65K Damage on Ground PvP

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I am not sure if anyone else has done better or not, but it was my personal best.

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come onto my ship and shoot out the window ill pay you

thats more damage then soem tricobalt crits
nice

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come onto my ship and shoot out the window ill pay you

If this had been Perpetual's game, he could have done that!

Well, in another 3 years or so.

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lol ground?

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lol ground?

/signed

STO, proudly bringing the worst ground combat engine since the Atari 2600, for simpletons to enjoy.

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lol ground?

Space PvP threads that way ---------->

Hope that helps :)

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Jeeeeeeeesus Christ

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I am not sure if anyone else has done better or not, but it was my personal best.

Probably not.. Not very many people that *really* care about ground PvP.. But I suppose being "The Best" of 30 players is better than being "The Best" of 10 players..

Nice.. I suppose

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lol ground?

Right on bro.

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Space PvP threads that way ---------->

Hope that helps :)

I went there, and got oneshotted by a Tactical! "Phaser Sniper Rifle deals 25,000 to MustrumRidcully" :(

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I seriously hope the changes to ground combat for season 4 will get more player into ground PvP, instead of driving away the last ones. Maybe then you'll not be so alone on these boards, and the "LOL Ground" to Signal ratio will improve in your favor.

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I did, but I got really lucky: http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/1130/screenshot2010111522503.jpg

I was facing three SQUISHY squishy squishy Fed tacs (and 1 sci) who were really squishy and clearly not specced for ground. The fact that the match is to 60, and no one used the virus probably helped a bit. It was really a perfect storm of situation and enemies.

I seriously hope the changes to ground combat for season 4 will get more player into ground PvP, instead of driving away the last ones. Maybe then you'll not be so alone on these boards, and the "LOL Ground" to Signal ratio will improve in your favor.

I hope so too.

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I did, but I got really lucky: http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/1130/screenshot2010111522503.jpg

I was facing three SQUISHY squishy squishy Fed tacs (and 1 sci) who were really squishy and clearly not specced for ground. The fact that the match is to 60, and no one used the virus probably helped a bit. It was really a perfect storm of situation and enemies.



I hope so too.

Yea we were in Arena which only has 30 kills. So its about right. you had 120k damage, and I had a little over half of that in a fight that has half the kills requirement of the one you were in.

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I went there, and got oneshotted by a Tactical! "Phaser Sniper Rifle deals 25,000 to MustrumRidcully" :(

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I seriously hope the changes to ground combat for season 4 will get more player into ground PvP, instead of driving away the last ones. Maybe then you'll not be so alone on these boards, and the "LOL Ground" to Signal ratio will improve in your favor.

Most of the people that go LOL Ground, suck on ground. All of their QQing about how ground sucks is nothing more than a cover up for the fact that they blow at it.

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I'll play ground again when the points are separate, i.e. when beefing up my ground points doesn't cost me in space.

I honestly think ground pvp needs that above all else.

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I'll play ground again when the points are separate, i.e. when beefing up my ground points doesn't cost me in space.

I honestly think ground pvp needs that above all else.

Only for people that want to do space. I really dislike space. I understand that many love it and they should put all there points into it. I put all my points into ground because thats all I do.

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I'll play ground again when the points are separate, i.e. when beefing up my ground points doesn't cost me in space.

I honestly think ground pvp needs that above all else.

It's possible to get a good ground build and be decent at space. Obviously you won't be super at both, but it is possible. You'll have to focus on one kit type probably, but it's doable.

If the skill point cap gets raised when the add some higher ranks, it'll be 100% possible to add a ground build to what is currently a space only build. No I don't have the numbers to back that up, but really, if you can be great at space with a full space build now, more points just means you can put them in ground and be good there too.

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Most of the people that go LOL Ground, suck on ground. All of their QQing about how ground sucks is nothing more than a cover up for the fact that they blow at it.
I bet a significant subset of the "LOL Ground" faction sucks at it because they never cared to learn anything about it - especially those that are definitely good at Space PvP.
And that's a problem of the ground combat mechanics.

I suck at gground combat. But I could get better. I wasn't a born Space PvP player that rocked at the game from the start. Heck, my first character was a Science Officer and I struggled in PvE for a while. But Space was fun. I liked it.

Ground - meh. It didn't feel like Startrek. The entire mechanics were unfun. I could my BOs do most of my works. And so I gave up on ground, and never really tried it as PvP "form".

I am sure I could be better at it. If I cared to do so. I am not saying I'd compete with the best - I don't do in space, either, and I don't expect that too change. But I am sure I could be mediocre to above average if I reall tried. But... I won't. Not unless something changed that made me feel ground combat is fun.

To be honest, I might be slightly harsh on ground combat for PvP, since it is differs far more from its PvP part than Space PvP, without BOs... But the chance it might not suck quite as much as I fear is not enough.

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I bet a significant subset of the "LOL Ground" faction sucks at it because they never cared to learn anything about it



More like we dont care to learn it because it's boring and for *******?

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I bet a significant subset of the "LOL Ground" faction sucks at it because they never cared to learn anything about it - especially those that are definitely good at Space PvP.
And that's a problem of the ground combat mechanics.

