The Path to 2409: 2388

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Fallout from the destruction of the Romulan system dominates interstellar events in 2388.


The Romulan colony worlds reel from the loss of their homeworld and a vacuum in leadership. With the death of Praetor Chulan and the disappearance of Donatra, there is no one who has the authority to call the worlds to order or organize a new government. The leadership council of Rator III declares itself to be the new Romulan Senate and Rator III as the new capital of the Romulan Star Empire, but it is quickly challenged by the leaders of Achenar Prime and Abraxas V, who make similar claims.


One person many look toward to pull the Romulan people back together is Admiral Taris. She concentrates on evaluating what military forces remain, and issues a call for all remaining ships, even deep exploration vessels, to return to Romulan space.


Link to the news article. (http://www.startrekonline.com/node/257)

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21 years and counting. Whoohoo!

-avery

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Excellent update! Loved it!

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So, the cunning Vulcans knew about the threat to Romulus/Remus and did nothing, eh? Perhaps this was their' way of getting revenge for the ages-old split of their' race? Hmmm......

Either way, it makes the Klingon Empire stronger! :D

I wonder if the Vulcans will be ex-federation members by the time we reach 2409.....? :confused:

Great story line Cryptic!

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Ooh a public and political outcry against the Vulcans... very interesting!

So the Orions may end up part of the klingon Empire... also very interesting!

This is getting better and better :D

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Vulcans, you got some explaining to do!

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Thanks Cryptic. You guys are awesome.

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I really enjoyed how the Vulcans were handled in this storyline update, and I am curious to see how the rest of their story plays out. All in all, this was another great installment of the series and I can definitely tell that the situation is becoming progressively more intense as the story gets closer to the date that the game is set in.

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I wonder what the logic was for letting Romulus to be destroyed. Hope the Federation doesn't fall apart.

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Ooh a public and political outcry against the Vulcans... very interesting!

So the Orions may end up part of the klingon Empire... also very interesting!

This is getting better and better :D

Well we kind of know which side the Orions end up on. :D

Great update, always love hearing the Breen mentioned.

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Great one. Thanks.

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Loved it. Absolutely loved it. Thanks, Kestrel!

I'd like to take the Federation president's words about "the politics of blame" and send them to several politicians (in every party) in our real world. Of course, being politicians, they would never understand.

Thanks again for this,

KOS

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Awesome story.

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Cool stuff thanks.

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Did everyone here miss count down?
Red matter can make a black hole and the Vulcans for some crazy reason didn’t want to give that ability to the Romulans.

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So, the cunning Vulcans knew about the threat to Romulus/Remus and did nothing, eh? Perhaps this was their' way of getting revenge for the ages-old split of their' race? Hmmm......

Either way, it makes the Klingon Empire stronger! :D

I wonder if the Vulcans will be ex-federation members by the time we reach 2409.....? :confused:

Great story line Cryptic!

Heh. If you see the "Star Trek Countdown" prequel comic (LINK (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Countdown-J-Abrams/dp/1600104207/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241997328&sr=8-1)), you'll see that the Vulcan decision was more a result of typical Vulcan over-caution, rather than malice.

As James T. often demonstrated to Spock in classic Trek, sometimes an excess of caution can prove as dangerous as an excess of bravery.

Looks like the Vulcans in STO are now living with the consequences of that particular "illogical truth". :)

Cheers,

KOS

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I'm definitley seeing the beginnings of a Romulan civil war brewing, possibly the following year or this year. Also I don't think the Vulcans are going to be removed from the federation, Cryptic wouldn't do that...or would they? Either way the story so far is fantastic, can't wait to see what happens in the next 20 years. Either thier will be a reemergence of the Borg during this time and every one panics, or it leads to a war were the three romulan "Empires", I say that in quotes because they all claim the same thing, choose either the Federation or the Klingons to fight along side with and that cripples both sides, leading to the game.

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Could this be the beginnings of Vulcan leaving the Federation which will lead to the opening of the new animated star trek set shortly after the years of STO!??
Plus i cant wait to hear what scientific exsplantion they give to Red Matter, this aught to be good!.. but despite my sarcasm i had insperation the other night of what it could be so ya never know! :P

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I thought Worf was the Klingon ambassador to the Federation, not the other way around. I'm confused.

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Nice story, makes me feel like all of alpha quadrant is about to fly apart in all directions.;)

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Nice story, makes me feel like all of alpha quadrant is about to fly apart in all directions.;)

The perfect setup for the Star Trek universe in an MMo

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Whats with this red matter talk, is this something they just took from the movie as I don't quite remember it being mentioned in anything canon before hand. Guess it fits with both things having a ship called the "Jellyfish" too.

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"House of Markok"? Sounds more like something that's not appropriate, than it being an spelling error. :p

Well I'm happy things are starting to get really heated up, even in the Federation. But I'm really happy of the major development on the Klingon Front, bet Martok's going to get challenged. And interesting the Breen might get involved.


Though the thing that really angers me about this installment of the Path to 2409 is Worf's second son's name. It really doesn't sound very Klingon to me. Would've been more like Worf to name it after someone close to him, like his brother Kurn or named him after his father Mogh.[/COLOR] :mad:

And I still mad that you guys written that Worf ended up with Grilka, when she's with Quark. It's as if STO is an overgrown fanfiction and not something that would actually be written. :mad:

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Heh. If you see the "Star Trek Countdown" prequel comic (LINK (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Countdown-J-Abrams/dp/1600104207/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241997328&sr=8-1)), you'll see that the Vulcan decision was more a result of typical Vulcan over-caution, rather than malice.


KOS

I’ll go one farther: We can say it’s over caution but what if Vulcan did hand the ability to create black holes over to the Romulans so they could keep their empire intact?
An ability they didn’t even make known to the Federation; for good reason as far as I'm concerned. What if someone in the Fed like Pressman could make singularities at will?

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The Vulcans can't allow RED MATTER to fall into Romulan hands.:eek: (The needs of the many) The Romeys arent gona let anyone in there space to play around with with that stuff.:rolleyes: So what is a Vulcan to do?

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Whats with this red matter talk, is this something they just took from the movie as I don't quite remember it being mentioned in anything canon before hand. Guess it fits with both things having a ship called the "Jellyfish" too.

Apparantly Red Matter is introduced in the comic tie in to the movie.

Yay one can celebrate Australia's Sesquicentennial.

If the Vulcans knew of this and Nero knew they knew it explains much.

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I really hope the Vulcans don't end up getting kicked out the federation, this Adrams person seems to have some sort of irrational hate for people with pointy ears.

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There is no way Vulcan could get kicked out of the Federation. Without the Vulcans, there would be no Federation. It would be like kicking the United Kingdom out of NATO. Besides there is still 21 years in the Timeline to go. The conflict will be between the Federation and Klingon Empire. The Federation can't fall apart.

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With all but one of the other major powers weaken. I don't blame the Klingons wanting to attack and conquer. The could swoop in a own all of the beta quadrant.

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another good year wonder what is going to happen with the vulcans and wonder how much longer till the klingons are no longer our allies

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The Countdown Prequel comics show the Vulcan High Council very reluctant in providing anyone (including Romulans) access to Red Matter/blackhole making technology, this is what sets Nero off when he sees Romulus (family) destroyed he goes nuts and wants full revenge because of how the Vulcans could have helped and didn't. IMO I think the Vulcans could have used their own ships or Spock deploy the Red Matter sooner than he did, the fact that he does shortly after its to late, it like WTH, you could have saved not just Romulans but any other star system in the way of the Supernova.

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You can get the trade that contains all 4 Countdown comics for like $18 (US) or less. I'd recommend it, it ties into the part of "The Path" here and explains the setup to the new movie as well.

