Option to Render Default Uniforms

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I didn't know if I was supposed to post this here, or in another area. But, since it's related to gameplay, I thought it would be appropriate to post here.

What I am asking for is an option to take all of the other players' uniforms and render them in the fashion that I would choose (according to male and female). This actually makes sense also, as there are currently thousands of variations, colours and designs of 'uniforms' that a player can create. Frankly, I am wondering why I can't just have an option to have everyone look (render on my screen) the same. Not only would it be the 'lore' according to the uniform standards that I have set up as a player, but would also be more LIKE Star Trek.

So here's how it would work:

- Click Player Specified Uniforms Option "ON"
- Go to Sol Stardock, and go to the Uniform Officer
- Specify your Uniforms based upon player ranks and/or player carreer. (For example: Red and black uniforms rendered on players who are Tactical Officers. Blue for Science Officers, Yellow/gold for Engineers. Or, you can specify a specific Uniform for each rank)
- Click OK. Then, every other players' uniform comforms to YOUR Star Trek experience, without invading anyone else's play style (or beliefs).

That's my idea. I welcome your feedback, in order that this posting may be read by the devs, and in hopes to getting this changed.

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Easy enough, put your computer where the children cant see it, it saves cryptic thousands of dollars in development time. This is not the game for the modest, if you want modesty, go play hello kitty island adventures.....

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Either way I'd say you can alter your uniform of a BO or the PC. Both in matter of gender allready as also the right type. It would be adviceable if you as mentioned go to the Earth spacedock.

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Ok I have to ask... Have you seen any Star Trek? :D Sexuality has always been a big part of Trek:

Micro- mini's as part of the uniform, Orion slave girls wearing body paint and little else, various other alien species with aversion to heavy clothing like the Edo, Tasha's outfit from 'The Naked Now' , Troi's mother in a mud-bath, Vulcan first officers with gravity defying ..err... umm... personal shields, a reclaimed Borg on a ship full of replicators that never found anything to wear but a spandex body suit. That's just off the top of my head.

My point is that it's there, it's always been there. It's going to be a lot worse when season 2 hits and everyone, including me, is running around with Orion Captains who look like strippers. :D

This idea would run into problems from a RP perspective as well. What happens when you meet a RP'er in a TOS / TNG/ MU uniform? Someone playing a Temporal refugee, a dimensional ambassador / traitor? You wouldn't be able to react properly because you've deprived yourself of certain content.

Regarding the rainbow of current uniforms... Starfleet had different uniforms at the same time in some of the series. TNG and DS9 take place at the same time, and yet the Enterprise crew and the DS9 crew had different uniforms. TOS differences seemed to be limited to insignia differences between fleet/ships (?).Enterprise had the one uniform because there were, what, 2 ships? :D ( I honestly don't remember if Voyagers crew was wearing the TNG uniform.)

I like the variety that this many uniform options gives me. I think it would be horribly boring if everyone looked identical. As far as skin goes... The MU uniform and the TOS skirt show less than I can see just going to the beach or the mall. :eek:

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The idea of seeing other officers in the uniform type that you have assigned (according to the era of Star Trek that YOU like best) would not require thousands of dollars to put into the game.. actually probably easier than rendering everyone in different colours/uniforms (regarding the data transfers that would go on). Also, I'm not referring to changes to any NPC's at all... only the Player Officers.

To me, it's about the game and era of Star Trek that 'I' want to play simply because I like it most. Why can't I see other players in the uniforms that I would prefer to see according to the timeline that I'd like to play most, and according to the styles I like most? To me, this would mean that I would FEEL immersed in the timeline, instead of a washboard of past, present, and future running around with all variations of uniforms and skanky styles that have an ill-desired affect on how I would like to see the game played (which, I might add is fine if you like to see that).

So, simply put... With this option, anyone could have the environment of uniforms that they prefer to see... so for all you guys out there who love to see booty and cleavage... you'd have a whole lot of it if that's what you prefered. If the game I'd like to see is a modest one, why can't I immerse myself in that environment if that's what I like to see?