I suck at gground combat. But I could get better. I wasn't a born Space PvP player that rocked at the game from the start. Heck, my first character was a Science Officer and I struggled in PvE for a while. But Space was fun. I liked it.

Ground - meh. It didn't feel like Startrek. The entire mechanics were unfun. I could my BOs do most of my works. And so I gave up on ground, and never really tried it as PvP "form".

I am sure I could be better at it. If I cared to do so. I am not saying I'd compete with the best - I don't do in space, either, and I don't expect that too change. But I am sure I could be mediocre to above average if I reall tried. But... I won't. Not unless something changed that made me feel ground combat is fun.

To be honest, I might be slightly harsh on ground combat for PvP, since it is differs far more from its PvP part than Space PvP, without BOs... But the chance it might not suck quite as much as I fear is not enough.

The reasons for why one sucks at ground or space is not important. That fact remains that they suck at it. I suck at space and I dont do space.

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The reasons for why one sucks at ground or space is not important. That fact remains that they suck at it. I suck at space and I dont do space.

So what, indeed, is your point again?

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So what, indeed, is your point again?

Please read the past few post. And if you still dont get my point, then i cant help you.

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The reasons for why one sucks at ground or space is not important. That fact remains that they suck at it. I suck at space and I dont do space.

Being good at space and sucking at ground is the equivalent of a Chess Master sucking at Snakes and Ladders.

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Being good at space and sucking at ground is the equivalent of a Chess Master sucking at Snakes and Ladders.

Exactly why I don't understand his point, it seems as if there isn't one?

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Being good at space and sucking at ground is the equivalent of a Chess Master sucking at Snakes and Ladders.

If Ground is as simple as you say, a chess master such as yourself shouldn't have any problems bending the rest of us over in ground combat. So please, grace us with your presence in ground pvp.

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If Ground is as simple as you say, a chess master such as yourself shouldn't have any problems bending the rest of us over in ground combat. So please, grace us with your presence in ground pvp.

But its still so useless, ground is abhorrent, why would anyone play it by choice? I suppose thats why theres only 2 "special fleets" that do it.

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If Ground is as simple as you say, a chess master such as yourself shouldn't have any problems bending the rest of us over in ground combat. So please, grace us with your presence in ground pvp.

lol ground.

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If Ground is as simple as you say, a chess master such as yourself shouldn't have any problems bending the rest of us over in ground combat. So please, grace us with your presence in ground pvp.

No, he won't do that, he would rather sit and point and tell you how it should be done instead of getting in there and showing us how it's done. But you have to forgive him and his goon there, they *are* notorious trolls after all, and you never see one post without the other. They just need one more and they could have the Three Stooges. Hence the Troll doll in their avatar? I think they have more fun trolling than actually making sense, which is why I try and take nothing they say too seriously.

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But its still so useless, ground is abhorrent, why would anyone play it by choice? I suppose thats why theres only 2 "special fleets" that do it.

Thats your opinion. No matter how often you say it it wont change the fact that those of us that like it, think its great. If you play ground in other MMOs, you will see that there isnt much that is different. And the parts that are different, is actually better than most other MMOs (in my opinion).

By the way. I really don't give a ratz az if you play ground or not. But you and some other here feel the need to post in a every ground thread. As if your opinion really matters.

If you dont like ground, dont do it, and stay out of threads that talk about. No one invited you into these threads lol.

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I think the point is he doesn't go into every space PvP thread and say "lol space" with nothing else added. If you've tried ground, and didn't like it, fine; either don't play or tell us how you would make it better. If you don't like ground PvE, or you haven't even tried ground PvP, don't say "lol ground" as if no one cares about it. There are plenty of people who enjoy ground PvP, whether they're good or bad at it, and you don't see them dissin' on space PvP in every thread.

If you say "lol ground" now, you'd better be on Tribble testing the heck out of the ground revamp when it hits, so that you can help ground get better for everyone, including yourself.

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No, he won't do that, he would rather sit and point and tell you how it should be done instead of getting in there and showing us how it's done. But you have to forgive him and his goon there, they *are* notorious trolls after all, and you never see one post without the other. They just need one more and they could have the Three Stooges. Hence the Troll doll in their avatar? I think they have more fun trolling than actually making sense, which is why I try and take nothing they say too seriously.

lol did you see his response, another lol ground. How typical.

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I don't know about Beagles (well maybe i do, maybe were the same person?), but I do it in the vain hope that someone from the dev team actually realised that ground is so broken that it need a serious redesign and rebuild.

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lol did you see his response, another lol ground. How typical.

Yeah, I see it. It's cute, isn't it? Kids say the darnedest things.

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I do it because it's hilarious (and true!).

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If you say "lol ground" now, you'd better be on Tribble testing the heck out of the ground revamp when it hits, so that you can help ground get better for everyone, including yourself.

Yes, our entire fleet will be there if its any good, we just need something that doen't make you feel like your sleeping with a relative.

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L_L _ro_n_ :D

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I don't know about Beagles (well maybe i do, maybe were the same person?), but I do it in the vain hope that someone from the dev team actually realised that ground is so broken that it need a serious redesign and rebuild.