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Great more bad news,I'm not a Happy Romulan,:mad:

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I wonder what the logic was for letting Romulus to be destroyed. Hope the Federation doesn't fall apart.

Explained in the Countdown comic. The Vulcan Science Council was not convinced that Spock's estimations were accurate, and they were also hesitant about turning over technology to the Romulans that could be turned into a weapon(like what Nero did with it). Valid concerns, TBH.

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I wish more people would follow current events (Like the Movie and other material) before posting dumb responses.

The new Path update was great as usual and seems to be coming together. They also appear to be coming more frequently. Could this be a sign of the Beta opening soon? I Hope.

Good Job Cryptic staff and writers.

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Love the tie-ins to the new movie AND all of the previous content!

Now, when can we get a rough release time frame?

2009?
2010?
2409?

Thanks, Cryptic!

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Another great "Path to" Update. I'm interested to see what happens next. Romulan Civil War, possible conflict with the Federation from the Klingon Empire, possible ostracization of the Vulcan people ( not as in kicked out of the Federation but definatly not on friendly terms with other Federation members)?

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*spoilers*




The Vulcans also didn't seem to exactly fully believe Spock's tale of a Supernova threatening the galaxy. It sounded as far fetched to them as it does to us. :p
Then it actually happened and they're all "oops!".

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Explained in the Countdown comic. The Vulcan Science Council was not convinced that Spock's estimations were accurate, and they were also hesitant about turning over technology to the Romulans that could be turned into a weapon(like what Nero did with it). Valid concerns, TBH.

The D'deridex class Warbird has an artificial singularity-drive for warp core
We have the technology to do so,

Some one said "Good Job Cryptic staff and writers."
I don't thank so.:mad:

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I'm definitley seeing the beginnings of a Romulan civil war brewing, possibly the following year or this year. Also I don't think the Vulcans are going to be removed from the federation, Cryptic wouldn't do that...or would they? Either way the story so far is fantastic, can't wait to see what happens in the next 20 years. Either thier will be a reemergence of the Borg during this time and every one panics, or it leads to a war were the three romulan "Empires", I say that in quotes because they all claim the same thing, choose either the Federation or the Klingons to fight along side with and that cripples both sides, leading to the game.

Civil War?

Maybe.

Or better yet they get together and figure out that the Vulcans were their usual, 'too much caution' and decide to ban together under Admiral Taris and wage war on Vulcan instead.

Why lay the blame on themselves when the have a perfect scapegoat to blame? In which case they wage war on the Federation, which could strengthen the talks between the Klingons and the Federation, after all the Klingons hate the Romulans more then the Feddies apparently.

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President Nanietta Bacco, eh?

The Borg are coming.

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Nice little update. Its interesting to see the outcry towards the Vulcans.
I understand their caution with letting anyone get a hold of their red matter research.
Nero has shown us what can happen when it is in the wrong hands.
The Vulcans underestimated the Supernova, it wasn't intentional spite.

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Well we kind of know which side the Orions end up on. :D

Great update, always love hearing the Breen mentioned.

I think it was a good Path story. They tend to be.

However I am still a little disheartened by the lack of Gorn content, in the sense of explaining how Gorn Officers will be aligned with the Klingons and standing on Klingon Bridges. I really do not want to see what I consider to be a large story arc, to be relegated to a few paragraphs.

I just think its a lot of distance between Klingon Only Officers and conflict with the Gorn, to letting Gorn command the Bridge of a Vorcha in the KDF.

I trust Kestrel, but I am also a little worried about it taking a backseat to Romulans and Vulcans.

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I would still like to know what the deal was with the nova, anyway. What was so unusual about the star Hobus that it amounted to such a ridiculous supernova? I mean, that's a superultramegaturbonova.

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President Nanietta Bacco, eh?

The Borg are coming.

From what I've read of the Destiny series I am hoping the STO story takes place after the crazy Borg Invasion, either way it could mean alot of craziness for all factions to clean up after the 7000 Borg ships attack the quadrant. (if there's any connection)

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I don't know the Statuete (sp?) of Limitations for Spoilers are, but just in case....











In the movie, the Jellyfish was commisioned by the Vulcan Science Accademy to help the Romulans, but Spock arrived too late to stop the supernova, but was able to to use the Red Matter to turn the supernova into a blackhole. Which in turn stopped the supernova from affecting more planets and all that good stuff (though isn't a blackhole something else to worry about?).

This divergence makes me wonder if there was more of a deviance in the timelines between the STO's and Star Trek (VI) than what was explained in the movie.

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I think it was a good Path story. They tend to be.

However I am still a little disheartened by the lack of Gorn content, in the sense of explaining how Gorn Officers will be aligned with the Klingons and standing on Klingon Bridges. I really do not want to see what I consider to be a large story arc, to be relegated to a few paragraphs.

I just think its a lot of distance between Klingon Only Officers and conflict with the Gorn, to letting Gorn command the Bridge of a Vorcha in the KDF.

I trust Kestrel, but I am also a little worried about it taking a backseat to Romulans and Vulcans.

I've a feeling that there is more to it than just the isolation of one planet of the Gorn. Either there is some endoctorination going on, or it's something along the lines of a convincing them that they can get more territory to protect by joining the Klingons.

Also I wonder if Martok really knows what is going on Gila IV.

Anyways, I think that Kestrel is tying up the main focus on the Romulans which is why the coverage mostly centres on them.

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I would still like to know what the deal was with the nova, anyway. What was so unusual about the star Hobus that it amounted to such a ridiculous supernova? I mean, that's a superultramegaturbonova.

The answer from Memory Alpha

Hobus was a star in the vicinity of Romulus. In 2387, it went supernova, destroyed Romulus, and threatened many other star systems. The star's eruptions days earlier not only obliterated surrounding planets but also converted the planets' mass into energy, increasing the star's power. (Star Trek)

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THE ORION SYNDICATE AND THE ORION PEOPLE/PLANET ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS :mad::mad::mad:

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The D'deridex class Warbird has an artificial singularity-drive for warp core
We have the technology to do so,

Some one said "Good Job Cryptic staff and writers."
I don't thank so.:mad:

Actually, it would be the fault of the Countdown writers, wouldn't it?

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From what I've read of the Destiny series I am hoping the STO story takes place after the crazy Borg Invasion, either way it could mean alot of craziness for all factions to clean up after the 7000 Borg ships attack the quadrant. (if there's any connection)

Considering the Destiny trilogy happened 7 year ago in the timeline, if it's happening, it won't be till after STO launches.

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Things are looking bleak in the STO universe :( Could the Vulcans be the ancient enemy? :o Some strange culture-wide reversal back to their primal, pure emotional side? :o Or some strange logic by which they intend to clean up the galaxy :p

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Romulans return to Vulcan to continue the old tradition of Planetary wide war with emotional-passionate vengence, which I am sure the Vulcans will surely follow and drop their logic once we start destroying them; reverting us all back to life before Surak. :rolleyes: j/k hope it doen't get that bad.

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I would still like to know what the deal was with the nova, anyway. What was so unusual about the star Hobus that it amounted to such a ridiculous supernova? I mean, that's a superultramegaturbonova.

I do so hope that's a scientific term :D

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so when does the novel come out? i would like a full version with all the bells and whistles

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so when does the novel come out? i would like a full version with all the bells and whistles

Its at Borders, at least in Washington State.

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Awesome, the Alpha Quadrant is so messed up, it gives the Cardassians the opportunity to rebuild their ships and liberate ourselves against the EVIL Federation. Ha ha.

I am really liking those Evil Klingons...keep them busy boys.

