Teir 5 k'tinga

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Will we ever see the t5 k'tinga in our lineup it has been far too long this ship is a legand and should be in the t5 line up

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I don't know about Tier5... I mean, it would be nice/cool/AWESOME, no doubt, but the history behind the ship is that it was an earlier vessel. I think you would see more Bortas and Vorcha than you would K'Tinga. Sad, but there ya have it.

I recall there were more variants/versions for SFC than we have here. I don't know how many are canon or what can be added, but I know some have already been seen so there is precedent.

Possible enhancements that bridge the gap between the D-7/K'tinga and the Vor'Cha:

D-9 battle cruiser
D-20 battle cruiser
L-6 Frigate

There's a webpage here:
http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/

The quick and dirty diagrams for Klingon ships on that page is here:
http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/klingons/klingons.html

Now, I admit some of those look like pure speculation and fan creations... But the D-9, D-20, L-6 all share the same spirit as the D-7/K'tinga and if we could get some more ships in between.

Heck, I'd rather have more tiers for STO, personally! More variations, more combinations, etc.

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I don't know about Tier5... I mean, it would be nice/cool/AWESOME, no doubt, but the history behind the ship is that it was an earlier vessel. I think you would see more Bortas and Vorcha than you would K'Tinga. Sad, but there ya have it.

I recall there were more variants/versions for SFC than we have here. I don't know how many are canon or what can be added, but I know some have already been seen so there is precedent.

Possible enhancements that bridge the gap between the D-7/K'tinga and the Vor'Cha:

D-9 battle cruiser
D-20 battle cruiser
L-6 Frigate

There's a webpage here:
http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/

The quick and dirty diagrams for Klingon ships on that page is here:
http://home.comcast.net/~ststcsolda/klingons/klingons.html

Now, I admit some of those look like pure speculation and fan creations... But the D-9, D-20, L-6 all share the same spirit as the D-7/K'tinga and if we could get some more ships in between.

Heck, I'd rather have more tiers for STO, personally! More variations, more combinations, etc.

Sorry, but Cryptic can't use any of those...

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Sorry, but Cryptic can't use any of those...

Why not? They are making up new ships. They had "design the next ship" contests here on the forum. Granted it was from before I got here... They don't have to use those exact ideas, but you can still take the same idea of modifying a D-7 and improving it, varrying the looks, etc.

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Why not? They are making up new ships. They had "design the next ship" contests here on the forum. Granted it was from before I got here... They don't have to use those exact ideas, but you can still take the same idea of modifying a D-7 and improving it, varrying the looks, etc.

*SIGH* I'm getting tired of having the same discussion the 30th time.
They have said they won't do any of those contests any more thanks to the way the people behaved the last time around.
And they have explicitly said they can't use material from fans and they have also explicitly said they can't use material from other game companies.

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for some reason cpt logan doesn't feel the kdf need more t5 ships.
he said so twice in his interview lately.
odd because the feds have alot more t5 ships than the kdf. They seem to need more than we do. i don't get it.

so there will be no more ships coming for a while. Just fixes to old ones.

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for some reason cpt logan doesn't feel the kdf need more t5 ships.
he said so twice in his interview lately.
odd because the feds have alot more t5 ships than the kdf. They seem to need more than we do. i don't get it.

so there will be no more ships coming for a while. Just fixes to old ones.

They should just close this subforum. Most lvl to t5 in a blink of an eye since you start at lvl 21.

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Will we ever see the t5 k'tinga in our lineup it has been far too long this ship is a legand and should be in the t5 line up

The KDF was promised a T5 K't'inga Retrofit back when they were doing the Vor'Cha and B'rel Retrofits, but it never appeared and any discussion of it in the forums was met with resounding silence from the devs despite being brought up time and again since . Link to the original announcement here - http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1966

The only thing we saw was the release of the ancient D4 design they labeled as the Koro'tinga built as a T3 ship. :( Considering that the devs openly admitted back then that they didn't even know the difference between a D7 and a K'tinga, I'm not really shocked.

