Yellowstone Engines Not Bound?

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Cryptic, any idea these wern't Bound? The Exchange is flooded with these engines.

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Cryptic, any idea these wern't Bound? The Exchange is flooded with these engines.

LOL!!!! Someone goofed. :p

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The shuttle seems to have been changed to a single purchase now, can't be reclaimed if you sell the engine.

Whether this is trying to dam the flood or a permanent solution I don't know.

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kdf can't buy it. it doesn't matter

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Perhaps the test server should have been utilized for testing first, as with earlier C-store ships like the Rhode Island.

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The shuttle seems to have been changed to a single purchase now

The team is aware of this and is working on a fix. Thanks for your patience!

Cheers,

Brandon =/\=

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kdf can't buy it. it doesn't matter

I wouldn't mind buying an engine and seeing if the Core of Engineers could rig it to a Bio-N missile......

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I wouldn't mind buying an engine and seeing if the Core of Engineers could rig it to a Bio-N missile......

I wouldn't mind seeing if they could retrofit it onto my Orion interceptors...

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Whats s special about the engines? Are they OP in a star ship or something or just allows other shuttles to squirt gas out the tail pipe?

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I wouldn't mind buying an engine and seeing if the Core of Engineers could rig it to a Bio-N missile......


Damnit, now I want a heavy torpedo style weapon that leaves a warp plasma trail.

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Whats s special about the engines? Are they OP in a star ship or something or just allows other shuttles to squirt gas out the tail pipe?
They grant a small Tetryon-Plasma discharge ability. People love extra abilities for free. :)

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Perhaps the test server should have been utilized for testing first
What a quaint concept.

This way it´s much more exiting, don´t ya know? :p

BTW hope we don´t get penalized for totally legally buying that neat little squirty-pooh engine. :(

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Naturally people are putting them on exchange for insanely ridiculous prices like everything else. Gotta hoard all that fake money that will get you nothing in real life instead of making the game enjoyable for everybody.

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apparently they are selling at those insane prices.

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whoops.

/10chr

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apparently they are selling at those insane prices.
It's the burden of a game which has no real money sinks. I generally stop playing alts when they get to VA; I start new ones. But even then I have over 150 million EC on those alts; and that's after giving 50 million to my Fleet and probably another 50 million away to newbs on ESD.

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dang it I'm at work and can't get one off the exchange to go with my rechargeable battery that isn't avilable any more.

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Salami is btw buying those engines from the exchange. The magic value seems to be somewhere between <=12,5-14,5m. Interesting way to solve the problem. :D

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dang it I'm at work and can't get one off the exchange to go with my rechargeable battery that isn't avilable any more.

The fact that you're at work and cannot get on the exchange is a slap in the...

whoops.

nevermind.

:D

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It's the burden of a game which has no real money skins. I generally stop playing alts when they get to VA; I start new ones. But even then I have over 150 million EC on those alts; and that's after giving 50 million to my Fleet and probably another 50 million away to newbs on ESD.

More than likely I will never see numbers like that. Have been here since the very beginning and only have 5 mil on my VA. And I put just about everything I loot on the exchange.

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More than likely I will never see numbers like that. Have been here since the very beginning and only have 5 mil on my VA. And I put just about everything I loot on the exchange.
There's guys dropping 300 million on Bugs and Galors. There's a lot of people with a lot of ECs out there.

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apparently they are selling at those insane prices.

Not at first.

I was lucky enough to catch the beginning and bought 3 Engines for my 3 KDF characters before prices jumped into the millions and multi-millions. :D




Oh BTW: You might want to check the spelling. You're spelling Yellowstone with 3 Ls. ;)

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Not that a shuttle engine is really useful for anything but shuttles/small craft. But seems like people got too much money laying around, maybe its time for a new money sink?

regards,
Mr. J

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More than likely I will never see numbers like that. Have been here since the very beginning and only have 5 mil on my VA. And I put just about everything I loot on the exchange.

Untill very recently I had more than 120 Million on my account... and I only sell rare stuff on the exchange.

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Yay another Useless fluff item that will Result in a patch in a few days..

I dont get it. the engines are only usable on Small fraft and shuttle.
so it's pretty useless Except for The Vault.

So who would want to buy the engines.

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Yay another Useless fluff item that will Result in a patch in a few days..