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I haven't seen the movie yet, and perhaps that's what's confusing me. Doesn't the movie start out in the Prime Universe with Spock rushing to save Romulus, but arrives too late, and that's why Nero destroys Vulcan in the altered timeline? Doesn't the Spock attempted rescue happen in the Prime Universe?? Then why would it not have happened here?? Is it because the Spock attempted rescue wasn't backed by Vulcan offically?

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Good update once again!

PS: btw, There's a typo "House of Markok" :)

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I haven't seen the movie yet, and perhaps that's what's confusing me. Doesn't the movie start out in the Prime Universe with Spock rushing to save Romulus, but arrives too late, and that's why Nero destroys Vulcan in the altered timeline? Doesn't the Spock attempted rescue happen in the Prime Universe?? Then why would it not have happened here?? Is it because the Spock attempted rescue wasn't backed by Vulcan offically?

We aren't going to ruin the movie for you. So, shhhhhh it is a secret. :D

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I hope the next update gives us more information on what the Dominion is up to in the Gamma Quadrant, as well as how much damage Voyager really did to the Borg.

This Romulan stuff is nice, but it's time to hear about some of the more mysterious/dangerous species out there... :)

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The one that controls Gamma Crateris will be the ruler. Admiral Taris should not forget securing this system. The military taking over, well there could be worse things like a supernova destroying your home planet :rolleyes: My little fleet works for the good of the Emipre. I will set up a blockade on Crateris and start controlling the transporter ships with the dilithium. None of the 3 applicants for rulership will get too much of it :cool: It will turn out as a non issue muhaha.

Vulcan logic failed this time eh? It was a devious plan to get rid of the Romulan threat I say! This wont be popular! The Federation should kick them out. So it will be much easier to invade them and take revenge, without risking a war with the feds. Wont happen thou I think ...

Klingons will come to our aid? lol who else knew that would happen?

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Liking this update. It's a lot more interesting than a lot of the previous "Lives and times of Romulan 'higher ups'" he he he.

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The D'deridex class Warbird has an artificial singularity-drive for warp core
We have the technology to do so,

Some one said "Good Job Cryptic staff and writers."
I don't thank so.:mad:

Respectfully, it's not the same. The unique form of "wild" uncontrolled singularity/black hole specifically created by means of (Trek pseudo-science) red matter was shown to be very different from what we know of singularities, or singularity theory, even today.

By extension, an artificial, controlled (and standard-science) singularity harnessed as a power source is going to be, yet again, a very different beast.

As I've said here before, one of my current friends from childhood is one of the leading quantum physicists on the planet, We talk a fair bit about where certain "cutting edge" science-fictional ideas are in the real-world. He knows a _lot_ about the theory of singularities.

Short version? The red matter-induced singularity in the new Trek movie is very different from "garden variety" real-world singularity theory. And theoretical, artificial singularity engines? Something that contained and constrained would be even further removed from the red matter ruckus.

It would be like saying a .45 caliber bullet and a nuclear warhead are the same, simply because they're both, on some level, projectiles.

So cheer up, it all actually works if you allow it.

Cheers,

KOS

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Great read as usual, looks like they update more often or am i wrong? :)

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The Federation president makes a public appeal in an address to the Federation Council for the member worlds to remain calm and not ostracize Vulcan or anyone involved. "In this time of strife we need to remain united," President Nanietta Bacco says. "Assigning blame does not heal the injured, soothe the stricken or comfort the grieving."

Sure.
It's okay that one of the major race int he Federation did nothing to save billions of live - women and children, old and young.
Arrogant green-blooded hobgoblins, as Bones McCoy would say.

And Nero supposed to be the only "bad guy", heh.

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I thought Worf was the Klingon ambassador to the Federation, not the other way around. I'm confused.
This one confused me, too, because it was not clearly spelled out in previous updates. It can be inferred, however:

http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline/2385
And Worf, son of Mogh, also resigns his commission to Starfleet. Worf believes that with the recent strains in relations between the Federation and the Klingons, he will best be of service in a diplomatic role. He returns to Qo’noS to take up the post of lead ambassador, and a few months later begins a tentative relationship with Grilka, the leader of a Klingon noble house whom he had met while serving on Deep Space 9.
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/216 (emphasis mine)
Federation diplomats are speaking to both sides trying to work out a peaceful solution, but some analysts predict that a full war will erupt within four years. Worf makes a personal appeal to his friend Chancellor Martok to end hostilities, but he admits that it will be a long process.

I don't understand the news about Vulcan. Spock did warn the Romulan Senate ahead of time, but I guess the news implied that Vulcan knew months in advance? Either way, it was Romulus that refused to receive aid, rather than Vulcan refusing to offer it.

http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline/2387
On Stardate 64333.4, a Romulan Mining Guild ship observes the start of a chain of events that will forever change the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. The star in the Hobus system, in the far reaches of Romulan space, begins to exhibit massive fluxuations of radiation. Days later, Ambassador Spock of the Federation appears before the Romulan Senate to warn them about the dangers of this star.

Spock believes that if the Hobus star goes supernova, it could create a reaction that would threaten much of the Romulan Empire, and he asks the Senate to coordinate with Vulcan to find a solution. After a lengthy debate, the Senate rejects Spock's plan.

Which leads me to believe that Romulus knew the dangers involved and they probably caused the incident by some kind of experimental research/development. They refused aid and then blamed Vulcan in order to conceal the truth and perhaps provide an excuse to conquer Vulcan. Regardless of the potential threat of physically losing Vulcan, the discreditation of Vulcan is a severe blow to the Federation.

ENT shows that the moral detachment (or arrogant 'superiority') of Vulcans directly influenced the creation of the Federation and Starfleet's Prime Directive (i.e., Starfleet General Order 1). The Temporal Cold War appeared, to me, to be a Romulan device to subvert the Federation by striking at Vulcan, either through discreditation or outright destruction. Star Trek Online seems to be setting the stage for this, which directly resulted in the events of the new movie.

Interesting continuity and plot twists, I must say. :) I only hope it doesn't become too Lost-esque in its complexity!

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Another Great Read.

As far as the Vulcans are concerned. It must have been the Logical thing to do :D

Also quick question. If Spock caused the Black Hole in the STO time line
and he went in to it a couple of mins after the big ass ship but arrived 25
years later. 2 questions spring to mind.

1) Is the Black Hole still near the remains of Romulas?

2) if it is entered all these years later would you not end up 1000's of years in what
we would call the future in the other time line?

Ouchy time talk make brain hurt. :p

D.B.

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Another great update! It's always a pleasure reading these -- Kestrel's work again, I presume?

I'm a fan.

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From what I've read of the Destiny series I am hoping the STO story takes place after the crazy Borg Invasion, either way it could mean alot of craziness for all factions to clean up after the 7000 Borg ships attack the quadrant. (if there's any connection)

Unfortunately, it looks as thought the Pocket Novels and STO will not be matching up to each other, as there is a ton of game content we have seen with the BORG in it. And we all know what Picard and Starfleet did to the BORG in the Destiny Series.

I know a lot of people complain and gripe about things that are in or not in the game or this and that. And it was not my intention to add to that chorus.

Lets just say that I am disheartened by the choice of not turning to the novel titans such as DiCandido, David, Mack, Bonno, Mangels, Garfield, Reeves-Stevens, and Bennet for storyline continuity, or for outright assistance. Such an opportunity lost IMO...

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The D'deridex class Warbird has an artificial singularity-drive for warp core
We have the technology to do so,

Some one said "Good Job Cryptic staff and writers."
I don't thank so.:mad:

Do you have the tech to make a big enough singularity to stop a super sized super nova?

