they just cant say it yet

I think they'd be better putting this down to a bad marketing idea and coming up with something better.

Stick the Galaxy-X in the C-Store and give RAF either a chunk more C-points or some gametime for 5 (along with the title).

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Ironic what little confidence they have in the game they now expect us to sell for them.

A good product sells itself. Only bad products need armies of marketers to bamboozle people into purchasing them.

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Sure, in my opinion.

Have you ever played a MMORPG that had less for you to do at maximum level than this one?

Even the NGE had more content than this.

Honestly, I wouldn't go that far. The NGE is in a league of its own. It litteraly had zero content. Not some, zero...for months and this is a game that had already been out for years.

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As a lifer I can't vote with my sub.
But if this goes ahead unchanged, I probably will stop playing, and even if I don't I will never buy any cryptic points, ever.
I'll do my part to protest and not give Cryptic a dime more of my money if they choose to treat me like this.

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More than likely this is going to go ahead unchanged. I just see this program being a huge success and money maker for Cryptic simply because of all the outrage this one item is causing

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More than likely this is going to go ahead unchanged. I just see this program being a huge success and money maker for Cryptic simply because of all the outrage this one item is causing

It will be a temporary success at most.
Again, WoW has a massive established playerbase and metric tons of content. It can get away with such schemes.
STO can't afford to alienate it's existing playerbase, and this program as it is now will do exactly that.

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A good product sells itself. Only bad products need armies of marketers to bamboozle people into purchasing them.

everything uses marketing and tries to encourage people to spread the word, regardless of whether its is good or bad.

regardless of whether we agree with the use of the galaxy X or not this is a common place to try and get people to refer friends. let us not see conspiracies where none exist

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even me as a fairly equal person is flat out against a ship class being available to one small group of people only.

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It's their fault for cynically using a gameplay item that a lot of people want instead of making the game appeal through word of mouth on it's own.

It is your personal opinion that the game would not appeal to someone else through word of mouth. You're making a supposition without even trying to do what is required, and you are doing this because you don't want to put forth the minimal amount of effort to do what will be necessary to get this item.

That kind of effort is usually reward with a job, a paycheck and medical insurance.

I was able to locate 2 people here at work who are Trek fans and told them about this program. I had asked them both if they would not mind giving the game a try for a month and helping me get the ship. I also mentioned it to a friend of mine who will try the game and help me out as well. I should get a paycheck and medical insurance for two minutes worth of conversation?

The entire system is unfair. And no, we're not standing for it.

But it's not unfair. Those who will put forth the effort will be rewarded. Why should you get the same thing easily when they put the time and effort in to getting it?

Have you ever played a MMORPG that had less for you to do at maximum level than this one?

Yes, I have. Six years ago, City of Heroes launched with next to zero maximum level content. Six years later, it is still very light on maximum level content. Only now, six years after launch, are they added in an "Incarnate" system via a paid expansion that is designed to be "endgame" content.

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I don't have a lot of friends that play MMO's so its hard for me to recruit new players. Since this is really the first MMO I've played for an extended period of time I can't refer anyone that I've met here since everyone is already playing the game. As a player that is always spending points in the C-Store, I'd like to have the ability to earn the Galaxy-X in some other way than through recruiting since earning it that way would seem to limit the number of players that will have the ship.

Of course if that is Cryptic's plan, similar to how the Captain's Table or Borg Captain worked, then I don't reallly like that. I know a lot of the players that paid the extra for those perks might be upset by that statement but the reality is this, with MMO's "exclusive" items become less and less exclusive as time goes by. I'm not saying the Galaxy-X (or the Captain's Table and Borg Captain for that matter) should become available for all right away as that would destroy the intended purpose of the reward (to build subscription numbers through word of mouth and referral), but one day down the road I'd like to see all the "exclusives" available for all.

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It will be a temporary success at most.
Again, WoW has a massive established playerbase and metric tons of content. It can get away with such schemes.
STO can't afford to alienate it's existing playerbase, and this program as it is now will do exactly that.

This will be a "parasitic" success at most. A handful of hardcore fanbois will shell out the cash to get this for themselves, we will get few real new subscribers. In the long run they will lose more money than they gain from people disgusted by giving out an alpha class ship via this method.

Also, there will be diminishing returns every time they return to this well. And they will. This is only the initial gambit.

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It will be a temporary success at most.
Again, WoW has a massive established playerbase and metric tons of content. It can get away with such schemes.
STO can't afford to alienate it's existing playerbase, and this program as it is now will do exactly that.

I wasn't referring to WoW, I was just making an observation. Another thing to take note of is how most people are going to learn, or have learned about this program. A majority of the player base does not come to the forums, and more than likely have heard about this program from that nice little e-mail that cryptic sent out a couple of days ago. They are not going to see the outrage on forums, some of them may be ticked off, and probably a vast majority are going to look at that add, look at the ship it's going to give out and think, "I'm going to get that ship and do what I have to get it." That's why it's going to be a success.

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It is your personal opinion that the game would not appeal to someone else through word of mouth. You're making a supposition without even trying to do what is required, and you are doing this because you don't want to put forth the minimal amount of effort to do what will be necessary to get this item.

Minimal effort? What?
Gaining the equivalent revenue of $200 is minimal effort?

I was able to locate 2 people here at work who are Trek fans and told them about this program. I had asked them both if they would not mind giving the game a try for a month and helping me get the ship. I also mentioned it to a friend of mine who will try the game and help me out as well. I should get a paycheck and medical insurance for two minutes worth of conversation?

So coincidentally you know people who like MMOs/Star Trek enough to give it a try.
Good for you. Guess what? I know precisely 0 people who like MMOs/Star Trek or aren't already fully occupied with WoW or some such. I guess that makes me "lazy".

By the way, since you did in fact convince these people to PAY MONEY to sub for the game, or at least have a chance of doing so, you are in fact a salesman. Hate to break it to you.



But it's not unfair. Those who will put forth the effort will be rewarded. Why should you get the same thing easily when they put the time and effort in to getting it?

Don't patronize me. It's simply asking too much.
I note that even you with your story of "minimal effort" only got 3 people interested. The requirement is 5 subbers.

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I certainly understand marketing. You want to get more subs and more box sales. I understand rewarding people for this and rewards like Cryptic Points or free game time only make sense.

What I do not understand are people who love the idea that certain things should just be restricted in rediculous ways. We aren't talking about making an item a reward for completing an STF mission arc. That would require people who want the item to learn some new tactics and start working on it.

We are talking about getting 5 people to buy the game and sign up beyond the first month, during a time in its life cycle where there isn't anything to do beyond the first month. Certain people have been posting about how it only takes just a few minutes of conversation to do this and how it isn't hard and that we just don't want to put the work in. I call shenanigans. This same mentality supposes we ALL exist in the same situation. It isn't remotely realistic.