Star Trek is based upon a uniform disciplined naval standard. What I see is a whole variation of uniforms, to the point where it's not a uniform at all, and thus doesn't give the feel of a disciplined environment, but chaotic and undisciplined. If the goal of this game is to feel immersed and a part of Star Trek (for those of us that wish this), then I'm all for a uniformed environment. To me, it's my money I'm paying... and I want to enjoy it the way I see fitting and fun. :)

Thanks to all who shared their input btw. ;)

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Easy enough, put your computer where the children cant see it, it saves cryptic thousands of dollars in development time. This is not the game for the modest, if you want modesty, go play hello kitty island adventures.....

In response to this. Why does a game have to be graphically silly or childish to be modest? Why can't there be an intelligent game like this with an option to have my environment become more modest?

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A request for a feature like this has come up before, and I am in favor of it. I figure if enough people ask for it, Cryptic might be convinced to come up with something.

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In a real military organization uniformity is essential to discipline. In Star Trek between Next Generation and Deep Space 9, everyone sort of wore different uniforms. This is most likely because Paramount didn't want to spend money fitting costumes for background characters. However in the real US military, this does happen.

For example, around 2004 (I think) when the Marine Corps went from the BDU style uniform (http://www.desertdeucesurplus.com/images/Atlanco/DSC_4410.jpg) to the MARPAT uniform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARPAT) There was a period of time when Marines could be seen in pretty much either one. However I'm pretty sure that now the BDU is no longer in circulation and there fore Marines aren't supposed to wear it while on duty.

That's just to explain the difference in uniforms between The Next Generation and Deep Space 9.

In STO having a few different uniforms is understandable... there are different uniforms that military members even today can wear while on duty, usually determined by the CO (which would be you because you're Captain of your starship and you can tell your crew to wear whatever you see fit). For example the CO might say "Ok everyone, on Thursday wear your service dress charlies" and everyone in the unit then wears their service dress charlies to work on Thursday.

However uniforms like the TOS uniforms, mirror universe, Next Gen/DS9 etc really don't make sense at all. These would be like seeing a US Marine in Iraq dressed like this (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gYuYmkjomH0/SnOghfKRvhI/AAAAAAAAABk/j557PYqQX_4/s320/Continental+Marines+Captain+Uniform.jpg) or wearing the old service uniform from World War 2. It just doesn't make sense.

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I actually like this suggestion. :) Mainly because I've just decided 'to hell with being accurate to the 2409 setting!' and swapped all my uniform and ship options to look like TNG-movie era uniforms/ships/paraphernalia...


...and, as if by magic, the game suddenly feels a lot more like Star Trek! ;)

Now I'd like to have the option to set all the other in-game uniforms to match (and maybe some of the really ugly ship paint schemes and colours, too!) - anything to boost the 'Trek-ness' of the game.

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Apologies, I dont normally do this, but this kinda ticked me off.

/rant ON

I notice the "for the children" excuse dropped by the wayside, but lets examine that for a second.

I assume none of those children have mothers that wear skirts or midriff bearing attire, nor are they allowed to watch any tv including so-called children's show which often are far racier and contain more exaggerated female forms than even real life (including most high dollar strip clubs). Nor are they allowed to open their eyes outside.

Now that we have established how outrageous your initial excuse was:
Shame on you for trying to use children to get YOUR way. So much for "responsible adults" and "positive role models".

And one other point.
What praytell, are you doing playing video games when you are supposed to be supervising children?

/rant OFF



One second though, I have further points.

The world of Star Trek is something most of us would LOVE to have our children exposed to and/or live in. A world where tolerance, understanding, respect, and bettering oneself are NORMAL.

Would that not include tolerance of other's choice of avatar looks, attire, and ship? In the manner of your above request, the next thing you might ask for is to get rid of all klingon/ferengi/orion/alien avatars and only show humans.

I hope my children are NEVER around you.

Good day.