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I don't understand the news about Vulcan. Spock did warn the Romulan Senate ahead of time, but I guess the news implied that Vulcan knew months in advance? Either way, it was Romulus that refused to receive aid, rather than Vulcan refusing to offer it.

Nero and Spock went to Vulcan to ask if they could use the red matter technology. The Vulcans refused to let the Romulans have it in fear that it may be used wrongfully.

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Great update guys, keep em coming :)

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Greetings Unbelievers!!!

The Klingon -Romulan War will precede as schedule.
As you pink skin say: Remember the Alamo, well the Klingons remember Khittomer!!
The Federation can do little about it, but try and be diplomatic.


"And, despite heavy pressure from hardliners on the Council, the chancellor ultimately refuses calls to retaliate against the Federation."

Martok understands that when war comes he wants it one sided. That means striking at the Romulans. Make a treaty with Orion and they give hell to the federation that they can not war with the Empire. So build ship which were lost in the Dominion War. To war with the federation is to become weak. Reserve your resources.

Gorn will have to be taught a lesson first, then the Romulans. Once secured The Federation will be focused on then.


As to Vulcan, the folly of the Romulans not taking aid sit ok with them, they are dispassionate so withdrawing ambassadors means nothing to them. However, it does bode that if and when the Klingons war into Romulan space, many of those factional Colonies will be ripe to remerge with the Vulcan Imperium

Notes:

Pacifica- According to the Star Trek: Titan novels, Pacifica is part of the Federation and home to a spacefaring aquatic civilization known as the Selkies.
It is used a lot for meetings dealing with planets applications into the United Federation of Planets, Ambassador meetings and the likes. So it has extreme importance in the Federation.

Zaran II- Zaranites are a species of mammalian humanoids native to the planet Zaran II, the second planet of the Byrdica system. They are fluorine breathers, requiring them to wear gas masks and protective suits in Earth-like environments. By the 24th century, Zaranite weapons research continues to be a valuable asset to Starfleet.

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Another great read, seems like the federation is not without turmoil and sin afterall. Things are really getting spicy in the alpha quadrant, if I was the dominion or another powerfull race out there. This would be the perfect time to conquer the alpha quadrant:D

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Also quick question. If Spock caused the Black Hole in the STO time line
and he went in to it a couple of mins after the big ass ship but arrived 25
years later. 2 questions spring to mind.

1) Is the Black Hole still near the remains of Romulas?

2) if it is entered all these years later would you not end up 1000's of years in what
we would call the future in the other time line?

Ouchy time talk make brain hurt. :p

D.B.

According to sensor reports recorded on Stardate 64471.6 by the USS Enterprise-E, the Hobus supernova was contained by a limited singularity, ending the threat to the quadrant. Starfleet believes that both the Jellyfish and the Narada were lost.

this is from 2387. I suppose it means a time limit. After the red matter's energy whatever is consummed the black hole destabilzes and disapears.

and also:

Ambassador Spock returns to Vulcan, where he meets with Ambassador Jean-Luc Picard. The two appeal to the Vulcan Science Academy to assist the Romulans with the crisis in the Hobus system, but the academy declines their request without comment. The two former Starfleet officers decide that they will make their own plans to deal with the situation.

Which I'd interpret as Spock and Picard sort of steal red matter from the Vulcan Science Academy and save the universe. Seems some of the vulcans are indeed guilty of passivity.

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Another great read, seems like the federation is not without turmoil and sin afterall. Things are really getting spicy in the alpha quadrant, if I was the dominion or another powerfull race out there. This would be the perfect time to conquer the alpha quadrant:D

I would wait, for it going to destablize more, then strike, right now there heated feelings but a common threat will unite

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Worf son..... wonder if that is gonna play into the game :) I just love these tid bits.

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hehe I want to read more!!!!!!

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Nice entry I enjoyed it very much, thank you.

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I personally never liked or trusted the Vulcans. I'd prefer to support the Romulans :)

In protest to this, I will not allow a Vulcan crew member on my senior staff. hehe :)

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insult the honor of a member of the House of Markok

You dare misspell our Chancellors name! we won't stand for this! ;)

Hehe anyway, nice update. I really like these IC storyline posts. Nice for some Klingon stuff to get tossed in there again :) Keep it up!

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insult the honor of a member of the House of Markok

You dare misspell our Chancellors name! we won't stand for this! ;)


Great, now they have another reason to shoot at my little Medical ship. :D

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Aside from the misspelling and a few missing apostrophes this is great.

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I really am enjoying the storyline, it is very smooth.

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Wow this is very interesting stuff indeed. Really looking forward to more details!

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Nice update. Has a lot of immediacy to it, given how it follows the movie.

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It seems odd that Spock did not know of the Science Academy's plot to not help the Romulans, since it was his personal mission to facilitate the Vulcan-Romulan unification. Although not too many Vulcans liked the idea... so I can see why they would withhold this information from the Ambassador.

Stardate 65548.43, Worf's second son was born on July 19, 2388, 5:24pm!! XD
Stardate 65776.64, October 11, 2388, 6:00am is when the story was put out by the FNN about the Vulcan's decit. =/

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Looks like Vulcan gets destroyed in THIS timeline too! :) I can see a Romulan Fleet descending on them now !

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On Stardate 65776.64, the Federation News Network breaks a story that reports that the Vulcan Science Academy knew of the threat to Romulus but refused to take action to assist the Romulans before the destruction of their homeworld.

So much for unification :p

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With all this conflict going on I hope the little side stories like the Holograms debate, the potential Borg threat, the status of Laas and the other changlings, or the rift between Odo and Alpha Jem'hadars, don't get swept under the rug. I still like hearing the small things about our other favorite characters.

Overall very informative Path, only 21 years to go. Oh and grats to Worf on the second son. I'm guessing Worf will have him in the KDF come 2409. Make dad proud.

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Looks like Vulcan gets destroyed in THIS timeline too! :) I can see a Romulan Fleet descending on them now !


I've been thinking this for awhile. Would be odd playing this game and seeing Vulcan if my only exposure to star trek was simply the new movie (thank god it's not). I can def see one of the new Romulan factions seeking Nero style revenge. An eye for an eye. Maybe not the total destruction of the planet but some sort of weapon to make it unlivable. I remember the Klingons using a weapon like this in a TNG episode.

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...Would be odd playing this game and seeing Vulcan if my only exposure to star trek was simply the new movie (thank god it's not)...

You know I never thought of that. You mean there are freaks out there who have never been exposed to Star Trek before? Next you'll tell me the same about Star Wars.

Seriously though. I hope the game will ship with the "Path" as part of the documentation and/or have the main parts incorporated into the tutorial to get you up to speed on what's going on in the universe. They could do it as a briefing for your first mission maybe.

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I really hope that's the case but I wouldn't be willing to invest in any real-estate on Vulcan for the next 21 years.

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Well lets not forget...the new movie was the creation of an alternate timeline that is outside the one STO will take place in. (As they state in the movie about becoming an alternate universe) Lots of things happen in the mirror universe too like evil Kira ect ect...Quark being dead ect, but the main timeline continues alongside it :) Same with the new movie events....afterall, the main timeline had to happen in order to create that one :P

I definately do see Vulcan in for some whiplash though.

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Its the Romulan Senate not Vulcans that could have stoped Hubus from going Nova
with a artificial quantum singularity Warp core used in a warbird.
And that is way Nero killed them.

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I too hope side stories like Hologram rights and the borg invasion plot don't get put on the back burner. I loved Seven of Nine giving an interview at Daystrom about Starfleets flawed decisions.