Now you make sense. Which takes me back to jumping down your throats not long ago and saying to you something to the affect of, "I wouldn't mind an lol, ground if you said exactly what it was about ground you didn't like and what your ideas are to make it better"

Saying, "lol, ground" is *NOT* going to help change things for the better. I am sure Devs simply read that statement (if they read it at all) and roll their eyes. Now if you actually had something constructive to say, it might actually get read.

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I don't know about Beagles (well maybe i do, maybe were the same person?), but I do it in the vain hope that someone from the dev team actually realised that ground is so broken that it need a serious redesign and rebuild.

So you hijack our threads to get the devs to change a part of a the game that we like and you dont actually play?

LOL Speechless tbh

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Yes, our entire fleet will be there if its any good, we just need something that doen't make you feel like your sleeping with a relative.

What dont you like about it?

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Now you make sense. Which takes me back to jumping down your throats not long ago and saying to you something to the affect of, "I wouldn't mind an lol, ground if you said exactly what it was about ground you didn't like and what your ideas are to make it better"

Saying, "lol, ground" is *NOT* going to help change things for the better. I am sure Devs simply read that statement (if they read it at all) and roll their eyes. Now if you actually had something constructive to say, it might actually get read.

I think they just need to know exactly how many people hate it and how much its hated by those people.

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So you hijack our threads to get the devs to change a part of a the game that we like and you dont actually play?

LOL Speechless tbh

Yes. Because what you like blows.

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What dont you like about it?

3rd person view and tabbed targeting.

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I think they just need to know exactly how many people hate it and how much its hated by those people.

They need to know WHY it is hated, more importantly. And they need to know why Ground PVP specifically is hated - they know about the dual pistol NPCs, what's wrong with PvP?

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So you hijack our threads to get the devs to change a part of a the game that we like and you dont actually play?

LOL Speechless tbh

Well, shouldn't the majority win here?

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3rd person view and tabbed targeting.

Then the targeting change should be something you like, I'm guessing.

I'm also guessing that the 3rd person view won't go away. I mean, there's not that many FPS MMOs, are there? I could be wrong. But if you want a FPS, then this may not be the game for you...

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With comments such as this...


Yes. Because what you like blows.


and this....

More like we dont care to learn it because it's boring and for *******?



I am sure you make your fleet proud. And to think you represent your fleet on these boards, shame...

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lol ground.

The real reason beagles says "lol ground" all the time is, that he can't QQ about fed/kling or ship balance there and after all hes just there to entertain us all, i find him quite funny tbh.

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Then the targeting change should be something you like, I'm guessing.

I'm also guessing that the 3rd person view won't go away. I mean, there's not that many FPS MMOs, are there? I could be wrong. But if you want a FPS, then this may not be the game for you...

I can see first person view being an option, that would be ok by me. I might even use it from time to time. But I do like to see my character in PvP. I also would not be against actual real hand targeting. Tab targeting may be built in to the game in a way that would make real targeting impossible though. Especially for people who like to hide behind their turrets.

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Then the targeting change should be something you like, I'm guessing.

I'm also guessing that the 3rd person view won't go away. I mean, there's not that many FPS MMOs, are there? I could be wrong. But if you want a FPS, then this may not be the game for you...

I wouldn't like ground if it was FPS.

All FPS games I've played on computer have had awkward controls.

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Well, shouldn't the majority win here?

Only if that actually play. But you dont. You needs in ground are a non issue.

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The real reason beagles says "lol ground" all the time is, that he can't QQ about fed/kling or ship balance there and after all hes just there to entertain us all, i find him quite funny tbh.

I cant hear you over the sound of stomping on you, it's still ringing in my ears from yesterday. Sorry.

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Only if that actually play. But you dont. You needs in ground are a non issue.

I, like the rest of the normal people who play STO, would like to play ground, but due to it being horrible, then we wont till its fixed or at least made a lot better than it is now.

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I can see first person view being an option, that would be ok by me. I might even use it from time to time. But I do like to see my character in PvP. I also would not be against actual real hand targeting. Tab targeting may be built in to the game in a way that would make real targeting impossible though. Especially for people who like to hide behind their turrets.

Doesnt need to be FPS, just look at mass effect 2, thats 3rd person, but it actually works.

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I wouldn't like ground if it was FPS.

All FPS games I've played on computer have had awkward controls.

But you're in a huge minority here, I'll bet that less than 1% of the subs play ground pvp, whats more, I'd bet that you probably know them all.

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Being good at space and sucking at ground is the equivalent of a Chess Master sucking at Snakes and Ladders.

Or it might be a Chess Master being bad at Poker or Go. Either way, if the CHess Master is not interested in mastering Poker or Go, he'll suck at it.

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Or it might be a Chess Master being bad at Poker or Go. Either way, if the CHess Master is not interested in mastering Poker or Go, he'll suck at it.

No you're wrong, he simply won't ever play it.

The point is, I'm paying full price for half of a game. Ground should be fun and its simply not.

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No you're wrong, he simply won't ever play it.

The point is, I'm paying full price for half of a game. Ground should be fun and its simply not.

No you are paying full price for a game that you happen not like a part of. I played SWG for 6 years and never did space there, just ground. Never thought I was getting half a game. Never didnt crafting either. No did I ever do a the Jedi grind. Games offer many thing so that everyone has something to do.