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And one other point.
What praytell, are you doing playing video games when you are supposed to be supervising children?


*clap clap clap* I know one day-care I'll never use.

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Man, if I quote me some Carlin here, I'll probably get a warning. Or just straight to ban.

(Remember, he's Mr. Conductor, and he knows what he's talking about)

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My wife and I hold to certain ethical values and standards, and we feel rather offended by the continued new content of a very revealing nature on the female characters in this game. My wife runs a daycare, and as responsible adults, we are very careful to make sure that our children and the children under our care are only exposed positive role models of a lady's attire.
Fair enough, but I must point out that this game is rated T for Teen, right on the lower left corner of the box/ jewel case. In the same manner I would be careful about what sort of movies or TV programs I would show my children before they reach a certain age, I would also be careful about what video games they play or view before a certain age.

So although I understand the nature of your request, the developer and publisher have already set the content level of what the game can and cannot have based on the ESRB / PEGI rating. If you don't want your children to view some of the more scantily-clad women in STO, I would suggest playing past their bed time. From my personal point-of-view, I can't see Cryptic adding "nanny controls" (for lack of a better term, no offense meant), as other requests have been given a higher priority by the majority of players, and because they're not standard in other MMOs at this ESRB / PEGI rating.

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Apologies, I dont normally do this, but this kinda ticked me off.

First of all, why apologise BEFORE you preceed to slander someone without cause? In the future, just apologise after lol.

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I notice the "for the children" excuse dropped by the wayside, but lets examine that for a second.

I assume none of those children have mothers that wear skirts or midriff bearing attire, nor are they allowed to watch any tv including so-called children's show which often are far racier and contain more exaggerated female forms than even real life (including most high dollar strip clubs). Nor are they allowed to open their eyes outside.

Secondly, your second mistake was that you assume anything about my personal life and environment. But, since you preceed further with the accusations, I might add that I do not even own a television, nor are the children under my wife's daycare exposed to television or its role models. Also, I might add that just because you live in a world that is full of sex and sexual attire, does NOT mean that my children or any child under our care needs to be exposed to that environment. It is not wrong to protect the innocence of children under ANY environment, and according to the standards of your own home, because thnakfully, it is a free country.

Now that we have established how outrageous your initial excuse was:
Shame on you for trying to use children to get YOUR way. So much for "responsible adults" and "positive role models".

And one other point.
What praytell, are you doing playing video games when you are supposed to be supervising children?

/rant OFF

Thirdly, what shocks me here is that you even draw a 'concrete' conclusion of my character as being selfish when you don't even know me. Didn't you read in my initial post where I said that "my wife runs a daycare"? I did not say that this was my line of work. So, why make this assumption of my character? What I do on my days off is my business, and I don't have to help out with the daycare (even though at times I do). But I am mindful of what is on the computer screen because of little eyes that come to me to show me a picture they coloured or a song that they learned, or to sit on my lap.



One second though, I have further points.

The world of Star Trek is something most of us would LOVE to have our children exposed to and/or live in. A world where tolerance, understanding, respect, and bettering oneself are NORMAL.

Would that not include tolerance of other's choice of avatar looks, attire, and ship? In the manner of your above request, the next thing you might ask for is to get rid of all klingon/ferengi/orion/alien avatars and only show humans.

I hope my children are NEVER around you.

Lastly, my post was purely about player attire, and my desire to see a uniformed environment option. This post was not about your choise of avatar or ship looks. So, there again, where you came up with that is unknown to me, and even worse is that you assume that I might ask to get rid of all other alien races?! ... wow

In short, if you want to rave, please think first, and then come back and see what I actually wrote before you make ill judgement against me, or make other false assumptions on how I run my household. Then, even if I 'erk' you in some way (purely unintentional on my part), don't bother posting it on a public forum, as it really doesn't do anyone any good, and it makes you look like a jerk, even if you actually may not be. If you would like to comment (in a positive or negative context) toward the actual subject matter of this posting, then feel free to state your opinions.

Good day.

Good day to you too, Sir.