I could get my wife to sign up so I could get the holographic officer. That sounds kind of cool. I had already gotten my brother to sign up in beta. With this game so content light, I don't think my friends would think very highly of me if I badgered them into getting the game, and basically letting cryptic charge their credit card for a month worth of time they won't use.

On the other hand, if this game had a bunch of stuff to do at any given level, and iconic planets were treated as mission hubs that had maybe 50 to 60 missions and the planet was a large landmass instead of what feels like a shoebox, I wouldn't mind pimping this game, because it would rock.

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Minimal effort? What?
Gaining the equivalent revenue of $200 is minimal effort?

For many it is only a day or two of work. But even so, Cryptic should listen to their customers regardless of the amount of money or effort in question.

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This will be a "parasitic" success at most. A handful of hardcore fanbois will shell out the cash to get this for themselves, we will get few real new subscribers. In the long run they will lose more money than they gain from people disgusted by giving out an alpha class ship via this method.

You really don't know that though. No one knows what the success/failure will be. Only time will tell that.

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No.

Option 1: It becomes available via another means

Option 2: Cryptic come out with the next generation of ships at the same time this thing becomes available.

As it is, this Galaxy-X is part of that next generation and will be until the rest of us can get the rest. That is both unfair and tipping extremely close to unbalanced.

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By the way, since you did in fact convince these people to PAY MONEY to sub for the game, or at least have a chance of doing so, you are in fact a salesman. Hate to break it to you.

I understand that completely. And that's why if I am able to help bring in 5 subscribers, I will be rewarded with C-Store points and an in-game item. Those who choose to participate in it will be rewarded for their efforts. The RAF program is not "something for nothing".

Don't patronize me. It's simply asking too much. I note that even you with your story of "minimal effort" only got 3 people interested. The requirement is 5 subbers.

"Too much" is a matter of personal opinion. I've no real problem at least trying to find 5 new subscribers.

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Ironic what little confidence they have in the game they now expect us to sell for them.

WoW has a RAF program, the reward for it is the only flying mount in the game capable of carrying a passenger. By your statement, Blizzard has no confidence in their game, because they want players to Refer a Friend to play, and then reward them with an exclusive 'ship' not available anywhere else.

RAF is good, rewards for RAF are good, especially if they are something you want.

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I understand that completely. And that's why if I am able to help bring in 5 subscribers, I will be rewarded with C-Store points and an in-game item. Those who choose to participate in it will be rewarded for their efforts. The RAF program is not "something for nothing".

Am I saying there shouldn't be a referral program and rewards?
No. I'm saying the Galaxy X is simply too much, too unbalancing.


"Too much" is a matter of personal opinion. I've no real problem at least trying to find 5 new
subscribers.

Before it was "3 people interested" and now it's "5 subscribers"?
Okay man, whatever you say.

Moreover, this isn't all about you. I'm sure some people won't have trouble getting 5 subbers. I AM NOT ONE OF THEM. I LITERALLY KNOW NOBODY WHO'D BE INTERESTED IN GOING THAT FAR.
Therefore I should miss out on a canon ship design and new gameplay element? Oh right I must be "lazy"/

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WoW has a RAF program, the reward for it is the only flying mount in the game capable of carrying a passenger. By your statement, Blizzard has no confidence in their game, because they want players to Refer a Friend to play, and then reward them with an exclusive 'ship' not available anywhere else.

Did Blizzard do it only 4-5 months after release?
Is a flying mount a game changing element? Because there aren't in game ways to gain flying mounts? Oh wait, there are!

RAF is good, rewards for RAF are good, especially if they are something you want.

Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself, there.

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WoW has a RAF program, the reward for it is the only flying mount in the game capable of carrying a passenger. By your statement, Blizzard has no confidence in their game, because they want players to Refer a Friend to play, and then reward them with an exclusive 'ship' not available anywhere else.

RAF is good, rewards for RAF are good, especially if they are something you want.

It took Blizzard 5 years and 11 million subs to pull that. I will let you do the math for here.... :rolleyes:

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Did Blizzard do it only 4-5 months after release?
Is a flying mount a game changing element? Because there aren't in game ways to gain flying mounts? Oh wait, there are!

Fine, show me the in game method in WoW to obtain a flying mount capable of carrying a passenger. Go ahead, I'll wait.



Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself, there.

And you sound like you're mad at Cryptic because you don't have any friends, so that those of us with friends are at some unfair advantage over you.

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It took Blizzard 5 years and 11 million subs to pull that. I will let you do the math for here.... :rolleyes:

Blizzard's RAF rewards for WoW have always been 'exclusive' to the RAF program, with no other way to obtain the reward (for WoW, a mount, for STO a Shio). It keeps the reward semi-unique and lets you know that the 'owner' of that reward did the RAF thing to bring people in (or, to power level a second account, but even that counts as a new subscriber).

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Fine, show me the in game method in WoW to obtain a flying mount capable of carrying a passenger. Go ahead, I'll wait.

That's a gimmick if I ever saw one. Really, how often are you going to carry someone else on your own mount?
Passenger mounts were almost standard in SWG and guess what? NOBODY USED THEM FOR THAT.

The Galaxy X on the other hand is not a gimmick. It has unique gameplay features for Feds, its a specific type of ship people have asked for since beta, it's supposed to be the first of a new generation of t5s.
It should NOT be exclusive.


And you sound like you're mad at Cryptic because you don't have any friends, so that those of us with friends are at some unfair advantage over you.

Oh you really had to go there just to show what kind of person you are, didn't you?
Because of course, knowing no people who are willing to spend their money to get me a special item means I have no friends.
Good god, I am done talking with you.

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Oh good grief people this isn't that hard to figure out. The managment has already seen how people will buy the game multiple times just for some dinky little reward. There is an ongoing thread of players begging for stuff to be added to the C-store, no mention to just add it as a mattter of course. How is it even remotely suprising they would do this when given that kind of stimuli?

Nothing in this game is ever going to be free because when it was released people spent way too much money on the trivial stuff. The fact that the game no longer has that kind of following isn't going to penetrate their minds.

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Am I saying there shouldn't be a referral program and rewards?
No. I'm saying the Galaxy X is simply too much, too unbalancing.

Again, "too much" is an opinion. I'm certain there are those out there who feel C-Store points for each is "too much" as well. And since no exact details have been provided on what the final ship will be... how is it "unbalancing"?

Before it was "3 people interested" and now it's "5 subscribers"?
Okay man, whatever you say.

Read the reply again. "I've no real problem at least trying to find 5 new subscribers." This does not say how many people I have already contacted about it. It says that I don't have a problem trying to find 5 others to try the game for a month.