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I cant hear you over the sound of stomping on you, it's still ringing in my ears from yesterday. Sorry.

See, like i said your funny :D

And I still can't stop laughing about beating you up in the game on the day before... seasoned spacer beat by grounders in space and im even halfway ground specced too.. thats so funny.. i so thank you making that happen and thus proving my point about balanced builds being good enough to give pure spacers at least some challenge.

Besides I told you already yesterday we're ok with our result in the other 2 games, afterall we are the newcomers in space our results were better then expected for a ground fleet.

I personally so much don't care about space, as much as you don't care for ground, the only reason i play it at all is that its a nice way to prove that balanced builds work quite well too.

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See, like i said your funny :D

And I still can't stop laughing about beating you up in the game on the day before... seasoned spacer beat by grounders in space and im even halfway ground specced too.. thats so funny.. i so thank you making that happen and thus proving my point about balanced builds being good enough to give pure spacers at least some challenge.

Besides I told you already yesterday we're ok with our result in the other 2 games, afterall we are the newcomers in space our results were better then expected for a ground fleet.

I personally so much don't care about space, as much as you don't care for ground, the only reason i play it at all is that its a nice way to prove that balanced builds work quite well too.

Just try it as klingons then.......

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I personally so much don't care about space, as much as you don't care for ground, the only reason i play it at all is that its a nice way to prove that balanced builds work quite well too.

If you don't care about space, why then have you joined the KT league? Just to get teams to not turn up to your ground requests?

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i didnt mind ground before they upped the kill limits to ensure a painstakingly unpleasant thousand hour game. i also dislike the shear size of ground maps, i find myself spending alot of time trying to find my team or the enemy through what appear to be mazes and pointless giant corridors.

I also dont like how some "cover" doesnt protect you and some does. There also doesnt appear to be any relevant difference between characters with varying physical attributes.

Ie: my minimum height character still gets shot when he is crouched behind a crate and i dotn have los to the enemy. And the few characters who are very larger, they dont appear to gain any relevant bonuses either.

I never liked any kind of AI in any combat game. Whether it be the photonic fleet/carrier spam in space, or the turrets/security team/ whatver on ground, the extra ai guys just annoy me and **** me off.

I also dont like in ground that u can be resucitated. WTF? you just got vaporized.. and now your lying on the floor spamming "help" button. Let alone i dilike the concept of respawning in any venue (space or ground) and to get to 30 kills on a 3v3 or 4v4 on gorund takes an unforgivingly long amount of time.

give us some planet attack missions, where u have to defeat the space defense, then land and assault the planet. give us some, quasi meaningful purpose, and perhaps more would endure ground combat in the aims of attaining a reward. otherwise, ill continue to avoid it religiously. sory ground lovers out there, but to each his own

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But you're in a huge minority here, I'll bet that less than 1% of the subs play ground pvp, whats more, I'd bet that you probably know them all.
If I played ground more I probably would, I haven't really played consecutively since last... I want to say March, back when Surgery was in-game.

Ques have been pretty much dead for the last 10 months and I'm lucky to get in a match even on Klingon side.

I think the main thing they need to improve on ground is better default controls and a better targeting system, the default controls for ground are horrid, unlike space.

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See, like i said your funny :D

And I still can't stop laughing about beating you up in the game on the day before... seasoned spacer beat by grounders in space and im even halfway ground specced too.. thats so funny.. i so thank you making that happen and thus proving my point about balanced builds being good enough to give pure spacers at least some challenge.

Besides I told you already yesterday we're ok with our result in the other 2 games, afterall we are the newcomers in space our results were better then expected for a ground fleet.

I personally so much don't care about space, as much as you don't care for ground, the only reason i play it at all is that its a nice way to prove that balanced builds work quite well too.

Yep this explains pretty much that the fed are OP. And the klings is getting nerf even more now with the tribble patch comming to holodeck. :(

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I think the main thing they need to improve on ground is better default controls and a better targeting system, the default controls for ground are horrid, unlike space.

Yes, and targeting, I should be able to manually target, I wanna be able to headshot for a quicker kill, instead of just pressing 1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2

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i didnt mind ground before they upped the kill limits to ensure a painstakingly unpleasant thousand hour game. i also dislike the shear size of ground maps, i find myself spending alot of time trying to find my team or the enemy through what appear to be mazes and pointless giant corridors.

Space combat can be just as long when you have 2 evenly matched teams. As for the maps, one could argue that they are one of the things that makes ground cooler than Space - you actually have to use the terrain to your advantage. Of the 4 maps, 2 are small enough to see everyone on the map 90% of the time, and the other 2 are symmetrical enough that you can learn them quite well.

I also dont like how some "cover" doesnt protect you and some does. There also doesnt appear to be any relevant difference between characters with varying physical attributes.

Ie: my minimum height character still gets shot when he is crouched behind a crate and i dotn have los to the enemy. And the few characters who are very larger, they dont appear to gain any relevant bonuses either.

The lack of cover is something many people find poorly done.

I also dont like in ground that u can be resucitated. WTF? you just got vaporized.. and now your lying on the floor spamming "help" button. Let alone i dilike the concept of respawning in any venue (space or ground) and to get to 30 kills on a 3v3 or 4v4 on gorund takes an unforgivingly long amount of time.

