first star trek movie

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it sucks!!! I'm so disappointed :( I even liked enterprise which no one liked. maybe the special fx are too old? what about the bald girl? and random peeps in space suits floating around space? and the transporter malfunction accompanied by screams? it's like a horror movie.

can't watch till the end, gonna try kahn, if I can't watch it either gonna go back to ds9 :/

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We don't talk about ST:TMP. It never happened...

WoK is the best ST movie of all of them, however.

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The first Star Trek movie, you say?

Never heard of it.

As far as I know, the movies began with Star Trek II. :rolleyes:

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The first Star Trek movie, TMP, is overly long and very talky. It helps to watch it with the following information in mind:

Will Decker is a forerunner to Will RIker, and the "bald girl" is a forerunner to Deanna Troi. There was originally going to be a Star Trek: Phase II TV show with these characters, and in fact, the episode "The Child" when Troi gets pregnant, was re-written from an unused Phase II episode.

TMP was pretty much universally panned. I tried to watch ti myself a few weeks ago, and got amazingly bored 15 minutes in, because it was STILL just a starfield. It gets a lot better from TWoK, but remember the Odd Numbered Rule. It states that pretty much any odd numbered Star Trek movie will suck - much like the Blue Suit rule, which states that any episode of the new Doctor Who with David Tennant will suck if he's wearing a blue suit.

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Yes, ST_TMP never happened., just like the following

Galactica 1980
V: The Final Battle
Any Highlander movie after the first one
Caprica
Happy Days (After The Fonz jumped the shark)
and the list continues....

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The first Star Trek film - Star Trek: The Motion Picture, is in my opinion, a true Science Fiction film and does what it sets out to do very well.

The pacing, mood and tone of the film are very much in line with other science fiction films of that period. Around that time you had Alien, The Black Hole, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. These movie (with a more dark approach) sort of contrasted the space cowboy movies like Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back.

I don't know about you, but that first scene when they head up to the Enterprise in space dock is just pure and utter magic that, still to this day, makes my heart swell - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSvV2QTAcHY (start at about 3:00 of this clip). In fact, I daresay that, watching this scene again, hearing the music, THAT is what I was hoping for from this game... the same feeling.

Sadly, I don't get that feeling from the game, but oh well.

Also, I simply love the scene where they travel and travel and travel for what seems like forever into the V-GER cloud. THAT was some magical stuff too that just beautifully captured the wonder and danger of space and the things that could be found out there.

Anyhow... going to watch that scene again.

Cheers!
Standing_Up_For_Star_Trek_The_Motion_Picture_Canuc k :)

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Isn't Star Trek 2009 the first movie?
You know... Like with the Star Wars ep1-3 movies. :p




But yeah... It was no Star Trek TMP... Was Star Trek: The Attack Of The Killer Bulges. *has nightmares*

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Yes, I love seeing them gaze at the Enterprise while flying around it for a solid ten minutes, each of the occupants of the shuttle getting about fifteen closeups of a "whoa man that's pretty cool" face. :rolleyes:

And how the opening credits take about a third of the entire movie to finish? It feels so sciencey.

And the absolutely terrible reimagined uniforms that were so reviled that they immediately changed them again before WoK.

And the slow, plodding musical score that made me want to take a nap.

Yep, TMP was definitely a masterpiece. :rolleyes:

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I enjoy ST:TMP myself, and it mainly from the standpoint that back in the day, those were awesome uber graphics. But moreso, I love the soundtrack to it, Jerry Goldsmith has always been one of my favorite composers. It certainly isn't the best they put out, and STII is certainly the one to really start from in regards to the movies. And STII had James Horner doing the score, whom I also enjoy greatly.

But I will always enjoy ST:TMP.

BTW, the spacedock in ST:TMP was turned upside down and used as spacestation Regula 1 in STII

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Yes, I love to gaze at the Bulge while flying around it for a solid ten minutes, each of the occupants of the shuttle getting about fifteen closeups of a "whoa man that's pretty cool" bulge. :rolleyes:

And how the opening bulge take about a third of the entire movie to finish? It feels so sciencey.

And the absolutely terrible BULGE uniforms that were so reviled that they immediately changed them again before WoK.

And the slow, plodding bulge bulge that made me want to take a nap.

Yep, TMP was definitely a masterpiece. :bulge:
Fixed to reflect reality.

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Fixed to reflect reality.