Moreover, this isn't all about you.

Nor is it all about you.

I'm sure some people won't have trouble getting 5 subbers.

And they should be rewarded for their efforts. If they can do it, so can you.

I AM NOT ONE OF THEM. I LITERALLY KNOW NOBODY WHO'D BE INTERESTED IN GOING THAT FAR. Therefore I should miss out on a canon ship design and new gameplay element? Oh right I must be "lazy"/

You don't have any friends or family to ask. Everyone understands that. All of my gaming friends are already playing STO too.

There is also nothing stopping you, me or anyone else from coming up with a way to find 5 others whom we may not know already to try the game. Yes, you absolutely should miss out on something you want if you are unwilling to try to do what is required to get it. They've told you how to earn it. If you want it, go out and do it.

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That's a gimmick if I ever saw one. Really, how often are you going to carry someone else on your own mount?
Passenger mounts were almost standard in SWG and guess what? NOBODY USED THEM FOR THAT.

The Galaxy X on the other hand is not a gimmick. It has unique gameplay features for Feds, its a specific type of ship people have asked for since beta, it's supposed to be the first of a new generation of t5s.
It should NOT be exclusive.

And the RAF rocket has unique gameplay elements that people have been asking for since flying mounts were introduced in WoW. While you may consider it a gimmick, others don't.. And I've seen lots of people using their passenger mounts to carry...wait for it... passengers.


Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it a gimmick.

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There is also nothing stopping you, me or anyone else from coming up with a way to find 5 others whom we may not know already to try the game. Yes, you absolutely should miss out on something you want if you are unwilling to try to do what is required to get it. They've told you how to earn it. If you want it, go out and do it.

So, you think I should go up to complete strangers and sell them STO for Cryptic.
You know what? I give up. I hope you enjoy the hollow game full of multiple sub rich kids and bored one-month subscribers that result from this mess. I know I won't.

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Frankly, it should be a semi-exclusive item. Exclusive in the RA5 program but earnable with a lot of hard work as well. Should not be easy to get. The point of the program is to get new players.....NOT give new items to players.

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Blizzard's RAF rewards for WoW have always been 'exclusive' to the RAF program, with no other way to obtain the reward (for WoW, a mount, for STO a Shio). It keeps the reward semi-unique and lets you know that the 'owner' of that reward did the RAF thing to bring people in (or, to power level a second account, but even that counts as a new subscriber).

Before this it ONLY offered free time. I know because I recruited. 5 years later they do things like that because lets face it WOW is coming up to its last expansion. Other offers included mounts on board games and such which never really bothere anyone since the amountof items outside the game was minascule to non existent compared to the things you got for your sub.

I understand were you coming from but STO is light years away from that standard. Yet they keep provoking people time and again with heists like this one from day one. I know no company that has caused more outrage on its community than STO in 3 months. They can blame it on the community being too "excited" all they want. Its their fault entirely for making decisions that lead to this. I have no sympathy for supposedly professionals who claim to be right for the job. I am surprised CBS hasn't slapped them in the face with all the negative publicity they are generating.

Don't get me wrong though. The game is not without merit. But they PR decisions will most likely seal its fate.

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That's a gimmick if I ever saw one. Really, how often are you going to carry someone else on your own mount?
Passenger mounts were almost standard in SWG and guess what? NOBODY USED THEM FOR THAT.


Just to interject here. My guild used them quite a bit. I know several others who did as well. Passenger mounts in SWG, that is.

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So, you think I should go up to complete strangers and sell them STO for Cryptic.

I won't tell you what you should do one way or the other. It's up to you to decide if/how you want to go about getting the rewards for the RAF program.

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I won't tell you what you should do one way or the other. It's up to you to decide if/how you want to go about getting the rewards for the RAF program.

Which part of impossible has trouble penetrating that wall of smugness you have going?
Again, I hope you enjoy the wasteland that results from this and Cryptic's future nickel and dime policies.

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Which part of impossible has trouble penetrating that wall of smugness you have going?
Again, I hope you enjoy the wasteland that results from this and Cryptic's future nickel and dime policies.

And again, what part of just because you can't do it, doesn't mean others can, and should be rewarded for it? It is not Cryptic's fault, nor anyone else's here, that you are unable to refer 5 people to the game.

Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it should be taken away from those who can.

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And again, what part of just because you can't do it, doesn't mean others can, and should be rewarded for it? It is not Cryptic's fault, nor anyone else's here, that you are unable to refer 5 people to the game.

Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it should be taken away from those who can.

I'm not taking anything away, I'm simply saying that an iconic ship and unique gameplay element should not be a part of that exclusivity.

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Which part of impossible has trouble penetrating that wall of smugness you have going?

Insults, flaming and trolling doesn't change the fact that no part of the RAF program is "impossible" for you or anyone else. You have options available to you to get this ship if it is so important to you. Go out and do it.

What appears to be impossible is getting a select few willing to do something that takes effort to get something they want instead of whining. Others will earn this through the RAF program and they deserve to be rewarded with it. If you want to be among those people, do what you need to to earn it.

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If Cryptic have any regard for their players at all, they will change their decision on this.


Listening to the players and holding them in regard is not the same as satisfying every whim they might conceive. When I browse the threads of players who want changes the listening/respect/future success of STO/doomed if you don't arguments are trotted out in one form or another. Listening means Cryptic receives and understand the feedback. Agreement is in no way guaranteed.

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Insults, flaming and trolling doesn't change the fact that no part of the RAF program is "impossible" for you or anyone else. You have options available to you to get this ship if it is so important to you. Go out and do it.

I am not insulting, I am noting that you are patronizing me, and being smug.
We should not have to go to such lengths for this ship. Not *this* ship.

What appears to be impossible is getting a select few willing to do something that takes effort to get something they want instead of whining. Others will earn this through the RAF program and they deserve to be rewarded with it. If you want to be among those people, do what you need to to earn it.

And there you are patronizing me again. I can't get people to do something they don't want to do. Period. A lot of people can't. The fact that you can is good for you and only you.
And I very much doubt that you can, since you've changed your story at least twice.

The Galaxy X needs to be earned in game, not through this. You can have your holocrew, free c-points and other stuff. I don't care. But leave the ship out of it.

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I'm not taking anything away, I'm simply saying that an iconic ship and unique gameplay element should not be a part of that exclusivity.

which translates into 'take it away from the people who can refer 5 friends'.

It's a ship from another timeline, it should not be everywhere, limiting it via RAF is a win-win solution. Cryptic gets more subscribers, and the people who refer people get a 'rare' ship as their reward.

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No, there should always be more than one way to get an ingame goodie.

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which translates into 'take it away from the people who can refer 5 friends'.