I'd love to get a T5 K'tinga in game, I and others have said over and over we'd be willing to drop significant amounts of real cash to get a good flexible design released ....but I've given up hopes of that. If it ever appears I'll celebrate! :D

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the ktinga should have been the kdf's tier 1 ship, with same stats as the miranda. if a newer design that's intended to look like a ship designer after the ktinga, but before the vorcha, kind of like a kdf ambassador class, was the tier 3 cruiser from the start the kdf would have a tier 5 refit of it by now with excelsior stats.

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A T5 "K't'inga" doesn't need to be a K't'inga retrofit per se - remember the K't'inga is a late-23rd century ship whose hull is nearly identical to the earlier D-4 and D-7 classes. Clearly the Klingons have some emotional attachment to that design...

Call it a Koro't'inga retrofit perhaps, but it's not inherently any more odd than the Defiant or Intrepid retrofits on the Fed side.

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the K'T'inga is ancient, its a wonder they havent added the D7s or D5s yet!

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why not take the existing design as is and enlarge it by about 2/3rds? the hull will then be able to incorporate a larger matter/antimatter intermix reactor and IMpulse drive, as well as more powerful disruptor cannons and shields

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Probably not likely, for the same reason why we will never see a T5 Constitution - CBS won't let Cryptic do it (partly because of the K't'inga/D7's age).

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It's a tricky subject. Because we have a tier 5 Excelsior, and the K'tinga's not more than a few years older at the most, and there was an implied parity between the two classes on several occasions. But all in all, I'd be for an enlarged slightly modernized version, with Excelsior BO layout, with hull strength and turn rate somewhere between Raptor and Vor'cha perhaps.

But having *the* K'tigna at tier 5 I don't think'd work. I'm pretty sure both the Hegh'ta and Qin are bigger. Having a cruiser smaller than both the bird of prey and escort available at tier 5 would be madness. What could work, is if it was an escort. Same loadout as the MVAM or the AE (preferable so's not to tread on bop toes) for example. This'd solve the disparity in size handily, and it'd be in line with the existing prescedent of old desins still being tier 5 material. And in all honesty, they did seem pretty Escorty in many appearances in the 24th Century, much more agile than the lumbering Qo'nos One in Undiscovered Country (although they had just been donkey punched with a photon or two....).

Oddly, I've been enjoying the K'tinga a lot with my new toon, I spent this morning tearing through Fed players like it weren't no thing.

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Probably not likely, for the same reason why we will never see a T5 Constitution - CBS won't let Cryptic do it (partly because of the K't'inga/D7's age).

I seriously doubt they would have announced it in August 2010 when they couldn't do it.
And let's not forget the D7 and K't'inga are actually two different ships, but the big joke is we know Cryptic doesn't know that.

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I seriously doubt they would have announced it in August 2010 when they couldn't do it.
And let's not forget the D7 and K't'inga are actually two different ships, but the big joke is we know Cryptic doesn't know that.

Indeed, my K'tinga is using the D7 model so I could enjoy the blood red on grey hull Sagitarius paintwork without all those plates hiding it.

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why not take the existing design as is and enlarge it by about 2/3rds? the hull will then be able to incorporate a larger matter/antimatter intermix reactor and IMpulse drive, as well as more powerful disruptor cannons and shields

Tech gets smaller over the years not bigger.

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Tech gets smaller over the years not bigger.

I always wondered why each successive Enteprise was.... larger? Wait, what? :p

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Not unlike the Excelsior and Miranda class the K't'inga was extremely versatile, and survived almost a century of use.

I would love to see a K't'inga class crusier @ T5 but I doubt it will happen.

Imagine pvp battles with retrofit or upgraded models of excelsior and k't'inga class going at it, would be classic.

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I seriously doubt they would have announced it in August 2010 when they couldn't do it.
And let's not forget the D7 and K't'inga are actually two different ships, but the big joke is we know Cryptic doesn't know that.

Have we ever heard the K't'inga being referred to by name in any of the series or films? If not, for all we know, the D7 and K't'inga *are* the same ship (the EU and other supplementary materials are considered "soft cannon" at best - meaning they are subject to change at a writer's whim). The only real difference between the two is extra detailing on the K't'inga.

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Have we ever heard the K't'inga being referred to by name in any of the series or films? If not, for all we know, the D7 and K't'inga *are* the same ship (the EU and other supplementary materials are considered "soft cannon" at best - meaning they are subject to change at a writer's whim). The only real difference between the two is extra detailing on the K't'inga.