Some people also complained about NPCs rezzing vaporized allies. I do have to say, though, that it is very rare, in my experience, that people get rezzed in PvP. It's an interruptable, and if someone just died, that means your team is under fire, so you won't get them by the time therir (short) 3 seconds are up and they respawn.

give us some planet attack missions, where u have to defeat the space defense, then land and assault the planet. give us some, quasi meaningful purpose, and perhaps more would endure ground combat in the aims of attaining a reward. otherwise, ill continue to avoid it religiously. sory ground lovers out there, but to each his own

There's a post somewhere in here about a mission just like that. I would love to see a 2 part space/ground PvP map. However, the war zone at Otha does have a bit of a storyline/objective type thing, so maybe you should try there?

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I pretty much guarantee you that all the serious Ground PVPers do not use the default controls, that should say something.

As it stands, Tacs can already one shot people if they land a crit, so I don't think we need to make damage any higher, but we probably do need to tone down ground tanking for Eng/Sci and increase tanking for Tac while toning down their damage. My Engineer takes 1/3 damage to shields from a sniper shot, kinda dumb. It's like playing Halo with X4 overshield if you're an engineer. My Engineer's typical death is through bleedthrough because I don't believe in buying hypos until my Escort in space can buy a hull regenerator.
Ground is probably balanced better than space as far as healing/damage amounts go though, but, like space, healing probably needs toned down a bit.

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If you don't care about space, why then have you joined the KT league? Just to get teams to not turn up to your ground requests?

Maybe you didn't read the rules right then.. the KT league isn't a pure space league, it features space and ground - and different to you im not QQ'ing about that fact or try to change the league to only suit the part i like or pwn the most of the game.

While i personally not care all that much about the rather boring slow paced space parts, with its rather spammy nature (heal spam, carrier spam, cc/stun spam) I will of course try to support my team in space as well; as long as they want me to do that it is. However I would have had no issue to play in our ground games only either as thats in my opinion way more fun.

I learned to embrace the space bits a bit at least by now - as it gives me a nice opportunity - to prove to myself that balanced builds can work well to some extend.. and in the end pvp is pvp and theres always some fun in it.

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From post above--"Yes, and targeting, I should be able to manually target, I wanna be able to headshot for a quicker kill, instead of just pressing 1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2"

Doesn't space pvp involve just pushing the space bar? :) Space PvP threads are that way ----->

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Doesn't space pvp involve just pushing the space bar? :)

Hey now, we have to press the distribute shields button too.

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Hey now, we have to press the distribute shields button too.

Grtz, surprised you even figured that much out...

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Grtz, surprised you even figured that much out...

Hey, what'd I do? I like ground PVP.

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Hey, what'd I do? I like ground PVP.

Can't be nice all the time. :cool:

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65K? That's pretty awesome...how long were you in that map for though?!

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I also dont like how some "cover" doesnt protect you and some does. There also doesnt appear to be any relevant difference between characters with varying physical attributes.

Not sure i understand you right there, but i don't think making gnome like toons should give you advantages for cover at all.

About cover in general.. covering works awesome on ground, most objects actually do give you cover.. every door, most containers do.. theres very few exceptions, i.e. in assimilated cruiser theres a container thats not just shot-through but also walk-through.. minor bugs imo; if playing it a while you'll easily know what stuff gives good cover and what doesn't.

Ie: my minimum height character still gets shot when he is crouched behind a crate and i dotn have los to the enemy. And the few characters who are very larger, they dont appear to gain any relevant bonuses either.

Im glad its that way... if small toons would have cover advantages.. ground would be all full of ugly gnomes... that would be so ugly.. no i hope they never do that.

Whenever i can shot someone, they can shot me mostly too, thats imo exactly how it should be.

Let alone i dilike the concept of respawning in any venue (space or ground) and to get to 30 kills on a 3v3 or 4v4 on gorund takes an unforgivingly long amount of time.

All few days i get into a space game that takes hours and make my hand hurt after a while... now on ground i've actually never seen that.. unless one side intentionally stays dead or quits and makes some 5on5 a 5on1.


Yes, and targeting, I should be able to manually target, I wanna be able to headshot for a quicker kill, instead of just pressing 1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2

Aiming doen't really work to well together with healing, mitigation buffing or pets, all of that are rather typical mmorpg concepts.

If you think ground is all about just pressing 1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2, go and try that :D

I pretty much guarantee you that all the serious Ground PVPers do not use the default controls, that should say something.

Customizing the configs is what a lot of people do in just about any game, i think you need that for space actually even more then for ground here, as those 3 hotbars are barely enough to fit all abilities onto atm, using easy to reach keys to activate something is pretty common everywhere too.

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Customizing the configs is what a lot of people do in just about any game, i think you need that for space actually even more then for ground here, as those 3 hotbars are barely enough to fit all abilities onto atm, using easy to reach keys to activate something is pretty common everywhere too.
True, but for ground you pretty much need to customize the controls if you're going to play well, in space, all the powers do fit in the hotbar, even as science with target X stuff. You pretty much just need to change the camera type to what you prefer and you're good for space.

First thing I do for new characters is go in and flip all their ground options left and right.

