So done w/ STFs

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I am so over this grind fest just in the hopes to get a shiny new armor style. Aside from dealing w/ incredibly rude, nasty, hostile, elitist players, the endless daily grind has completely outweighed whatever desire I might have had for this style.

The straw that broke the camel's back was the experience I JUST had in KA. The instance was already well underway, the group had cleared about half the place by the time I got the invite to go in, so I can only assume that someone had left the group. As I try to make my way to the group I am met by Borg who wipe the floor w/ me. I am then insulted by some elitist jerk because I didn't take the "right" passage like "everyone" else does.

Newsflash, NOT everyone does an STF the same exact way. Don't assume that there is a set way of doing these things and don't forget that behind the toon there is a REAL person. Just because it's a game doesn't excuse people from having simple basic manners.

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Maybe you should've told him to provide clear instructions next time and learn to communicate with the team, or you could just join a fleet with vent, that has SOP's for STF's.

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lol, totally true, I'm not even an old player, but people are so rude, and if you do something wrong according to them.... they act all high and mighty...and never care to explain what exactly you ARE suppose to do...

They just scream bloody murder and rage at you...

I do like those people who actually explain things...but havent seen alot of those people.

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Maybe you should've told him to provide clear instructions next time and learn to communicate with the team, or you could just join a fleet with vent, that has SOP's for STF's.

Here's the thing. As I said these guys were already half way down the instance when I got in. As soon as I enter the tunnel I'm met by a pat of Borg. Then I get insulted by this guy because apparently I was too stupid to know which way I should have gone.

#1 How was I supposed to know the group hadn't cleared everything ahead of me?
#2 How was I supposed to know what path they took?

I mean really, I have done KA quite a few times by now and every time the groups take a different way, some kill everything, some don't. Its stupid to assume everyone does these things exactly the same way, especially in a pug.

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Newsflash, NOT everyone does an STF the same exact way. Don't assume that there is a set way of doing these things and don't forget that behind the toon there is a REAL person. Just because it's a game doesn't excuse people from having simple basic manners.

Well yeah but if you do it in a group you should look out and adapt to the way the otherss do the STFs, after all, its your goal too to master it, isnt it?
And that just works by working together, not by everybody doing it the way HE likes.

But that aside, I understand both sides.
I personally do not do STFs (on Elite, the normal ones could be done with a shutle...) with randoms for the simply reason that I understand the "elite crowd": not only do you do the same f*** missiopn again and again, 99% of the times without ANY usefull reward, but some people come in, have no idea what to do, do react to instructions and make that agonizing progress even harder to stand.

Not saying the reaction and the "rude hostile and nasty" tone is OK, but after some time of grind, with that happening again and again it is simply a natural reaction to loose temper at one point.
Even for the kindest person at one point that is unavoidable.
Thats why I purposly stopped Qing for public STFs (and reduced the numbers of STFs I do in general), because of knowing sooner or later I'd come to that point, too.


Its not the "Elite"-crowd to blame. It is the absolutley bad design of those STFs. Or better said, not the missions themselfes, they are kind of nice, its the reward system.

Of course that is not an excuse for unpolite behaviour, just an explanation, since that reaction does usually hit the wrong person. After all, the "less experienced" players are not the ones to blame for that situation, the "elite players" had to learn the game at one point, too, and were not born with their experience.

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I have never done a stf due to the fact I will have no idea what to do, and learning it now will involve dealing with the odd rageman now and then. I really don't want people like that moaning at me about a game, though I'd be happy to learn and participate without the hassle. Guess I needa find a fleet.

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lol, totally true, I'm not even an old player, but people are so rude, and if you do something wrong according to them.... they act all high and mighty...and never care to explain what exactly you ARE suppose to do...

They just scream bloody murder and rage at you...

I do like those people who actually explain things...but havent seen alot of those people.

Of course, there are people like me that do explain things and get ignored. I tried to explain to an Infected public group that taking the generators down all at once was the preferable option because the Nanite craft would be easier to deal with. Did they listen to me? Nope.

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I just lol at those raging idiots. Last night some italian douchebag blamed me for "slowing them down", raged and insulted me; I insulted back and he threatened to get me banned for a week. SCREW LOGIC.

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#1 How was I supposed to know the group hadn't cleared everything ahead of me?
#2 How was I supposed to know what path they took?