I dont get it. the engines are only usable on Small fraft and shuttle.
so it's pretty useless Except for The Vault.

So who would want to buy the engines.
There are a lot of players who do Small Craft missions. My Fleet regularly has Small Craft night where we team up and do Exploration clusters and other Missions in your Small Craft. We even have Small Craft PvP teams. That engine makes a difference in those instances. :)

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Yay another Useless fluff item that will Result in a patch in a few days..

I dont get it. the engines are only usable on Small fraft and shuttle.
so it's pretty useless Except for The Vault.

So who would want to buy the engines.

tomorrows FE is a shuttle mission for the record.

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Yay another Useless fluff item that will Result in a patch in a few days..

I dont get it. the engines are only usable on Small fraft and shuttle.
so it's pretty useless Except for The Vault.

So who would want to buy the engines.

Engines would be a valuable item in PvP.

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good work on droping the ball devs. this is what happens when you dont test stuff right. any idea on if there will be a fix before the fe ep goes live?

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How could this skip QA's attention? Frankly, its clear QA is a primary issue in STO lately. I doubt those engines will be removed from those who bought them for EC while everyone else will have to spend money, stipend or dilithium to get them.

Disgraceful.

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Is the shuttle supposed to be an account wide unlock or per character only?

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Is the shuttle supposed to be an account wide unlock or per character only?

Account wide :) There is an issue right now that is not allowing you to claim it on other characters other than the one it was first purchased on. This should be fixed in tonight's patch.

Cheers,

Brandon =/\=

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It would really help if you could add the fact that it's account wide to the C-store description. What's on there now makes no mention, so you are left guessing whether your 400CP purchase will actually be a 800/1200/1600 etc. CP purchase.

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So basically, buy it now, sell the engines for 10 million EC's, and wait for the patch to get the ship back?

Sounds like a plan.

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Didn´t do this ´cause I expected them to get simply deleted of the accounts and the exchange purged of all orders.

Looks like I was wrong and they will just be flagged as bound. So all the exploiters win again.
Yay. :(

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[...]So all the exploiters win again.
Yay. :(

Not that they can cause any real damage with EC, but its still bad for those who try to get EC with legal methods.

regards,
Mr. J

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when you can cheat for free without punishment, would you miss the chance or take it? of course you would take it, unfortunately though, nothing is gonna get done about it. the least they could of done is access all accounts and remove each engine that wasnt bought by c-store points and remove all engines on the exchange then bind on pickup.

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Since i had the opportunity and didnt take it i would say that i would not use that exploit. :rolleyes:
Also removing the engines now would be unfair for those who bought it without knowing that it was not intended so i assume that they will stay ingame but will be bound.

regards,
Mr. J

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when you can cheat for free without punishment, would you miss the chance or take it? of course you would take it, unfortunately though, nothing is gonna get done about it. the least they could of done is access all accounts and remove each engine that wasnt bought by c-store points and remove all engines on the exchange then bind on pickup.

Nobody was cheating. People legitimately bought the Yellowstone and saw the engine was not bound, and was free to sell it on the exchange. It's no different than players buying C-store Packs and selling them on the exchange. Just Cryptic made an oopsy and people capitalized on it, it's not the first time.

So nobody should be punished.

What's done is done and an error fixed and a few lucky individuals got something nice. Especially those who bought them for their KDF characters. ;)

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Nobody was cheating. People legitimately bought the Yellowstone and saw the engine was not bound, and was free to sell it on the exchange. It's no different than players buying C-store Packs and selling them on the exchange. Just Cryptic made an oopsy and people capitalized on it, it's not the first time.

So nobody should be punished.

What's done is done and an error fixed and a few lucky individuals got something nice. Especially those who bought them for their KDF characters. ;)

you seem to forget the engines on the market is the key to my arguement which is exactly what i mean, if it was bound no one would have the chance to 'exploit' the system in the first place, in otherwords to cheat the system for their own benefit before it gets closed off.

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What's done is done and an error fixed and a few lucky individuals got something nice. Especially those who bought them for their KDF characters. ;)

DERP! I didn't even think of that!

Full marks for lateral thinking!

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Nobody was cheating. People legitimately bought the Yellowstone and saw the engine was not bound, and was free to sell it on the exchange. It's no different than players buying C-store Packs and selling them on the exchange. Just Cryptic made an oopsy and people capitalized on it, it's not the first time.