Have you ever heard of the Cheyenne class in any of the series?
No?
But it's still in the game.

There's also the detail that Mike Sussman explicitly said that f he had known the SFX guys of Voyager would use the K't'inga model he'd have replaced D7 with K't'inga.

And I honestly hope you're joking that the only difference between the D7 and the K't'inga is "extra detail" because the shapes of the two ships are actually not the same.:confused:

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Have you ever heard of the Cheyenne class in any of the series?
No?
But it's still in the game.

There's also the detail that Mike Sussman explicitly said that f he had known the SFX guys of Voyager would use the K't'inga model he'd have replaced D7 with K't'inga.

And I honestly hope you're joking that the only difference between the D7 and the K't'inga is "extra detail" because the shapes of the two ships are actually not the same.:confused:

Indeed, if you swap between K'tinga and D7 hulls there are differences, not large ones, but as significant as the difference between TOS Connie and Film Connie for example. And let's not forget all the Miranda variants we've seen, but one crazy dish mounting on top instead of the roll bar and it's a Soyuz for some reason.

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Indeed, if you swap between K'tinga and D7 hulls there are differences, not large ones, but as significant as the difference between TOS Connie and Film Connie for example.


And also we've seen a modern effects D7 in the DS9 Tribble episode and they didn't just reuse a K't'inga, instead they carefull reconstructed...the D7 from TOS.


And let's not forget all the Miranda variants we've seen, but one crazy dish mounting on top instead of the roll bar and it's a Soyuz for some reason.

Not quite.
The model with the dishes (no pun intended) was the Saratoga

http://www.starshipdatalink.net/starships/miranda.html

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080912213251/memoryalpha/en/images/b/b6/Uss_saratoga_2367_fore.jpg

while the one with the big sensor arrays (I still don't get why people think those are some kind of Star Wars Turbo Lazzer Gunz, probably read that on DITL in the no-canon section) was the Soyuz, that also had a TOS Connie style bridge module and an extended rear hull.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080911000211/memoryalpha/en/images/5/57/USS_Bozeman%2C_aft.jpg

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I'm all for it, as long as its a warship designed to be a warship and not nerfed at the last minute because the feds feel its too strong.........

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I'm all for it, as long as its a warship designed to be a warship and not nerfed at the last minute because the feds feel its too strong.........I say that the retrofit of K'tinga come with a weapon console that give a similar weapon attack as the Galaxy-X dreadnought's spinal phaser lance. In DS9 battle scenes you often see the K'tinga firing a disruptor beam from where its torpedo port should be. This is also usable on battle cruisers. So you can also use it on Vor'cha that also have a 'large drisruptor' at its bow. Same for Negh'Var (though its most powerful disruptor *duo* are underside for the flagship in the DS9, some versions of the ship has a weapon port at the bow?)

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I say that the retrofit of K'tinga come with a weapon console that give a similar weapon attack as the Galaxy-X dreadnought's spinal phaser lance. In DS9 battle scenes you often see the K'tinga firing a disruptor beam from where its torpedo port should be. This is also usable on battle cruisers. So you can also use it on Vor'cha that also have a 'large drisruptor' at its bow. Same for Negh'Var (though its most powerful disruptor *duo* are underside for the flagship in the DS9, some versions of the ship has a weapon port at the bow?)

The red mystery beam they never explained.
Yeah that's an odd one.
Either they thought it meant something or the FX guys just messed it up because they were moving towards the "every ship fires all its weapons from the forward point fo the ship" concept that seemed to dominate the later seasons of DS9.
Anyway it's a good question what exactly that thing is but IMO it's a disruptor.

Red Mystery Beam on K't'inga:
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x02/wayofwarrior2_578.jpg

Red Disruptor Beam in Star Trek VI:
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4274/vlcsnap2011070318h38m40.png
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4817/vlcsnap2011070318h38m46.png

Red Disruptor Beam in DS9 "Honor Among Thieves":
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/6x15/honoramongthieves_300.jpg

But perhaps it would be an interesting addition if the T5 K't'ing came with its own unique weapon that can be either slotted or removed based on your personal preference like the Quads or the Bioneural Torp.:)

The forward gun on the Vor'cha was a bit ambigious in its own way as it could one-shot a K'vort without shields in TNG "Redemption" where it was a blue blob

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081004051135/memoryalpha/en/images/1/13/IKS_Bortas_firing_disruptor_cannon.jpg

while on DS9 it was sometimes rather unimpressive (and seemingly the only weapon the 480 meter warship had).

