Fed KDF-wannabees are polluting our sacred Empire!

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What happened to the really great Klingon players? Those guys you knew were watching your back. PvP was all about tactics in those days when warriors were proud of naming their ships "Yowvl' atleth" and "Qlb vo' Hegh". Our lineage and proud glory is overshadowed by the "Daisies Tugboat's" or some other slanderous insult to a ship of the empire, by Feds rolling a KDF for the fun-of it, and not caring about the faction at all.

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meh. the more the merrying. And yes, I have met them. I have pvped with them and saw thier 'fed tactics' but still pretend to be klingons.
I see the fedball of negvars.
The more wanna be KDF the more likely the feds will no longer think we are op

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Cry havoc ... fizzle, bang, pop. Is that MEANT to smoke like that? ... Will SOMEONE please call engineering!!!

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O.o;

People are complaining because other are actually playing KDF people. just remember once you chase the others away, don't complain cause no more Klingon updates happen.

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The numbers were never a problem for me. Cryptic decided on that all by themselves. All I was pointing out that that the really great KDF players have all left. If you want me to celebrate that I am getting to team with FED players that don't know how to team, then it's unfortunately not going to happen.

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That's a great mindset. Have fun ostracizing yourself from players who play both sides of the fence. Goodness forbid anyone actually have fun in this game instead of treating it like the military :p

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O.o;

People are complaining because other are actually playing KDF people. just remember once you chase the others away, don't complain cause no more Klingon updates happen.

What people? I am one person the last time I checked. Also, there were Klingon Updates? When? What did we get? Yipppeeee [* not]

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That's a great mindset. Have fun ostracizing yourself from players who play both sides of the fence. Goodness forbid anyone actually have fun in this game instead of treating it like the military :p

I'm a Klingon - I'm already ostracized.

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Yes, I'm sure it's all their fault. Might as well be red side for CoH or something. Not sure why a certain type of player always feels that they need to be the black sheep.

You knew what you were getting into when you went Klingon - you went to a faction that has to be unlocked, and therefore will have less players than people who got used to playing Fed.

I'm sure you'll be even happy with newbs when they can start rolling Klingons straight from the get-go though. At least they won't be "posers" :rolleyes:

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Yes, I'm sure it's all their fault. Might as well be red side for CoH or something. Not sure why a certain type of player always feels that they need to be the black sheep.

You knew what you were getting into when you went Klingon - you went to a faction that has to be unlocked, and therefore will have less players than people who got used to playing Fed.

I'm sure you'll be even happy with newbs when they can start rolling Klingons straight from the get-go though. At least they won't be "posers" :rolleyes:

Actually I was told a whole different version of "What I was getting into" by the Devs with the Klingons. Peregrine (http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=217322) summed it up nicely and would insult him if I tried to match it. You should give it a read.

I will be happy with any newbs and would welcome them with open arms, if they play the KDF because they love the lore and Klingon Empire. I love the Klingon faction as I am sure that there are Starfleet out there that would defend their faction equally.

Any Klingon player would understand what I am saying. So if this post is going to be a fed-ball, I'm use to that.

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The Fed players will probably leave when they realize that Fed tactics don't work KDF side.

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The Fed players will probably leave when they realize that Fed tactics don't work KDF side.

LOL - yeah like dying real fast ;) Well now that I have boosted my popularity status, off to kill something shiny. Didn't realise STO was such a pageant!

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I am Lieutenant General K'Gonok, of the House of Citak.

I am the proud commander of the Varanus Class I.K.S. ngaQ lojmIt.

And I am with you, from here, to Gre'Thors gates.

QAPLA!

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I am Lieutenant General K'Gonok, of the House of Citak.

I am the proud commander of the Varanus Class I.K.S. ngaQ lojmIt.

And I am with you, from here, to Gre'Thors gates.

QAPLA!

I see that you play both Klingon and Federation by your avatar and I hope you have much fun with both. But I also see that you play the KDF with honor!

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I love ST:VI ...;)
I must protest. To offer the Klingons a safe haven within Federation space is suicide. Klingons would become the alien trash of the galaxy. And if we dismantle the fleet, we'd be defenceless before an aggressive species with a foothold on our territory. The opportunity here is to bring them to their knees. Then we'll be in a far better position to dictate terms.

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Obviously the general skill level will become diluted if some are just "tourists", but if more people are enjoying the faction, the faction's likely to get more love. And it's not like they're changing your game experience. If you want better team mates on PvP, do it in a team of people you know. Fleet's are pretty handy for this. I play both sides, but inspite of the lack of content I'm flying Klingon far more often. I'm afraid your views don't represent those of all Klingon players, I hope you find a game more to your liking if you do leave.

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something about a BoP not cloaking and heading full impulse into a fed mob. Makes you go huh what! no! fed?

I used to agree with the OP. Now, I accept that some people just don't get it. "Like an escort flying with 80 weapons?"