No, because they still get the other rewards, and if it's obtainable in-game they can get it too.

It's a ship from another timeline, it should not be everywhere, limiting it via RAF is a win-win solution. Cryptic gets more subscribers, and the people who refer people get a 'rare' ship as their reward.

OH you mean like Liberated Borgs and Joined Trills are supposed to be rare and yet they're all over the place?
It's a game. Who cares if everybody has it if they've earned it in-game.
The people who've *sold* the game to 5 people deserve rewards, and they'll get them, but the ship is too much. It HAS angered many people and we will NOT stand for it.

If you can smugly sit there and take it, fine. When this game becomes a complete ghost town, don't say we didn't warn you.

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I am not insulting ...

Which part of impossible has trouble penetrating that wall of smugness you have going?

That's flaming/trolling/insulting.

I can't get people to do something they don't want to do. Period.

Who is asking you to? Show us in the RAF information provided so far where Cryptic has encouraged you to go out and force people into playing STO if they don't want to. Can you make the effort to try and find 5 people who might be interested and might be willing to help? Absolutely you can.

A lot of people can't. The fact that you can is good for you and only you.

A lot of people can and will be able to find 5 recruits and they should be rewarded for doing so. Cryptic has decided the Galaxy X will be that reward, along with C-Store points and some other in-game perks.

And I very much doubt that you can, since you've changed your story at least twice.

Show me where I've "changed my story". I said I had already contacted 3 people about it, then went on to say I have no problem at least trying to find 5 people to buy the game and subscribe for a month. Those 3 people I mentioned it to are part of the overall effort of finding 5 new recruits.

The Galaxy X needs to be earned in game, not through this. You can have your holocrew, free c-points and other stuff. I don't care. But leave the ship out of it.

And anyone who is willing to put forth the effort to recruit 5 new subscribers has every right to say "The Galaxy X SHOULD NOT be earned in game because we put forth the required effort to get it. Those who didn't should not be able to get it."

No, because they still get the other rewards, and if it's obtainable in-game they can get it too.

Thereby defeating the entire purpose of the RAF program. The Galaxy X is the big carrott on the end of the stick. If you want it, go out and earn it.

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I have no issues with certain items being exclusive......Unlike the general populace, I dont have an over grown sense of entiltlement.

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No, because they still get the other rewards, and if it's obtainable in-game they can get it too.



OH you mean like Liberated Borgs and Joined Trills are supposed to be rare and yet they're all over the place?
It's a game. Who cares if everybody has it if they've earned it in-game.
The people who've *sold* the game to 5 people deserve rewards, and they'll get them, but the ship is too much. It HAS angered many people and we will NOT stand for it.

If you can smugly sit there and take it, fine. When this game becomes a complete ghost town, don't say we didn't warn you.


I will stand for it, and I'll cheer if it'll make you feel better, I think the Galaxy X is a good reward for RAF, it's wanted, which will encourage some people who might otherwise be on the fence about using the RAF and making sure the referred person's account is 'linked' to the referee's account, to do so.

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i think that 5 people is too much, in CO you have to recruit 2 to get both rewards, this offer should be inline with that.

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I agree, it should remain exclusive. This ship should not be available to just anyone with cash to blow ingame. It was never an official ship-- it was a "what-if" ship of an Alternate timeline, not to mention it was one of a kind! Admiral Riker had to pull strings to get it refitted, as he mentioned in the episode.. "One of the perks of being an Admiral".

If you guys want it that bad, then Recruit some people and inject some fresh blood into the game. I know I'm definitely going to try and recruit a bunch of people so I can get the rewards.

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I have no issues with certain items being exclusive......Unlike the general populace, I dont have an over grown sense of entiltlement.

QFT

Just because it's cool, in the game (in the sense that it exists), and you want it, doesn't mean you get it.

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That's flaming/trolling/insulting.

No, that's pointing out that you are smug.


Who is asking you to? Show us in the RAF information provided so far where Cryptic has encouraged you to go out and force people into playing STO if they don't want to. Can you make the effort to try and find 5 people who might be interested and might be willing to help? Absolutely you can.

No, I can't. A lot of people can't. I has nothing to do with effort. I cannot badger people into paying money for a service they don't want.

A lot of people can and will be able to find 5 recruits and they should be rewarded for doing so. Cryptic has decided the Galaxy X will be that reward, along with C-Store points and some other in-game perks.

And Cryptic are wrong to do this. The end.

Show me where I've "changed my story". I said I had already contacted 3 people about it, then went on to say I have no problem at least trying to find 5 people to buy the game and subscribe for a month. Those 3 people I mentioned it to are part of the overall effort of finding 5 new recruits.

You implied you already had 5 subscribers when by your own admission you don't even have 3.


And anyone who is willing to put forth the effort to recruit 5 new subscribers has every right to say "The Galaxy X SHOULD NOT be earned in game because we put forth the required effort to get it. Those who didn't should not be able to get it."

Nice elitist attitude, that's what we need to encourage!

Thereby defeating the entire purpose of the RAF program. The Galaxy X is the big carrott on the end of the stick. If you want it, go out and earn it.

How dare you sit there and dictate to me how I should earn an item I've requested since beta.

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OH you mean like Liberated Borgs and Joined Trills are supposed to be rare and yet they're all over the place?
It's a game. Who cares if everybody has it if they've earned it in-game.
The people who've *sold* the game to 5 people deserve rewards, and they'll get them, but the ship is too much. It HAS angered many people and we will NOT stand for it.

If you can smugly sit there and take it, fine. When this game becomes a complete ghost town, don't say we didn't warn you.

You're contradicting yourself, in other threads you say that you object to Cryptic's RAF plan on the basis of selling the game to other people under what you see as false pretense; and yet here you say that they should be rewarded.

It really comes down to the fact that this game is not what you originally wanted in a Star Trek MMO, and you almost sound like you're not willing to wait for it to improve. A favored ship being offered at the end of a difficult road is only the latest thing that you don't like.

If only a few people recruit enough other to get this then the program will have succeeded and STO will be better off for it, so yeah I'm fine with it. People will/are complaining about it, but at the end of the day if they like the game in general or like what's coming, then they're going to stick around.

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I agree, it should remain exclusive. This ship should not be available to just anyone with cash to blow ingame. It was never an official ship-- it was a "what-if" ship of an Alternate timeline, not to mention it was one of a kind! Admiral Riker had to pull strings to get it refitted, as he mentioned in the episode.. "One of the perks of being an Admiral".

If you guys want it that bad, then Recruit some people and inject some fresh blood into the game. I know I'm definitely going to try and recruit a bunch of people so I can get the rewards.

Thank you for fostering an elitist, shill attitude when we should be fighting against it so Cryptic keep their promise about all gameplay affecting items being available in-game.
Seriously, people like you are why this game is going down in flames.