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This is set up so the Romulan Star Empire is a non-factor at launch. There is three factions fighting at the moment. The Klingon Empire is taking advantage of the opportunity, and at least one Romulan colony is asking for Federation protection. I can see the Romulan Star Empire as being divided into two or three parts. A large portion could go to the Klingon Empire, while the Federation may be forced to claim some in order to save them. The Romulan Star Empire will either A) Be alot smaller or B) Not exist.

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This is set up so the Romulan Star Empire is a non-factor at launch. There is three factions fighting at the moment. The Klingon Empire is taking advantage of the opportunity, and at least one Romulan colony is asking for Federation protection. I can see the Romulan Star Empire as being divided into two or three parts. A large portion could go to the Klingon Empire, while the Federation may be forced to claim some in order to save them. The Romulan Star Empire will either A) Be alot smaller or B) Not exist.

NO way I can not see that at all, there is that base where Nero got his weapons from and
theres is still a Romulan Fleet out there.
Besides I thank the Feds will stop the Klingons and this will force in a war with the Feds.?
We will see :confused:

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muhahaha yesss Like I said on the last one , civil war look's like to me , now there's three side's to Romulas . 1 for fed.'s 1 for them selve's maybe 1 against everybody or maybe one for klingon's who know's but this is realy getting more interesting , if that's possible .

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NO way I can not see that at all, there is that base where Nero got his weapons from and
theres is still a Romulan Fleet out there.
Besides I thank the Feds will stop the Klingons and this will force in a war with the Feds.?
We will see :confused:

This lies in the hands of the Federation. So far it seems that the Federation does not want to risk another galactic conflict. They seem to be doing nothing about the Gorn or Orion situations.

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I think it was a good Path story. They tend to be.

However I am still a little disheartened by the lack of Gorn content, in the sense of explaining how Gorn Officers will be aligned with the Klingons and standing on Klingon Bridges. I really do not want to see what I consider to be a large story arc, to be relegated to a few paragraphs.

I just think its a lot of distance between Klingon Only Officers and conflict with the Gorn, to letting Gorn command the Bridge of a Vorcha in the KDF.

I trust Kestrel, but I am also a little worried about it taking a backseat to Romulans and Vulcans.

Still 21 years to go Loekii... you'll get your Gorn Captain :D

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This lies in the hands of the Federation. So far it seems that the Federation does not want to risk another galactic conflict. They seem to be doing nothing about the Gorn or Orion situations.

We do know at the start of the game Federation & Klingons are at war .
So I thank the Feds will help the Roms and that is why The Klingons go to war with them.

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Interesting update. more and more disorder and fighting seems to be the trend.

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This was a good update to the path i though but did anyone else notice that this last up was only 2 weeks ago and in that time we got a new log and another year update to the path. Rock out man!!! means that game may be closer then we think after all 21 more year to go :cool:

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a means to an end... a means to an end.

I dig the update.

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This was an awesome way to incorporate "Countdown", great work cryptic.

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This was a good update to the path i though but did anyone else notice that this last up was only 2 weeks ago and in that time we got a new log and another year update to the path. Rock out man!!! means that game may be closer then we think after all 21 more year to go :cool:

We're probably going to be looking at more consistent updates now that the new movie is out. 2387 was the date given in the movie for the launching of the Jellyfish ship, and Cryptic was probably holding onto the 2387 update until after the new movie came out. Whether this decision was an attempt to be a class act on Cryptic's part and not provide spoilers out of respect for Star Trek fans or a "gag" order from CBS, it's seems to be a reasonable assumption.

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I knew there would be internal strife with the Romulans due to a lack of central authority!
I say, Starfleet sympathisers, unite and put down the Klingon aggresors! :D Do not forget the brave actions of the Valdore against Shinzon, help the Romulans! ;)

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Has anyone else noticed how similar the name Melani D'ian is to a SW:Legacy of the Force character, Nelani Dinn?

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I wonder what the logic was for letting Romulus to be destroyed. Hope the Federation doesn't fall apart.

The Federation won't fall apart only because of the intertwined economies. It's like if the US pulled away from China due to an incident that chilled relations. We would end up hurting our own economy because we depend on so many things to be available through China.

Even in the 24th Century, money still makes the galaxy go round...


Vulcan should get raked over the coals for not doing anything about the demise of the Romulan homeworld IF they could have done something about it. If not for the Romulans, the Federation would not have triumphed against the Dominion. They could have been great allies down the road.

It'll be at least a decade before they can get their **** together enough to quell the power struggle between the remaining Romulan factions in power and solidfy the government (even with Admiral Taris's help).

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I knew there would be internal strife with the Romulans due to a lack of central authority!
I say, Starfleet sympathisers, unite and put down the Klingon aggresors! :D Do not forget the brave actions of the Valdore against Shinzon, help the Romulans! ;)

Jolan'tru Mailman653
There was two Valdores and one of them was Empress Donatra's ship
Due to the named onscreen vessel Valdore this is how the class is most commonly known."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdore_class_starship:p

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Wasn't one destroyed? I know Donatra was crippled.

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Jolan'tru Mailman653
There was two Valdores and one of them was Empress Donatra's ship

Um, actually, there was only one Valdore. Donatra was Commander (Romulan rank for Captain) of the IRW Valdore, of a new, unidentified class. The trading card game and FlastTrek Broken Mirror call it a Norexan class, while "soft canon" sources in the Titan novels call it the Mogai class. The only name we can really give it is the Valdore-type (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Valdore_type), since we don't know if it's actually called the Valdore class.

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Shinzon returns to his bridge just in time to see two Romulan warbirds decloak. On the Enterprise, Picard steps out just in time to see the same thing. Riker tells Picard this is happening "just when I thought it couldn't get any worse." At that moment, they are hailed and Commander Donatra, aboard the warbird Valdore, offers her assistance to the Enterprise. Picard is amazed that they're here to help them instead of Shinzon. She explains that the Empire considers this situation a matter of internal security and she apologizes that Picard has had to get involved.

This would state that the ship she was on was called the Valdore, not the class.

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Shinzon returns to his bridge just in time to see two Romulan warbirds decloak. On the Enterprise, Picard steps out just in time to see the same thing. Riker tells Picard this is happening "just when I thought it couldn't get any worse." At that moment, they are hailed and Commander Donatra, aboard the warbird Valdore, offers her assistance to the Enterprise. Picard is amazed that they're here to help them instead of Shinzon. She explains that the Empire considers this situation a matter of internal security and she apologizes that Picard has had to get involved.

This would state that the ship she was on was called the Valdore, not the class.

Which is exactly what I said ;)

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I think it was a good Path story. They tend to be.

However I am still a little disheartened by the lack of Gorn content, in the sense of explaining how Gorn Officers will be aligned with the Klingons and standing on Klingon Bridges. I really do not want to see what I consider to be a large story arc, to be relegated to a few paragraphs.

I just think its a lot of distance between Klingon Only Officers and conflict with the Gorn, to letting Gorn command the Bridge of a Vorcha in the KDF.

I trust Kestrel, but I am also a little worried about it taking a backseat to Romulans and Vulcans.

Don't forget we still have 21 years to go.......

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It seems odd that Spock did not know of the Science Academy's plot to not help the Romulans, since it was his personal mission to facilitate the Vulcan-Romulan unification. Although not too many Vulcans liked the idea... so I can see why they would withhold this information from the Ambassador.

`Twas not actually a plot, but rather Vulcan over-caution. If you see the trade paperback of the official movie prequel comic, Star Trek Countdown (LINK (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Countdown-J-Abrams/dp/1600104207/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241997328&sr=8-1)), all will be made clear.

Cheers,

KOS

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We do know at the start of the game Federation & Klingons are at war .