If that means I'll loose my arena match, then so be it.

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I see that you play both Klingon and Federation by your avatar and I hope you have much fun with both. But I also see that you play the KDF with honor!

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VA V. Katic was my first toon, and I made her look like me.

I had.. Troubles.. Here on the forums when I used my actual picture.

So I'm using the closest substitute.

I am, even now, leveling an Orion kinds-sorta-lookalike to replace it, but darn-it, I will have a BG sash in the picture, and I'm not quite there yet.

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Close the borders!

What happened to the really great Klingon players? Those guys you knew were watching your back. PvP was all about tactics in those days when warriors were proud of naming their ships "Yowvl' atleth" and "Qlb vo' Hegh". Our lineage and proud glory is overshadowed by the "Daisies Tugboat's" or some other slanderous insult to a ship of the empire, by Feds rolling a KDF for the fun-of it, and not caring about the faction at all.
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You guys complain that there isn’t enough klingons, because of the lack of development from the devs, and now you’re discriminating against the fed players, who are obviously trying out the klingon faction.
Are you guys ever happy with what’s going on?
Your way of thinking is destroying your favourite faction.
I don’t want to see the Klingon faction die, but I can’t help but notice many of the post from klingons players who are grudging about their mistreated faction, always find time to insult fed players who have nothing to do with your problem.
I’m beginning to think most/not all klingon players are nothing but moaners, no wonder Sto is starting to ignore you guys.

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Thankfully the OP does not get to decide who may or may not play on the KDF side. If new players show up, that´s good. Giving them time to learn their way with a new faction is even better. :)

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Thankfully the OP does not get to decide who may or may not play on the KDF side. If new players show up, that´s good. Giving them time to learn their way with a new faction is even better. :)

I couldn't have said it better. I'll add that nobody just shows up knowing how to play either faction perfectly from the get go. I'm happy to see new Klingon players. It is our job to to show them what it means to be a Klingon. Instead of mocking them, take them under your wing and show them how it is done. There are a lot of Klingon players here that learned from someone else. Pass it on.

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Bring on the new KDF players by the bus load. This means higher population, more demand and more content released for a growing player base.

Instead of shooting the new players right at the gate, help them to play and enjoy the faction...

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What people? I am one person the last time I checked. Also, there were Klingon Updates? When? What did we get? Yipppeeee [* not]

You may want to transfer your KDF toon to the Tribble test server and see what the updates are.

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I just want to say that the OP does not speak for me. I welcome the converts (or at least those willing to give the "red" faction a try). The more the merrier.

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The don't name your ship 'that', use this type a ship, don't use that weapon type, don't use those colors on your toon's uniform, don't use that type of toon's classification.... basically the know-it-all attitude is something I've seen towards new KDF players going back to last year to my numerous attempts to get a KDF character off the ground, and that attitude reason why there are not more KDF players.

Players have a right to spec their ships for PVP how they want, call their ships what they want (within reason of course!!!), use whatever in game equipment that they prefer, etc, etc, etc. You want to be a hardcore KDF teamer / PVPer / STF Runner, fine, wonderful, but not every one is going to play that way, nor should they. And as soon as the hardcore KDF players as a whole get that, I firmly believe that with the upcoming updates, there will be short term 'boost' in KDF activity and then it'll be back to where it is now.

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Having more players come over to the Empire can only be a good thing.

If they aren't very good PvPers, doesn't it make more sense to help them learn to be good PvPers, instead of making ridiculing them on the forums? At least they had the courage to come over to the Empire, at least they are trying to PvP.

We should all respect them, and thank them, for that.

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Hi community,

First off - I am wrong. I apologise for my attitude. It was brought about by a bout of being left to die alone in numerous matches by my team mates or mid-match warp-outs.

I do not want to be that moaner, and reading over the replies thats clearly what I am seen as. The funny thing is I am not that guy. Sometimes my passions get the better of me.

So I humbly apologise to all Federation players whether they roll KDF now or in the future. I will always have your back.

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You guys complain that there isn’t enough klingons, because of the lack of development from the devs, and now you’re discriminating against the fed players, who are obviously trying out the klingon faction.
Are you guys ever happy with what’s going on?
Your way of thinking is destroying your favourite faction.
I don’t want to see the Klingon faction die, but I can’t help but notice many of the post from klingons players who are grudging about their mistreated faction, always find time to insult fed players who have nothing to do with your problem.
I’m beginning to think most/not all klingon players are nothing but moaners, no wonder Sto is starting to ignore you guys.

I have tried teaming with new KDF players that came over from the fed side. They didn't accept the team invite i sent and when they did accept it they didn't bother listening to my advice for PvP. They just did the same old Fed tactics that resulted in their deaths numerous times.

I have even tried the above when I do PvP on my fed toons. They don't listen and I laugh as they die.

I have joined some teams that work as a team, but they are very few.