Yes, they were being asses but you could've checked the map.

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As a couple people have stated, I understand both sides of the debate. It can sometimes be really frustrating doing an STF with either an inexperienced group or one that won't listen. (I'm still short one accolade because of the damned Infected Ground optional.) I try to be as helpful as I can, but there is an occasional group that really rubs me the wrong way.

OTOH

I really can't get that angry. After all, I am running PuGs. They're almost as much of a gamble as the damned Cardassian lock boxes. You reap what you sow. Not only that, but the ******n rage-a-holics are really no better than the "n00bs." Rage quitting, (sometimes downright offensive) insults, and childish declarations like, "YOU ARE NOTHING WITHOUT ME!!!" are just as unwarranted.

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I personally have had a lot of this over the last few days. It's not always the case but when you get some wally screaming offensive abuse at people, swearing and insulting people because things aren't going their way then leaving after only getting part of the way through because everyone else are "noobs" or "suck" it is seriously annoying.
Whats worse is when they throw a tantrum and just stand there and do nothing just to spite the rest of the team who in most cases are working together to complete the game.

Several times I've had an individual constantly swear, moan, complain and generally be down right rude to everyone else in the team even when there are extremely experienced players involved.

It really does ruin the atmosphere of the game and to be honest I think these people seriously need to grow up and work with the team rather than sitting there shouting orders and childishly shouting spite from behind the safety of their monitor.

The bottom line is that if you don't want to play with people that you think aren't as good as you then join the elite stf channel, find a team or get a few of your fleet mates together. Please don't ruin the gaming experience for the rest of us.

Sadly for those of us that have to put up with such utterly childish behavior just remember ignore is your friend. ;)

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As I try to make my way to the group I am met by Borg who wipe the floor w/ me. I am then insulted by some elitist jerk because I didn't take the "right" passage like "everyone" else does.

Newsflash, NOT everyone does an STF the same exact way. I've run over 250 elite STFs so far, and not a single one of my KA ground runs had the team go left. Therefore, it baffles me, why anyone would choose left without at least checking out the rightside path first, especially when they're on their own.

Your teammate's comment on the matter was a bit out of line though, I fully agree with you there. In principle, however, he was right.

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That is why I only do STF's with my fleet. I refuse to do any STF in a PUG group. The last time I did an STF in a PUG, they all defended the Kang and I was the only trying to take the Borg space docks and no matter what I said the others refused to do anything besides defend the Kang. So I left the STF and right after words, I got a nasty PM about how I shouldn't do STF's if I wasn't going to see it through. I told him that he needs to learn how to do the STF cause it doesn't matter how long you defend the Kang, the Borg ships keep on coming. And that you only need 1 maybe 2 people to defend the Kang and the rest take out the docks. But, he refused to understand that and said I didn't know what I was talking about. So, I was like f u, added to ignore list and moved on.

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II am then insulted by some elitist jerk because I didn't take the "right" passage like "everyone" else does.


I and others got the same when we didn't do the mission where you destroy nanite generators, "properly"

We killed all the generators, like we thought we had to, but no, apparently we're supposed to let them stay at 10%? then kill the nanite sphere? something odd like that

He/she was so busy ranting, I never did get clear instructions on how best to do it.

It's sad really, because most of the team players I've encountered in those missions, never talk unless they deem someone is doing something wrong, they seem to take the "game" so seriously, that chit chat, communicating and being friendly are sins.

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My advice is this for STFs.

1. Hopefully your main is a tac. STFs are all about TACs at this point. If not, I am thinking of running my alts in a Multivector even if they are not tacs because it make things go quicker. DPS, DPS, DPS. So same weapons type, Borg gear if you can get it, stack consoles, manage weapon power, and bridge officer skills.

2. Working theory is that if you bring more DPS and heals that you get better drops in STFs. So back to point 1 run an escort and DPS, DPS, DPS. I know that I am in for a hard time when I see TACs in cruisers or a bunch of Scis. Sci can be awesome in STFs but you really have to know what your doing.