I remember watching ST:TNG and Data's belly was the furthest sticking out. Poor Brent Spiner. Should've dieted...

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Fixed to reflect reality.

Yes, TMP had some truly epic bulges.

Hence my comment about the uniforms. ;)

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I though TMP was kinda neat. Not really where a Trek movie needed to be, but kinda.

Now here's a question: am I the only person here who ranks STV above any of the other movies? I'm speaking of Nemesis, obviously, though I'm thinking it might tie with TMP, Insurrection, or Generations.

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ST:V was The Final Frontier, not Nemesis. Nemesis was X.

I - The Motion Picture
II - The Wrath of Khan
III - The Search for Spock
IV - The Voyage Home
V - The Final Frontier
VI - The Undiscovered Country
VII - Generations
VIII - First Contact
IX - Insurrection
X - Nemesis
XI - Star Trek 2009

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Question: am I the only person here who ranks STV above any of the other movies?

Yes, yes you are.

ST: TMP was a bad 2001 ripoff that managed to be less comprehensible.

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And now, because I can't resist, the same list, in order of how much I liked the movie. :cool:

II - The Wrath of Khan
VIII - First Contact
VI - The Undiscovered Country
XI - Star Trek 2009
IX - Insurrection
VII - Generations
IV - The Voyage Home
X - Nemesis
V - The Final Frontier
III - The Search for Spock
I - The Motion Picture

That is all. :cool:

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ST:V was The Final Frontier, not Nemesis. Nemesis was X.

I - The Motion Picture
II - The Wrath of Khan
III - The Search for Spock
IV - The Voyage Home
V - The Final Frontier
VI - The Undiscovered Country
VII - Generations
VIII - First Contact
IX - Insurrection
X - Nemesis

Fixed that for ya. There haven't been any true trek films since Nemesis. End of.

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Hey, I liked ST2009, and fully accept it as the eleventh movie. I also believe it fairly well breaks the "odd numbered movies suck" pattern.

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ST:V was The Final Frontier, not Nemesis. Nemesis was X.

I - The Motion Picture
II - The Wrath of Khan
III - The Search for Spock
IV - The Voyage Home
V - The Final Frontier
VI - The Undiscovered Country
VII - Generations
VIII - First Contact
IX - Insurrection
X - Nemesis
XI - Star Trek 2009

I meant that Nemesis was the one I thought was worse than STV. Though I'm also surprised to see Search For Spock rated below it on your other list. It was the weak point of The Trilogy but I definitely think it had its poingant moments.

A lot more of them than Nemesis.

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I meant that Nemesis was the one I thought was worse than STV. Though I'm also surprised to see Search For Spock rated below it on your other list. It was the weak point of The Trilogy but I definitely think it had its poingant moments.

A lot more of them than Nemesis.

Ah, I see.

Yeah, I actually liked Nemesis.

The only two below ST:V on my list are, as you mentioned, III, and of course TMP.

The only reason Nemesis is so low on my list is that I simply liked the ones above it more. :cool:

But I got no major beef with Nemesis.

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One must remember that in truth, "There is no accounting for taste".

Every film had/has aspects that make people either enjoy it or not as a whole. While I agree that, overall, most of the Star Trek films are really not that good, there are elements of each that, for me, give each a quality that I can appreciate in varying degrees.

Star Trek 2009, for all intents and purposes, is probably the best overall Star Trek film from a production, writing and development point of view. I know a lot of people don't like to admit it, but there it is.

That said, each film can't really be judged by today's standards because each film was not made according to today's standards.

Listing films according to preference is an exercise in futility IMO. So unless you list films in order of release or in order of earnings, all other lists are far to subjective to discuss objectively and with very few exceptions, universal consensus is damn near impossible.

On another note, this is the list of earnings for the films. I am aware that earnings does not necessarily reflect the quality of a film, but what would interest me however, is what would these earnings look like if they were adjusted for inflation and then re-ranked according to 2010 standards in respects to value of the dollar.

• "Star Trek: 2009"-- $390 million.
• "Star Trek: First Contact"-- $146 million.
• "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"--$139 million.
• "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home"--$133 million.
• "Star Trek Generations"--$120 million.
• "Star Trek: Insurrection"--$118 million.
• "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan"--$97 million.
• "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country"--$96.9 million.
• "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock"--$87 million.
• "Star Trek Nemesis"--$67 million.
• "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier"--$63 million.