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I have tried teaming with new KDF players that came over from the fed side. They didn't accept the team invite i sent and when they did accept it they didn't bother listening to my advice for PvP. They just did the same old Fed tactics that resulted in their deaths numerous times.

I have even tried the above when I do PvP on my fed toons. They don't listen and I laugh as they die.

I have joined some teams that work as a team, but they are very few.

New players have a lot to learn, and for some people it's hard to look at a chat window while all the carnage is going on, also the controls can be tricky as well when you’re new. Did you ever consider they might be new to the MMO world entirely?

Despite them not flying at your expectations, if they weren’t around the game would not expand, and you would be left playing with yourself. You think they are not listening to you...in some cases it might be true, but most of them are just trying to get used to the multitasking. Been able to take advice from a chat window comes very last, after they have mastered powers, shields, and the rest of the show. The only way to avoid it is to find a group and stick to them for pvp, if you can’t handle Pugs.
:D

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Wow this is a first what happend to being allowed play both factions. Im in support of both getting equal content but different content unique to each faction. Saying a person playing a klingon is only pretending says alot about the type of players ye are!!

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Yes being loyal to a faction now this I can understand fully. However giving out about feds playing klingon is not good. Some are pretty good. Personally I feel you need a fleet to do any real teaming in pvp. If your not a premade these days you might aswel high up your bat'let or Phaser.

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Hi community,

First off - I am wrong. I apologise for my attitude. It was brought about by a bout of being left to die alone in numerous matches by my team mates or mid-match warp-outs.

I do not want to be that moaner, and reading over the replies thats clearly what I am seen as. The funny thing is I am not that guy. Sometimes my passions get the better of me.

So I humbly apologise to all Federation players whether they roll KDF now or in the future. I will always have your back.

It's cool man, we all hate when that happens. Just... have a cup of tea and a sit down next time.:D

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Considering the confusing circumstances upon first entering Qo'Nos... hell the second and third time of entering Qo'Nos! There are going to be few (if any) wannabes making it past Lieutenant.

The biggest factor against my KDF advancement is not being a PvPer, and I play solo. I suppose that will keep me from spoiling the pure experience of the adverse. ;)

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Considering the confusing circumstances upon first entering Qo'Nos... hell the second and third time of entering Qo'Nos! There are going to be few (if any) wannabes making it past Lieutenant.

The biggest factor against my KDF advancement is not being a PvPer, and I play solo. I suppose that will keep me from spoiling the pure experience of the adverse. ;)

If you think about it anyone who wants a level 51 klingon is not a wannabe if they put in that time to get one. Its not easy like fed side.

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If you think about it anyone who wants a level 51 klingon is not a wannabe if they put in that time to get one. Its not easy like fed side.

I've already said I was sorry. Is it really necessary to continue beating this dear dead horse?

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Hi community,

First off - I am wrong. I apologise for my attitude. It was brought about by a bout of being left to die alone in numerous matches by my team mates or mid-match warp-outs.

I do not want to be that moaner, and reading over the replies thats clearly what I am seen as. The funny thing is I am not that guy. Sometimes my passions get the better of me.

So I humbly apologise to all Federation players whether they roll KDF now or in the future. I will always have your back.

All good, I take back what I posted; you do not fit into this criteria.
You must have had a really bad day which I can understand.
Sorry for any offense.:)

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Having more players come over to the Empire can only be a good thing.

If they aren't very good PvPers, doesn't it make more sense to help them learn to be good PvPers, instead of making ridiculing them on the forums? At least they had the courage to come over to the Empire, at least they are trying to PvP.

We should all respect them, and thank them, for that.

I can only agree with this.

Also, to the OP, there seems you also miss the Klingon ship names. I slightly agree, but I feel it's nice to also see English ones. Not everyone speaks or understands Klingon. That said mine is named Vav'o'VeS. It means "Father of War."

Thank the world for mister Klingon.

http://www.mrklingon.org/

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I've klingonised some non Klingon things, my Negh'var is Mjol'nir, which is Thor's hammer, with the Klingon apostrophe in there, and also my Bird of Prey is now Ro'dan (it's previous name was slightly dubious), after Rodan, a large flying monster that was an adversary then ally of Godzilla.

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Nice! That is actually a nice idea!

And just a hint of my real-life name. Give me my hammer back! :D

And also, back to main topic, shouldn't we actually try to help those who struggle a bit in pvp? Building a stronger pvp foundation and empire (even without Asimov), getting new players. Hasn't this been one of the things we have really wanted to do?

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I can only agree with this.

Also, to the OP, there seems you also miss the Klingon ship names. I slightly agree, but I feel it's nice to also see English ones. Not everyone speaks or understands Klingon. That said mine is named Vav'o'VeS. It means "Father of War."

