Cant trust cryptic

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Cryptic said both roper and jack both said cstore would only be used for cosmetic items.
Then suddenly we getting full ships and other stuff that causes ingame effects other then costumes and ships skin , now we got races ,ships , some special awards , buff pets next is prolly weapons .... and weapon slots and what not all to make a buck.

To me this only shows cryptic cant be trusted at all they will say one thing then when push comes to show and they find out they could make more they just go back on their word and disregard what they said and promised...

And before u go on about this is a company thats after making profit , its not about that its about consumer loyalty and thrust , how can a consumer trust anything they say any more?

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I trust Cryptic

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I trust Dstahl, logan, and ranger. but marketing, accounting, and the chief officers I do not trust one bit.

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I trust Dstahl, logan, and ranger. but marketing, accounting, and the chief officers I do not trust one bit.

Adds Billing to that no-trust list.....

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Although we all knew that this was going to be there from the outset, I really hoped that Cryptic would show some restraint, consumer loyalty and common sense and use the C -Store for supplemental income rather than what it has become, which is a constant revenue stream.

Now, whenever there is a bonus target that needs to be hit, or subscribers drop below the required "Sales over last month" target, items will be made and posted for use only via C-Store purchase. Now that many of us, myself included, have made purchases from the beast, Cryptic Management feels that the model is not only justifiable, but now a neccessary component of the way the relationship between player and game developer is conducted.

I firmly believe that this current push is to meet the August targets that were a part of the aquisition by Infogrames and they feel that this is how they will achieve it. The sad part is that if we let them do it to us now, it will only continue and get worse.

I marvel at those both making these marketing decisions and those consumers that support it, cannot see that this is not a sustainable business model and is inherently self defeating. Once the saturation point has been hit for those that no longer feel that they are receiving the proper value proposition quit funding the game and the sub base leaves for the same reason, there will be absolutely no one left to support the game.

I in no way think that anyone should support my position or agree with it in any way, but I want Cryptic to know that I do not feel that I have gotten the proper value for my money so far, and that I will not spend any extra money for the upcoming Excelsior and Nebula Class ships. If it is their position that the content must be paid for, then I will have to re-evaluate my current business relationship with them. I am now to a point however, where I do not feel like I am paying for an entertainment service. it has become to feel more like a bill for a utility, and one that I'm getting closer to doing without.

In twenty years of retail I have watched people with this current management strategy come in and drive businesses into the ground for their inability to assess customer expectation vs. realistic profit levels. I have also watched many companies go out of business in the last few years for this failed vision. I hope that Cryptic can figure out a way to avoid this issue. I would hate not to be able to walk the new passageways of an Excelsior or Nebula because someone in acounting thought I HAD to give them more money for them.

Don't get me wrong, the pupose of this post is not Doom & Gloom, it is an honest attempt to express to Cryptic that I am ready to take my business elsewhere. Unlike tradional sales transactions, we don't have an opportunity to "talk to the manager" other than through these forums. This is not an "I QUIT" rant. It is an avenue for me to reach out to the management.

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Although we all knew that this was going to be there from the outset, I really hoped that Cryptic would show some restraint, consumer loyalty and common sense and use the C -Store for supplemental income rather than what it has become, which is a constant revenue stream.

Now, whenever there is a bonus target that needs to be hit, or subscribers drop below the required "Sales over last month" target, items will be made and posted for use only via C-Store purchase. Now that many of us, myself included, have made purchases from the beast, Cryptic Management feels that the model is not only justifiable, but now a neccessary component of the way the relationship between player and game developer is conducted.

I firmly believe that this current push is to meet the August targets that were a part of the aquisition by Infogrames and they feel that this is how they will achieve it. The sad part is that if we let them do it to us now, it will only continue and get worse.

I marvel at those both making these marketing decisions and those consumers that support it, cannot see that this is not a sustainable business model and is inherently self defeating. Once the saturation point has been hit for those that no longer feel that they are receiving the proper value proposition quit funding the game and the sub base leaves for the same reason, there will be absolutely no one left to support the game.

I in no way think that anyone should support my position or agree with it in any way, but I want Cryptic to know that I do not feel that I have gotten the proper value for my money so far, and that I will not spend any extra money for the upcoming Excelsior and Nebula Class ships. If it is their position that the content must be paid for, then I will have to re-evaluate my current business relationship with them. I am now to a point however, where I do not feel like I am paying for an entertainment service. it has become to feel more like a bill for a utility, and one that I'm getting closer to doing without.

In twenty years of retail I have watched people with this current management strategy come in and drive businesses into the ground for their inability to assess customer expectation vs. realistic profit levels. I have also watched many companies go out of business in the last few years for this failed vision. I hope that Cryptic can figure out a way to avoid this issue. I would hate not to be able to walk the new passageways of an Excelsior or Nebula because someone in acounting thought I HAD to give them more money for them.

Don't get me wrong, the pupose of this post is not Doom & Gloom, it is an honest attempt to express to Cryptic that I am ready to take my business elsewhere. Unlike tradional sales transactions, we don't have an opportunity to "talk to the manager" other than through these forums. This is not an "I QUIT" rant. It is an avenue for me to reach out to the management.

This is my feeling to you just better at wording stuff then me i could have written it in norwegian thou :cool:

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I wonder what figures they are using to guage the C-store. i mean I've bought a few bridge layouts and the like, but they were with the C-points I got from my pre-order and from doing the Cryptic survey a few months back. I know a few people now who have used all these points up (like myself) but who arn't willing to actually buy more points. I truely hope the Cryptic bean counters used the C-point sales to guage the popularity of the C-store and not the actual purchases made, since the initial few months of C-store purchases will of been made using the free points people had. My fear is that they pushed alot of resources into the C-store thinking it was more of a cash cow than it was using the initial figures.

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I wonder what figures they are using to guage the C-store. i mean I've bought a few bridge layouts and the like, but they were with the C-points I got from my pre-order and from doing the Cryptic survey a few months back. I know a few people now who have used all these points up (like myself) but who arn't willing to actually buy more points. I truely hope the Cryptic bean counters used the C-point sales to guage the popularity of the C-store and not the actual purchases made, since the initial few months of C-store purchases will of been made using the free points people had. My fear is that they pushed alot of resources into the C-store thinking it was more of a cash cow than it was using the initial figures.

well u got idiots like me in CO that buy all costume sets and respecs when i get a new idea :P but thats stopped now as i totally lost fait after the gal x crap and such..

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the fact is since release cryptic has added next to nothing to game content, yet it seems every week the c store is full of new crap,i really hope cbs and or atari realises cryptic is severly damaging there reputation
all cryptic is doing is selling virtual items,they are not creating a game,i realy hope they get fired and replaced
after all a smaller compony was fired and replaced by cryptic in the first place,with star trek id expect a deep
engrosing game with great story based chain missions and plenty of uniqe playable factions each with there own full content and chain missions, cryptic has done nothing to finish this so called unfinished game
feds realy dont hae good missions,and klingons, even after s2 will still have no missions,
pls atari or cbs, read these forums and either yank cryptics chain or fire them and hire ge

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cryptic suck. they just took money off my card for a failed transaction, I didnt see anything about that on the payment screen.

Im guessingI I was just short the VAT, but that dont give them the right to take money off of my card. all I wanted was the dreadnought.
Considering I was moaning about C-Store earlier, I still thought Meh, what the hell. ill buy it, seems I got game for £13.99. whats £15.

Ive had failed transactions with all sorts of game companys and just regular purchases online, but never been charged for the failiure of a transaction. Im angry with cryptc for being so unfair.
Now I need to top up my card again. simply shouldnt have to.