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You're contradicting yourself, in other threads you say that you object to Cryptic's RAF plan on the basis of selling the game to other people; and yet here you say that they should be rewarded.

I object to it on principle, but it's inevitable such a system will rear it's ugly head and it will logically have rewards.

It really comes down to the fact that this game is not what you originally wanted in a Star Trek MMO, and you almost sound like you're not willing to wait for it to improve. A favored ship being offered at the end of a difficult road is only the latest thing that you don't like.

How the hell is it going to improve if Cryptic keep making decisions that critically undermine it?

If only a few people recruit enough other to get this then the program will have succeeded and STO will be better off for it, so yeah I'm fine with it. People will/are complaining about it, but at the end of the day if they like the game in general or like what's coming, then they're going to stick around.

Better off? A few new subs for a while vs. people who were willing to tough it out leaving over this?

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And Cryptic are wrong to do this. The end.



No, Cryptic are right to do this. The End.

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Better off? A few new subs for a while vs. people who were willing to tough it out leaving over this?

If the new subs that come in, exceed the quantity of those that actually quit (as opposed to those that threaten to quit, but never do). Then yes, the game is better off.

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Thank you for fostering an elitist, shill attitude when we should be fighting against it so Cryptic keep their promise about all gameplay affecting items being available in-game.
Seriously, people like you are why this game is going down in flames.

What's your problem? I just stated my opinion and you chew me out for being an "elitist" and having a "shill attitude"? I think you need to cool off; this is just a forum and a game, not a battleground. Find some people to recruit and "save" this game that's "going down in flames".

I'm not the one lighting the matches.

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I object to it on principle

I assume you're taking the stance that says, "I don't like the fact that we're recruiting to a game, but if you're going to do it then there should be rewards"

If that's so then fair enough, to each their own.

How the hell is it going to improve if Cryptic keep making decisions that critically undermine it?

How does a decision like making a ship, seen just one-time under special circumstances in the show, exclusive constitute a critical and undermining error?

Better off? A few new subs for a while vs. people who were willing to tough it out leaving over this?

Honestly, who is really going to quit over this? There will probably be four or five people who claim on the forums that they are quitting but they will just lay low with their accounts active and pop back up a few days later.

This will seriously blow over.

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Sorry if this has been said, but I'm not wading through 19 pages of thread to see :)

You forgot the option for "No, the Galaxy Abomination should not be made available, ever, to anyone, for any reason."

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No, I can't. A lot of people can't. I has nothing to do with effort. I cannot badger people into paying money for a service they don't want.

Again, show us in the details provided where Cryptic has asked you to "badger" anyone who is not willing to try the game? Quote it directly. I'd love to see it.

You implied you already had 5 subscribers when by your own admission you don't even have 3.

Show me where. That's not what I said at all. I said I have no problem trying to find 5 and had already contacted 3.

How dare you sit there and dictate to me how I should earn an item I've requested since beta.

And it's ok for you to dictate that others willing to work for it shouldn't have it?

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Again, show us in the details provided where Cryptic has asked you to "badger" anyone who is not willing to try the game? Quote it directly. I'd love to see it.

If I want the Galaxy X, this is what I must do.

Show me where. That's not what I said at all. I said I have no problem trying to find 5 and had already contacted 3.

If you have no problem finding 5, why have you only contacted 3?



And it's ok for you to dictate that others willing to work for it shouldn't have it?

Funny, I never said you shouldn't get it. I said it shouldn't be exclusive to you.
A shame you don't think the same of me. You do think I shouldn't get it.

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The question is misstated, IMHO.

Should there be an exclusive reward for the Referral program?

YES.

But it doesnt need to be the Galaxy-X. Just make it a variant that has an exclusive ability or appearance to whats in game already. Nothing more exclusive than the pre-order Tribble, TOS Constitution Class, etc, but EXCLUSIVE. Effort = Reward.

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I'm not even going to bother quoting people, but, I think everyone needs to calm down. At the end of the day it's just a game, and it's just a ship in a game. I see some really harsh things being posted and that will probably get the thread closed. Thread closing is the last thing that helps any kind of change or progress. So, lets relax.


The question is misstated, IMHO.

Should there be an exclusive reward for the Referral program?

YES.

But it doesnt need to be the Galaxy-X. Just make it a variant that has an exclusive ability or appearance to whats in game already. Nothing more exclusive than the pre-order Tribble, TOS Constitution Class, etc, but EXCLUSIVE. Effort = Reward.

I pretty much agree with this, if my post wasn't already clear enough. There should be some exclusive ship, but I'd rather it be some cryptic original prestige ship. I'd still want it, I'd still try to get five people to obtain it, but it wouldn't feel like a poorly executed idea.

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If the new subs that come in, exceed the quantity of those that actually quit (as opposed to those that threaten to quit, but never do). Then yes, the game is better off.

Lets see replace dedicated players who dont mind playing an ibcomplete game and have shown a willingness to put up with an incredible amount of nonsense from Cryptic. You think it evens out getting a newb who will have to go through the same trials of disgust and still in the end believe the games worth staying. Unlike the original player who is a known commodity.

Do ppl even bother thinking logically anymore. 1+1 doesnt always = 2 when yo account for variables. And noway are you gonna replace the rage quitters with new flash in the pants recruits. Nevermind exceed.

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Lets see replace dedicated players who dont mind playing an ibcomplete game and have shown a willingness to put up with an incredible amount of nonsense from Cryptic. You think it evens out getting a newb who will have to go through the same trials of disgust and still in the end believe the games worth staying. Unlike the original player who is a known commodity.

Do ppl even bother thinking logically anymore. 1+1 doesnt always = 2 when yo account for variables. And noway are you gonna replace the rage quitters with new flash in the pants recruits. Nevermind exceed.

Because never getting new people in the game is going to widen the STO playbase, how? ;)

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All-

I think it should remain exclusive. My reasons why:

- They want to encourage us to tell friends about STO by making this exclusive to the RAF program. This is called an incentive to tell your friends about STO.

- If the Galaxy ship was obtainable by other means in game, the reward for the RAF program would be useless.

- I do not like how Cryptic manages their business in a lot of respects, but this is their decision. No one DESERVES access to all exclusives. A reward is something earned for a specific task.... not earned by other tasks deemed acceptable by a player.

Sorry, that's just my perspective on it. Thanks to the OP for setting up the poll !

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Personally, I think every pre-order, DDE, et al. bonus or option should be made available to everyone at some point.

I'm 'meh' regarding the Refer-A-Friend thing. There definitely should be a reward for encouraging a friend to sub, let alone five. Maybe a free C-Store item or a previous bonus option (like a playable Borg or the TOS ship).