So nobody should be punished.

What's done is done and an error fixed and a few lucky individuals got something nice. Especially those who bought them for their KDF characters. ;)
You can't really compare that - you have to buy each cstore pack you might want to sell individually.
However the engine was as account unlock (for some time) in unlimited numbers and not bound available. Somewhat obvious that this wasn't intended.

Therefore I'd say in fact everyone who sold engines -or better sold more than one engine- was exploiting.

Cryptics solution to buy those engines en masses from the exchange is another big no go. They made a major error - but instead of rolling the servers back or undoing any transfer they... go flood the already oversatuated energy credit market with a few more billions to reduce the availability of those exploited engines?!


That's not how to do it. Next time get your QA to actually test stuff before releasing it. Bring it to tribble to find overlooked bugs or problems. And if it comes to something like this anyways - be sure nobody made a profit out of such an exploit - remove all engines, undo all transfers.

Nothing is worse for a game than a playerbase thinking they can exploit as they like and the worst they've to fear for exploiting is that their exploit might get fixed some day...

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More than likely I will never see numbers like that. Have been here since the very beginning and only have 5 mil on my VA. And I put just about everything I loot on the exchange.

Apparently I've been doing something wrong as well. I never made it much past 1 million credits on my oldest chars and ones I've leveled recently are nearly broke.

What are these people doing that claim to get 150m EC just from leveling? What am I doing horribly wrong?

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DERP! I didn't even think of that!

Full marks for lateral thinking!
Heh, yeah. Dito. :o

BTW Cryptic accidentally your sig. :p

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Although I don't think anyone was cheating or exploiting anything. The moral of the story is, testing! When testing happens, these issues rarely do. I was hoping Dan being back at the helm of STO would ensure quality contral returned to Cryptic. So far, he's making me think I was greatly wrong! :(

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Although I don't think anyone was cheating or exploiting anything. The moral of the story is, testing! When testing happens, these issues rarely do. I was hoping Dan being back at the helm of STO would ensure quality contral returned to Cryptic. So far, he's making me think I was greatly wrong! :(

Well Dan was in most regards better then his successor / predacessor.... but releasing testet content wasnt directly his strenth...

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Although I don't think anyone was cheating or exploiting anything. The moral of the story is, testing! When testing happens, these issues rarely do. I was hoping Dan being back at the helm of STO would ensure quality contral returned to Cryptic. So far, he's making me think I was greatly wrong! :(
It's more about a lack of time then anything else. Even the patch was delayed a day because Part 3 of the FE wasn't ready on Thursday - and anyone who went into Part 3 last week knows how little of it was ready to be played and should be amazed they got it out in just 1 week, IMO.

Right now everything's just being rushed to try and keep this weekly FE schedule: Part 3 had to be today and the Shuttle had to be out for Part 3. Cryptic just doesn't have the time to measure twice, cut once so things are slipping through the cracks. Hopefully once the FE is behind us things can slow down and we can get back to testing on Tribble.

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Personally, I would be okay with this weeks episode being pushed back a week to ensure some things get fixed. Teaming in Second Wave comes to mind and would be on the top of my list of things I want to see fixed. Myabe it's just me but quality should take priority over time.

I'm kind of wondering if Dan's deparrture was because he refused to rush out crap before and stepped down instead of becoming some PWE tool, like Stephen was. If this is the way Dan is going to allow things to be run, then it doesn't really matter who runs this game at all. A tool is a tool and a fool in my book!

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I'm kind of wondering if Dan's deparrture was because he refused to rush out crap before and stepped down instead of becoming some PWE tool, like Stephen was. If this is the way Dan is going to allow things to be run, then it doesn't really matter who runs this game at all. A tool is a tool and a fool in my book!
In my opinion Dan left because he was burned out and because he knew the FTP crap-storm was about to hit the fan. Unfortunately things didn't work out for him at Zinga. At least he was able to get a job back at Cryptic. But let's be realistic here, I like Dan a lot but most of the fan angst was caused by him. He would tell us all these things in the Engineering Reports and Ask Cryptic and it would never come. It would just keep getting pushed back and pushed back to the point where everyone was tired of hearing about what was coming but never got here.