Thank the world for mister Klingon.

http://www.mrklingon.org/

Thanks handy, i was wondering how i should name my ship.:D

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Thanks handy, i was wondering how i should name my ship.:D

You are most welcome :)

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Ah yes the klingon faction: honor and klingon shipnames. The KDF in this game consists of more than just Klingons, sometimes people seem to forget this.

I never was a big fan of the Fed-Klingon war and none of my KDF characters is actually a Klingon. I always liked the ideals of the Federation and do not really like to destroy Federation ships, still I have KDF characters that I play.

My Gorn Lt. General is in command of a Gorn ship with a gornish name and a Gorn crew and if there would be a chance to free his people and Klingons have to be slayed for that, he would do it without thinking twice about it. At the moment he is part of the KDF and playes the good boy and I think that's a valid way to play a character in this faction. Not everything has to be klingonised because it has a red UI.

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My Orion, my first KDF character, her naming theme was going with fancy sounding names that had a feel that you could see in a KDF ship crewed by none Klingons.

IKS Ganos Lal, IKS Dakara, IKS Taranis

My second character is Alien, posed as a Romulan, a member of the KDF out of revenge and necessity. Her ships have latin sounding names. like her tier 2 cruiser, the IKS Domivaitus.

I also have a tribble Gorn, but he's named for fun and not taken seriously. When the Gorn update goes live though I'll give him a serious name and serious named ships. Till then on tribble don't look to down on me when if you see an IKS Tokyo or Bust.

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That's a great mindset. Have fun ostracizing yourself from players who play both sides of the fence. Goodness forbid anyone actually have fun in this game instead of treating it like the military :p
If someone gets me and my team killed in PvP because they are playing like a Fed, it's not fun...

I have no problem losing as long as people work as a team and we do our best. Unfortunately, a lot of Fed players who think they are wicked at PvE don't have a clue about PvP, which is a big chunk of the Klingon faction experience. And they play like that/play like they are on Fed side, meaning they seem to think that just because they have an Uber-awesome ship named EnterpriZe on fed side that ownz NPCs all the time, that Klink side is a cakewalk and they don't need to team in PvP arenas.

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Geez, how dense can some people be?

I want a game with two living factions.

In order for that to happen, more people need to play KDF. We've already heard that the devs are not going to spend a whole lot of time developing exclusively for KDF because the numbers are not there.

So when previously Fed players roll a Klingon or a Gorn or otherwise and keep playing it, KDF players should be celebrating. Because it's the only way KDF is going to get content.

The negative reaction that says, "Drive these pretenders out of MY faction!" is really not helping the cause a whole lot.

I really do empathize that these players don't get "The Klingon Way". I can't say that I myself am a 'good Klingon'. But I'm willing to learn to be.

And don't forget this is an MMO. Some people are going to give their characters and ships silly names just because they feel like it... and that is even more visible on the Fed side, if anyone bothers to look. Heck, I gave my first character a silly name and I'm not the least bit ashamed of it.

So, in closing, if you want a 'pure' KDF faction... you ain't getting it. What you CAN do is to teach the buggers to act like Klingons if they're willing to learn.

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I recently rolled a kling toon during the content drought, And was forced to level by playing feature episodes.
There really is not a lot of pvp at lower ters any more. Just to get a match i have to waste like 4 to 6 hours for one arena or cap and hold. Where exactly are we so posed to learn the Klingon style of game play, most of the experienced pvp players on the Klingon side are around of VA rank. Most of K v K ques are completely empty most of the times, the only real pvp takes place at higher levels any more.

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Not all have left...don't bother the Freds comin to try the Dark Side...
Once they realize there's 1/5 the amount of content, maybe they'll all voice that to Cryptic and maybe by the time the Game's 2 or 3 years old the Klingons will have something at least close to the content the Feds have now...:D

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Whatever has become of the call to bring in new Klingon players? We have a sticky here inviting people to come try out the faction and teaching them. Has this effort stopped?

It would be a crying shame if, instead of embracing the new players, it becomes custom to ridicule and shun them. I'm happy to see that this was just "spur of the moment" in posting and hope that was made out of anger.

Are there possibilities to make an Academy fleet perhaps? If you see a player who seems a bit helpless, ping them. "Hey there! That didn't go too well, eh? Say, are you new to your ship/rank/the Klingon faction? There is this fleet we made for new folks to join in so we can show them the ropes a bit, wanna join perhaps? It would be fun to learn with others about...."

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I believe its a mixture of things. For so long, due to the lack of attention, lack of content, lack of... everything, the KDF has dwindled into a small mostly tight knit community that takes the KDF very seriously. Now with the advent of new things for the starting areas of the KDF and new players who know nothing of what we've been through, or how we've come to operate as an Empire, there's a clashing of old and new ways.

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I believe its a mixture of things. For so long, due to the lack of attention, lack of content, lack of... everything, the KDF has dwindled into a small mostly tight knit community that takes the KDF very seriously. Now with the advent of new things for the starting areas of the KDF and new players who know nothing of what we've been through, or how we've come to operate as an Empire, there's a clashing of old and new ways.