2. STFs are about volume not optionals. Do infected elites over and over and cycle your alts. You should have at least 3 Vice Admirals by now. The shield tech will drop so don't use EDCs for Shields. FYI. Go left. Take the generators down to 10%. Kill the generators simultaneously and take down the transformer before the nanites get there. Go to the right side and repeat. Do this and no one will ever yell at you. Probably have one or two bad ones but on the wholes pugs have Infected down. Infected drops the shield tech so you will eventually get a drop.

3. Pick up purple weapons and blue consoles and sell them on the exchange for big money.

4. Get your space set because it can make STFs easier. Spend first on the Engine because getting it from cure is very difficult. Then the Deflector that drops from KA. Shield is last if you don't get borg tech.

5. Don't do cure at all unless it is normal. You can do KA but your percentage of miserable PUG experiences is much higher. Know what you are doing in KA before you do elite. (Bottom line is 2 people have probes. 3 people take down 1 gate to 10% then does the other. After than take down both gates at the same time to avoid the spheres.) If you mindless start blowing away generators you will get yelled at.

6. Now I am going to talk out of the other side of my mouth. Good Tactics beat DPS and Good Equipment, but it takes a ton of practice to really learn how to play your character. I have TACs down, but I am still learning Engineers and Scis

7. Get really good at STFs, learn the tactics, and kit out your ship and the PVE missions are pathetically easy. My main ripped through the feature episode on normal.

If you want to get stopped yelled at KA do a run with my main character and I will teach everything that you need to know and how to have fun from here on out. KA is blast not that stressful when you know what to do.

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Yes, they were being asses but you could've checked the map.

I've run over 250 elite STFs so far, and not a single one of my KA ground runs had the team go left. Therefore, it baffles me, why anyone would choose left without at least checking out the rightside path first, especially when they're on their own.

Your teammate's comment on the matter was a bit out of line though, I fully agree with you there. In principle, however, he was right.

I did check the map and there were enemy dots all over, not just on 1 side hence why i just picked a side.

While you obviously are lucky enough to have had similar KA experiences, I have had a more diverse experience. I have no idea how many STFs I have done since I haven't kept track but, I have been doing STFs since they were originally introduced and I can tell you that w/ pugs there is no definite way of doing it. I have done groups who take left, groups who take right, groups who kill everything and groups that only kill what they have to, so assuming that everyone will know to do the same exact thing in a pug is idiotic.

Well yeah but if you do it in a group you should look out and adapt to the way the otherss do the STFs, after all, its your goal too to master it, isnt it?
And that just works by working together, not by everybody doing it the way HE likes.


You don't understand. I had NO chance to see what was going on and adapt. The group was already far into the caves when I beamed in. All I heard was weapons fire, I looked at my map and there were enemy dots moving all over so I had no idea if the dots were where the group was OR if the dots were right down the hall. It jut so happens that the dots were from enemies they left behind who happened to grab me as I turned a corner because they were coming up the same corner.

Frankly it's because of people like this guy that I stopped doing STFs a while back. The only reason I reluctantly started to again was because it's the only way to get the uniform style I want. I wish they would just sell us the style already in the C-store because I can tell you that I and plenty of others would jump at the chance to buy that uniform. It sure would beat dealing w/ rude attitudes and elitists people.

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When going elite join a fleet.:D

That way you can learn the way your fleet does it, and if you slip up they will most likely just inform you and joke about it.
Not abuse the crap out of you.

Guarantee you, that no matter how experienced a player is, they will experience abuse sometime while pugging elites.

Also I think some of the pressure is coming from trying to get OMEGA/MACO xii gear. (Could be making people cranky)
I've never been a lucky person and having to rely on luck to get gear sucks.
Haven't come across one xii drop yet.

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I and others got the same when we didn't do the mission where you destroy nanite generators, "properly"

I know, right? When rest of the people go to kill the left cube in infected I go shoot some generators on the right side. Then I get yelled at for some reason.


My advice is this for STFs.

1. Hopefully your main is a tac.

I hope not. Tactical captains need a buff if anything. If you wanted to complain about escorts feel free though. :)


I did check the map and there were enemy dots all over, not just on 1 side hence why i just picked a side.

If the blob of borg is moving they are in the upper corridor. If it's stationary they are in the lower one.

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If you mindlessly blow Generators in infected, you will get yelled out. If you do not shoot the generators at the same time, the optional is next to impossible and you have to deal with wave after wave of Spheres. I can sometimes pull a group through with my sci, but it is not a fun ride. Mixed with lousy dps, means long run and cranky people.