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First thing I do for new characters is go in and flip all their ground options left and right.

Do you mean using Q & A for right, and E & D for left? Or do you mean switching it so that the turn and strafe keys are switched? I always do the latter... that first option is, IMO, bizarre.

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Do you mean using Q & A for right, and E & D for left? Or do you mean switching it so that the turn and strafe keys are switched? I always do the latter... that first option is, IMO, bizarre.

I meant it as more of a "changing lots of controls" sort of thing.
One thing in particular I couldn't stand was it based your movement direction off of the way you were facing when you first got your target, not your current facing towards the target, it always confused me so much.
Sometimes I'd hit back and it'd go left. Sometimes I'd hit right and it'd go left. Etc.

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I learned to embrace the space bits a bit at least by now - as it gives me a nice opportunity - to prove to myself that balanced builds can work well to some extend.. and in the end pvp is pvp and theres always some fun in it.

Your "balanced builds" involved using a bunch of skills that dont need speccing into in an overpowered ship (and you brought three of them), so that means very little. The second a team showed up with enough science teams to deal with it, you lost.

The build is easy to play (any monkey can do it, all you do is push three buttons) yet deadly to play against. This is why you got away with wins against a team thats not prepared to face that much noob sci spam. Its not much to be happy about, it's the FotM build atm. In fact, you should be embarrassed you lost, especially to klings.

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Maybe you didn't read the rules right then.. the KT league isn't a pure space league, it features space and ground - and different to you im not QQ'ing about that fact or try to change the league to only suit the part i like or pwn the most of the game.

When theres 20 teams and only 2 choose ground.....

Teams just dont turn up for ground, infact teams have left the league due to being forced into ground.

I guess what I'm saying is, do you actually have fun not playing ground at all in the KT league or if you do you win 15-0? I don't understand how thats fun when its very little challenge or none at all.

Its different in space, we win a lot 15-0 but people do try, just like we did against TSI, we tried and tried and changed and adapted and finally we beat them. That simply wont happen for you on the ground in the KT league, cos no one wants to do ground. No one cares enough, most people won't even turn up. How is that fun?

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Teams just dont turn up for ground,

That Aurora team still owes me a shanty town (although their problem for dropping from the league stemmed from real life issues).

Fleetmates had me all excited telling me they had chosen ground. Been a long time since my Fed got a good ground match.

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Your "balanced builds" involved using a bunch of skills that dont need speccing into in an overpowered ship (and you brought three of them), so that means very little. The second a team showed up with enough science teams to deal with it, you lost.

How so.. the skills i spec in for my excelsior support firing/healing build is pretty much all the same i'd use for a star cruiser/healing; difference is some more in weapon instead some in mines.

The build is easy to play (any monkey can do it, all you do is push three buttons) yet deadly to play against. This is why you got away with wins against a team thats not prepared to face that much noob sci spam. Its not much to be happy about, it's the FotM build atm. In fact, you should be embarrassed you lost, especially to klings.

See thats what i meant some postings above.. you just like to QQ about class/ship/faction balance or FotM's.. but why does any of your QQ about underpowered klings matter to me at all ?

As PvP'er you play with whatever weapon works best for you, its the developers job to create balance, as player you just adapt and give feedback to devs, but crying at your opponents for using skill X or ship Y is just lame imo.

Theres however two things we two totally agree on:

a) I prefer a totally even playing field for both factions too - thats exactly one of the reasons i prefer ground over space - on ground theres no room for klingon vs feds QQ at all, its all even there. Same kits, same devices, same weapons, same armor, same shields..

b) I agree with you, that most of space is so easy that a monkey can play it, thats why it bores me totally - which is just another reason i prefer ground.

Embarrassed about losing in space as newcomer to you, seriously? Are you a noob in space or a pro?
If your now saying your a noob i would maybe feel slightly embarassed now.. but from what i heard qew is one of the better forces in space, don't you guys? Do you need to cry about FotM ships at your opponents, is that really your style ?

When theres 20 teams and only 2 choose ground.....

Teams just dont turn up for ground, infact teams have left the league due to being forced into ground.


Maybe they were in the wrong league in the first place then.. i haven't heard about anyone that would stop you to create your own space only league, BoP only league or carrier only leage (since you had more guys in carriers then bops.. maybe thats your thing).. or how about some dabo league?

If you join a league you gotta agree with its rules, currently KT league is an ALL PVP league, im an ALL PVP player to some extend, if you'r not its your loss not mine and im absolutely not bothered by it at all.

I guess what I'm saying is, do you actually have fun not playing ground at all in the KT league or if you do you win 15-0? I don't understand how thats fun when its very little challenge or none at all.

yes, ground games are fun, a lot more then space. If you look up what your friend beagles said above, it seems even you guys seem to think space is not so awesomely well balanced between factions.. on ground its all equal footing - if ground is not your gameplay, well thats not my problem, its PVP too; the league includes, and nobody stops you from practicing for it.

About challenge.. well we are practicing to be of challenge for you guys in space.. if i look at the results of our previous 3 games im quite happy so far, if beagles calls that noob FotM or not doesn't bother me much at all, im not going to have a war with you guys about space balance.. lol space. If you will be a challenging opponent on ground or not depends on you, maybe you could if you try.