Actually, the official sources appear to conflict. I've seen Craig Zinkievich say more than once that the Federation and the Klingons are in a _cold_ war scenario when the game opens, where other Cryptic material implies that it's a standard "hot war". We may have to wait for further Path articles (or game beta) before the final truth is known.

Cheers,

KOS

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Romulans will be playable in a latter version, so they do make a comeback. I think this is a nice way to make sure we get Federation vs Klingon at the beginning because the Borg, Romulans, etc. have all been crippled.

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Would anyone like it if the borg slowly took over everything, planet by planet until they were pushed back? :)

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"The Klingons will offer no treaty, no aid, and no hand that is not holding a blade."

Best line of the whole thing.

So, you're willing to pick and chose, so why leave the crazy line of the Klingons sending a fleet with Ambasador Worf as leader for no reason, when you're willing to have Worf survive, even though he was impaled in Nero's ship in a boarding action? There are loads of alternatives that could have lead to the same results of pointing fingers and Worf surviving, even modifications to the use of Worf that would have worked better, such as him having joined the Klingon Defense Force earlier on, which would work well with him being a governor of the Empire in "All Good Things..."

For future reference, did you catch the scene in Countdown where the Remans sent ships to stop Nero? They either caused the star to Nova, or were protecting the star so it would destroy Romulus.


People getting riled up over the Vulcans not helping was also realistic. The Vulcans not helping only makes sense on the surface, they probably wanted to keep their tech out of Romulan hands. Except, the tech was going to stay with the Vulcans, its product would only leave. And even then, the product was being used by a Vulcan, even if he had become a Romulan citizen. It's an extremely dangerous product, but Spock is trustworthy. So, I hope a good reason is made for the Vulcans not helping, because the current options I can think of don't work. Although, saying outright that they didn't trust Spock would be reasonable, but if that's all, then Spock would have stepped aside to allow someone else to pilot the ship.

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I agree Markok.. I mean Martoks no hand not holding a blade line was epic. Just something he would have said in the show :)

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I agree Markok.. I mean Martoks no hand not holding a blade line was epic. Just something he would have said in the show :)

It says everything you need to know in a really good way. The Klingons will accept your arms, arm you, fight with you, or fight you. That's it.

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You have to love the Klingon way of life.

off topic, but this is my 100th post :) hehe

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only 20 or 21 if they do all the timeline before the release, to go ......

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Not bad :)... it may even release this year :p

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IMPORTANT Canon-Conflict in Path to - 2287 !!!!

In this Interview ...

http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/22/orci-and-kurtzman-reveal-star-trek-details-in-trekmovie-fan-qa/

... you can read, among other things:
-ST Countdown is Non-Canon if there is an accidental antagonism to the movie
-The Stardate in ST 11 is resembling the old Earth Year

In the Movie the computer of Spocks ship says, it was constructed on Stardate 2397,x which would be the year 2397! In ST Countdown it is TNG-Stardate 64xxx,x which would be the year 2387, like it is in ST Online history.

It is a little issue, but afaik, the game is primarily be based on series and movie canon, so it should be updated, which would mean, there should be a revised "Path to - 2387 and ´88" story.

Maybe cryptic could write something about the destiny events and the typhon pact instead (it would not neccecarily conflict with the STO timeline (Klingons vs. Federation), if the typhon pact is short living and broken after a few years).

Please don´t bash his post, I am not insisting in 100% canon correctness, I just want confusion to be avoided.

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Looks like Captain Archer was right about the Vulcans all along.

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In the Movie the computer of Spocks ship says, it was constructed on Stardate 2397,x which would be the year 2397! In ST Countdown it is TNG-Stardate 64xxx,x which would be the year 2387, like it is in ST Online history.



I think you are mistaken, the ship's computer does say 2387, as the year the ship was commisioned by the Vulcan science academy. Check memory alpha.

Too bad Orci says that countdown is not to be considered canon, it was a nice prequel comic story that passes the torch from the original (universe/timeline) to this new (universe/timeline).

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IMPORTANT Canon-Conflict in Path to - 2287 !!!!

In this Interview ...

http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/22/orci-and-kurtzman-reveal-star-trek-details-in-trekmovie-fan-qa/

... you can read, among other things:
-ST Countdown is Non-Canon if there is an accidental antagonism to the movie
-The Stardate in ST 11 is resembling the old Earth Year

In the Movie the computer of Spocks ship says, it was constructed on Stardate 2397,x which would be the year 2397! In ST Countdown it is TNG-Stardate 64xxx,x which would be the year 2387, like it is in ST Online history.

It is a little issue, but afaik, the game is primarily be based on series and movie canon, so it should be updated, which would mean, there should be a revised "Path to - 2387 and ´88" story.

Maybe cryptic could write something about the destiny events and the typhon pact instead (it would not neccecarily conflict with the STO timeline (Klingons vs. Federation), if the typhon pact is short living and broken after a few years).

Please don´t bash his post, I am not insisting in 100% canon correctness, I just want confusion to be avoided.

I see in your location your are in munic? Obviosly watched the movie in german? Then its the german translation that is wrong imo. Cryptic sticks to canon as much as they can/have to, to make a good game (that is very important to many people in the us). People in europe only read in us-forums that there is such thing as canon (like I did in march 2009). Even the wiki in german language gave me no explanation for canon that fit. Its 2387 when Hobus goes supernova, and the Jellyfish was made in the same year.

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Thanks for doing these fiction updates. I already feel a part of the game before it launches. It's nice to have insight into the history of the universe we will be shaping.

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Actually, the official sources appear to conflict. I've seen Craig Zinkievich say more than once that the Federation and the Klingons are in a _cold_ war scenario when the game opens, where other Cryptic material implies that it's a standard "hot war". We may have to wait for further Path articles (or game beta) before the final truth is known.

Cheers,

KOS

I've been taking it as a lukewarm war. Where there hasn't been an official declaration of war and no out right full scale engagements, but at the same time border skirmishes and attacks.

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The Klingons are just in a very bad mood. It's happened before, more than once. Don't panic everyone.

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The Klingons are just in a very bad mood. It's happened before, more than once. Don't panic everyone.

In fact, the Klingons being in a bad mood IS a reason to panic.
As the Hitchhiker Guide would surely say:
"DON'T PANIC! ... PANIC!"


Oh, and by the way, happy Towel Day! (25 may)

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Nice update!

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I wonder what this will mean for the federation, will the orions become the next power house in the galaxy and cause problems for the federation, will the klingons actually try to take some romulans spac? Hmm theres roughly 20 more years to go before 2409, how much war is there actually going to be by then, or will they all be solved? I think Ill take my (Ship) and check out the Romulan core on my mercy missions. Then check up on the vulcans and the red matter question...BTW, dam the vulcans, are they making a move themselves for power? or revenge? I thought they were "emtionless *******s"...emotions must of finally gotten to them...or lack there of...I hope Donatra comes back, she was one hot romulan in "Nemisis" lol :P..

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O and what happened to Worf's fleet?

And dont tell me...Diana dies...I thought Picard got rid of that timeline by telling the crew some things bout the future...

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Very sad update indeed

I am dissapointed that STO did not bypass the movie all together.

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1) I've said it before and I'll say it again - what is canon for the movies and series is not the same canon as is being used for Star Trek Online. Jack has stated he's using the books and comics that can be fit into things. Countdown, the prelude comic to the latest Star Trek movie, is something he's embraced.