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Fair enough, but I must point out that this game is rated T for Teen, right on the lower left corner of the box/ jewel case. In the same manner I would be careful about what sort of movies or TV programs I would show my children before they reach a certain age, I would also be careful about what video games they play or view before a certain age.

So although I understand the nature of your request, the developer and publisher have already set the content level of what the game can and cannot have based on the ESRB / PEGI rating. If you don't want your children to view some of the more scantily-clad women in STO, I would suggest playing past their bed time. From my personal point-of-view, I can't see Cryptic adding "nanny controls" (for lack of a better term, no offense meant), as other requests have been given a higher priority by the majority of players, and because they're not standard in other MMOs at this ESRB / PEGI rating.

I respect your opinion, and how it is stated well :)

In response to this:
What if I'd like this option only because it makes my environment actually feel like the era/time of Star Trek that I like most; and that right now, it does not have a uniformed look because of the multiple uniforms of other players? What if, just by allowing you and I to change a simple option, we could feel more immersed in a Star Trek environment? Like I said "my personal beliefs aside"... what then? Is your opinion the same?

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My wife and I hold to certain ethical values and standards, and we feel rather offended by the continued new content of a very revealing nature on the female characters in this game. My wife runs a daycare, and as responsible adults, we are very careful to make sure that our children and the children under our care are only exposed positive role models of a lady's attire.

YOU brought your personal life into the forums.
Forum Guidelines (http://forums.startrekonline.com/announcement.php?f=20&a=2) Take a look at #6

Fair enough, but I must point out that this game is rated T for Teen

However, I think your idea is interesting, but stuff all the stuff that doesn't pertain to this should be left out and we should move forward. I understand you had to give us a background of your point of view, but really just the idea being able to see eveyone in the same uniform on just your screen is what brought me to this post. I do like the idea though.

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Although I do think it would be kinda cool to have the option of rendering everyon'e uniform on your screen the way you choose, I would like to point out that the "raciest" attire in the game (female mirror universe uniforms and Orion slave girl attire), come from a TV series that was originally broadcast on prime-time network TV over 40 years ago, and run in syndiaction on thousands of stations during all hours of the day and night since that time. I understand and agree with protecting yound children from suggsetive or explicit content, but I think you're going a bit overboard here.

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I do not like idea, takes the individuality away from players.

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I do not like idea, takes the individuality away from players.

Actually, it only renders other players with the uniform of your choice. That option would be different entirely for your game to render because, if you don't like it, you can click it off. Therefore, I'm just trying to clarify that it would have no effect on player individuality, but would actually reinforce the game to that end... each individual seeing the uniform styles/era that they'd like to see on their screen alone; having no effect on the uniforms (if the option is turned on) that you would want rendered. If the option is off, like I said, you wouldn't see any difference at all.

Thank you for your input. :)

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YOU brought your personal life into the forums.

You're absolutely right here... my apologies for the drama everyone! My last post regarding this was purely in defense of allogation and assumptions. Lesson learned! (Notes to self: no personal info here... sheesh) Initial posting edited to take this out.

I do like the idea though.

Thanks :)

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Don't forget that you also loose the RP option with this to talk or get into talks with others about what they wear and why etc.

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Don't forget that you also loose the RP option with this to talk or get into talks with others about what they wear and why etc.

I don't know about anyone else, but the only time I see anyone talking about what they wear and why, it's because of the lack of clothing that they wear, and the one player wants to find out how the other player got it.

However, having said that, there are those that believe that Role Playing is to talk with others in all types of uniforms to find out what episode the uniform came from, and there are those of us who believe that Role Playing is to become immersed in the environment where our choices dictate our environment.

Example 1: choosing the uniforms of their BO's and players around them in order to see a uniformed and disciplined environment according to the standards and era of their Star Trek experience to which they would like ot be a part.

Example 2: Completing missions that effect their environment and how NPC's would respond to that player.

Example 3: Completing a mission that will bring the player fame and recognition.


All that said.. good point. Thanks.