Dan was trying to pacify everyone by making statements he knew were not going to be true. He knew the game was going FTP 6 months ahead of the fans, and that all Cryptic's resources were focused on that, and still he'd put on Engineering Reports telling us about things that were coming in a few week - even though he knew they weren't coming. Dan wanted to make fans happy, but he only succeeded in making us distrustful and angst-ridden, IMO.

And that's not to say that I'm not glad he's back. At least with Dan we know we have an EP who likes Star Trek. I can only hope he holds back on all the promises this time around.

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In my opinion Dan left because he was burned out and because he new the FTP crap-storm was about to hit the fan. Unfortunately things didn't work out for him at Zinga. At least he was able to get a job back at Cryptic. But let's be realistic here, I like Dan a lot but most of the fan angst was caused by him. He would tell us all these things in the Engineering Reports and Ask Cryptic and it would never come. It would just keep getting pushed back and pushed back. to the point where everyone was tired of hearing about what was coming but never got here.

Dan was trying to pacify everyone by making statements he knew were not going to be true. He knew the game was going FTP 6 months ahead of the fans, and that all Cryptic's resources were focused on that, and still he'd put on Engineering Reports telling us about things that were coming in a few week - even though he knew they weren't coming. Dan wanted to make fans happy, but he only succeeded in making us distrustful and angst-ridden, IMO.

And that's not to say that I'm not glad he's back. At least with Dan we know we have an EP who likes Star Trek. I can only hope he holds back on all the promises this time around.

I do agree with just abotu all of what you said. I am also glad to see him back. Yeah, he promised us players the galaxy and couldn't even deliver a stray comet. The good thing about him being EP the first time around though was, there was more quality control. It still wasn't enough but it was a lot better than it is now. Just look at todays patch notes (http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=4047761#post4047761). They couldn't take a few seconds to fix a spelling mistake?! If that doesn't scream lazy, sad, pathetic... I don't know what does! :mad:

The best FE (in my opinion) that we've ever got in this game came from under Dan's time. The Reman series had elements in it that Dan's Trek fan side was an asset in adding to that. It may have been a long time coming but it was worth the wait. The rewards in that seriews were also decent, adding to the replayability. The Reman shield still holds up in the reward system, it introduced us to new melee weapons, had some epic parts like fighting the giant worm thing with the perfect choice in music. I'd rather wait 6 months to a year for new content that have to run garbage like Of Bajor ever again!

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So, is the Yellowstone available yet? It's still not found on the web version of the CStore...

Will it be made available for the FE today? :confused:

Jolan'tru

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So, is the Yellowstone available yet? It's still not found on the web version of the CStore...

Will it be made available for the FE today? :confused:

Jolan'tru
It's the very first thing I see listed in the website C-Store under Federation Ships.

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And that's not to say that I'm not glad he's back. At least with Dan we know we have an EP who likes Star Trek. I can only hope he holds back on all the promises this time around.
That´s a bit unfair, don´t you think?
Pretty much everybody at Cryptic that has shown his face in a vid or some other media did come off as a medium to huge Trekkie.

I will not again speculate about Dan´s eminently stupid decision to leave one of the biggest most widely know SciFi IP´s on the planet for the makers of Farmville. He sounded appropriately embarrassed about it in the latest interview.

What I really hope is that his Foundry experience and the current struggle for pumping out a weekly episode will finally make him connect the dots to truly elevate the Foundry into an STO shaping instrument.

And not just an outlet for long held back Trekkie fantasies that needs to be polished so the whining tones down.

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That´s a bit unfair, don´t you think?
Pretty much everybody at Cryptic that has shown his face in a vid or some other media did come off as a medium to huge Trekkie.
If I thought it was unfair I wouldn't have said it. I'm not one of those people on the forum who over-reacts to every little problem that pops up in the game. I'm too old and have played too many hundreds of MMOs to turn mountains into mole hills. :)

Dan is the face of STO. He's the one who wrote the ERs and answered the Ask Cryptic questions. If you want the big bucks and the big title you have to expect to be criticized for your actions, or lack of them, IMO.

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So if I have engines in my mailbox, the only thing I can really do is claim them with my alts right? I (stupidly) took them down from the exchange before the patch went up but (smartly) put them in an email to myself so in case they got bound, I would not be stuck with 3 engines on the same character. I guess all I get out of it now is engines on each of my characters huh