That is certainly true, but we should never, ever adopt an elitist attitude because of it.

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Geez, how dense can some people be?

I want a game with two living factions.

In order for that to happen, more people need to play KDF. We've already heard that the devs are not going to spend a whole lot of time developing exclusively for KDF because the numbers are not there.

So when previously Fed players roll a Klingon or a Gorn or otherwise and keep playing it, KDF players should be celebrating. Because it's the only way KDF is going to get content.

The negative reaction that says, "Drive these pretenders out of MY faction!" is really not helping the cause a whole lot.

I really do empathize that these players don't get "The Klingon Way". I can't say that I myself am a 'good Klingon'. But I'm willing to learn to be.

And don't forget this is an MMO. Some people are going to give their characters and ships silly names just because they feel like it... and that is even more visible on the Fed side, if anyone bothers to look. Heck, I gave my first character a silly name and I'm not the least bit ashamed of it.

So, in closing, if you want a 'pure' KDF faction... you ain't getting it. What you CAN do is to teach the buggers to act like Klingons if they're willing to learn.

My intention has been entirely misconstrued from the start - The only three real issues I have ever had are the following:

1.) While there are serious Klingon players trying to contribute to the Klingon Faction's authenticity and sportsmanship like teaming etc., there are those who seem determined to turn the Klingon faction something that it was not some months ago. Refusal to team, maverick bravado, and deserting team mates that are under fire never happened as much as it is happening now.

2.) I do have a problem with names or ships and characters when their object is intentionally offensive. I can't name-and-shame some of them, but some are rather graphic in nature. Yes, I'm afraid I have a problem with that.

3.) There are certain unique things that the KDF have like the scanning of anomaly (yes, you all know the particular instances I am referring too!) that is exploited by Klingon alts of Federation mains. How can I be so sure - well it just takes a search on the Character Database to find out. I too, have a problem with that. On two occasions I have belonged to a fleet that said it was creating a Fed-counterpart and almost overnight all the fleet bank funds and rare items magically disappeared, all the while certain members were constantly logging in and out - the signs were clear as to what they were doing.

As I have said before, I welcome any player that wants to immerse themselves in KDF. And for the record, as much as I sound like a voice in the desert, I have never said I speak for the KDF as a whole, merely that I know of a number of people that share my views.

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No, no we shouldn't, but there will be frustration I think, with us Oldbies when it comes to the newbies. its just how Klingons are, we get grumpy when we get long in the teeth :p

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I believe its a mixture of things. For so long, due to the lack of attention, lack of content, lack of... everything, the KDF has dwindled into a small mostly tight knit community that takes the KDF very seriously. Now with the advent of new things for the starting areas of the KDF and new players who know nothing of what we've been through, or how we've come to operate as an Empire, there's a clashing of old and new ways.

A clashing of old and new ways...
"the new warriors don't know how hard we had it"...
This actually sounds rather Klingon. Life imitating art?
How long did it take Worf to finally convince Alexander to become a "true" Klingon? Not to downplay the situation, but I find it remarkable that this was frequently an issue for the Klingons in the series.

Remarkable.

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The KDF should be embracing new players. We are all Trek fans here, lets help each other out. Plus, if the KDF numbers dwindle instead of growing, there won't be an increase in Dev resources to build the Empire up.

I'm pretty sure that's a good incentive on its own.

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The KDF should be embracing new players. We are all Trek fans here, lets help each other out. Plus, if the KDF numbers dwindle instead of growing, there won't be an increase in Dev resources to build the Empire up.

I'm pretty sure that's a good incentive on its own.

Awesome-ness Avatar! Yes, I welcome the growth in population, always have and always will. But, is it wrong to want it something I am feel pride in being part of?

Perhaps I should have named the thread something less provoking like - "Honor and the Klingon Empire". If anything, I would take "wannabees" back, it was said in haste.

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Whatever has become of the call to bring in new Klingon players? We have a sticky here inviting people to come try out the faction and teaching them. Has this effort stopped?

It would be a crying shame if, instead of embracing the new players, it becomes custom to ridicule and shun them. I'm happy to see that this was just "spur of the moment" in posting and hope that was made out of anger.

Are there possibilities to make an Academy fleet perhaps? If you see a player who seems a bit helpless, ping them. "Hey there! That didn't go too well, eh? Say, are you new to your ship/rank/the Klingon faction? There is this fleet we made for new folks to join in so we can show them the ropes a bit, wanna join perhaps? It would be fun to learn with others about...."

I think you'll find that most Klingon players are happy to have new Klingon warriors join the Empire. I don't think this one post is indicative of any such custom to ridicule and shame new players. Please don't judge all of us by the original posting of one player.

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After all, until the Klilngons get their own tutorial, every Klingon started out as a Fed, at least up to Lt 6.