Damn you cryptic

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the fact is since release cryptic has added next to nothing to game content, yet it seems every week the c store is full of new crap,i really hope cbs and or atari realises cryptic is severly damaging there reputation
all cryptic is doing is selling virtual items,they are not creating a game,i realy hope they get fired and replaced
after all a smaller compony was fired and replaced by cryptic in the first place,with star trek id expect a deep
engrosing game with great story based chain missions and plenty of uniqe playable factions each with there own full content and chain missions, cryptic has done nothing to finish this so called unfinished game
feds realy dont hae good missions,and klingons, even after s2 will still have no missions,
pls atari or cbs, read these forums and either yank cryptics chain or fire them and hire ge

Point is its not cbs or atari or infogramz that get the bad rep is cryptic so it might eaven be atari that push the cstore and force cryptic but still its cryptics image...

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really? il never play an atari game again without a long free trial period after seeing the ******* they hired for this game,you cant trust a compony that goes bargan basement over customer servace, im sory cryptic certainly has damaged ataris rep with me and prety mutch anyone else whos been playing this game for months waiting for promeses of content and factions that never seem to happen

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really? il never play an atari game again without a long free trial period after seeing the ******* they hired for this game,you cant trust a compony that goes bargan basement over customer servace, im sory cryptic certainly has damaged ataris rep with me and prety mutch anyone else whos been playing this game for months waiting for promeses of content and factions that never seem to happen

I have to respectfully disagree with you, but it is Atari that I think is dragging Crptic down. Atari has been nothing more than a name for quite a few years now, and everyone that aquires them pimps the name for as much as they can and then moves on, kinda like the aliens in Independence Day. When Perpetual had the license, I thought, "Never heard of them, maybe they're untainted." When they folded and Cryptic got the license, I thought the same thing. Then all of a sudden here comes Atari and Infogrames and my azz tightened up... :(

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I have to respectfully disagree with you, but it is Atari that I think is dragging Crptic down. Atari has been nothing more than a name for quite a few years now, and everyone that aquires them pimps the name for as much as they can and then moves on, kinda like the aliens in Independence Day. When Perpetual had the license, I thought, "Never heard of them, maybe they're untainted." When they folded and Cryptic got the license, I thought the same thing. Then all of a sudden here comes Atari and Infogrames and my azz tightened up... :(

dont forget bill roper as well...

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point is that name wont be worth anything if developers like cryptic keep getting hired

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point is that name wont be worth anything if developers like cryptic keep getting hired

Look at bill roper he gets haunded by players every where he goes some of it deserved but a lot of it well blown a bit out of size but still ppl remember names as well. Especially high profile names like jack emmeret and such eaven some of us remember Needham from soe guess where he is now........ in cryptic...

John Needham Named CEO of Cryptic Studios
The former Sony Online Entertainment executive and industry veteran will lead the independent MMO publisher and developer.

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I trust Dstahl, logan, and ranger. but marketing, accounting, and the chief officers I do not trust one bit.

I find it very ironic that you trust the STO executive producer and others lead person in a company but not the ground guys...who do you think has the last word at the end...or gives directives...

At a staff meeting aboard the USS Cryptic

Capt Exec Producer: ok we need to make more doh because blablabla... i m listening to your suggestions

Commander marketing: well we can add more stuff into the C store for big bucks, the player base seems to buy anything we throw at them and the Galaxi X turned out to be a pretty good deal(for us)

Lt Commander accounting: this is a great idea, is there a way to add some more things into the C store without making them from scratch?(it s just cheaper)

Lt Commander design and arts: i think my team can make a couple of ships they really want... it would not be that difficult as they already exist.

Lieutenant programming and stuff: i believe it should not be too long to add slots for more BO/ships and customs. it s already in game.

Commander Marketing: very good Lt, i think we can even sell them per Character and not per account... it makes a lot of sense to me

Capt Exec Producer: excellent, i like all these ideas, yes Ensign community ...do you have something to say....

Ensign Community: i don t think the players are going to like this very much....but i ll do my best to lock negative threads and relocate some of them to some overlooked part of the forums

Capt Exec Producer: Well Gentleman i want a couple of these ships into the C stores at a good price and add slots per characters.... make it so

I would be very surprised if they change ships and BO slots to account wide.... a lot of people already bought them...plus Season two is coming...and beautiful and not very useful(so far) interiors are on Tribble to distract us from the reality.

Oh well... i ve got more than 5000 cryptic points which haven t touched for a very long time...it s not going to happen soon either... i keep them to buy some missions down the road

Venatici

I feel the formal warning coming....not much sense of humour when you are at war to get wealth...

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yeah they getting a ton of flack over this issue and its well deserved , take a look at companies like flagship(went under),funcom, soe etc they all got bad reps and it will plauge them for ages funcom is gonna launch a new mmo soon and trust me if they mess up they might aswell change their name ... SoE i doubt can ever make a solid MMO again for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time...

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I find it very ironic that you trust the STO executive producer and others lead person in a company but not the ground guys...who do you think has the last word at the end...or gives directives...

At a staff meeting aboard the USS Cryptic

Capt Exec Producer: ok we need to make more doh because blablabla... i m listening to your suggestions

Commander marketing: well we can add more stuff into the C store for big bucks, the player base seems to buy anything we throw at them and the Galaxi X turned out to be a pretty good deal(for us)

Lt Commander accounting: this is a great idea, is there a way to add some more things into the C store without making them from scratch?(it s just cheaper)

Lt Commander design and arts: i think my team can make a couple of ships they really want... it would not be that difficult as they already exist.

Lieutenant programming and stuff: i believe it should not be too long to add slots for more BO/ships and customs. it s already in game.

Commander Marketing: very good Lt, i think we can even sell them per Character and not per account... it makes a lot of sense to me

Capt Exec Producer: excellent, i like all these ideas, yes Ensign community ...do you have something to say....

Ensign Community: i don t think the players are going to like this very much....but i ll do my best to lock negative threads and relocate some of them to some overlooked part of the forums

Capt Exec Producer: Well Gentleman i want a couple of these ships into the C stores at a good price and add slots per characters.... make it so

I would be very surprised if they change ships and BO slots to account wide.... a lot of people already bought them...plus Season two is coming...and beautiful and not very useful(so far) interiors are on Tribble to distract us from the reality.

Oh well... i ve got more than 5000 cryptic points which haven t touched for a very long time...it s not going to happen soon either... i keep them to buy some missions down the road

Venatici

I feel the formal warning coming....not much sense of humour when you are at war to get wealth...

LOL! Hilarious hahahaha

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LOL! Hilarious hahahaha

and prolly really close to the truth...

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At a staff meeting aboard the USS Cryptic

Capt Exec Producer: ok we need to make more doh because blablabla... i m listening to your suggestions

Commander marketing: well we can add more stuff into the C store for big bucks, the player base seems to buy anything we throw at them and the Galaxi X turned out to be a pretty good deal(for us)

Lt Commander accounting: this is a great idea, is there a way to add some more things into the C store without making them from scratch?(it s just cheaper)

Lt Commander design and arts: i think my team can make a couple of ships they really want... it would not be that difficult as they already exist.

Lieutenant programming and stuff: i believe it should not be too long to add slots for more BO/ships and customs. it s already in game.

Commander Marketing: very good Lt, i think we can even sell them per Character and not per account... it makes a lot of sense to me

Capt Exec Producer: excellent, i like all these ideas, yes Ensign community ...do you have something to say....

Ensign Community: i don t think the players are going to like this very much....but i ll do my best to lock negative threads and relocate some of them to some overlooked part of the forums

Capt Exec Producer: Well Gentleman i want a couple of these ships into the C stores at a good price and add slots per characters.... make it so

lmao! :D

2 thumbs up.

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yeah they getting a ton of flack over this issue and its well deserved , take a look at companies like flagship(went under),funcom, soe etc they all got bad reps and it will plauge them for ages funcom is gonna launch a new mmo soon and trust me if they mess up they might aswell change their name ... SoE i doubt can ever make a solid MMO again for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time...