Cheers!
Ranking_Canuck :)

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Except that we're not discussing them objectively.

We're discussing our personal preferences regarding them.

So your point is moot.

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Except that we're not discussing them objectively.

We're discussing our personal preferences regarding them.

So your point is moot.Actually with respect, by definition the entire conversation is moot. Therefore my comment, being part of an overall moot discussion, becomes quite apt and an integral part of the entire thread.

Cheers!
Legal_Definition_Canuck :)

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first time I saw TMP I was pretty young. I don't think I processed it correctly, if at all. Now I'm a bit scared of trying to watch it again. Sounds creepy.

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I wonder, did you watch the version with the new special effects and the directors edit? I laughed when i realized that this was the first directors cut I had ever seen that was actually shorter than the original.
If you haven't seen it, it's worth it.

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It's ironic that bulges are canon yet no slider for it...
(cant really say there was masses of women with jumbogigantic melons)

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heh no not me, I saw the original I believe that was out in the early 80's. Must have been 4 or 5 years old.

Kind of speaks volumes of the script and scene writers when the director cuts it to be SHORTER, not longer. :p

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The main problem with TMP is it's about three hours long and half of that is crap floating through space. It gets really boring really fast when it takes fifteen minutes for the ship to go into the cloud till where spock finally gets out. It suffered from the editing saying: "look how nice our sets and the ships are, and the special effects are awesome(for the time), who needs story developement when we can stare at v'ger for another half-hour!"

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heh no not me, I saw the original I believe that was out in the early 80's. Must have been 4 or 5 years old.

Kind of speaks volumes of the script and scene writers when the director cuts it to be SHORTER, not longer. :p
Could you tell that James Camerons face pwetty pwease? :)

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It's ironic that bulges are canon yet no slider for it...
(cant really say there was masses of women with jumbogigantic melons)

I have no objection to OMIGOD WHO GAVE MAN-FAYE A SAILOR MOON COSTUME

What were we talking about?

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I have no objection to OMIGOD WHO GAVE MAN-FAYE A SAILOR MOON COSTUME

What were we talking about?

Cheese, I think.

Maybe it's just this delicious cheese I'm eating, but I could've sworn we were talking about delicious cheese.

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As an amercian i am not sure you know anything about cheese.

Name 4 cheeses you have eaten that aren't "Bad chedder with something added to it"

Then i shall admit that you might be eating delicous cheese.

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As an amercian i am not sure you know anything about cheese.

Name 4 cheeses you have eaten that aren't "Bad chedder with something added to it"

Then i shall admit that you might be eating delicous cheese.

Well, lets see, in the past week I've had manchego, (goat) feta, and some soy-based nacho-flavored imitation cheese that is only remotely edible when nuked for the purpose of creating nachos. Before I had to avoid cow milk due to illness I'd put blue cheese on everything I could remotely come up with an excuse to and favored Jarlsberg cheese for snacking, especially the rind.

Then again, I'm one of the relatively few Americans who can name all 50 states and realizes that not everyone who speaks Spanish is an illegal immegrant.

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As an amercian i am not sure you know anything about cheese.

Name 4 cheeses you have eaten that aren't "Bad chedder with something added to it"

Then i shall admit that you might be eating delicous cheese.

Well, it depends. Are we talking hard cheeses or buttery cheeses?

In the category of buttery cheeses, I very much enjoy Port-Salut and brie, and sometimes taleggio.

In the category of hard cheeses, a good black wax white cheddar is excellent but I'm also a fan of asiago.

...wait, that's four right there. Five if you count black wax cheddar as "good cheddar with nothing added to it." Which it is.

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More than acceptable.

I tend to use "soft" over "buttery" as it includes things like mascapone, feta and boursain. They are very clean tasting but by no means a hard cheese.

sorry to question your cheese credetials, but I feel the need to be curcumspect in these matters.

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Perfectly understandable! I'm one of the few Americans who, when asked, "Do you have any cheese," won't answer, "Yeah, we got Kraft, and we got Velveeta."

And I see you're grouping both "buttery" and "crumbly" cheeses into the category of "soft," which is perfectly acceptable. I was just being a bit more specific, because I don't really like crumbly cheese in general.

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st II is a little better :D thanks guys

ps: caprica rocks

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Ravenstein's Star Trek list goes like this...

