Cosmetic Ship Effects, please let us have them independent of the items

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I would like for cosmetic effects caused by things like the borg set or the Reman Covariant shield to be available independent of the items that currently grant them. It would be preferable to have these as options unlocked through the obtainment of these sought after items or sets but if the only way to do this is to just open them up to all that would be better than having to lose the cosmetic effect to optimization.

tl;dr version. Don't take away my Reman Shield effect just cause I need the aegis set! My ship looks so awesome with the Reman Shield effect!

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I'd fully support this, one of the few good aspects of the character customisation feature in LOTRO. Drop equipment into your wardrobe (just a copy, not the actual item) then you can then wear it as a cosmetic item. Better yet it's account wide.

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you'll just start the pvp whiners again, like when we asked for the colour change for weapons to remain available, or better yet clientside. "oh but i dont know what they are shooting at me :("

they will just cry they dont know what weapons to use against your setup, and that will be the end of that. or at least it better unless they allow us our weapon colour change :mad:

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you'll just start the pvp whiners again, like when we asked for the colour change for weapons to remain available, or better yet clientside. "oh but i dont know what they are shooting at me :("

they will just cry they dont know what weapons to use against your setup, and that will be the end of that. or at least it better unless they allow us our weapon colour change :mad:

Why would they? Weapons is one thing, but set visuals is quite another.
You can already turn off the visuals of all sets/items in the game so I don't see how having purely cosmetic visuals would be any different than that in terms of PvP.

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Now see... I'm the exact opposite. If you like the Reman shield look so much then stick with it. The Aegis set may perform better but it just doesn't have that look. I'm running the Reman shields and don't think I'll ever give them up. It gives visual aesthetics some weight when people are doing a buildout.

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Yeah, those probably won't be set or available for cosmetic reasons because of the concern "Wolf in sheep's clothing" its why the group is so resistant making some ships T5 or greater, and making some items in game from the tv/movies.

Method to the madness folks.

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I wouldn't mind either way on this. I just wish that when I get hit, the visuals for my borg set didn't start to show anyway, even though they are disabled.

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I wouldn't mind either way on this. I just wish that when I get hit, the visuals for my borg set didn't start to show anyway, even though they are disabled.

Heh. I guess I'm the complete opposite. I really like the Borg 'spaz out'. Makes me feel like my Ancile is more like the Enterprise towards the end of Next Generation - almost sentient herself and doing her own part to protect herself and her crew. I don't show the Borg equipment, but I do like the effects.

I wouldn't mind unbound cosmetic effects, but I do think they should be restricted to you owning the item or completing an achievement. The thought of eighty Miranda class cruisers in full Borg EVERYWHERE I go is horrifying.

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I would like for cosmetic effects caused by things like the borg set or the Reman Covariant shield to be available independent of the items that currently grant them. It would be preferable to have these as options unlocked through the obtainment of these sought after items or sets but if the only way to do this is to just open them up to all that would be better than having to lose the cosmetic effect to optimization.

tl;dr version. Don't take away my Reman Shield effect just cause I need the aegis set! My ship looks so awesome with the Reman Shield effect!

To be honest, I always felt that the effects on a ships hull should come from the consoles you have equiped (not the shields you have). That way players could truely customise the way thier ship looks. I'd always hoping that 'all' the engines in the game would have different impulse effects as well, the same as all the deflector dishes (maybe one day this will be possable to have 4-5 basic deflector textures linked to the deflector you have installed.

I'm not sure I like the idea of been able to have an item effect without having the item installed. But, I do like the idea of having ship costume componants unlocked by content, for example special bridge modules, new engine models and the like.

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I think the issue is with mainly pvp. It is usually the case that your class that gives some idea what you wil be doing in pvp. Whereas, with ship combat a great deal of it is based on your shields and the like.

Though, normal covarient and regenerative shields etc, don't have different effects so far as I'm aware, so how do players know the difference unless they give their opponent a shot anyway? I think the argument holds up less well due to the fact you can disable the effects and therefore make them look like standard gear anyway.

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I think the issue is with mainly pvp. It is usually the case that your class that gives some idea what you wil be doing in pvp. Whereas, with ship combat a great deal of it is based on your shields and the like.

Though, normal covarient and regenerative shields etc, don't have different effects so far as I'm aware, so how do players know the difference unless they give their opponent a shot anyway? I think the argument holds up less well due to the fact you can disable the effects and therefore make them look like standard gear anyway.

The more I think about how PvP effects PvE play, looks and gear, the less concerned I am about whether they can tell a Miranda from a Negh'var. They are there to fight the person behind the avatar, not the avatar. If they can't deal with the looks of the avatar being deceptive then they shouldn't be getting into the bloody ring. If they truly want balance for making an equal fight then they need to build the exact same characters with the same skills, ships and gear. :)

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The more I think about how PvP effects PvE play, looks and gear, the less concerned I am about whether they can tell a Miranda from a Negh'var. They are there to fight the person behind the avatar, not the avatar. If they can't deal with the looks of the avatar being deceptive then they shouldn't be getting into the bloody ring. If they truly want balance for making an equal fight then they need to build the exact same characters with the same skills, ships and gear. :)

but unfortunately cryptic likes to listen to the PvP community. i got a "holiday" last time there was something that would be fine for PvE, but the PvP community disagreed :)

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The PvP bogeyman's been picking on someone:D.

Right now you can turn the shield indicator/ring effect on or off. What you see in that case has no effect on what I see during PvP. I say you should be able to select options to make it look like you are shooting super soakers as long as I see the actual weapon being used on my screen. I don't see any issues, from a PvP stand point, with the bits and pieces showing as long as the general feel of the ship remains the same (i.e. you can still tell it's a cruiser). It would probably be important to have at least acquired the item needed to "unlock" that appearance but that's neither here no there. Maybe they can include an option while they are at it to let people decide whether or not they see your customizations?

I generally disagree with the idea of putting items or skills into a game that act differently between PvE and PvP but I don't see why you can't have all the customization you want, just disable anything game breaking during PvP. Anyone who doesn't care about PvP in the first place probably wouldn't mind losing there effects since they wouldn't engage in it in the first place.

At any rate, don't forget to check under the bed tonight, lol.

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As Steve mention and I agree: If they introduce visual effects apart from equipped items, then just have those effects disable upon entering a PvP instance. PvPers keep their gear effects, PvErs get their eye candy.

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As Steve mention and I agree: If they introduce visual effects apart from equipped items, then just have those effects disable upon entering a PvP instance. PvPers keep their gear effects, PvErs get their eye candy.

i would be more than happy with that, but they refused that suggestion before over weapon colours, so dont think they will go for it here either somehow

i like to PvP, not a hardcore fanatic of it though, but i read my combat log usually to see what someone is hitting me with and how much for. or what damage they are mitigating of mine. so i didnt really see the need to disable the cosmetic weapon changes. same deal here, i dont see the need to disable them totally, just make it client side. that way you can fire pretty pink phasers and have the aegis shield effect while equipping borg shields, and noone else sees what you do.

but again, client side effects seem to be a no no...