I don't know. SoE took ALOT of flack over the SWG NGE debacle and then for forcing Vanguard into the same state that STO is in right now. I have a monthly Station Access account that gives me EQ2, Pirates of the Burning Sea, Vanguard and SWG subs for one price. EQ2, even after launching the Station Cash Store, has continued to provide good content updates as well as the yearly ExPac. I can honestly say that I used to HATE SoE with a passion but they have worked very hard to change their reputation and they continue to EARN my business. PotBS has a new ExPac coming out soon that is free, and SWG and Vanguard, while having very small teams, continue to put out content for both games at a very repectable pace. All of these games, while offering rmt, do not try to charge for extra character classes or anything that is a core component of the game. The bulk of things on the EQ2 Station Store that are not obtainable ingame are a selection of furniture pieces used in decorating a players home that as an ingame Carpenter force me to lose out on ingame sales. But they have made the pieces more of a premium "fluff" piece, not something that is common. That is what I think rankles me about the Excelsior/Nebula prospect. That stuff is core to Star Trek, and don't try to tell me different, I'm in sales and I don't need to be sold a bunch of bull. We kind of went through this same mess with Smiley over at SoE when the Station Cash Store was launched, but they paid ATTENTION to the customer base and started trying to retain people, not run them off. So far, SoE is back on the right track in my book.

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I find it very ironic that you trust the STO executive producer and others lead person in a company but not the ground guys...who do you think has the last word at the end...or gives directives...
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it is not that ironic Dstahl is the new guy. the last guy Zinc I would not trust him. you could say I'm giving dstahl the benefit of the doubt because of how new he is. this can change easy, depending on his actions. but I don't look at the title of the person, I look at the person himself, and that is something that everyone should do. look at a person's soul to get a measure of the men, not at what he wears, what he drives, or what is his title.



also John Needham is captain of the USS. Cryptic, and Jack Emmert is his second officer.

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SNIP

also John Needham is captain of the USS. Cryptic, and Jack Emmert is his second officer.

one ferengie and one talking bubblehead guess whos who :D

The thrust of the gamers is the long term problem they gonna have to deal with i know for a fact a gaming commuinty im part of wount ever play a SOE game after the swg mess... and they well over 200 ppl and with family and friends and kids...

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it is not that ironic Dstahl is the new guy. the last guy Zinc I would not trust him. you could say I'm giving dstahl the benefit of the doubt because of how new he is. this can change easy, depending on his actions. but I don't look at the title of the person, I look at the person himself, and that is something that everyone should do. look at a person's soul to get a measure of the men, not at what he wears, what he drives, or what is his title.



also John Needham is captain of the USS. Cryptic, and Jack Emmert is his second officer.

my mistake i should have called it USS STO, as there s also the USS CO

i have no beef against Mr Stahl, he s much more open to discussion and communicating than his predecessor. I agree Mr Stahl seems to be a good person but i try not to forget that he has a job to perform...his primary function is to make STO successful and profitable. And once again he most likely knew or maybe decided himself to add slots/ character and the 2 ships in the C store. I don t see the C store dudes(who ever they are) doing this without his approval...he maybe did not have the choice either...need cash, lowering subs, .goal to reach etc...

so i had to rewrite a little the first episodes and add the second one...and all for free... no Venatici store BS...


At the CrypFleet HQ

Fleet Admiral CEO: Thank you Admiral COO for coming in such a short notice

Vice Admiral COO: it s a pleasure sir, how can i help you today.

Fleet Admiral CEO: i ve received some report from Admiral CFO(chief financial officer) from Section Gr33d... the USS CO is not doing very well and the USS STO while barely out of the shipyard is already showing signs of...

Vice admiral COO: i know sir...i ve been informed as well. And we are building a third ship at the moment...

Fleet Admiral CEO: We really need to prove to President Atari,we can make this working and get some additional founding.

Vice Admiral COO: let me contact the Capt of the USS STO to make sure the engine is at full capacity and if we can squeeze a bit more from it

Later on via secure subspace channel:

Vice Admiral COO: Good morning Capt

Capt Exec Producer: Good morning Admiral, first of all thank you again for giving me my first ship. She s beautiful(and somehow empty)

Vice admiral COO: you well deserved it, your positive connection with the player base is very important in this type of assignment. I m going to give you your first assignment...

Capt Exec Producer: i m listening Admiral.

Vice Admiral COO: Section Gr33d has reported some very unpleasing news... the figures are not the one we were expected from your ship with a such big IP associated. You need to make more money a way or another...i should not remind you what happened to your predecessor....

Capt Exec Producer: No sir, i ll be sure to do whatever it takes to brings the numbers up... You won t be disappointed. You can trust me

Vice Admiral COO: it would not serve your interest... COO out


A hour later at a staff meeting aboard the USS STO

Capt Exec Producer: Alright Admiral COO contact me, we need to make more doh because blablabla... i m listening to your suggestions

Lt Commander marketing: well we can add more stuff into the C store for big bucks, the player base seems to buy anything we throw at them and the Galaxi X turned out to be a pretty good deal(for us)

Commander accounting: this is a great idea, is there a way to add some more things into the C store without making them from scratch?(it s just cheaper)

Lt Commander design and arts: i think my team can make a couple of ships they really want... it would not be that difficult as they already exist.

Lieutenant programming and stuff: i believe it should not be too long to add slots for more BO/ships and customs. it s already in game.

Lt Commander Marketing: very good Lt, i think we can even sell them per Character and not per account... it makes a lot of sense to me

Capt Exec Producer: excellent, i like all these ideas, yes Ensign community ...do you have anything to say....

Ensign Community: i don t think the players are going to like this very much....but i ll do my best to lock negative threads and relocate some of them to some overlooked part of the forums

Capt Exec Producer: Perfect Ensign, Well Gentleman i want a couple of these ships into the C stores at a good price and add slots per characters.... make it so

Few days later in the STO captain office:

Capt Exec Producer: ok the ships are nearly ready and the slots for characters only are good to go...very nice... let s informed the player base about this decision...via subspace internet.
(tapping on his com-badge) Lt C-store this is the captain, you have my authorization to launch the additional BO/ ships/ costumes on the C-store...

Lt C-store: Sir, yes Sir

Later on

Ensign Community: Captain, this is Ensign Community, i think we have a problem...

Capt Exec Producer: Yes Ensign, what is happening?

Ensign Community:the players are expressing some serious concerns about the additional slots being per character only...and the news about paying for cannon ships is well taken either. i have more than half dozen of threads about it. Do you want me to engage pattern lock and under carpet?

Capt Exc Producer: Damn it...Bridge, RED ALERT. what do they expect... having everything for free... Ensign community Wait for few hours then start the forum cleaning. we need to leave them the impression they can still express their feelings. i have an idea. Exc Producer out

Computer, which one of the 3 different additional slots are the least profitable?

USS STO Computer: bip bip noise... from my calculation the 2 Costume additional slots should be the least profitable.

Capt Exec Producer: (Com-badge)To all senior officers, would you please join me in the conference room at once.

In the USS STO conference room

Capt Exec producer: The community did not like our last C store point spending attempt. we are going to make some tough decisions...Ensign Community, tell the players we are going to make the Costumes slots per account. that should calm them down a bit. Lt C_store pull the add. costume slots from the C store please until they can work for an acount

Lt C store and Ensign Community: Sir yes sir

Commander Accounting: Sir, if i may, this is going to lower our profit...Section Gr33d will not appreciate at all...

Lt Commander Marketing: I concur

Capt Exec Producer: i know that well, but we need to throw them a bone or they are not going to buy anything...any other idea?

Commander Accounting: at the same time it would be wise to get the tribble thingy running with some nice stuff on it.

Lt Programming and stuff: very well sir. i ll add the interiors in the next build...May i ask you why sir?

Commander Accounting: we need a very good diversion this time as i have more money to take away from them in the near future. Just can t have everything this time, i agree with you captain.