If you mindless blow 2 generators in KA, you will spawn the cubes. Spawn multiple cubes mixed with lousy dps and poor teamwork means getting yelled at. Taking the gate down before the other gate means spheres and probes spawn requiring a heavy duty fight to prevent mission failure. Again, you will get yelled at.

Just don't do these things. Tell your friends not to do these things.

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dude u will find this angry rage arggh in everygame its best to not take any notice and add to ignore list. i bet 99% have been up most of the night and been threw 20 cups of coffee. :o

they maybe be a little jumpy ;p

fleets are usaly best for stf becuse they dont care if u dont get optional its more about fun with the fleet.:cool:

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I am so over this grind fest just in the hopes to get a shiny new armor style. Aside from dealing w/ incredibly rude, nasty, hostile, elitist players, the endless daily grind has completely outweighed whatever desire I might have had for this style.

The straw that broke the camel's back was the experience I JUST had in KA. The instance was already well underway, the group had cleared about half the place by the time I got the invite to go in, so I can only assume that someone had left the group. As I try to make my way to the group I am met by Borg who wipe the floor w/ me. I am then insulted by some elitist jerk because I didn't take the "right" passage like "everyone" else does.

Newsflash, NOT everyone does an STF the same exact way. Don't assume that there is a set way of doing these things and don't forget that behind the toon there is a REAL person. Just because it's a game doesn't excuse people from having simple basic manners.

I've had the opposite happen to me. I've done Terradome a few time with a bunch of knuckleheads that didn't have any basic sense as to how to play STF's in an escort. Polite requests didn't help because after the sixth time of asking them to stay at the edge of the battle, they wouldn't listen. Then I started typing in caps because manners weren't apparently working.

And even if the italian guy is a complete jerk, try to see it from his point of view. He just spent 20-30 minutes clearing borg only to have to spend another 10-15 minutes clearing more because you've come in. Doesn't he have a right to rage, too? If nobody told me you were coming and you came in out of the blue (and you didn't warn us that you'd be coming in from the start), I would rage too.

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I think some of ight be full of rage, becuase when we join PUGs, we get set with a group of Leroy jenkins who go off doing there own thing and take 10 minutes of cat herding to get into the right place to do the right thing.

Issues I've noticed
Infected ground:
one member going around by himself trying to get the shields down around each area, where you need three to do them at the same time.

KA Ground:
Someone in the shield control room, randomly doing things with the shields while the rest of the grou is either, still clearing The Borg, or set up to take a shield unit down, but the player in the room, won't take the shield down, or doesn't know how to extend the time the shield is down.

Infected Space: one player going to the opposite side of the transwarp conduit and attacking those targets, and ignoring pleas from the others to have everyone attack one side at a time.
Also, no one watching for Nanite probes, or spheres on teh side being attacked

KA Space:
no one watching for probes from either side (and yes I have actually been guilty of this, but I learned and moved on)

Cure Space:
Similar to KA Space, no one protecting the Kang. Usually this should fall to a Tac ship with high DPS

Cure Ground:
I still don't like how this is designed so I don't play it

So if some players come off as being rageful, please make sure you're playing as the others are, and not just doing your own thing.

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I can defend the Kang just fine with my Eng in a cruiser.

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I can defend the Kang just fine with my Eng in a cruiser.

That's true. I was just saying that those ships seem to have the easiest time defending the Kang with their high DPS and high turn rates

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STF'ers are some of the worst players (as in rude, etc) in my opinion.

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No matter how good you are you’ll never be good enough for some of the so called pros out there.

I had one instance where I was running KA elite ground and one member started to trash me for my choice of weapons to the point that I had to add them to my ignore list during the mission.

I had run that mission on Elite at least 200 times at the point with the same weapons and never had any issues.

You’ll never know what kind of players that you’ll meet in a pug group and the best that you can do is make sure you know what needs to be done and how you can best help the team.

Never be afraid to call someone out on their attitude or to report them if you feel there harassing you.

As for STF’s in general, I grew tired of the endless grind months ago and have not run one since mid-December 2011.

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STF'ers are some of the worst players (as in rude, etc) in my opinion.

Of course we are. If you want to find nice people just visit the zone chat in ESD.