2) Countdown electronic editions can be downloaded for $0.99 each from iTunes. If you have not read the comic, please do so. Not only will more of the movie be explained, but you will have a jump up as the timeline for STO moves forward. The destruction of the Worf-led force of Klingons happens at the end of comic #3/beginning of comic #4. Other things in the comic series that have been in the timeline already: Data's return. Geordi's leaving Starfleet to design ships (ie, the Jellyfish). Picard being the ambassador to Vulcan.

3) It is pretty obvious to me things are splitting three ways with the Romulans - one faction may end up backed by the Klingons, another by the Feds, and the third independent until someone takes controls and Rommies become a playable race. This is definitely a good source of conflict, and maybe perhaps where the PVP in the game will be occurring at the start.

4) I believe the Grilka-Worf thing happens in a book. Please correct me if I am wrong.

5) Orions are already on the list of possible races on the Klingon side, I do believe.

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O and what happened to Worf's fleet?

And dont tell me...Diana dies...I thought Picard got rid of that timeline by telling the crew some things bout the future...

Wouldn't really change anything if she died of natural causes. I don't remember if they said how she died.

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Dude Go watch the move again.
Or just watch THIS and YOU CAN SEE TWO Valdore not one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUykHvGxFTM

/facepalm



You didn't even read my post, did you? I'm not debating that there were two ships, and both obviously of the same class. I'd have to be blind not ot notice that. It's just that only one of them is named the IRW Valdore, the one Donatra is commanding. It's the ship name, not necessarily the class name. That'd be like if I called every Galaxy class ship we saw an "Enterprise", just because the first ship we saw of that class was called that :rolleyes:

"The Klingons will offer no treaty, no aid, and no hand that is not holding a blade."

Best line of the whole thing.

So, you're willing to pick and chose, so why leave the crazy line of the Klingons sending a fleet with Ambasador Worf as leader for no reason, when you're willing to have Worf survive, even though he was impaled in Nero's ship in a boarding action? There are loads of alternatives that could have lead to the same results of pointing fingers and Worf surviving, even modifications to the use of Worf that would have worked better, such as him having joined the Klingon Defense Force earlier on, which would work well with him being a governor of the Empire in "All Good Things..."

For future reference, did you catch the scene in Countdown where the Remans sent ships to stop Nero? They either caused the star to Nova, or were protecting the star so it would destroy Romulus.


People getting riled up over the Vulcans not helping was also realistic. The Vulcans not helping only makes sense on the surface, they probably wanted to keep their tech out of Romulan hands. Except, the tech was going to stay with the Vulcans, its product would only leave. And even then, the product was being used by a Vulcan, even if he had become a Romulan citizen. It's an extremely dangerous product, but Spock is trustworthy. So, I hope a good reason is made for the Vulcans not helping, because the current options I can think of don't work. Although, saying outright that they didn't trust Spock would be reasonable, but if that's all, then Spock would have stepped aside to allow someone else to pilot the ship.

I agree, that line was singularly the best writing in all of the updates yet. Really captured the feel and character of the Klingons, especially Martok.

As for picking and choosing, I'm glad they left out Worf's impalement. That really ****ed me off, especially since they never answered whether he lived or died. And it'd be really careless of the writers to kill him off so easily.

As for the Remans, I noticed what you're talking about, but I don't know so much if it was specifically guarding the supernova itself. This is from the Path update of 2386, right before the Hobus went nova.

Ambassador Spock reports that the Romulan Mining Guild has finished a multi-year study of Remus and has presented its findings to the Romulan Senate. The guild reports that the planet has been seriously overmined, and recommends that to avoid a Praxis situation that the Reman operations should be shut down and mining operations should be moved to more distant areas of space. The guild spreads their operations across the Empire, settling hundreds of miners and their families on space stations and colonies light years away from Romulus.

The guild further recommends that it be put in charge of all off-world mining, but Colonel Xiomek uses his new position in the Senate to block that request. The conflict between the guild and the Remans sparks a number of skirmishes between guild ships and Remans in distant areas of the Empire.

So the STO timeline set up motivations for the Remans, and it seems they attacked due to the tension between them, a miner race, and the Romulan Mining Guild. I doubt they had any ulterior motives other than to harass the Mining Guild, and just happened to get in the way of the Hobus rescue operation. After all, what would they gain from letting the star go nova without a singularity to contain it? Their own world, Remus, would be destroyed along with Romulus (since we're not sure if they're all on Crateris yet), and even if you place them on Crateris, the supernova was supposed to threaten at least the entire Quadrant, so they still wouldn't be safe if they had sabotaged attempts to absorb the Hobus nova with the singularity.

Also, did you notice the distinct Scimitar references in their ship design? Interesting, that, especially since those are the first "normal" Reman ships we've seen. Apparently that kind of forward hull is a common design amongst their starships.

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Jolan'tru Jolan'tru Sevenblade

Valdore Is the class and the name of Donatra's ship
The mame Mogai class is non Canon .
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Mogai_class_starships

Valdore being the class name is not canon. There is no canon name for Donatra's ship at this point, and it is unlikely that a canon name will pop up in the forseeable future.

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Dude Go watch the move again.
Or just watch THIS and YOU CAN SEE TWO Valdore not one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUykHvGxFTM


You didn't even read my post, did you? I'm not debating that there were two ships, and both obviously of the same class. I'd have to be blind not ot notice that. It's just that only one of them is named the IRW Valdore, the one Donatra is commanding. It's the ship name, not necessarily the class name. That'd be like if I called every Galaxy class ship we saw an "Enterprise", just because the first ship we saw of that class was called that


Jolan'tru Jolan'tru Sevenblade

Valdore Is the class and the name of Donatra's ship
The mame Mogai class is non Canon .
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Mogai_class_starships

OKAY, DeRhamme talking bout the class and Sevenblade bout the ship names. Issue solved :p

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LOL Your telling a Roumlan that, LOL Your funny:p
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Valdore_type

You typed the class and name is...

That indicates that the name of the vessel is Valdore; which is a true statement.

That also indicates that the class of the vessel is Valdore; which is not a true statement.

I shouldn't have to tell a "Romulan" that. Valdore is a class designation that alot of people give, but has no basis in canon. It's just like the situation when people were calling the USS Reliant, a Reliant class starship. It had no basis in canon.

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You are WRONG All the info says it a Valdore Class:p
http://tnz2.cateia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Valdore_Class
lest ues the Excelsior it Is the name of the ship and the class, untell they renamed it Enterpise.:eek:

Ok peps Talk about 2388.

This is starting to get repetitive and mildly irritating.

Ok, for one, your source is about the farthest thing from official or canon. So it doesn't help your argument in the slightest. Two, as has been stated ad nauseam on this thread, the class name of the two warbirds was never stated. The only thing that was stated was that Donatra was commanding the Valdore. As in the ship's name. Not the class. That wouldn't make sense. Picard doesn't go around going "This is Captain Picard of the Galaxy class"

There's plenty of ships shown that have never had their class identified, but had a ship's name revealed. Since we don't know the actual name of the class, it's just usually called (Insert name)-type ship. So the official name is just a Valdore-type (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Valdore_type)in canon, until someone reveals the name of the class onscreen. In the books, it's called a Mogai class (http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Mogai_class), but obviously that's not canon.

So in simple terms for you:

Donatra's personal warbird: IRW Valdore (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/IRW_Valdore), of the Valdore-type
2nd warbird in Bassen Rift: Unnamed, of the Valdore-type (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Valdore_type)

I can't state it any more clearly than that. If you don't get it after that, I give up. But I will unequivocally state that as of yet, there is no Valdore class.

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You do not get it I realy do not care what you call it, I know a lot guys who play Romulan the will agree
with ME so move on dude.:p
http://tnz2.cateia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Valdore_Class
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/sigh I can't prove anything to you if you're simply not going to read my posts, again and again. It's pretty clear that you're not reading a word I typed, and simply just echo your own opinion repeatedly without even considering the heaps of evidence being shown to you.