Capt Exec Producer: Hmm i don t like this very much, but we don t have much choice, in the same time i will tell them i m working on a POTENTIAL way to get the ships in game as well. That s it for now. You have your orders. Dismiss

To be continued...

every characters are fictional and do not reflect reality at any time...if it does it s just a coincidence...


alright... that s it for now... i had few good laughs while writing this... i wish i could draw something... a cartoon would be so much better. I still have to Introduce Lt Commander Dev. and some others... if you have any ideas... fell free to do so...until i get the boot i guess...

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i have no beef against Mr Stahl, he s much more open to discussion and communicating than his predecessor. I agree Mr Stahl seems to be a good person but i try not to forget that he has a job to perform...his primary function is to make STO successful and profitable. And once again he most likely knew or maybe decided himself to add slots/ character and the 2 ships in the C store. I don t see the C store dudes(who ever they are) doing this without his approval...he maybe did not have the choice either...need cash, lowering subs, .goal to reach etc...



I understand that he has a job to do, but at the same time I think he is more down to earth about the players. he knows that if you tick off all of your players you lose a lot of money. I think he is getting a lot of pressure form the upper people. ( and it sounds like the accountants are doing their best to call the shots. ) but when makes comments about trying to negotiate a way for us to earn C-store points in game, but the bean counters are giving him trouble you have to feel that is he is trying. now if he does it or not is a different story, but for now I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and at the same time I'm going to continue to support him my baking threads, and comments about wanting to earn C-store points in game.

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Zoddammit!

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my mistake i should have called it USS STO, as there s also the USS CO

i have no beef against Mr Stahl, he s much more open to discussion and communicating than his predecessor. I agree Mr Stahl seems to be a good person but i try not to forget that he has a job to perform...his primary function is to make STO successful and profitable. And once again he most likely knew or maybe decided himself to add slots/ character and the 2 ships in the C store. I don t see the C store dudes(who ever they are) doing this without his approval...he maybe did not have the choice either...need cash, lowering subs, .goal to reach etc...

so i had to rewrite a little the first episodes and add the second one...and all for free... no Venatici store BS...


At the CrypFleet HQ

Fleet Admiral CEO: Thank you Admiral COO for coming in such a short notice

Vice Admiral COO: it s a pleasure sir, how can i help you today.

Fleet Admiral CEO: i ve received some report from Admiral CFO(chief financial officer) from Section Gr33d... the USS CO is not doing very well and the USS STO while barely out of the shipyard is already showing signs of...

Vice admiral COO: i know sir...i ve been informed as well. And we are building a third ship at the moment...

Fleet Admiral CEO: We really need to prove to President Atari,we can make this working and get some additional founding.

Vice Admiral COO: let me contact the Capt of the USS STO to make sure the engine is at full capacity and if we can squeeze a bit more from it

Later on via secure subspace channel:

Vice Admiral COO: Good morning Capt

Capt Exec Producer: Good morning Admiral, first of all thank you again for giving me my first ship. She s beautiful(and somehow empty)

Vice admiral COO: you well deserved it, your positive connection with the player base is very important in this type of assignment. I m going to give you your first assignment...

Capt Exec Producer: i m listening Admiral.

Vice Admiral COO: Section Gr33d has reported some very unpleasing news... the figures are not the one we were expected from your ship with a such big IP associated. You need to make more money a way or another...i should not remind you what happened to your predecessor....

Capt Exec Producer: No sir, i ll be sure to do whatever it takes to brings the numbers up... You won t be disappointed. You can trust me

Vice Admiral COO: it would not serve your interest... COO out


A hour later at a staff meeting aboard the USS STO

Capt Exec Producer: Alright Admiral COO contact me, we need to make more doh because blablabla... i m listening to your suggestions

Lt Commander marketing: well we can add more stuff into the C store for big bucks, the player base seems to buy anything we throw at them and the Galaxi X turned out to be a pretty good deal(for us)

Commander accounting: this is a great idea, is there a way to add some more things into the C store without making them from scratch?(it s just cheaper)

Lt Commander design and arts: i think my team can make a couple of ships they really want... it would not be that difficult as they already exist.

Lieutenant programming and stuff: i believe it should not be too long to add slots for more BO/ships and customs. it s already in game.

Lt Commander Marketing: very good Lt, i think we can even sell them per Character and not per account... it makes a lot of sense to me

Capt Exec Producer: excellent, i like all these ideas, yes Ensign community ...do you have anything to say....

Ensign Community: i don t think the players are going to like this very much....but i ll do my best to lock negative threads and relocate some of them to some overlooked part of the forums

Capt Exec Producer: Perfect Ensign, Well Gentleman i want a couple of these ships into the C stores at a good price and add slots per characters.... make it so

Few days later in the STO captain office:

Capt Exec Producer: ok the ships are nearly ready and the slots for characters only are good to go...very nice... let s informed the player base about this decision...via subspace internet.
(tapping on his com-badge) Lt C-store this is the captain, you have my authorization to launch the additional BO/ ships/ costumes on the C-store...

Lt C-store: Sir, yes Sir

Later on

Ensign Community: Captain, this is Ensign Community, i think we have a problem...

Capt Exec Producer: Yes Ensign, what is happening?

Ensign Community:the players are expressing some serious concerns about the additional slots being per character only...and the news about paying for cannon ships is well taken either. i have more than half dozen of threads about it. Do you want me to engage pattern lock and under carpet?

Capt Exc Producer: Damn it...Bridge, RED ALERT. what do they expect... having everything for free... Ensign community Wait for few hours then start the forum cleaning. we need to leave them the impression they can still express their feelings. i have an idea. Exc Producer out

Computer, which one of the 3 different additional slots are the least profitable?

USS STO Computer: bip bip noise... from my calculation the 2 Costume additional slots should be the least profitable.

Capt Exec Producer: (Com-badge)To all senior officers, would you please join me in the conference room at once.

In the USS STO conference room

Capt Exec producer: The community did not like our last C store point spending attempt. we are going to make some tough decisions...Ensign Community, tell the players we are going to make the Costumes slots per account. that should calm them down a bit. Lt C_store pull the add. costume slots from the C store please until they can work for an acount

Lt C store and Ensign Community: Sir yes sir

Commander Accounting: Sir, if i may, this is going to lower our profit...Section Gr33d will not appreciate at all...

Lt Commander Marketing: I concur

Capt Exec Producer: i know that well, but we need to throw them a bone or they are not going to buy anything...any other idea?

Commander Accounting: at the same time it would be wise to get the tribble thingy running with some nice stuff on it.

Lt Programming and stuff: very well sir. i ll add the interiors in the next build...May i ask you why sir?

Commander Accounting: we need a very good diversion this time as i have more money to take away from them in the near future. Just can t have everything this time, i agree with you captain.

Capt Exec Producer: Hmm i don t like this very much, but we don t have much choice, in the same time i will tell them i m working on a POTENTIAL way to get the ships in game as well. That s it for now. You have your orders. Dismiss

To be continued...

every characters are fictional and do not reflect reality at any time...if it does it s just a coincidence...


alright... that s it for now... i had few good laughs while writing this... i wish i could draw something... a cartoon would be so much better. I still have to Introduce Lt Commander Dev. and some others... if you have any ideas... fell free to do so...until i get the boot i guess...

That was awesome (and probably quite accurate)! I personally stopped trusting Cryptic after the whole C-Store Exclusives thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I send them a message every week asking for an explanation for their somewhat arbitrary policies and I get ignored or canned responses. It's very irritating.

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Cryptic said both roper and jack both said cstore would only be used for cosmetic items.
Then suddenly we getting full ships and other stuff that causes ingame effects other then costumes and ships skin , now we got races ,ships , some special awards , buff pets next is prolly weapons .... and weapon slots and what not all to make a buck.

To me this only shows cryptic cant be trusted at all they will say one thing then when push comes to show and they find out they could make more they just go back on their word and disregard what they said and promised...