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I no longer do pug stf's unless I go in with at least one of my friends in my fleet.

Its just much easier that way....

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Of course we are. If you want to find nice people just visit the zone chat in ESD.

I think I /ignore or /reported most of ESD chat by now. :o But yeah, good job on supporting my post.

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But on the flip side isn't running a PUG STF part of the challenge? Once you know all the mechanics they run pretty easy. you know when to do things automatically. Now when there is a PUG and one or more just doesn't listen it makes it a bit more interesting. At least more of a challenge.

That being said, I have never had a pug finish cure space elite. NEVER. And my fleet won't run it on elite. So I am SOL for cure space. So I do get frustrated on that one when people don't know what they are doing or don't care.

Is it confirmed that each elite drops a different tech? I thought it was all random. I'm missing the MACO MK XII engine and now I am wondering if it's because I have not run cure elite successfully.

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If you're new to STFs, come out and say it. 'Hey guys, first time in here, any tips or things I should know?" I for one, will gladly tell you what I know. Do it BEFORE the team rushes head long into the fight.

You should also take the time to look on the internet and these forums for guides and so forth. Educate yourself. Classic example- I was in a normal Cure run the other day, and 3 out of 5 were attacking the cube and probes on the right, with someone guarding the Kang. Some lone-wolf all by himself was off on the far left tackling the Cube and assorted badies there. He died repeatedly while we chewed through the cubes right to left.

Did he respond to requests for him to join us? Nope. Ignored us and kept on by himself.

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But on the flip side isn't running a PUG STF part of the challenge? Once you know all the mechanics they run pretty easy. you know when to do things automatically. Now when there is a PUG and one or more just doesn't listen it makes it a bit more interesting. At least more of a challenge.

You better believe that it is. Those people that go off swearing and promising never to PUG again, and blah blah blah... are not well equiped to handle chaos when it is ensues. If Darwin's survival theory is not the fittest, but the most adaptable, then you are looking at the ones that can't. I play PUGs to learn to stay flexible, no other reason.
And beleive me, playing on Elite with some of you really pushes my adaptability to the limits sometimes.


Oh, and while I am at it, there are no Elite, master, ultra-mega, platinum, first class players in STO. We all have the same equipment, same modules, and same skills. What you have found is someone that has adapted what was available to their gamestyle more efficiently than others. Just thought that should be pointed out.

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Y'know, I've been playing for about 2 months now - proud gold member

um that last little sentence sounds a bit wierd.....:o

Anyway - my point...

Whenever I read about STFs on here (the forum that is) it's always about some crap experience someone's had. In fact it's usually about abusive language and being called stuff. It's kinda putting me off wanting to join Fleets etc.

Is it REALLY like this? I mean, whilst it's a game - it's still a game :rolleyes:

What's the bestist way to experience these things? I have no friends that play so can't make alliances with anybody as yet. There is a whole bunch of solo stuff to do, so is there enough to keep me happily trekking away without joining in to taste the fear?

And what's ESD?

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It seems I read endless posts such as these and others from both sides of the argument.

The common thread is there's always "some jerk/s" in them:

Some Jerk, was rude, some jerk bonked the mission because they didn't listen, some jerk came in an odyssey class, some jerk came ill equipped, some jerk was a loot ninja, we need the ability to team boot some jerks ect. ect. ect.

Pugs are tough, You're rolling the dice with em. You're either gonna get a good team, or you're not.
That's all there is to that story. Trying to change people is an exercise in extreme futility.

I started puging exclusively in the beginning and experienced all the woes I've read in the forum and more, so yeah O.P., I can see your point and sympathize. Believe me.

But then I joined a fleet with a bunch of great people who know what they are doing and TEACH those who don't.

Fact is, when you are with a group of friends, you simply just want to do your best. Nobody ninja's loot and STFs are a lot more fun because you're enjoying each other's company.

So what's the point to all this then? Find a decent fleet. There is plenty decent ones out there.
Mine runs STFs everyday. Join one and start having a better STF experience.

I wish you better luck in the future.

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Y'know, I've been playing for about 2 months now - proud gold member

um that last little sentence sounds a bit wierd.....:o

Anyway - my point...