I'm not getting bent out of shape over the Galaxy X, though. I thought it looked slapdash, anyway. Gotta watch out for that huge third nacelle when you take the shuttle out for a spin. The spinal mount phaser was cool though. Model pics here (http://www.inpayne.com/models/agtd/agtd.html).



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If I were Cryptic, and every single person voted to give the ship away to everyone, I would still tell them all to go suck eggs.

It's a reward for recruiting new players. You want it? Go recruit some players. Sheesh.

Sense of Entitlement FTL.

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If I were Cryptic, and every single person voted to give the ship away to everyone, I would still tell them all to go suck eggs.

It's a reward for recruiting new players. You want it? Go recruit some players. Sheesh.

Sense of Entitlement FTL.

Again, well said sir.

Cryptic will add new T5 ships, Defiant, Galaxy, etc. The Galaxy X is for the referral program. Get people to sign up if you want it.

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If I were Cryptic, and every single person voted to give the ship away to everyone, I would still tell them all to go suck eggs.

If you were Cryptic and behaved that way, you would have gone out of business a long time ago :o

Sense of Entitlement FTL.

Irony FTW :D

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It's a non-pure vanity item. Give it another way to get it!

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It's a non-pure vanity item. Give it another way to get it!

It was my understanding that vanity items were not supposed to have an impact on gameplay, however it seems like this ship will.

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I think that it will be released in the c-store at some point as the promototions page says "A special ship: The Tier 5 "All Good Things" Galaxy Class".

It does not use the word exclusive, which is used against the bridge officer.

Just my two pennies....

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It was my understanding that vanity items were not supposed to have an impact on gameplay, however it seems like this ship will.

specifically if it gets the rumored cloak. Even the cannon is incredibly useful (its a high density rifle BTW)

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I really dont know what the deal over the ship is. It was ugly. And they are trying to get people to recommend STO to their friends. I guess if you want the ship so badly, go out and find 5 people to subscribe for a month.

I cant wait to see the lvl 51 ships and how to get them. Everything the devs have said has sounded really cool. The All Good Things Enterprise doesnt sound that cool and in my opinion was ugly beyond all current possible ugliness.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a7l20sa8TA skip to 5:26 and give ear to Christopher from Earth's question and Jacks response. This all has to do with balance for hardcore players and casual players. Sure the Galaxy-X controversy is not the same as a 15 year old grinding 80 hours a week but even a 15 year old grinding 80 hours a week would be hard pressed to keep up with a socially adept extrovert or a 40 year old with too much expendable income.

The cannon has a very narrow field of fire, I hope so because the Galaxy-X shown on All Good Things fired straight ahead with zero deflection like the Yamato gun in Starblazers. They are putting it on a cruiser which turns slow that is good but cruisers, especially cruisers piloted by engineers, turn faster now that turning has been moved to engines.

If it winds up like the Romulan ship from ST Nemesis and shooting the Yamato cannon is just as suicidal then I am fine with the 5 active account RAF. If on the other hand the Galaxy-X can line up shots and hit multiple targets with one shot kills with relative impunity STO will have problems.

You made promises Jack, sad thing is some of us have been loyal enough to remember them.

This has been Ray's Daily Show homage and now your moment of Rayality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OM4kyAHb4

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For the sake of argument, shouldn't someone who refers 5 active players get something pretty nifty and exclusive? If not the Galaxy X, what would you suggest?

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For the sake of argument, shouldn't someone who refers 5 active players get something pretty nifty and exclusive? If not the Galaxy X, what would you suggest?

Sure! Why not an exclusive Galaxy-X skin? Oh wait, if not. Well, anything else that's not a unique set of gameplay-affecting powers.

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I haven't often agreed with TGN here or over on the SWG boards when I saw him there. However, and I already said as much in the thread dstahl responded in, I am not happy about the particular selection for the referral program either. So, I guess I'm in agreement with him.

Putting a widely wanted item in a pyramid scheme reward system feels tacky to me; period. It is my opinion that if you are going to put something in the refer program reward it should be something Cryptic created and not something I'd say a fair amount of us want to see obtainable in a different way. Either in the C-Store or through in game means.

From the looks of it though this really is a moot argument as it sounds like management isn't even going to consider rethinking this if what I read was right. If it sticks the only thing I can say is... it better not be a limited time offer program. And you ought to at least consider rewarding backend purchasers of the CEs that got buddy passes credit for referrals in my opinion as well. Not that I think this is going to get read though. :p

Vent on people. Agree with it or not it appears the selection is at least something the entire STO community is passionate about. Probably because it's brief appearance in AGTs did what Star Trek has always done... given us hope for the future. Oddly giving the Galaxy-X a certain sentimental value to all of us who love the IP. Best way I can articulate that as I know some of you don't care either way or, in fact, didn't like the design at all.

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If it sticks the only thing I can say is... it better not be a limited time offer program.

I would like to counter with one thing:

They're already planning to lift the level cap beyond 45 in S2 and beyond 50 after that, at which point they're planning to offer T6 Galaxy, Defiant and Intrepid refits.

The AGT Enterprise is a Tier 5 ship and, even with extra powers, will be obsolete in less than a year.

Worth considering. This is one reason that, while I'm not crazy about it, it doesn't bother me more. Because it has a fairly limited window of use/value.

They could keep this program going indefinitely if you want but it doesn't change the fact that this is a Tier 5 ship being offered in a game that is planning Tier 6 ships.

So offering it for an unlimited term is pretty meaningless and being upset about not having it is something that I wouldn't put too much emotion into because, very soon, these ships will only ever be seen for vanity exhibitions like the TOS Connie.

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I'm thinking in terms of keeping it accessible in the long term for everyone basically, Leviathan99. Even if it were a T1 skin I'd have said the same.

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I would like to counter with one thing:

They're already planning to lift the level cap beyond 45 in S2 and beyond 50 after that, at which point they're planning to offer T6 Galaxy, Defiant and Intrepid refits.

The AGT Enterprise is a Tier 5 ship and, even with extra powers, will be obsolete in less than a year.

Worth considering. This is one reason that, while I'm not crazy about it, it doesn't bother me more. Because it has a fairly limited window of use/value.

They could keep this program going indefinitely if you want but it doesn't change the fact that this is a Tier 5 ship being offered in a game that is planning Tier 6 ships.

So offering it for an unlimited term is pretty meaningless and being upset about not having it is something that I wouldn't put too much emotion into because, very soon, these ships will only ever be seen for vanity exhibitions like the TOS Connie.



I dont think people want the Galaxy X because its an uber ship. They want it because they want to experience piloting it. If that can be done while keeping it in line with the latest tier even better. There is no need to neuter the Galaxy X because it is not the source of the actual issue. The promotion is. If Cryptic really listens the community then they will add another way to obtain it. If not they are putting another nail on this online coffin of theirs.