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080824061646/memoryalpha/en/images/b/b0/Vor%27cha_firing_forward_disruptor.jpg

On the Negh'var it's a good question what that was, it could have been a pair of mighty torpedoes
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/6/67/IKS_NeghVar_attack.jpg
or really big disruptor pulses, even though the effect looked different from the pulses the BoPs fired in "Way of the Warrior" while the mobile starbase mega Negh'var from "Shattered Mirror" fired (again rather unimpressive) beams from those points.:confused:

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In order for The Red beam of Mystery to be a swapible console the K'Tinga would have to be a T4 ship.
WOuldn;t hurt my feelings, though I would like a warfare bend to its direction.

Commander Tactical
LTC Engineer
LT Engineer
LT Sci
LT Tac

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A T5 "K't'inga" doesn't need to be a K't'inga retrofit per se - remember the K't'inga is a late-23rd century ship whose hull is nearly identical to the earlier D-4 and D-7 classes. Clearly the Klingons have some emotional attachment to that design...

Call it a Koro't'inga retrofit perhaps, but it's not inherently any more odd than the Defiant or Intrepid retrofits on the Fed side.

I have to say that I believe this is a solution that could be used to get around the T-5 K'Tinga AND T-5 Connie issue.

And you don't have to make them fight the role of a cruiser, either.

I for one would love to have a T-5 ship with a modern look / style of a K'Tinga and have THAT ship be a replacement for my current T-5 raptor.

I'd LOVE that.

Same for the Connie end ... I'd be happy with a new escort over there that has the feel of the modern look / style of the ole Constitution ... which is why I feel they messed up with the Exeter and hoping they don't make that mistake again on our KDF side.

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In order for The Red beam of Mystery to be a swapible console the K'Tinga would have to be a T4 ship.
WOuldn;t hurt my feelings, though I would like a warfare bend to its direction.

Commander Tactical
LTC Engineer
LT Engineer
LT Sci
LT Tac
The disruptor "lance" or "bow cannon" doesn't have to be red. But I see having the Ktinga variant be T4 make sense in order to allow this disruptor weapon be usable by other battle cruisers.

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In order for The Red beam of Mystery to be a swapible console the K'Tinga would have to be a T4 ship.
WOuldn;t hurt my feelings, though I would like a warfare bend to its direction.

Commander Tactical
LTC Engineer
LT Engineer
LT Sci
LT Tac

Why does it have to be T4?
Some T4 ships have special consoles while some have unque weapons, same at T3.
I believe it's not impossible for a T5 ship to have a special weapon, one of them just has to be the first.;)

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Why does it have to be T4?
Some T4 ships have special consoles while some have unque weapons, same at T3.
I believe it's not impossible for a T5 ship to have a special weapon, one of them just has to be the first.;)

If one wished to move the special console to another vessel under the current console mechanics, would it not have to be a T4 vessel/console?
Unless of course they make it useable on all battle Cruisers, which would work too.

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If one wished to move the special console to another vessel under the current console mechanics, would it not have to be a T4 vessel/console?
Unless of course they make it useable on all battle Cruisers, which would work too.

If there's one thing that's rue fro this game then that change is constant.
They're surprising us with their ideas, so let's surprise them with an idea of our own.:)

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And also we've seen a modern effects D7 in the DS9 Tribble episode and they didn't just reuse a K't'inga, instead they carefull reconstructed...the D7 from TOS.