Oh and hey nyrus, well done on the score! Somehow that thread moved quite a bit off topic it seems..

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on ground its all equal footing - ...

er, yeah right dude.

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So what, indeed, is your point again?

i believe the point is why troll and derail a post about ground if you have no interest in it but to be a dbag

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3rd person view and tabbed targeting.

which is exactly what you get in space

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which is exactly what you get in space
And yet, it works fine in space but not on ground. Analyzing why this is the case is something I hope the Devs figure out.

Well, the tabbed targeting could use some work when there is pet & mine spam.

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How so.. the skills i spec in for my excelsior support firing/healing build is pretty much all the same i'd use for a star cruiser/healing; difference is some more in weapon instead some in mines.

He was refering to your THREE intrepids.

See thats what i meant some postings above.. you just like to QQ about class/ship/faction balance or FotM's.. but why does any of your QQ about underpowered klings matter to me at all ?

You're the only one who is QQ'in here.

As PvP'er you play with whatever weapon works best for you, its the developers job to create balance, as player you just adapt and give feedback to devs, but crying at your opponents for using skill X or ship Y is just lame imo.

Again, you seem to be the only one QQ'in here.

Theres however two things we two totally agree on:

a) I prefer a totally even playing field for both factions too - thats exactly one of the reasons i prefer ground over space - on ground theres no room for klingon vs feds QQ at all, its all even there. Same kits, same devices, same weapons, same armor, same shields..

b) I agree with you, that most of space is so easy that a monkey can play it, thats why it bores me totally - which is just another reason i prefer ground.

What? The difference between the factions is what makes this game, there needs to be differences or else what's the point in having different factions?

Ground PVE is also ridiculously easy, so your point is moot.

Embarrassed about losing in space as newcomer to you, seriously? Are you a noob in space or a pro?
If your now saying your a noob i would maybe feel slightly embarassed now.. but from what i heard qew is one of the better forces in space, don't you guys? Do you need to cry about FotM ships at your opponents, is that really your style ?

Cutter is far from a noob at space, so again moot point.

Maybe they were in the wrong league in the first place then.. i haven't heard about anyone that would stop you to create your own space only league, BoP only league or carrier only leage (since you had more guys in carriers then bops.. maybe thats your thing).. or how about some dabo league?

How were they in the wrong league? Due to an administration error, they would of had to play 50% of this seasons games on the ground, I can certainly understand why they left.

We brought two escorts/bops, you only brought one, you also brought 3 intrepids, the best ship in the game, so maybe you should be in the intrepid league? We only had 2 carriers 2 bops and the katfish.

If you join a league you gotta agree with its rules, currently KT league is an ALL PVP league, im an ALL PVP player to some extend, if you'r not its your loss not mine and im absolutely not bothered by it at all.

You keep missing the point, you've joined the league, knowing that there's only one more ground pvp fleet in the league (you're not even in the same tables) and you're going to choose ground for your home game.

This means that people either won't turn up, or will simply leave the league. Can you answer me, how you get any enjoyment out of either of them 2 circumstances? I suspect you wont answer though :(

I don't care whose fault it is, and whether you feel you can hold the moral high ground, there's 3 teams left in our table now, that means you'll get 4 games, one of which has already been played (no show for LORE and I don't blame them for not showing), 2 left as you have just played us, you have LORE away and QEW at home. You'll pick ground for us, and LORE will pick space, so all you will have had is 2 games this season, both space. How is that fun for a ground fleet?

You're right about it being our loss as well though, as due to the admin error and your obsession with ground, we have lost one of the best fleets out there from the KT league - SOB.

yes, ground games are fun, a lot more then space. If you look up what your friend beagles said above, it seems even you guys seem to think space is not so awesomely well balanced between factions.. on ground its all equal footing - if ground is not your gameplay, well thats not my problem, its PVP too; the league includes, and nobody stops you from practicing for it.

But you won't be playing any ground games this season, so what's the point again?

About challenge.. well we are practicing to be of challenge for you guys in space.. if i look at the results of our previous 3 games im quite happy so far, if beagles calls that noob FotM or not doesn't bother me much at all, im not going to have a war with you guys about space balance.. lol space. If you will be a challenging opponent on ground or not depends on you, maybe you could if you try.

3 games? You mean games where we had pugs? Good show....
/slow claps

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You keep missing the point, you've joined the league, knowing that there's only one more ground pvp fleet in the league (you're not even in the same tables) and you're going to choose ground for your home game.

This means that people either won't turn up, or will simply leave the league. Can you answer me, how you get any enjoyment out of either of them 2 circumstances? I suspect you wont answer though :(


I think the inclusion of ground combat in the KT tournament helps to identify the genuinely good fleets. It is not so much about being the best on space and ground as it is about being willing to stand up to a challenge and fight to the best of one's abilities.

Even if other fleets continue to refuse fights on the ground against FS, I hope that FS stay in the tournament and work their way up through the leagues. SW will get that one kill, eventually, some time, in a future far far away...

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Once I have a kill on guapo on ground my life is compleate!

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Once I have a kill on guapo on ground my life is compleate!