Personally I never liked the ship nor I have any intention of recruiting because I am here to play and meet new people. Not copensate for Cryptic's lack of selling points. If the game improves and gets a good reputation later (like LOTRO done) then it will need no incentives for people to join. Your population will always be proportional to the things you offer and they need to work on that alone. Gimmicks that tend to get the community splintered and dissapointed, defeat the purpose of being there in the first place.

I picked the wrong week to quit coffee :P

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I would like to counter with one thing:
<Stuff about T6 and upping level cap before year's end>

I'm not happy about the muddled messages that have been coming out about that, either. I was under the impression that after raising back to the initial cap we'd see broadening of options and increased backward-facing replay value rather than tacking on a new set of levels and another tier of ships to obsolete the ones people are mainly running around in now (and for added confusion, they're refits of older models).

It's a different issue, but still not one I'm happy about.

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It's more like 50 repeating posters who are raging to their hearts content, but I digress.

Anywho I don't think Cryptic is going to change their mind about this one. It's too good a marketing strategy and that is one very tempting carrot at the end.

I see nothing tempting about the Galaxy-X I thought it was just goofy looking to see the Enterprise with three nacelles on the show. If Cryptic wants me to start recommending this game to people, then they need to finish it first. If they would do that then there would be no need to try and bribe the players into shilling the game for them.

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Of course, we will say No. Who wants to spend around $75 for one ship?

Oh wait, we're supposed to be referring several other people so they can pay for it for us? Fat chance. :p

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... like the Yamato gun in Starblazers.

I wish someone would develop the Starblazers IP into a MMO. That would be pure awesome. :)

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I would like to see it as a mission reward, or in the c store. I referred one friend he got in with me during beta, but I doubt I could get his joining to count. My other buddies are into FPS, so they aren't coming here. That and star craft II coming out. No unless I paid for 5 friends to have a month memebership I will never get the ship and yes I really really like that one.

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Of course, we will say No. Who wants to spend around $75 for one ship?

Oh wait, we're supposed to be referring several other people so they can pay for it for us? Fat chance. :p

About $225, actually. For something with actual unique game mechanics associated with it.

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That's right. You can't just buiy 5 separate monthly memberships.

You need to buy 5 more game clients too. Crap.:mad:

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Voted :D

HUGE no for me ;)

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Sure! Why not an exclusive Galaxy-X skin? Oh wait, if not. Well, anything else that's not a unique set of gameplay-affecting powers.

Provide a link to what the final, will be in game set in stone specs are for the ship and show us where it is "gamebreaking".

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Provide a link to what the final, will be in game set in stone specs are for the ship and show us where it is "gamebreaking".

Show me where I ever used the word "gamebreaking".

Mechanical difference is what's relevant to me. We know the cannon is going to be a unique effect that can hit multiple targets in a cylinder. Its balance or lack thereof is irrelevant. The potential for it having a cloak is absurd but also, in specifics, irrelevant. The post here (http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2637012&postcount=399) points out that it will have, among other things, a weapon ability that passes through objects*.

How would you feel about a Federation starship skin being slapped on the Vo'Quv and access sold to it rather than earned in-game? That's obviously mechanically balanced (to the extent the Vo'Quv is). But it's selling off a gameplay option, which during the pre-release MT brouhaha they swore up one side and down the other they wouldn't do. Fool me, I expected them to follow the positive precedent set by CO.

*Though this isn't actually a novelty for NPCs. Yay bugs.

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Yes, keep it exclusive, at least for a while. I'm starting to see a trend here, people believing they are entitled to everything that's developed in the game with no effort involved. Not everyone has the extra cash to purchase stuff in the C-store, but they may have a circle of friends or the charisma to help sale the game and for their efforts, they get rewards.

I wouldn't be too happy right now if the Borg playable character was available right now in the C-store. That perk was my reward for being an early adopter and initial investor with a large sumn of money. But, down the road after the novalty of my Borg Caption dies, I have no issue with it being offered up for everyone.

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Mechanical difference is what's relevant to me. We know the cannon is going to be a unique effect that can hit multiple targets in a cylinder.

So what? It may only do 1 point of damage. It may have a 30 minute cooldown or use your entire power supply for 30 seconds. So it has a canon that can't be used elsewhere or changed. Big deal.

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No, there are too many loopholes, especially with those with large wallets, that make this unreasonable. Not only that but the ship *may* have potential balance issues.

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If the GalaxyX has actual game implications, then there is EVEN LESS justification to having it in the C-store, since those items are supposed to be cosmetic only, by definition.

But like the Automated Defense Turret or Red Matter Capacitor, no such guarantee was ever made for items used in other promotions.

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Maybe a way to handle this "problem" is to have exclusive offers such as the Galaxy X have a life expectancy. That is have it be exclusive to RAF for a period of time and then have another way folks can get it. Replace the exclusive offer with a new one when the previous offer expires. Rinse and repeat to keep the game evolving.

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Mechanical difference is what's relevant to me. We know the cannon is going to be a unique effect that can hit multiple targets in a cylinder. Its balance or lack thereof is irrelevant. The potential for it having a cloak is absurd but also, in specifics, irrelevant. The post here (http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2637012&postcount=399) points out that it will have, among other things, a weapon ability that passes through objects*.


It could, for all we know at this point, be identical in effect to the defense turret pre-order bonus item power wise, only not taking up a slot.

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So we make a poll on an angst filled forum of them wanting something. A small group with an opinion I don't even need to poll to know what they will say.

It doesn't matter what this forum or anyone wants. If anything your desire for it proves it is a good idea and they should keep it exclusive. The point is to generate subscribers and now they obviously have a hook to do so.

I'm sure over the life of this game there will be all sorts of ships you can get. Just be patient folks. At some point they may even retire this ship and add it to the game for purchase and put a new referal one up.

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At 348 votes, this poll represents just under 0.004% of the known player-base (100,000).

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At 348 votes, this poll represents just under 0.004% of the known player-base (100,000).

First off, cite your source for that 100,000 number, because its frankly hard to believe at this point. And second, polling organizations like Gallop and Rasmussen can accurately predict elections involving 10s of millions of people by sampling a mere 1000.

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To all those complaining about how unfair it is that a ship skin may be unavailable to you.

This man has a message for you.

http://fy.netlog.com/go/explore/videos/videoid=fi-436610


Personally, I think you should concentrate your arguments towards getting actual content in game, getting more PVE options for the dirty Klinks, and additional end-game missions instead of a silly ship skin.