If you think about it anyone who wants a level 51 klingon is not a wannabe if they put in that time to get one. Its not easy like fed side.
That's a good point. I might have a new goal in STO once Season 4 goes live :)

Edit: back to a previous point:
Actually I was told a whole different version of "What I was getting into" by the Devs with the Klingons. Peregrine (http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=217322) summed it up nicely and would insult him if I tried to match it. You should give it a read.
To premise: Peregrin_Falcon and I have a history that goes way back to our previous game, which was also started by Jack Emmert. We disagree on many things.

His thread's closed now, but I will say this: I learned a long time ago not to take developer posts at face value. Back in my previous game, a lot of us blamed developers (and one jackalope in particular) for "promises" they didn't keep. But in the end, I realized that nothing is promised until it's being shaken down on a public test server, because Production schedules and priorities change all the time. That's all I want to say on the subject, since it ended up causing a lot of flames and trolling on Peregrine's thread.

That's not to say I don't think the KDF should have their own, independent starting experience. I always thought it a little wonky to have an unlockable faction. I know that will be fixed in the (hopefully) near future. I know the devs also have plans to keep introducing more KDF content.

Perhaps it's thing like this that will increase overall interest in the KDF. I hope so - I think there's a lot of storytelling that can happen with the KDF! And if PvE interest in the KDF increase, PvP numbers should shore up too :) And then the vet players can embrace new KDF PvP players and show them the ropes ;)

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Let me get this straight, OP,

Because players aren't playing the way YOU want, it means the Klingon Empire is going down the tubes? When were you appointed Chancellor? If Fedballs want to make a KDF toon, that's their right. Just like it's their right to name their captains, ships, & Boffs anything they want (so long as it doesn't violate game policies). And they can certainly run PvP any way they see fit. STO is STILL just a game.

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You might want to read the rest of the thread to catch up on the discussion.

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After all, until the Klilngons get their own tutorial, every Klingon started out as a Fed, at least up to Lt 6.


That's a good point. I might have a new goal in STO once Season 4 goes live :)

Edit: back to a previous point:

To premise: Peregrin_Falcon and I have a history that goes way back to our previous game, which was also started by Jack Emmert. We disagree on many things.

His thread's closed now, but I will say this: I learned a long time ago not to take developer posts at face value. Back in my previous game, a lot of us blamed developers (and one jackalope in particular) for "promises" they didn't keep. But in the end, I realized that nothing is promised until it's being shaken down on a public test server, because Production schedules and priorities change all the time. That's all I want to say on the subject, since it ended up causing a lot of flames and trolling on Peregrine's thread.

That's not to say I don't think the KDF should have their own, independent starting experience. I always thought it a little wonky to have an unlockable faction. I know that will be fixed in the (hopefully) near future. I know the devs also have plans to keep introducing more KDF content.

Perhaps it's thing like this that will increase overall interest in the KDF. I hope so - I think there's a lot of storytelling that can happen with the KDF! And if PvE interest in the KDF increase, PvP numbers should shore up too :) And then the vet players can embrace new KDF PvP players and show them the ropes ;)

Thanks - though my original post (which you quoted) should in all fairness have got me a ...tion. I know that the devs are working hard and intimately are aware of their constraints and implementations. I myself am a developer so I should be far more understanding. Perhaps its the single greatest cause of my bias!

I have also repeatedly state in this thread that I would have said things differently, but it seems that people are simply latching onto what they want to.

I will repeat it again though for emphasis: DO I think that Cryptic are doing their best? Absolutely. Do I think they could do more? Of course, that's the purpose of challenging oneself and having dreams. Do I want Fed players rolling KDF? Yes, I have already stated that if they embrace the Klingon faction's player base and contribute to that experience I am all for it. Do I think that players have a right to name themselves and ships whatever they want? Of course - again I said that I made a rash decision in the initial posting. As long as they abide by the names that are not offensive to anyone.

Please - before the next person shoots me down, just take the time to read the whole thread. If I still offend you at the end of it, then I don't know that more can be said, and it would better if the moderators simply closed this thread. Maturity, is having the willingness to stand before your peers and admit ones mistalkes.

And one last word. I have repeated laid myself on the line for something I cherish - playing STO. I'm more than just a fan. How many others are willing to do the same?

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2.) I do have a problem with names or ships and characters when their object is intentionally offensive. I can't name-and-shame some of them, but some are rather graphic in nature. Yes, I'm afraid I have a problem with that.

I believe you can report these people, especially if their names violate the rules or are not PG-13

3.) There are certain unique things that the KDF have like the scanning of anomaly (yes, you all know the particular instances I am referring too!) that is exploited by Klingon alts of Federation mains. How can I be so sure - well it just takes a search on the Character Database to find out. I too, have a problem with that. On two occasions I have belonged to a fleet that said it was creating a Fed-counterpart and almost overnight all the fleet bank funds and rare items magically disappeared, all the while certain members were constantly logging in and out - the signs were clear as to what they were doing.