I'll say it again:

Ok, for one, your source is about the farthest thing from official or canon. So it doesn't help your argument in the slightest. Two, as has been stated ad nauseam on this thread, the class name of the two warbirds was never stated. The only thing that was stated was that Donatra was commanding the Valdore. As in the ship's name. Not the class. That wouldn't make sense. Picard doesn't go around going "This is Captain Picard of the Galaxy class

I've shown you clear canon evidence that the ship class was never named, so until that point, we just refere to it canonically as the Valdore-type. It doesn't matter how many "Romulans" or Romulan players/fans think it's called the Valdore class. That just means they're all wrong, as ship class names aren't a popularity contest.

This is the last time I'll make this point, as I've repeated myself like 3 times now. It's probably pointless, since you seem to have a penchant for not reading my posts, anyways. After this, if you want to continue believing in the incorrect notion of the Valdore class, that's not my problem, nor my fault. :rolleyes:

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*Points to the last paragraph of my previous post*

I already told you I'm done. It's ironic that you actually aren't moving on. Go ahead, I don't have anything more to say on this issue. I was trying to have a discussion with MajorD, but you insisted upon repeating the argument, so I thought it was natural to respond to your blatantly incorrect statements. I already agreed to move on; there's no need to get so worked up.

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Dear god please stop with the nerd off. No one wins a nerd off ,It just makes us all look bad.

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Valdore class, Valdore type, each to their own. It just means they haven't gotten around to officially give oit a class name yet.

IRW Valdore
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IRW Valdore


Class: Valdore-type
Affiliation: Romulan Empire
Status: Active (2379)



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The IRW Valdore was a Valdore-type Romulan warbird launched in the 24th century. Its first known encounter came in 2379 when it assisted the USS Enterprise-E in engaging the Scimitar in the Bassen Rift. At the time, its commanding officer was Commander Donatra. The Valdore suffered heavy damage in the assault, but survived. It would later dispatch shuttlecraft with medical support to aide injured crewmembers aboard the Enterprise-E. (Star Trek Nemesis)

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Valdore class, Valdore type, each to their own. It just means they haven't gotten around to officially give oit a class name yet.

IRW Valdore
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IRW Valdore


Class: Valdore-type
Affiliation: Romulan Empire
Status: Active (2379)



You may also be looking for the Valdore type warship
The IRW Valdore was a Valdore-type Romulan warbird launched in the 24th century. Its first known encounter came in 2379 when it assisted the USS Enterprise-E in engaging the Scimitar in the Bassen Rift. At the time, its commanding officer was Commander Donatra. The Valdore suffered heavy damage in the assault, but survived. It would later dispatch shuttlecraft with medical support to aide injured crewmembers aboard the Enterprise-E. (Star Trek Nemesis)

Dude, we're done. Please don't add to the disagreement. I already told him all this, and he doesn't want to listen anyways. It's not a big deal. Let's just move forward and talk about the Path, rather than focus one detail I was only mildly interested in correcting him on anyways.

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Valdore class, Valdore type, each to their own. It just means they haven't gotten around to officially give oit a class name yet.

IRW Valdore
From Memory Alpha, the free Star Trek referenceJump to: navigation, search
IRW Valdore


Class: Valdore-type
Affiliation: Romulan Empire
Status: Active (2379)



You may also be looking for the Valdore type warship
The IRW Valdore was a Valdore-type Romulan warbird launched in the 24th century. Its first known encounter came in 2379 when it assisted the USS Enterprise-E in engaging the Scimitar in the Bassen Rift. At the time, its commanding officer was Commander Donatra. The Valdore suffered heavy damage in the assault, but survived. It would later dispatch shuttlecraft with medical support to aide injured crewmembers aboard the Enterprise-E. (Star Trek Nemesis)

Jolan'tru Kalorn
Nice post:cool:

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So the Orions are asking the Klingons for help? thats too bad, I was really hoping my Mother's people would address the Federation for aid... instead I fear they are simply playing the same games as before with the Klingons, a enemy they had no chance of defeating before, but one they now can subvert. Chancellor Martok better be careful or he'll find a Orion sitting on his throne...

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I really enjoy reading these. Keep up the good work and I'll keep counting down.

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I loved this update, this is great ST canon!!
But I hope to see more Borg and Dominion involvement! After all, the Galaxy is much smaller these days!!

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very good and only 21 more paths to go.
ps My vulcan Doctor fines the Vulcan science academy not giving the Romulans the red matter technology
very logical.

also bye,bye Markok. ;)

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Wait, so through JJ Abrams logic, black holes = different realities, then why were they all talking time travel??...My Stargate brain is vomiting split pea soup like crazy. I won't get into details how that ISN'T possible, that's not why I'm posting. I'm posting because, so Romulus is still gone, and Vulcan is still here...right?
But secretly, if the Romulans were a little more patient and understanding as a whole, I would like them more than the Vulcans....Stupid logic...everything's always black and white with them.

I know I'm a little late posting this, I've been busy with work.

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very good and only 21 more paths to go.
ps My vulcan Doctor fines the Vulcan science academy not giving the Romulans the red matter technology
very logical.

also bye,bye Markok. ;)

The Romulans did not need the red matter we have a Cochrane artificial quantum singularity that powers
our ships so way would we need Vulcan Technology.

I realy do not like this path to 2409:mad::mad::mad:

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The Romulans did not need the red matter we have a Cochrane artificial quantum singularity that powers
our ships so way would we need Vulcan Technology.

I realy do not like this path to 2409:mad::mad::mad:

well, thank JJ for it ... Cryptic is at least keepeing us romulans alive so far ... with options in every way too, including remans. STO 1.0 = fed vs kling ; STO 2.0 fed vs kling vs rom :eek: (btw wow 3.0 was wotlk)

disclaimer: only Cryptic, JJ, Q, Paramount, and the future knows for sure.

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So the Orions are asking the Klingons for help? thats too bad, I was really hoping my Mother's people would address the Federation for aid... instead I fear they are simply playing the same games as before with the Klingons, a enemy they had no chance of defeating before, but one they now can subvert. Chancellor Martok better be careful or he'll find a Orion sitting on his throne...

With an Orion on the klingons throne it will be STO 2.0 fed vs ROM :D (after we did the alliance thing with the Orion empire)

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never happen with the Orions

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i love what cryptic is doing with the storyline but lets keep in mind that there just investigating the idea that vulcan didn't want to help remus and knew about its destruction but that doesn't mean they will find them guilty because as we saw in the movie spock did try to help remus but just wasn't quick enough so do you think spock wasn't quick enough on purpose or do you think he really gave it a try and really just failed???

but great update i loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

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Cryptic is doing a great job. I like the name K'Dhan.

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Mentioned originally by Matt_Dravis in post #67, I haven't seen this point addressed adequately yet. That is, if the Romulan Senate were made aware of Hobus possibly exploding but still refused help how is the crisis supposed to be Vulcan's fault?

Even if Nero personally asked Vulcan for red matter, Nero isn't the Romulan Senate. Vulcan would have been abiding by Romulan wishes by refusing him also. Why isn't Vulcan telling everyone "Spock did tell the Romulans. They said 'No' and we (Vulcan) didn't really believe Spock either. And even if we did, remember that the Romulan Senate said 'No'. "

Did I miss something as the cause for blaming Vulcan despite proof otherwise?

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Sorry, I don't know what about Klingons conflict with the Gorn has any correlation with Feds-Klingon relations?
Gorn is the common enemy both sides, isn't it?