And before u go on about this is a company thats after making profit , its not about that its about consumer loyalty and thrust , how can a consumer trust anything they say any more?

if you have that much of a problem with the C-store and the way cryptic handles the game then there's a simple solution dude. cancel your subscription and quit playing. your feed back is appreciated but your attempt to get people to stop spending money in the c-store is not appreciated.

The stuff in the cstore hasn't affected the game whatso ever far as game balance and I for one love the store. again I repeat if you dont' like the cstore no one is twisting your arm making you buy anything nor is anyone forcing you to pay to play this game.

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I understand that he has a job to do, but at the same time I think he is more down to earth about the players. he knows that if you tick off all of your players you lose a lot of money. I think he is getting a lot of pressure form the upper people. ( and it sounds like the accountants are doing their best to call the shots. ) but when makes comments about trying to negotiate a way for us to earn C-store points in game, but the bean counters are giving him trouble you have to feel that is he is trying. now if he does it or not is a different story, but for now I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and at the same time I'm going to continue to support him my baking threads, and comments about wanting to earn C-store points in game.

Basically, if dstahl manages to get something going like your merit/CP conversion rate, I'll take it as a sign that Cryptic is turning around for the better. If not, then I still have enough built up goodwill for dstahl personally to believe that he tried, but if even he in his position can't get things turned around then I'm never giving a cent to Cryptic/Atari again.

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Basically, if dstahl manages to get something going like your merit/CP conversion rate, I'll take it as a sign that Cryptic is turning around for the better. If not, then I still have enough built up goodwill for dstahl personally to believe that he tried, but if even he in his position can't get things turned around then I'm never giving a cent to Cryptic/Atari again.

and you know what the people who run atari/cryptic won't shed a tear. Its their game their rules and they run it the way they want and they are in the business to make money not bow down to every little thing this person and that person wants. If they give in to this demand then they will have this fool wanting them to give in to this demand and then that demand and then the list goes on. At some point a fine line has to be drawn at where to give in to. And it seems that when Cryptic won't give in to a bunch of people in these threads people want to throw a fit and cry about quitting and how they will never buy another cryptic game or how they can never trust cryptic again because cryptic won't give in to their wishes.

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and you know what the people who run atari/cryptic won't shed a tear. Its their game their rules and they run it the way they want and they are in the business to make money not bow down to every little thing this person and that person wants. If they give in to this demand then they will have this fool wanting them to give in to this demand and then that demand and then the list goes on. At some point a fine line has to be drawn at where to give in to. And it seems that when Cryptic won't give in to a bunch of people in these threads people want to throw a fit and cry about quitting and how they will never buy another cryptic game or how they can never trust cryptic again because cryptic won't give in to their wishes.

They're breaking promises that they made in clear language and when called on it weaseling away with stretching the meanings of words rather than having even the decency to say it straight that they changed their minds.

That the gameplay is also mediocre in the best cases and they're charging industry-leading premiums beyond that on their broken promises just takes it from offensive to ludicrous.

You're right, Cryptic/Atari probably won't miss me in particular. I find myself wondering exactly when they're going to realize they should start missing people, seeing as the population just keeps bleeding off.

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They're breaking promises that they made in clear language and when called on it weaseling away with stretching the meanings of words rather than having even the decency to say it straight that they changed their minds.

That the gameplay is also mediocre in the best cases and they're charging industry-leading premiums beyond that on their broken promises just takes it from offensive to ludicrous.

You're right, Cryptic/Atari probably won't miss me in particular. I find myself wondering exactly when they're going to realize they should start missing people, seeing as the population just keeps bleeding off.


you know what why dont' all video game companies that make mmos just go ahead and shut down and just go back to making completely single player offline games that way everyone will be happy. It is completely obvious and history has taught us obviously that when you get a crowd together over the internet people thrive on making one another miserable and if they cant' be happy and enjoy a game like star trek they don't want anyone else to enjoy it either.

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you know what why dont' all video game companies that make mmos just go ahead and shut down and just go back to making completely single player offline games that way everyone will be happy. It is completely obvious and history has taught us obviously that when you get a crowd together over the internet people thrive on making one another miserable and if they cant' be happy and enjoy a game like star trek they don't want anyone else to enjoy it either.

You're damn right I'm not happy. I'm not happy about being lied to. I'm even more unhappy that, because I believed the lie, I wasted words defending it. So no, I don't think anyone should be happy with Cryptic right now, but some people apparently think that companies should be exempt from even the most basic ethical concerns like "don't lie" in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

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You're damn right I'm not happy. I'm not happy about being lied to. I'm even more unhappy that, because I believed the lie, I wasted words defending it. So no, I don't think anyone should be happy with Cryptic right now, but some people apparently think that companies should be exempt from even the most basic ethical concerns like "don't lie" in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

Well then honestly your only recourse other than quitting the game is this. Write a letter to the main corporate office or write a letter to the better business bureau or turn them into the Federal Trade commssion that's what they are there for. That's the only advice I can give you bro.

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I love the game but I truly hate this C-Store system of makin us use real cash to get these points for virtual objects. Make me quest for it, make me travel for it, make it hard to obtain, but i'm already paying a monthly fee for the priviledge of beta testing what should have been a complete game with ship interiors and abundant character slots from the beginning.

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I love the game but I truly hate this C-Store system of makin us use real cash to get these points for virtual objects. Make me quest for it, make me travel for it, make it hard to obtain, but i'm already paying a monthly fee for the priviledge of beta testing what should have been a complete game with ship interiors and abundant character slots from the beginning.

Somethign just occurred to me. if this was something to do with xbox live no one would be complaining. if this was world of ******** no one would be complaining. If this was knights of the old republic no one would be complaining. If this was final finatasy no one would be complaining.

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yeah they getting a ton of flack over this issue and its well deserved , take a look at companies like flagship(went under),funcom, soe etc they all got bad reps and it will plauge them for ages funcom is gonna launch a new mmo soon and trust me if they mess up they might aswell change their name ... SoE i doubt can ever make a solid MMO again for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time...

Um SoE used the Unreal 3 engine to make a new game, and in November this year plans to release DC Universe Online.

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Somethign just occurred to me. if this was something to do with xbox live no one would be complaining. if this was world of ******** no one would be complaining. If this was knights of the old republic no one would be complaining. If this was final finatasy no one would be complaining.

Wrong... people complain a lot about xbox live. ( you wait until MW2 goes pay to play ) WOw has one of the biggest whiny community around. if they started doing this in that game people will whine. ( I think some even whined over the pony store. ) TOR that games needs one million subs to break even, and my bet is they will have a B-store to cover to profits, and if they pulled this then that community would whine. ( think about what would happen if the only way to get a light saber was to buy it on the B-store. ) Final Finatasy I believe already has a store like ours. ( and chances are they also whine. )

so no it is not just because this is Star Trek that people are whining. people are whining because they feel they are not getting their money's worth. ( at least most of the people a few others have their own opinions )

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if you have that much of a problem with the C-store and the way cryptic handles the game then there's a simple solution dude. cancel your subscription and quit playing. your feed back is appreciated but your attempt to get people to stop spending money in the c-store is not appreciated.

The stuff in the cstore hasn't affected the game whatso ever far as game balance and I for one love the store. again I repeat if you dont' like the cstore no one is twisting your arm making you buy anything nor is anyone forcing you to pay to play this game.

Thank you for your help, we would not know what to do without you. Have a blessed evening, somewhere else... :)

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Thank you for your help, we would not know what to do without you. Have a blessed evening, somewhere else... :)

I'm afraid I don't have to bud. my subscription fee gives me the right. you don't like the cstore and want to do nothing but complain about it then quit simple as that if you hate the game so bad bro you and the other people like you. peace

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Wrong... people complain a lot about xbox live. ( you wait until MW2 goes pay to play ) WOw has one of the biggest whiny community around. if they started doing this in that game people will whine. ( I think some even whined over the pony store. ) TOR that games needs one million subs to break even, and my bet is they will have a B-store to cover to profits, and if they pulled this then that community would whine. ( think about what would happen if the only way to get a light saber was to buy it on the B-store. ) Final Finatasy I believe already has a store like ours. ( and chances are they also whine. )

so no it is not just because this is Star Trek that people are whining. people are whining because they feel they are not getting their money's worth. ( at least most of the people a few others have their own opinions )

I'm just tired of the complaining about this game and people taking for granted when the developers are working very hard on this game when the company doesn't have to do what they do. the developers don't have to interact on the level with the players that they do. They do and do nothing but get ridiculed and its never enough for the players. people still complain and complain and complain. Its a never ending hate cycle.