Actually, I find this being exploited mostly by gold farmers who don't speak English. I don't really do farming myself, but I WILL get in their face when I see them and annoy them by competing with them. You can tell who they are. They have names like "DHGUW" or "twyui", and they are all level 6. When you try to ask how they are doing, they reply with statements that don't make sense.

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Actually, I find this being exploited mostly by gold farmers who don't speak English. I don't really do farming myself, but I WILL get in their face when I see them and annoy them by competing with them. You can tell who they are. They have names like "DHGUW" or "twyui", and they are all level 6. When you try to ask how they are doing, they reply with statements that don't make sense.

I never could understand it myself. I tried it once and like after the 5th time got so bored I nearly fell asleep!

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Problem with the gold farmers, and the campers of that spot, generally have this magic ability to scan the anomaly before it even appears.

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Problem with the gold farmers, and the campers of that spot, generally have this magic ability to scan the anomaly before it even appears.

I've seen that to! And they appear to be entirely unselectable. I reported it and was told they would look into it. In the meantime I remained there faithfully honging my horn :).

I've grown a beard in the meanwhile, the Empire is crumbling around me, and my crew are looking at me as though I'm a deep-fried chicken-wing.

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drkfrontiers, I can appreciate where you're coming from.

Fair-Play is one of the guiding principles I aspire to. I agree that it's not right for people to abuse their teammates or fleetmates or otherwise ruin their game experience out of selfish behavior. And I don't want to see offensive names out there either.

That's game-wide, though. It's not just a KDF phenomenon. And, being the kind of game that it is, we are going to encounter selfish, childish, and boorish players.

Some of 'em were born to be Naausicans, if you get my drift. ;)

I think you're noticing it a lot more because the core KDF players were off on their own and got to be a close-knit community. You guys had to work together if you were going to level at all. Then the neighbors moved in and parked a broken-down B'Rel on the front lawn.

But some of the new neighbors might not be so bad once you get to know them better.

Maybe you could petition Wishstone to change the title of the thread, or just ask to have it closed down now that you've had your say?

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I think for the most part the OP was lamenting the lack of teamwork and pvp skills of the people he's seen come over to KDF from Federation. He has a reason to be upset about that, but of course the Fed game doesn't really teach this. You can play pretty much the whole game as a Fed solo. Then you try to pvp or do an STF and the player is completely unprepared for the difference. PvP is a team sport while the rest of the game (STFs and some fleet actions excepted) is basically a solo RPG. The skillset for these two types of play are very different and the types of players attracted to them are often different as well.

Of course, the KDF isn't just Klingons. Playing Klingon means (or should mean) using a Klingon name for your ship for the most part, and buying into the whole Bushido style culture of their race. But if you're Gorn things are different. If you're Orion or Nausicaan things are REALLY different, being more of a pirate style culture rather than based on honor and glorious death. And I don't think anyone really knows what it is to be a Lethean. Much of the KDF hasn't been fleshed out except for the shows and films portrayal of Klingons themselves. My hope is the devs kill two birds with one stone by devoting some of their Featured Episodes to these races to flesh them out and give more content directed at KDF, while still making faction-neutral content as they've decided to do with their limited resources.

I think one way to get players to better learn teamwork is to increase the rewards for fleet actions and pvp. Give people more of an incentive to do it early on as they level up. Season 4's addition of native voice chat should help a lot in this regard as well. You simply don't have time to teach by typing during the fighting. You do have time to say things to rally your team though.

The KDF players also have a role to play. They were so good at pvp (from being self-selected into the pvp faction then getting nothing to do for months except pvp) that they ran off a lot of people who didn't like being cannon fodder for months. I think the top tier of pvp players need to take it on themselves to become teachers so that they will have people to fight against besides themselves. PvP will die if they don't. New games will draw away the few hundred avid pvp'ers who are left, with few replacements prepared properly to join their ranks.

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Whatever has become of the call to bring in new Klingon players? We have a sticky here inviting people to come try out the faction and teaching them. Has this effort stopped?

It would be a crying shame if, instead of embracing the new players, it becomes custom to ridicule and shun them. I'm happy to see that this was just "spur of the moment" in posting and hope that was made out of anger.

Are there possibilities to make an Academy fleet perhaps? If you see a player who seems a bit helpless, ping them. "Hey there! That didn't go too well, eh? Say, are you new to your ship/rank/the Klingon faction? There is this fleet we made for new folks to join in so we can show them the ropes a bit, wanna join perhaps? It would be fun to learn with others about...."

Most of the KDF players would welcome any new members to the Empire and even try to show them the ropes. Even the OP had admitted to being a bit too...passionate and has since voiced his opinion in a more calm fashion.