1. Wrath of Khan (2)
2. The Voyage Home (4)
3. First Contact (8)
4. Star Trek: 2009 (I call it Star Trek 0 so as not violate the odd numbered rule)
5. Undiscovered Country (6)
7. Nemesis (10)
8. Motion Picture (1)
9. Search for Spock (3)
10. The Final Frontier (5)
11. Generations (7)

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Isn't Star Trek 2009 the first movie?
You know... Like with the Star Wars ep1-3 movies. :p




But yeah... It was no Star Trek TMP... Was Star Trek: The Attack Of The Killer Bulges. *has nightmares*
Technially speaking, not to an extent. Nero was from the same time line as the TNG-Era movies, I think 7 years after the events of Nemesis. So in a way, it's somehwat of a sequel to Nemesis, but in other ways it is not. IMO
Hey, I liked ST2009, and fully accept it as the eleventh movie. I also believe it fairly well breaks the "odd numbered movies suck" pattern.

This got me wonderin'.... What if it's the sum of the digits and not the number itself that is odd?????? This might explain why Nemesis flunked..... and XI porspered.

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Now here's a question: am I the only person here who ranks STV above any of the other movies?

No, you aren't the only one. And in fact, I rate it pretty highly... guess I'm one of the few people that actually enjoy TFF.

By the way, 2009 isn't ST XI. It's JJT I. Get it right.

Oh, and list time for me (not including JJT I, I don't count it against the prime line movies):

First Contact
The Undiscovered Country
The Wrath of Khan
The Voyage Home
The Final Frontier
Insurrection
The Motion Picture
The Search For Spock
Nemesis
Generations

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The very first ST movie I ever saw was TWOK. Loved bringing a charismatic villain from TOS. Loved the Refit Enterprise still. Loved the uniforms. Loved Saavik also:cool:

Later on I saw TMP. I was very underwhelmed and bored, especially since I compared it to TWOK.

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I though TMP was kinda neat. Not really where a Trek movie needed to be, but kinda.

Now here's a question: am I the only person here who ranks STV above any of the other movies? I'm speaking of Nemesis, obviously, though I'm thinking it might tie with TMP, Insurrection, or Generations.

Nemesis for me tied with First Contact, both of those films got curb-stomped back a notch to sit beside Wrath of Kahn by ST 2009, which until bested will remain my new favorite.

As for the topic at had I tolerated the movie through after playing Legacy, wanted to know what V'ger was. I fast-forwarded through the star-field and found myself genuinely wondering if I had purchased a gag DVD, like I was the victim of some poor joke.

I laughed at the Klingons and Federation as they got steamrolled by V'ger, and at the music for this scene, the last gigantic noise out of the woodwind section even sounding like a triumphant belch from the depths of V'ger as it digested everything it had just appeared to "eat".

Then came more sitting and staring as the shuttle circled the really crappy looking "new" Enterprise. Again, I began to feel like the victim of some terrible joke after about ten minutes.

And then came what I called the "Blair Witch" part, where I sat and stared at a screen that may as well have been blank, as next to nothing happened aside me chuckling at the cheapo plastic sets and noting how much the security guys looked like angry Federation Rugby players.

Then Baldy got abducted, Decker (didn't Decker die at the hands of the Planet Killer? that never made sense to me) went all emo for like 20 minutes and Spock went all enlightened hippie. Watching the bit with Spock in the space suit literally put me to sleep until the piercing voice which was Baldy returned.

I more or less went back into my blank stare at the screen with this, again only chuckling rather immaturely at the fact that the only person labeled "unit" was Kirk "The Kirk Unit" I really think she was calling him one. When it finally came down to the whole walking down the saucer part I will admit I was like "Dude... that's actually cool" but that feeling quickly went away when I watched the whole migraine inducing strobe show which was Decker getting mulched.... I mean Assimilated. That's right, I went there. Assimilated.

When this was over I laughed at the fact that there was an even longer credits reel at the end of movie, prompting me to wonder if they even credited the guys cutting the studio grass.

All in all, worst trek movie.... close tie is Insurrection for similar reasons.

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(didn't Decker die at the hands of the Planet Killer? that never made sense to me)

That was Commodore Matthew Decker, Willard's father.

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its TREK

then ITS COOL

BTW treat the movies as the series and TMP as season one and then just sit back and Enjoy it,

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I just recently got the Star trek movie collection on BR, and i have to say TMP is just breath taking to look at, but i loved the movie from the start anyway.