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I'm afraid I don't have to bud. my subscription fee gives me the right. you don't like the cstore and want to do nothing but complain about it then quit simple as that if you hate the game so bad bro you and the other people like you. peace

Peace yourself pal. As you so put it, I have a right as well. So, if you don't like our discussing it, how about YOU go cancel and do something else.
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I'm just tired of the complaining about this game and people taking for granted when the developers are working very hard on this game when the company doesn't have to do what they do. the developers don't have to interact on the level with the players that they do. They do and do nothing but get ridiculed and its never enough for the players. people still complain and complain and complain. Its a never ending hate cycle.

And you are helping to make it go round and round... :p

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Peace yourself pal. As you so put it, I have a right as well. So, if you don't like our discussing it, how about YOU go cancel and do something else.
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blah blah blah mr elitist

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Peace yourself pal. As you so put it, I have a right as well. So, if you don't like our discussing it, how about YOU go cancel and do something else.
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I'd like to see you make me big boy

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Ahh, that's better.

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Somethign just occurred to me. if this was something to do with xbox live no one would be complaining. if this was world of ******** no one would be complaining. If this was knights of the old republic no one would be complaining. If this was final finatasy no one would be complaining.

I should not get involved in this. Blizzard has a reputation they can bank on, but they are far from exempt when it comes to player criticism. That whole epic mount as a micro-transaction actually made news headlines. In those articles about WoW's use of expensive mounts as MTs they related how there were forum fires. Knights of the Old Republic? Again BioWare has an established reputation for success in single player MMOs like KoTOR. I am curious how TOR (The online MMO version of KoTOR) will pan out. At this point though I will probably not play if BioWare has micro-transactions in it, (and I am a dyed in the wool BioWare fan boi!).

You're a smart person, I've seen the tactics you use when you intentionally shut threads down in this forum, so don't act naive. All of these games have official forums and if they do not they have fan forums. They all get criticized. I have seen BioWare criticized in these forums because TOR will not launch with personal spaceships or spaceship combat. As forum speak goes any kind of negative criticism of a title is labeled as complaints by blind fans of that title.

Understand negative criticism comes in two flavors, the kind that comes from people who just want to tear a title up, and constructive criticism that fans use to try to help make a title better. Much of what you read is is the latter variety. We are communicating to Cryptic, about a title we love, what we are actually willing to pay. This thread is less about whining and complaining and more bartering. Some are less hyperboleistic than others but end of the day we are trying to get the cost of the game and it's enhancements, (C-Store) down to a level that more than an elite few can enjoy, and to assure that proceeds from the C-Store, (spent on this game), wind up improving this title more than a nebulous, unnamed third title).

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I should not get involved in this. Blizzard has a reputation they can bank on, but they are far from exempt when it comes to player criticism. That whole epic mount as a micro-transaction actually made news headlines. In those articles about WoW's use of expensive mounts as MTs they related how there were forum fires. Knights of the Old Republic? Again BioWare has an established reputation for success in single player MMOs like KoTOR. I am curious how TOR (The online MMO version of KoTOR) will pan out. At this point though I will probably not play if BioWare has micro-transactions in it, (and I am a dyed in the wool BioWare fan boi!).

You're a smart person, I've seen the tactics you use when you intentionally shut threads down in this forum, so don't act naive. All of these games have official forums and if they do not they have fan forums. They all get criticized. I have seen BioWare criticized in these forums because TOR will not launch with personal spaceships or spaceship combat. As forum speak goes any kind of negative criticism of a title is labeled as complaints by blind fans of that title.

Understand negative criticism comes in two flavors, the kind that comes from people who just want to tear a title up, and constructive criticism that fans use to try to help make a title better. Much of what you read is is the latter variety. We are communicating to Cryptic, about a title we love, what we are actually willing to pay. This thread is less about whining and complaining and more bartering. Some are less hyperboleistic than others but end of the day we are trying to get the cost of the game and it's enhancements, (C-Store) down to a level that more than an elite few can enjoy, and to assure that proceeds from the C-Store, (spent on this game), wind up improving this title more than a nebulous, unnamed third title).

Well said.

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Well said.

Considering that you and Zodi-emish have been some of the more eloquent voices on this topic, I'll take that as a huge compliment. No worries it won't go to my head.:)

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I'm just tired of the complaining about this game and people taking for granted when the developers are working very hard on this game when the company doesn't have to do what they do. the developers don't have to interact on the level with the players that they do. They do and do nothing but get ridiculed and its never enough for the players. people still complain and complain and complain. Its a never ending hate cycle.

Kronoso I was just like you. I defended cryptic in ways that ended in some bad blood between me and a few other forum members ( that is something I'm not proud of ) and it took one event to open my eyes. that event was the sale gate. what happened was they put the game on a super sale before the first month was over, and offered 90 days total to the game. many people saw it as a sign of doom, and that they were just doing a money grab. I saw it different. I saw it as a bad mistake in their marketing. what they were doing was causing fear in the community, and that was not good for the game. So I fought back on the forums, made a thread that turned in a threadnought, and started a PM campaign to Zinc. Cryptic did take some actions that I will not talk about, but those actions fueled the fires even more. it got to the point where they did change what they were doing. sadly at the time I was real bitter at marketing's actions, and I left the game for two, and a half months.

when I came back I started loving and enjoying the game again, but there was one thing I learned. always question the devs, and their actions by asking "is it in the best interest for the game?" if they do something you don't agree with then it is your duty to complain in a civilized manner. that is If you want this game to survive. Fact is we have a lot against us, and it will take the community to keep them on track.

one thing I applied to this game, and it may sound silly, but I do love Star Trek, and this game, is this saying.

Question with boldness all actions the devs do, praise the devs when they earn your praise, and scold the devs when they do wrong. ( 10 forum points if you know where the first three words are from )

it maybe a silly saying, but I don't want to see this game fail because it is really one of our last hope for a true Star Trek MMO, so I question everything they do, and I ask. Is it in the best interest for the game ?

( also I love this game, and even if I'm not a lifer I'm still going to be here for life. )

{ also sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes it is late and I didn't have time to double check my post. }

Now I'm off to bed.

edit one last thing. if they give us a way to earn C-store points in game, or if they give out these ships for free, and put their own remakes on those two ships in the C-store I will be back to fanboi status level 8. right now I'm at a level 5.6 on the fanboi meter ( interiors helped. )

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Kronoso I was just like you. I defended cryptic in ways that ended in some bad blood between me and a few other forum members ( that is something I'm not proud of ) and it took one event to open my eyes. that event was the sale gate. what happened was they put the game on a super sale before the first month was over, and offered 90 days total to the game. many people saw it as a sign of doom, and that they were just doing a money grab. I saw it different. I saw it as a bad mistake in their marketing. what they were doing was causing fear in the community, and that was not good for the game. So I fought back on the forums, made a thread that turned in a threadnought, and started a PM campaign to Zinc. Cryptic did take some actions that I will not talk about, but those actions fueled the fires even more. it got to the point where they did change what they were doing. sadly at the time I was real bitter at marketing's actions, and I left the game for two, and a half months.

when I came back I started loving and enjoying the game again, but there was one thing I learned. always question the devs, and their actions by asking "is it in the best interest for the game?" if they do something you don't agree with then it is your duty to complain in a civilized manner. that is If you want this game to survive. Fact is we have a lot against us, and it will take the community to keep them on track.

one thing I applied to this game, and it may sound silly, but I do love Star Trek, and this game, is this saying.