Not quite.
The model with the dishes (no pun intended) was the Saratoga

http://www.starshipdatalink.net/starships/miranda.html

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080912213251/memoryalpha/en/images/b/b6/Uss_saratoga_2367_fore.jpg

while the one with the big sensor arrays (I still don't get why people think those are some kind of Star Wars Turbo Lazzer Gunz, probably read that on DITL in the no-canon section) was the Soyuz, that also had a TOS Connie style bridge module and an extended rear hull.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080911000211/memoryalpha/en/images/5/57/USS_Bozeman%2C_aft.jpg

I didn't mean the USS Saratoga, I meant the USS Bozeman that comes out of a temporal rift and crashes into the Enteprise like Deanna's driving it or something in "Cause and Effect". It's explicitly stated as being Soyuz class, and that the class is retired. And is the bottom pic. :p

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I didn't mean the USS Saratoga, I meant the USS Bozeman that comes out of a temporal rift and crashes into the Enteprise like Deanna's driving it or something in "Cause and Effect". It's explicitly stated as being Soyuz class, and that the class is retired. And is the bottom pic. :p

b...bu...but...but the Bozeman has no dish

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I don't care what it looks like or what it is called in order to sell it for T5. As long I can take it to the Ship Tailor and choose a polished K't'inga ship costume for my BG to fly it around. It's her House's flagship. I also wouldn't object to the Projected Stasis Field (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Projected_stasis_field) the Klingons had in TAS. :cool:

EDIT for link.

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I don't care what it looks like or what it is called in order to sell it for T5. As long I can take it to the Ship Tailor and choose a polished K't'inga ship costume for my BG to fly it around. It's her House's flagship. I also wouldn't object to the Projected Stasis Field (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Projected_stasis_field) the Klingons had in TAS. :cool:


^ THIS! ^

I'm ready... sign me up for one! :D

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Have we ever heard the K't'inga being referred to by name in any of the series or films? If not, for all we know, the D7 and K't'inga *are* the same ship (the EU and other supplementary materials are considered "soft cannon" at best - meaning they are subject to change at a writer's whim). The only real difference between the two is extra detailing on the K't'inga.

Well one recent novel treats them as the same class.

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The K't'inga-class heavy cruiser entered the vernacular through the mass-market novelization of Star Trek The Motion Picture by Gene Roddenberry. As well as the official blueprint set issued through Pocket Books in 1979 to promote the films premiere. Blueprints which were approved and carry Roddenberry's signature. I own first editions of both and, of course, am more than happy to accept those resources. Other player's have the choice to - an likely will - reject the information.

The cruiser's were never named by class in the TMP itself. Though the Klingon Captain in that film identified his own command as Klingon Cruiser Amar. Identifying the ship during its first appearance in TNG was handled in exactly the same way. No ship class. Just the individual name, T'Ong. However, it's well established that footage of the TMP model was actually from TMP. So the starship is one and same type. Coincidentally, every television appearance through Voyager never identified any Klingon starships as K't'inga at all.

The TOS Klingon cruiser seen in DS9's Trials and Tribble-ations at K-7 was actually named D7 in the story. That is the first time it was said on film/video.

IMO, K't'inga cruisers exist. And they exist as a separate class of starship from the D-7.

Regarding STO, I was disappointed that the TOS D-7 wasn't offered as Tier 1 to parallel the TOS Constitution. With the K't'inga at Tier 2. Luckily for us, both are Tier 3 and missed the the axe of content below Tier 3. Else it would in limbo with the T1 B'rel.

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Well one recent novel treats them as the same class.

Honest question:
which one?

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b...bu...but...but the Bozeman has no dish

Admittedly my memory of it was hazy, I thought the pointy bit was the center of a TOS style dish. It appears more something for erm.... stabbing.... space?:confused:

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Will we ever see the t5 k'tinga in our lineup it has been far too long this ship is a legand and should be in the t5 line up

no, just like the fed t5 connie wish... no wolf in sheep's clothing.

lets keep the current ships in the sets that they are. it is not broke, so lets no fix it team. No difference there between us wishing that and the fed side wanting the connie in the same position. THey didnt get it, so I do not see, nor would I agree with that ship being a T5 either.

I be happy just to see the other refits that we were promised already for F2P...

Hegta refit...
Negh refit...

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no, just like the fed t5 connie wish... no wolf in sheep's clothing.

lets keep the current ships in the sets that they are. it is not broke, so lets no fix it team. No difference there between us wishing that and the fed side wanting the connie in the same position. THey didnt get it, so I do not see, nor would I agree with that ship being a T5 either.

I be happy just to see the other refits that we were promised already for F2P...

Hegta refit...
Negh refit...

I've got to humbly disagree here, first, as in this link http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1966 we were told we'd get it.