And to the 12-15 people who always show up in every complaint thread, And seem to hate everything about STO, Cryptic, Star Trek and life in general:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wja9kdXHVUQ

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First off, cite your source for that 100,000 number, because its frankly hard to believe at this point. And second, polling organizations like Gallop and Rasmussen can accurately predict elections involving 10s of millions of people by sampling a mere 1000.

Cite your source on that brillant stat. There is no evidence those polls can accurately predict anything.

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First off, cite your source for that 100,000 number, because its frankly hard to believe at this point. And second, polling organizations like Gallop and Rasmussen can accurately predict elections involving 10s of millions of people by sampling a mere 1000.

An interview (I'll find it and edit this post) stating that the Cryptic was meeting their subscription goals and had over a hundred thousand active subscriptions.

As for Gallop, yes they use 1200 as a sample to gauge the opinion of a given population (man that's a can of worms I don't want to get into about bias) with a claimed total over and under margin of error of 4%. The point that I was making is that most people on the forums are unsatisfied hot-heads that don't represent the majority of the game which is busy playing the game....

EDIT: It was a podcast with Jack Emmert where he states around 21 minutes or so that the game has "well over 100,000 subscribers" http://thebigfreaks.com/?p=263 if you want to see it for yourself.

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I vote no.

I don't think this will really do anything to effect the player base in any meaningful way. They will get only money from a few diehards with cash to blow. The player base might pimple on a graph and then drop fast. The program is set to steep, higher then any other game I have ever played and I have been playing these types of games since UO and a few others back in the day on dial up services like AOL and Compuserve. That was so long ago I don't even remember there names properly.:eek:

If it has any real effect it will be to generate negative buzz about a game that really needs all the good press it can get to stay alive long enough to grow into what it should have been at launch. I love the game for its potential but fear it will never be realized due to the inability of Cryptic to develop the game into anything other then a B list MMO that really should be free to play with a full C-Store to support its income.

I do not feel what is currently in game is even worth a monthly sub but it's Star Trek and its so close to feeling right that I'll pay it to see if it grows, fool that I am.

I really hope I am proven wrong and it grows into the AAA MMORPG that the title deserves but all my experience with these games tells me I am not.:(

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I vote no.

I don't think this will really do anything to effect the player base in any meaningful way. They will get only money from a few diehards with cash to blow. The player base might pimple on a graph and then drop fast. The program is set to steep, higher then any other game I have ever played and I have been playing these types games since UO and a few others back in the day on dial up services like AOL and Compuserve. That was so long ago I don't even remember there names properly.:eek:

If it has any real effect it will be to generate negative buzz about a game that really needs all the good press it can get to stay alive long enough to grow into what it should have been at launch. I love the game for its potential but fear it will never be realized due to the inability of Cryptic to develop the game into anything other then a B list MMO that really should be free to play with a full C-Store to support its income.

I do not feel what is currently in game is even worth a monthly sub but it's Star Trek and its so close to feeling right that I'll pay it to see if it grows, fool that I am.

I really hope I am proven wrong and it grows into the AAA MMORPG that the title deserves but all my experience with these games tells me I am not.:(

Very nicely put. I think this sums up the feelings of many people. Lets just focus on pushing Cryptic for a better game and not get so hung up over a single ship.

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Hey All,

I'm placing this thread in the appropriate feedback section.

As stated by DStahl, this is something we have seen a lot of feedback on and the higher ups are aware of it.

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I voted 'no' as well. But as others have said. Cryptic could care less.

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I voted 'no' as well. But as others have said. Cryptic could care less.

Cryptic's CEO spent years as the Senior VP of business development for the most despised man in the MMO industry, John Smedley at SOE.

That is all you need to know when looking for an answer when looking for the reason why Cryptic does certain things, even when they are apparently self-destructive.

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After you vote, please share your thoughts.

everything should be obtainable by actualy PLAYING the game :rolleyes:

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I've really wracked my brain, on why this is such a big deal. a ship that appears in one episode should not be obtainable and then flown by every single person in this game. reminds me of SWG, when everyone became a jedi. The referral program is the perfect place to put this kind of a ship. All the major MMO's have items in their respective games that are NOT obtainable by everyone. Why should this one be any different. If you want the ship, use the program and refer people, if as it sounds you have no friends , then you can buy the ship, if that doesn't work, live with your ship envy, and congratulate the people who succeed and get the ship. I saw these same type of arguments in different MMO's because people can't do it, so they whine to make it easier for them... It was tired in SWG, WoW, EQ, and its tired here

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I voted yes, I'd like for some things in this game to remain special, elite, sought-after.

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I voted yes, I'd like for some things in this game to remain special, elite, sought-after.

Special, elite, and sought after to the tune of $225. Not necessarily actually doing anything.

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Cryptic's CEO spent years as the Senior VP of business development for the most despised man in the MMO industry, John Smedley at SOE.

That is all you need to know when looking for an answer when looking for the reason why Cryptic does certain things, even when they are apparently self-destructive.


If only I knew, woulda saved 300dollars and alot of grief.

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everything should be obtainable by actualy PLAYING the game :rolleyes:

Yeah before the nickle and diming of cash store and marketing grad students comomg up with new ways of ripping off their customers.

ALL content created woulda been added to a game as an update or patch with a big expansion a year or 2 in the making.

Now it seems all the DEV team does is fix broken code and any new content is used as a way of making money with means in the end, the customer has lost bargaining power, and getting alot less for their money.

while the defenders of this game touts all these ideas as the best things since sliced bread. amazing considering how much we have lost and will continue to lose as customers where our dollar use to mean something.

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Not only should the galaxy-x remain exclusive to the referral program, anyone who complained about it, should instead recieve a bottle of Chateu Picard instead of the galaxy-x even if they recruit 5 people.

Chateu Picard, need some cheese to go with that?

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nice malicia :)

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nice malicia :)

Thank you. :)

Do you want to join my EXCLUSIVE Galaxy-X club sabredruid? It's going to be for people with the Galaxy-X and any cool people around. :P You get free romulan ale and many many alien women.

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most definately, got a couple of friends i'm gonna bribe :D

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most definately, got a couple of friends i'm gonna bribe :D

Awesome, even Klingons will get to use this bad boy. I cannot wait to fly around in it, too bad they don't let you use it on a new character. Imagine the pew pew that could be done levelling up... :P

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I know, lol. I need to send out 3 more invites...
correction got my invites sent...

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No, it shouldn't be exclusive to the referral. It's too significant to be exclusive to that program. Pick something else that isn't as desired by the fanbase as something we should be getting as part of the STO experience.

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No, it shouldn't be exclusive to the referral. It's too significant to be exclusive to that program. Pick something else that isn't as desired by the fanbase as something we should be getting as part of the STO experience.

Its too significant? Nah, its called one hell of an incentive.

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