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My KDF characters are all members of an KDF offshoot of my Fed fleet, which basically has about 1% of the active playing that the Fed side does. Only a small percentage of the Fed fleet has KDF characters, and they're only rarely on at the same time. My guess is a lot of Fed fleets do the same rather than have their members go off and join some other fleet unrelated to their own. This doesn't help KDF characters team up much. Maybe we need a better way to ally fleets so that we get some critical mass of players in the same chat.

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What happened to the really great Klingon players? Those guys you knew were watching your back. PvP was all about tactics in those days when warriors were proud of naming their ships "Yowvl' atleth" and "Qlb vo' Hegh". Our lineage and proud glory is overshadowed by the "Daisies Tugboat's" or some other slanderous insult to a ship of the empire, by Feds rolling a KDF for the fun-of it, and not caring about the faction at all.

This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Atari Community Rules and Policies (http://forums.startrekonline.com/announcement.php?f=118&a=5) ~<GM Jahia>
PvP enthusiasts don't grow on trees. PvPers will alway be a small group of players, and the only reason why the KDF was full of PvPers is because PvP was all it got. Now it got more, making it interesting for more players. Which brings all kinds of people to it. And that includes good as bad. It's the nature of things, I suppose.

That is overall a good thing. Even for PvP. Because it means that both sides are more balanced in skill levels, and the myth of the KDF OPness will eventually be forgotten, and only PvP fleets and their premades will be "OP".

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There's always more crime in the city than in the country side because there's more people.

This thread is nothing but a good sign that the KDF population is growing.

A very good thing, despite anything bad that may come to someone's PvP match, one anomaly somewhere that is perma farmed, or an offensive ship name.

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I'm a Klingon - I'm already ostracized.

Okay, so.... You're a Klingon heh,

I suppose that makes me a Vulcan then......
How many fingers do I have up?

P.S.
I'm NOT REALLY a Vulcan, (I only PLAY one in the GAME) and I'm NOT giving you the Vulcan salute either :D

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Well yes, the lack of Player-Skills on KDF side is the downside of the increasing player numbers. But I definitly prefer it the way it is.

Reasons for that a prety simple: In the "old days" there was nothing but PVP, the usual "fed-ball"-fed on KDF side had given up leveling before hitting Commander or had learned real tactis (=became a "good player") when he hit Commander because of simply doing PVP again and again.

Now there are a. other ways to level and b. there isnt any low-level pvp left, so newer KDF players simply CANT learn2play the way we did and go with what is closest to "work" on fed side... wich is a Fed-ball for them.

The alternative is to look out and build groups BEFORE going into a PVP map, but sadly, at last for me, thats harder then it sounds...

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I had avoided this topic because I'm a firm believer in letting posts who's potential for harm or outrage outweighs any good they may bring find their way to the oblivion of page2 and beyond, but I make this response now while this post is not just inexplicably still on page 1, but at the top of the forum.

Please, let this post fade away. The original poster has already conceded that, while his sentiment was genuine, his words were poorly chosen and did not do well to convey them. He has already apologized publicly for it so no response you make to him will have any additional effect and truly, no additional effect should be expected.

But what about other arguments that can be made extoling the virtues of a population increase? Lovely, they should be given a voice on any of the other positive threads on this forum, I think there are two threads welcoming new KDF players on the front page still.

What if you want to say a few words in support of the original poster? Well, that's cool, it's not like he doesn't have some valid points and there are good things to say in favor of a smaller and more united faction, please find or make a less inflamatory thread to do it in.

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There's always more crime in the city than in the country side because there's more people.

This thread is nothing but a good sign that the KDF population is growing.

A very good thing, despite anything bad that may come to someone's PvP match, one anomaly somewhere that is perma farmed, or an offensive ship name.

I think a agree with you - there are alot more ships in sector space even when I'm grinding my teeth at the "Big Bertha's" and "Honk if your behind me" ships :)

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I had avoided this topic because I'm a firm believer in letting posts who's potential for harm or outrage outweighs any good they may bring find their way to the oblivion of page2 and beyond, but I make this response now while this post is not just inexplicably still on page 1, but at the top of the forum.

Please, let this post fade away. The original poster has already conceded that, while his sentiment was genuine, his words were poorly chosen and did not do well to convey them. He has already apologized publicly for it so no response you make to him will have any additional effect and truly, no additional effect should be expected.

But what about other arguments that can be made extoling the virtues of a population increase? Lovely, they should be given a voice on any of the other positive threads on this forum, I think there are two threads welcoming new KDF players on the front page still.

What if you want to say a few words in support of the original poster? Well, that's cool, it's not like he doesn't have some valid points and there are good things to say in favor of a smaller and more united faction, please find or make a less inflamatory thread to do it in.

Thanks Jermbot - my sentiment exactly! Lets talk about how we (esp. me) can make the KDF the best faction yet, and lets do it on another thread. I would appreciate it if this one was closed :)

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. I would appreciate it if this one was closed :)
Looking forward to the new thread then. :)