Second, wolf in sheep's clothing just isn't a factor. If we're at tier 5 and we see an Excelsior or Nebula, we generally expect a tier 5 one as far as I know, personally I'd be shocked to encounter the tier 3 one. The same is true of the B'rel.

Third, there is a fundamental difference between tier 5 K't'inga and tier 5 connie, the K't'inga wasn't retired like the Connie was and we saw it opperating as late as the Dominion war. It's contemporary with the Excelsior and B'rel, and both of those have tier 5 versions. I don't think "but they can't have a tier 5 connie" is a good way to go about things at all, becasue where do you draw the line? Axe MVAM and carriers too because they're not both factions?

To summarize, there's clear justification for a tier 5 K't'inga, we were told we'd get one, and the only real issue would be how to implement it. Raptor weapon/console scheme, hull/shields and manouverability, Excelsior bof loadout perhaps. I think that'd cover it pretty well.

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I've got to humbly disagree here, first, as in this link http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1966 we were told we'd get it.

Second, wolf in sheep's clothing just isn't a factor. If we're at tier 5 and we see an Excelsior or Nebula, we generally expect a tier 5 one as far as I know, personally I'd be shocked to encounter the tier 3 one. The same is true of the B'rel.

Third, there is a fundamental difference between tier 5 K't'inga and tier 5 connie, the K't'inga wasn't retired like the Connie was and we saw it opperating as late as the Dominion war. It's contemporary with the Excelsior and B'rel, and both of those have tier 5 versions. I don't think "but they can't have a tier 5 connie" is a good way to go about things at all, becasue where do you draw the line? Axe MVAM and carriers too because they're not both factions?

To summarize, there's clear justification for a tier 5 K't'inga, we were told we'd get one, and the only real issue would be how to implement it. Raptor weapon/console scheme, hull/shields and manouverability, Excelsior bof loadout perhaps. I think that'd cover it pretty well.


Hey that is cool you disagree.
And Yes, wolf in sheep clothing is relivant. Like that or not it is the reason the past few refits were shot down.

We are Klingons, we been "told" a lot of things, not many delievered on, simple due to a personpower issue. Poor reason to be sure, but, hey there it is.

And eb, dont confuse TV with InGame. Just because I show you a studabaker care that can be driven around today, does not mean it will ever match the newest Corvette its parked next too. Comparing oranges and apples there.

The other ships you mention are already in game at their respective levels. Cryptic has done a "decent" job filling in some gaps, terrible at some others, spectacular on still others. No diff then any other company. The person who made that promise did not state it as a promise, they stated it as what they would like to "see". There is a controller and CBS too, and just as other ships of this kind have been shot down, T3 and under, I just do not see them going for a T5 K refit as with the Vorcha moved from t4 to t5 refit and probably one the best overall cruisers of the game.

Still I would rather see them expend that energy to other things already promised that I mentioned, then I would for them to do a entire ship refit/balance. Still, just to be honest Eb, they seem to be on this "refit" kick, they may just make a T5 K. Which, if they do, i agree it should have the Excel BO layout.

Still, I do not see them going for it.

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Hey that is cool you disagree.
And Yes, wolf in sheep clothing is relivant. Like that or not it is the reason the past few refits were shot down.

We are Klingons, we been "told" a lot of things, not many delievered on, simple due to a personpower issue. Poor reason to be sure, but, hey there it is.

And eb, dont confuse TV with InGame. Just because I show you a studabaker care that can be driven around today, does not mean it will ever match the newest Corvette its parked next too. Comparing oranges and apples there.

The other ships you mention are already in game at their respective levels. Cryptic has done a "decent" job filling in some gaps, terrible at some others, spectacular on still others. No diff then any other company. The person who made that promise did not state it as a promise, they stated it as what they would like to "see". There is a controller and CBS too, and just as other ships of this kind have been shot down, T3 and under, I just do not see them going for a T5 K refit as with the Vorcha moved from t4 to t5 refit and probably one the best overall cruisers of the game.

Still I would rather see them expend that energy to other things already promised that I mentioned, then I would for them to do a entire ship refit/balance. Still, just to be honest Eb, they seem to be on this "refit" kick, they may just make a T5 K. Which, if they do, i agree it should have the Excel BO layout.

Still, I do not see them going for it.