Whenever I read about STFs on here (the forum that is) it's always about some crap experience someone's had. In fact it's usually about abusive language and being called stuff. It's kinda putting me off wanting to join Fleets etc.

Is it REALLY like this? I mean, whilst it's a game - it's still a game :rolleyes:

What's the bestist way to experience these things? I have no friends that play so can't make alliances with anybody as yet. There is a whole bunch of solo stuff to do, so is there enough to keep me happily trekking away without joining in to taste the fear?

And what's ESD?

Actually fleets tend to not call names etc.. It's when you join a PUG (Pick Up Group), that you can get vocal people. In the PUGS you join in the que and get random people on your team. Sometimes you'll have a great run where people know what they are doing, other times you get a bunch of people who don't. Its just random.
When you are in a Fleet you can ask fleet mates to run the STF with you. Communication is much better with those then PUG. Heck sometimes the team speak different languages.

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Whenever I read about STFs on here (the forum that is) it's always about some crap experience someone's had. In fact it's usually about abusive language and being called stuff. It's kinda putting me off wanting to join Fleets etc.

Is it REALLY like this? I mean, whilst it's a game - it's still a game :rolleyes:

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And what's ESD?

It's not usually the fleets that have this problem. People are talking about the PuGs (Pick Up Groups, general MMO jargon for a band of random strangers who want to go that one instance Right F-ing Noaw!) that are automatically formed by the solo PVE queue system. You can still form groups manually, go in with friends or a guild, who'll generally be less shy about communicating.

Some PuGs go pretty well. Some are unmitigated disasters. Most are somewhere in between. Since people in PuGs don't like talking to each other that much, and indeed, sometimes you're in groups with people who don't seem to speak English at all, and it only takes one person shooting something they shouldn't to bring the house of cards down... you'd expect people at least see these things coming, and respond a bit more gracefully.

I used to, anyway. I never took into account this might not be their first incident of the day, or the hour. Cause while the raging and name-calling thing isn't my way, hi, my name is Reave, and as of yesterday I'm a rage-quitter. I'd just come out of a disastrous Khitomer Accord elite run that lasted a full hour, starting with some guy (notice how it's always some guy, I say we find some guy and kick his ***!) ignoring warnings and explanations, and summoning in needless adds costing the optional, but okay, then the server having a senior moment disbanded the entire group, rendering any team abilities instantly useless, and then I and four others who didn't seem to be too bothered about the three dozen minor, major and critical injuries each that were killing their DPS and survivability (I seemed to be the only one who fixed these things, only one person responded to say he couldn't repair, the rest just liked the pretty reds and yellows, I guess), spent an arduous eternity grinding down Donatra's borgified flagship. Sometimes when I got back there, her health had gone up. Must've blown me up over fifty times. Cost a fortune in repairs, but I just didn't want to be that guy, the first one to bail, so when after an hour she was finally dead, we all hung our heads in shame and collected our EDCs, and then... some guy (some guy again, eh, he just won't learn!) in Infected opened up Fire At Will near a generator that was already down to 10 percent and I found out I had just completely run out of patience...

Also, ESD is Earth Space Dock

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Is it confirmed that each elite drops a different tech? I thought it was all random. I'm missing the MACO MK XII engine and now I am wondering if it's because I have not run cure elite successfully.

Yes. It's even told in game to you by Cmdr. Roxy. Cure space drops the engine tech, and thus you must run Cure elite (optional or no) to possibly get it.

Anywho, to the thread-maker, I know your pain, but I must say one thing:

Please don't put ALL STFers into one 'elitist' grouping like that. We're FAR from being that. Yes there are the 'greater-than-thou' a**es out there who will ruin it merely because you aren't playing their idea of a 'perfect run' which has to be done EXACTLY step-by-step in their eyes.

I admit, I run enough elite STFs to do them in my sleep (I think I might actually be doing so :p). The only optionals I ain't gotten are Infected and Cure ground, both on elite. Do I consider myself highly knowledgable on them? I believe so.

BUT!...I don't yell and scream when I need to do pugs. The best way I've found to deal with at least space STFs, is pretend I don't even have 4 other teammates, and simply think that they're AI-controlled ships that I may or may not be able to help them on what to do. Or in short, I just think I'm the only player there, and if I get help from the other four great, if not, well maybe I'll go and join them to speed it up (depending on the STF of course).