Question with boldness all actions the devs do, praise the devs when they earn your praise, and scold the devs when they do wrong. ( 10 forum points if you know where the first three words are from )

it maybe a silly saying, but I don't want to see this game fail because it is really one of our last hope for a true Star Trek MMO, so I question everything they do, and I ask. Is it in the best interest for the game ?

( also I love this game, and even if I'm not a lifer I'm still going to be here for life. )

{ also sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes it is late and I didn't have time to double check my post. }

Now I'm off to bed.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." ~Thomas Jefferson

I also like Euripides', "Question everything."

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G'nite all. May we wake tomorrow to peace and love on the horizon and....


Oh hell, Mr. Sulu, fire phasers and take us to the next planet!

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." ~Thomas Jefferson

I also like Euripides', "Question everything."

bingo you win 10 forum points. sadly they about as worthless as energy credits. :D

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bingo you win 10 forum points. sadly they about as worthless as energy credits. :D

ZODDAMMIT! ROFL. I knew that of course, I just can't help myself when it comes to quotable quotes, they offer insight to the mind of the person who employs them.

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ZODDAMMIT! ROFL. I knew that of course, I just can't help myself when it comes to quotable quotes, they offer insight to the mind of the person who employs them.

So what does that quote say about my mind? * zodi does the spock eyebrow raise * (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2iaKs-s_54)

( just curious )

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ZODDAMMIT! ROFL. I knew that of course, I just can't help myself when it comes to quotable quotes, they offer insight to the mind of the person who employs them.

Now, if they were convertible to forum merits.... :D

Ahem. Just adding my voice to wanting to know if Cryptic/Atari's marketing/finance guys are going to allow the merits-to-CPoints conversion. Even if it's a somewhat ridiculous number, that'd erase much of the sourness a lot of people are currently feeling.

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Now, if they were convertible to forum merits.... :D

Ahem. Just adding my voice to wanting to know if Cryptic/Atari's marketing/finance guys are going to allow the merits-to-CPoints conversion. Even if it's a somewhat ridiculous number, that'd erase much of the sourness a lot of people are currently feeling.

The best way I see it working is this way. This was done by superchum.

Re-posting this because occasionally I do make a useful, informative post and it gets buried ...

Well respecs are the place to go to figure out an exchange rate.

20 to 30k merits = 500 Cryptic Points.

Make it 25k, split the difference. So 50 merits = 1 Cryptic Point.

40,000 Merits = 1 TOS Constitution.

100,000 Merits = 1 Galaxy X.

The Excelsior and the Nebula can fall in between that.

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This is a very binary issue.

Is the game fun? Yes or no.

If yes, stop posting on the forums and play the game more.

If no, stop posting on the forums and cancel your account. Or if you're a lifetimer, uninstall the game from your hard drive.

Problems solved.

EDIT: And props to Zodi for quoting me. I think I got my math wrong, as the character transfer is 400 CPs, not 500. But the general idea remains the same. And I'm all in favor of a CP to Merits exchange. It then turns those items into a time based reward, and lets people get them in-game. With a lot of effort in-game. But still ... in-game.

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*maths*

So that'd be about 30 hours (at the maximum of 2 per hour) of grinding B'tran DSE 3-packs for the Connie and 75 for the Gal-X. Assuming very optimistically that the average subscriber can put in 2 solid hours a day at that rate, that's a little over a month for the Gal-X. So more realistically I'd say the average subber would have to devote almost as many days worth of subscription time to getting the G-X as its price tag. So one would think the bean counters might go for it.

Edit: Bah, now I have to re-math. Well, nah. We'll just leave it at "shorter". Still fully reasonable I think, since I doubt many subscribers have the endurance to grind at 100% efficiency during sparse free time.

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This is a very binary issue.

Is the game fun? Yes or no.

If yes, stop posting on the forums and play the game more.

If no, stop posting on the forums and cancel your account. Or if you're a lifetimer, uninstall the game from your hard drive.

Problems solved.
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there is a problem, as a super nerd I have my gaming computer on one screen, and a linux machine on another screen, and a lot of the time I'm playing the game, and talking on the forums. so those options don't work. :D;)



EDIT: And props to Zodi for quoting me. I think I got my math wrong, as the character transfer is 400 CPs, not 500. But the general idea remains the same. And I'm all in favor of a CP to Merits exchange. It then turns those items into a time based reward, and lets people get them in-game. With a lot of effort in-game. But still ... in-game.

also what you posted was in my opinion the best conversion, and that is why I keep on posting it around the forums. ( to get the item in the minds of the devs, and the community ) I have to say thank you for that.


also I should be in bed, but these silly forums make it hard to leave. grr. oh well good night.

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So what does that quote say about my mind? * zodi does the spock eyebrow raise * (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2iaKs-s_54)

( just curious )

I thought you went to bed. * Pi does the Dramatic Spock just to see if he can cover a link with text * (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVq8gaXRmo) From what little I can know of you such a quote says to me you are a deep and introspective thinker.

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Kronoso I was just like you. I defended cryptic in ways that ended in some bad blood between me and a few other forum members ( that is something I'm not proud of ) and it took one event to open my eyes. that event was the sale gate. what happened was they put the game on a super sale before the first month was over, and offered 90 days total to the game. many people saw it as a sign of doom, and that they were just doing a money grab. I saw it different. I saw it as a bad mistake in their marketing. what they were doing was causing fear in the community, and that was not good for the game. So I fought back on the forums, made a thread that turned in a threadnought, and started a PM campaign to Zinc. Cryptic did take some actions that I will not talk about, but those actions fueled the fires even more. it got to the point where they did change what they were doing. sadly at the time I was real bitter at marketing's actions, and I left the game for two, and a half months.

when I came back I started loving and enjoying the game again, but there was one thing I learned. always question the devs, and their actions by asking "is it in the best interest for the game?" if they do something you don't agree with then it is your duty to complain in a civilized manner. that is If you want this game to survive. Fact is we have a lot against us, and it will take the community to keep them on track.

one thing I applied to this game, and it may sound silly, but I do love Star Trek, and this game, is this saying.

Question with boldness all actions the devs do, praise the devs when they earn your praise, and scold the devs when they do wrong. ( 10 forum points if you know where the first three words are from )

it maybe a silly saying, but I don't want to see this game fail because it is really one of our last hope for a true Star Trek MMO, so I question everything they do, and I ask. Is it in the best interest for the game ?

( also I love this game, and even if I'm not a lifer I'm still going to be here for life. )

{ also sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes it is late and I didn't have time to double check my post. }

Now I'm off to bed.

edit one last thing. if they give us a way to earn C-store points in game, or if they give out these ships for free, and put their own remakes on those two ships in the C-store I will be back to fanboi status level 8. right now I'm at a level 5.6 on the fanboi meter ( interiors helped. )

I understand the finer points of what your saying but I also see the other posts besides what the good ones like yours. There are those that are being posted just to drag the game down. Like the other night I was on and people were talking in zone chat saying they hope this game fails and that once knights of the old republic comes ouot they were dropping this game to go play that anyways. Its that kind of mentality that I'm tired of dealing with. Why would you play this game and then purposely want this game to fail? I dunno what to think sometimes with all these different threads on the forums. Half of them are good and seem to have valid complaints and the other half seem to just take up space just to spread hate and be mean spirited to the people who work for cryptic and that only sends a message to them that its not worth their time interacting with their customer base.

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As a European Customer I stopped trusting Cryptic after release. 1st the Collectors Edition was not as advertized, 2nd the game was not as advertized, 3rd there was no support to the game in my country at all.

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The worst I've seen tbh now back to making utube vid about it all lol

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YES shock. They have been doing that from day one. The big launch the big numbers. Well they added there Champions sales into that. It is nothing new and they have not change the new C-Store item of two extra slot for cloth well that two slot for the account on there Champions site for the same price.