Guapo is a pretty decent space PvPer as well :)

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lol ground

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3 games? You mean games where we had pugs? Good show....
/slow claps

Just checking we're all on the same page... Here's the scoreboard from a match we had on 22 Jan:

http://i52.tinypic.com/50faro.jpg


And the zone search list:

http://i53.tinypic.com/nv4600.jpg


Who you referring to as a pug exactly? :rolleyes:

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Just checking we're all on the same page... Here's the scoreboard from a match we had on 22 Jan:

http://i52.tinypic.com/50faro.jpg


And the zone search list:

http://i53.tinypic.com/nv4600.jpg


Who you referring to as a pug exactly? :rolleyes:

Claud, that was his 2nd game with us, hes only just made LG.

The other two matches were pugs though werent they?

You got spanked when it mattered ;)

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http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg257/NyrusPars/screenshot_2011-01-23-15-57-03.jpg


I am not sure if anyone else has done better or not, but it was my personal best.

Wow!!! :eek:

Whom is your arms dealer? I want one of those BFG's.

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lol ground:

http://img27.imageshack.us/f/lolground.jpg/ (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/780/lolground.jpg)

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lol ground:

http://img27.imageshack.us/f/lolground.jpg/ (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/780/lolground.jpg)


So yes, you should be embarrassed.


Hmmm... lets see, a Ground pvp fleet vs what is supposedly one of the better Space fleets in STO.

Easily should have been a wipeout... but no it was 15-6 / 15-8.


Embarassed? Hardly.


"lol ground" all you like. See you in 3 weeks. :cool:

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That Aurora team still owes me a shanty town (although their problem for dropping from the league stemmed from real life issues).

Fleetmates had me all excited telling me they had chosen ground. Been a long time since my Fed got a good ground match.

:( I'm not part of the PvP squad (not on quite enough to commit, RL) but I'm going to be trying to get some more fleetmates into ground, not just in the league. We'll see how it goes.

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For beagles to QQ about sci spam (multiple times, no less) is the most hilarious thing in this thread.

Where?

The second most hilarious thing is how he QQs about OP intrepids... a guy in a 3 carrier/2 bop premade. Talk about easy mode. :rolleyes:

I'll tell you what, you run that setup as klinks next time instead of picking ground and we'll switch to feds......I guarantee you won't get a single kill.

Anyway, I'm pretty proud of what we accomplished. We had nothing to lose and, according to your own fleet, did better than other top space fleets against your set up. Hands down, your team was the toughest we've ever run into (in our short space faring career).
Stay classy, QEW.

I don't think anyone was purposefully saying you did bad, it's just all the **** talking you guys did in the previous matches, but we didn't bite, just sat patiently and waited till the KT match. Then on Sunday KT match we handed you your arses, so forgive us if we seem to be gloating, but you started all this crap by talking **** in the first place and I think you all deserve it.

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Sorry, but it was your **** talking that brought this on you. We played SOB last week who are excellent players, but you dont see us talking about that game, because no one started talking ****. We are actually looking forward to more matches against them in the future.

You morons think you get a free pass by claiming youre a ground only fleet. Well, you dont. Youre still **** talkers that can now eat their own words after getting spanked, despite a ridiculous setup.

As for our setup, if carriers were so OP we wouldnt be switching them out. If we were allowed to switch toons, you wouldnt have seen any carriers at all (4/5 players wouldve be different actually). Either way the Karfi is a tactical cruiser more than anything.

You don't get it, do you? It was a joke - "lol space" - directed at you because of your forum trolling. If you are looking for the one who "started it," check the mirror.

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You don't get it, do you? It was a joke - "lol space" - directed at you because of your forum trolling. If you are looking for the one who "started it," check the mirror.

You said "next time bring your A team", and even had one of your players apologize after our game on Sunday for saying it. Clearly not a joke. Try again.

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the intrepid-r is a solid sci ship, no doubt abut it, but best ship in game?

I would not be inclined to go that far.

It has a high number of sci slots to be filled, unless you want to be a 100% heal boat eventually you are going to have to get a forward arc on someone to shoot them with some sci skills, the intrepid has a decent turn rate, it is no match for an escort/bop and trying to get one of those in your arc that doesn't want to be there is a mission in itself. As far as sci ship BO stations go i would prefer the last ensign to be an engi not another sci, but that belongs to another sci ship already.

Ablative, nice defence for 30s, to long imo but tbh with most teams even pugs running a decent number of shockwaves (unless fed v fed and shock horror no sci ship) if the ablative is active for the full 30s then you have no one but that team to blame.

i would be more than happy to give up ablative entirely for a swap from a ltcmr sci to a ltcmdr tac given the amount of use i get from ablative tbh. Carriers could keep the pets and the reduced turning, which wuld be the cost paid for those pets, if that happened, if the intrepid lost ablative, gained a ltcmr tac swapped a ensign station to engi (tho i would settle for the sci ensign if i had to) then yes i would consider it the best ship in game as the moderate loss of turning vs a bop would be offset by higher shielding and an extra couple of k in hull strengh.

I know some in the kdf are desperate to make some counter claims that deflect the enormous fed QQ over some of their sides assets but that the intrepid is hands down the best ship in game is a bit far fetched, it is the best fed sci ship however.