I realize that might sound elitist, but honestly, it saves a lot of headaches for myself for pugs.

Again, to the thread-maker, as others have said, join a fleet. If you can't find one, whisper me possibly in game, and maybe you can join mine.

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well I guess I was the dumb one in my last cure run. I had the cube down to 15% and the group wanted it lower. One too many torpedoes went out and poof went the cube. They were not too happy.

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You don't understand. I had NO chance to see what was going on and adapt. The group was already far into the caves when I beamed in. All I heard was weapons fire, I looked at my map and there were enemy dots moving all over so I had no idea if the dots were where the group was OR if the dots were right down the hall. It jut so happens that the dots were from enemies they left behind who happened to grab me as I turned a corner because they were coming up the same corner.

Ok, but that situation seems to me like an exception, not the rule.
May be the guy talking to you didnt really realize the circumstances.
However, as I said, its still no excuse for rude behaviour.
Just saying... "doing it the own way" is a bad thing in STFs.
For example, in Kithomer space I'm used that we take out the left gateway first. For some reason today there was a group where every body got to the right one... so for sure I dont go for the left one just because its the way I'm used to do it.


Frankly it's because of people like this guy that I stopped doing STFs a while back. The only reason I reluctantly started to again was because it's the only way to get the uniform style I want. I wish they would just sell us the style already in the C-store because I can tell you that I and plenty of others would jump at the chance to buy that uniform. It sure would beat dealing w/ rude attitudes and elitists people.

I can't say how much I understand that uniform issue... Its the only costume EVER availbale for KDF that would fit for my Klingon merc.
I'd be lucky enough if stuff like Mirror u. costumes or the merc set were available for KDF, but no, they arent.
So the costume unlock is basicly the ONLY reason why I still do STFs at least SOMETIMES, but I can hardly see them any more.




I hope not. Tactical captains need a buff if anything. If you wanted to complain about escorts feel free though. :)



My advice is this for STFs.

1. Hopefully your main is a tac. STFs are all about TACs at this point. If not, I am thinking of running my alts in a Multivector even if they are not tacs because it make things go quicker. DPS, DPS, DPS. So same weapons type, Borg gear if you can get it, stack consoles, manage weapon power, and bridge officer skills.


Yeah have fun with a 4-escort-group in cure elite.

2. Working theory is that if you bring more DPS and heals that you get better drops in STFs. So back to point 1 run an escort and DPS, DPS, DPS. I know that I am in for a hard time when I see TACs in cruisers or a bunch of Scis. Sci can be awesome in STFs but you really have to know what your doing.


Thats neither working in theory nor practicly.
STFs are no Fleet actions.


2. STFs are about volume not optionals. Do infected elites over and over and cycle your alts. You should have at least 3 Vice Admirals by now. The shield tech will drop so don't use EDCs for Shields. FYI. Go left. Take the generators down to 10%. Kill the generators simultaneously and take down the transformer before the nanites get there. Go to the right side and repeat. Do this and no one will ever yell at you. Probably have one or two bad ones but on the wholes pugs have Infected down. Infected drops the shield tech so you will eventually get a drop.


Why again should people play Infectet with 3 chars while just wanting stuff for 1?
And seriously, your concept just works for the normal STFs and on normal they are all equally easy. No reason to focus on Infectet.


3. Pick up purple weapons and blue consoles and sell them on the exchange for big money.


Yeah... need everything. Great advice... :rolleyes:


4. Get your space set because it can make STFs easier. Spend first on the Engine because getting it from cure is very difficult. Then the Deflector that drops from KA. Shield is last if you don't get borg tech.


The Engine MK XI from cure is as easy to get as the other stuff on normal. And you just need elite if you want MK XII.


5. Don't do cure at all unless it is normal. You can do KA but your percentage of miserable PUG experiences is much higher. Know what you are doing in KA before you do elite. (Bottom line is 2 people have probes. 3 people take down 1 gate to 10% then does the other. After than take down both gates at the same time to avoid the spheres.) If you mindless start blowing away generators you will get yelled at.


7. Get really good at STFs, learn the tactics, and kit out your ship and the PVE missions are pathetically easy. My main ripped through the feature episode on normal.


how again are ppl supposed to get really good if they avoid some?

I''m sorry but that does not sound like good advice to me.