But I waaant iiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1!!! shiftone!!!1!!!:mad:

In all seriousness I see your point with the Studebacer though (and the others), although I could counter with a few episodes of Overhaulin' where they stuffed new cars under old body shells. Just because a car looks old doesn't mean it won't shame a 'stang or a 'vette on the quater mile. :p When I'm done patching I'm going to take my K't'inga out for a spin anyhow. It'll be intresting to see how it looks in the KHG scheme.

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The "wolf in sheep's clothing" argument holds no water with me, the argument became null and void when they introduced D'kyr which is around a hundred years older than the original TOS D7. They also added the Koro't'inga which is a D4 ship also about a hundred years older than the D-7... which to me was an odd thing but whatever. The point being it just shows the arbitrary decision making behind what ships get put in.

The K't'inga replaced the venerable D-7 in the 2270's and a quote from Memory Alpha shows they are still relevant to this day "...many of the K't'inga-class battle cruisers had been retrofitted to keep up with the advances of technology. " Link (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/K%27t%27inga_class)

The resources would be minimal since a player model is already in game it just needs to be polished up to give it many of the missing details and correct modeling mistakes.

Personally, I feel they could make it an alternative skin for the T5 Vor'Cha Retrofit and I'd be happy with it. It's not about taking anything away from anyone else or forcing anyone to use it, it's just adding the option for those of us who do want to have the most iconic Klingon ship to be relevant and useable at end game. This has all been hashed out a million times since game launch if you search the forum history for the KDF. If you don't like it don't use it, simple, everyone wins, we just want the option.

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There is no "sheep's clothing" in the KDF.

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Honest question:
which one?

Cast no Shadow.

Its a new one.

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I so look forward to an improved sensor UI method for this game. A mini-game each and every time - welcome to Star Trek. So player's can't fall upon mere appearance of an NPC or player starship to know the enemy.

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Cast no Shadow.

Its a new one.

Thanks, I'll have to peek inside it when I get a chance.
The Mem Beta entry is of course not very informative with regards to the ships.
It does however list the D7 and the Gorkon as a seperate K't'inga class ships and mentions the K-type gunboat as an ovsolete design still in service.
This can of course mean just about anything so like I said gotta have a peek.

I'd like to however mention that the novel "Serpents among the Ruins" mentions that by the time of the beige ST1 movie era the Romulans had already begun to upgrade their D7s so I'd find it odd if the Romulans had started to do that by that era while the Klingons had supposedly done nothing of that kind.

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But I waaant iiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1!!! shiftone!!!1!!!:mad:
In all seriousness I see your point with the Studebacer though (and the others), although I could counter with a few episodes of Overhaulin' where they stuffed new cars under old body shells. Just because a car looks old doesn't mean it won't shame a 'stang or a 'vette on the quater mile. :p When I'm done patching I'm going to take my K't'inga out for a spin anyhow. It'll be intresting to see how it looks in the KHG scheme.

ROFL neighbor!!! (the i want comment)

you know... have you tried using the "K" and doing STF? i mean if you think about it, palce the proper weapons on it and it should do decently.

It would be a great hting to see to be sure and Hey, I'd buy it.

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There is no "sheep's clothing" in the KDF.

LOL Dee! well plenty of wolves for sure!

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ROFL neighbor!!! (the i want comment)

you know... have you tried using the "K" and doing STF? i mean if you think about it, palce the proper weapons on it and it should do decently.

It would be a great hting to see to be sure and Hey, I'd buy it.

Question is now that they're working on a T5 Akira (another T3 retro), T5 Merian and Vesta whether they'll even bother with any T5 Klingon ships for the year 2012.

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ROFL neighbor!!! (the i want comment)

you know... have you tried using the "K" and doing STF? i mean if you think about it, palce the proper weapons on it and it should do decently.

It would be a great hting to see to be sure and Hey, I'd buy it.

No, that'd have felt too much like trolling my team mates:D, but I did pop my end game gear on it, Honour guard set, Mk XI consoles, Mk XI pas/dis DHC and tric up front, turrets out back, and it was more than adequate for PVE, and it even stood a fighting chance in Ker'rat if I got the jump on somebody. It was just enough brute force to find a way through a shield facing and plant a 'splosion on somebody with the tric.