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Cryptic said both roper and jack both said cstore would only be used for cosmetic items.
Then suddenly we getting full ships and other stuff that causes ingame effects other then costumes and ships skin , now we got races ,ships , some special awards , buff pets next is prolly weapons .... and weapon slots and what not all to make a buck.

To me this only shows cryptic cant be trusted at all they will say one thing then when push comes to show and they find out they could make more they just go back on their word and disregard what they said and promised...

And before u go on about this is a company thats after making profit , its not about that its about consumer loyalty and thrust , how can a consumer trust anything they say any more?

Did they actually say this about STO? I remember them saying it about Champions which nothing game breaking has happened.

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This is a very binary issue.

Is the game fun? Yes or no.

If yes, stop posting on the forums and play the game more.

If no, stop posting on the forums and cancel your account. Or if you're a lifetimer, uninstall the game from your hard drive.

Problems solved.


So, does this mean you'll never be seen in the forums again or that you can't even follow your own logic?

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Did they actually say this about STO? I remember them saying it about Champions which nothing game breaking has happened.

The same things were said by Cryptic in STO's pre-launch complaint thread about microtransactions, yes. It's unfortunate that Cryptic has kept its promises in one game and not the other, though I suspect that it's because the CO community was less willing to let crap fly past them.

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This is a very binary issue.

Is the game fun? Yes or no.

If yes, stop posting on the forums and play the game more.

If no, stop posting on the forums and cancel your account. Or if you're a lifetimer, uninstall the game from your hard drive.

Problems solved.

In the immortal words of Khan Noonien Singh, "Why are you here?" :rolleyes:

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So, does this mean you'll never be seen in the forums again or that you can't even follow your own logic?

What it means is you won't see me making these absolute statements in rant-filled threads about how you can or can't trust a business to look out for its business interests. I try to be a tad more flexible and reasonable and I'm too old to have all the angst of youth and all that energy to waste chasing windmills these days.

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What it means is you won't see me making these absolute statements in rant-filled threads about how you can or can't trust a business to look out for its business interests. I try to be a tad more flexible and reasonable and I'm too old to have all the angst of youth and all that energy to waste chasing windmills these days.

How disappointing.

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What it means is you won't see me making these absolute statements in rant-filled threads about how you can or can't trust a business to look out for its business interests. I try to be a tad more flexible and reasonable and I'm too old to have all the angst of youth and all that energy to waste chasing windmills these days.

heh....


a post worthy of reading twice.


:):cool:

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and you know what the people who run atari/cryptic won't shed a tear. Its their game their rules and they run it the way they want and they are in the business to make money not bow down to every little thing this person and that person wants. If they give in to this demand then they will have this fool wanting them to give in to this demand and then that demand and then the list goes on. At some point a fine line has to be drawn at where to give in to. And it seems that when Cryptic won't give in to a bunch of people in these threads people want to throw a fit and cry about quitting and how they will never buy another cryptic game or how they can never trust cryptic again because cryptic won't give in to their wishes.

And yet sometimes when people whine and cry, they do give in. (*cough* Pre-Order Exclusives *cough*), so it does work some of the time.

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kinda funny how cryptic seems to evade this forum section maybe we should link post like this on game sites forums.... maybe they will get that a lot of us is really upset over this crap.

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kinda funny how cryptic seems to evade this forum section maybe we should link post like this on game sites forums.... maybe they will get that a lot of us is really upset over this crap.

It's a double edged sword though. I agree with you that it would turn up the heat, but it would also drive a lot of potential business/players away as well. I marvel at the fact that the PTB just cannot dislodge the cranial unit from the rectal cavity and analyze the data that is directly in fromt of them.

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It's a double edged sword though. I agree with you that it would turn up the heat, but it would also drive a lot of potential business/players away as well. I marvel at the fact that the PTB just cannot dislodge the cranial unit from the rectal cavity and analyze the data that is directly in fromt of them.

Yeah i kinda want the game to succseed to but it seems we need to kick cryptics rear end each time we want something done ... its like pulling out teeth to get an sensible answer about anything...
Take the new carrier for klingons it just shows how out of touch the devs are with the klingon player community . All this back and forth wait for 45 day patch then patch 1 then 1.2 then issue 2 etc all to string subs along . Kinda patetic then they try hide the discontent way down in some obscure location on the forums im amazed they dident hide the cstore forum under the other language forums ....... but yes im getting bitter i so want this game a TREK mmo to be what every trekker and scifi fan want , not a space shoot em up game.... with a huge micro transaction shop ...

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I'd just like to say that when the C-store was first mentioned WAY back when I was for it. I didn't really see the harm in putting things in like uniforms or different races. Nothing too drastic, just some interesting things to help fund the game. I understand that MMO's are under a LOT of pressure to produce WoW-like numbers because that's pretty much the gold standard in the industry right now.

My biggest issue has been the very underhanded way Cryptic goes about doing business and how dishonest they've been. The things being added in the C-Store aren't cosmetic, they're actually pretty game breaking. Adding the Mirror Universe uniforms and the preorder bonuses were also very shady.

Now, I can't place all the blame on Cryptic. If players as a group didn't keep asking for these things and buying them, it wouldn't be so out of control. It's hard to cry foul about the how much is going into the store if 75% of the players are going to buy from it.

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well they say a sucker is born every minute, and I'm like the rest of you I've used my points and got more.
Why? my own issues......
I do believe they gone a little to far with what they are charging there customers for and what should be given for free.
re spec capt abilities pay for..... emote khannnnn should be free... just one example..
I think had the game been better in all area's at release then this c store issues wouldn't have been as bad as it is now..
there sub base would be good so they wouldn't be trying to nickle and dime there customers they have now.
There trying to plug a thousand holes with ten fingers with a boat that's already in the water..

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I think had the game been better in all area's at release then this c store issues wouldn't have been as bad as it is now..

I disagree. The game could have been 100 times better at release, but the C-Store complaints would still be getting posted anyways. They're not connected. People like the c-store until it offers up something they actually want, and then they complain about it. That's just the way it goes.

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Obvious bash-thread is obvious.

Cryptic can be a bit fickle at times, as can all gaming companies, but they are really trying to enhance he game. It's unpolished, it's prone to hate, and yes, it is a bit of a money-sponge, but just give it time or don't go on the C-Store at all. I don't care what you do. But please don't bash the executives, as that is how bans are put in place. It also ruins the game for the rest of us, we mighty few who think this game has some promise.

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Cryptic said both roper and jack both said cstore would only be used for cosmetic items.

This is misquoting someone in order to prove your point Tarjan. I expect better of you. The actual quote states that the C-store will be mostly cosmetic items, and that items which have an in-game effect will be able to be earned in-game, or items in-game will have similar effects.

What we promised is that any item which does have an in-game effect will also have something of equal power available for free, in-game. We have not broken those promises yet, the refits of the Galaxy, Intrepid and Defiant, will be of equal power to the Galaxy X, which is the only item currently on the c-store which offers a major advantage.

Also, to add on to that, many players believe that the Galaxy X is not as powerful as other top of the line ships currently available in-game. So those players are also stating that there is not a balance problem due to items available on the C-Store.

kinda funny how cryptic seems to evade this forum section maybe we should link post like this on game sites forums.... maybe they will get that a lot of us is really upset over this crap.

Quite the opposite actually. I read quite a bit in this forum specifically due to the amount of people that are upset with the C-Store. just because we don't post a reply to every thread doesn't mean we don't read it.

If I responded to every thread I read with "Stormshade was here," as proof that I had read the thread, would that actually contribute anything? The answer is no. So therefore, I remain silent on a great number of the threads I'm reading, and only chime in when I have something worthwhile to add to the conversation. Several members of the development team have similar habits.

Obvious bash-thread is obvious.

I agree. Which is why this thread is now closed.