Picard The Best Star Fleet Captian Ever

[tylerhenry]

Why is Picard an awesome captian everyone thinks Kirk is superior but he was never Locutus of Borg?

[nynik]

It seems your repeatedly misspelling Janeway.

[zadama]

It seems your repeatedly misspelling Janeway.

Janeway? Looks more like he was trying to say, "Sisko" to me...

[radkip]

Picard never punched Q in the face. Picard never brought the Romulans and Klingons together as allies. Picard never led a fleet and won a war.

Picard? He was awesome, but at the same time very boring. He wasn't human, he was an idealistic robot with no negative qualities.

[sierrafortune]

Picard never punched Q in the face. Picard never brought the Romulans and Klingons together as allies. Picard never led a fleet and won a war.

Picard? He was awesome, but at the same time very boring. He wasn't human, he was an idealistic robot with no negative qualities.

He couldn't play a flute but seemed to think he could, and he let Wesley Crusher onto his bridge. I'd say he had some pretty large faults.

[oridjerraa]

Actually, Picard is very stubborn, and spiteful(First Contact).


I still vote Kirk, because his flaws were part of his greatest strengths.

[sovereignman]

What about Shon?

[vetteguy904]

If picard is better than Kirk how come he doesn't have a poster that says, "Jean Luc Picard... I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how Awesome I am."


and sorry, I have no desire to fly with a captain that has had TWO starships shot out from under him, AND crippled a third.

thinking about it that way, Janeway is the best ST captain.. all the others lost at least one ship......

[admrenlarreck]

Kirk had his moments, Picard had his days, but The Sisko he punched Q in the face. :D

[mikewendell]

If picard is better than Kirk how come he doesn't have a poster that says, "Jean Luc Picard... I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how Awesome I am."


Nah he has one better: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/145813-jean-luc-picard

Of course if you ask real nicely, I;m sure someone will put together an Awesome one for you.

:)

[sierrafortune]

Nah he has one better: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/145813-jean-luc-picard

Of course if you ask real nicely, I;m sure someone will put together an Awesome one for you.

:)

Personally like Sisko Memes the best

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3f6hcs0Ne1qfstn6o1_400.jpg

[freemason621]

I've never gotten to watch DS9. I've seen up to season 6 of Voyager and all of TNG.

I'm starting to like Janeway as a captain...

[cptjhunter]

Nah he has one better: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/145813-jean-luc-picard

Of course if you ask real nicely, I;m sure someone will put together an Awesome one for you.

:)

Totally for the win!:D

[nynik]

Janeway memes, full steam ahead! http://i.imgur.com/9CFUK.jpg

[disposeableh3r0]

Yes janeway was an inpressive captain for what she did, but, sisko gave us the defiant and...well my sig says it best.

[twg042370]

I just drew a cartoon about this very thing. Weird. I might just scan it and share.

[sollvax]

Archer was the Captain who achieved much with little tech
Pike was a complete wuss
Kirk was the Captain of my youth and to me at least still the best of them
Sulu was a good officer and a good captain
Picard was doing his job but should have been assigned as a diplomat not a ships commander
Riker id have had placed under close arrest and replaced with Data
Data was efficient
Siskos great failing? he had Q down and didn't finish him
Janeway ???? Psychotic dog abandoning squeeky voiced borg loving child abducting mass murderer

But the best star fleet captain EVER??

James Tiberius Kirk

[jkstocbr]

There is only one ...

Zapp Brannigan (http://imageshack.us/f/828/127434250836.jpg/)

[wast33]

as i'm aware of that this thread is senseless the more or less, cause it's about taste, i would like to take a guess ;):
for me it's more about the characters, or may the producers influence. roddenberry went from kirk to picard (also sisko in the beginning?! duno it), according to his fiction of star trek.
berman then started with letting almost everything explode. don't get me wrong. i just watched the ds9 seasons and found it an awesome professional, good series in whole (again).
all ended up with janeway, who (if you ask me) reminded me to picard in many situations.
for me picard as a character, represents the essence of what i always thougt was roddenberrys idea of star trek.
at least i grew up next generation, so i guess i'm infuenced :)...

[iconians]

Picard had the opportunity to destroy the Borg for good via genocide, but didn't. Now we're all paying the consequences of his inaction. I'm sure taking the moral high ground has been of great comfort to all family and friends of the lives lost against the Borg since then.

You're all forgetting Solok was the best captain. He beat Sisko at his own game, baseball. Vulcan superiority forever.

[disposeableh3r0]

Picard had the opportunity to destroy the Borg for good via genocide, but didn't. Now we're all paying the consequences of his inaction. I'm sure taking the moral high ground has been of great comfort to all family and friends of the lives lost against the Borg since then.

You're all forgetting Solok was the best captain. He beat Sisko at his own game, baseball. Vulcan superiority forever.

Did he tho? Solok had a clear advantage in bolth his teams experiance and their physical superiority. Sisko just had his friends who only trained for a week. so while Solok may have won the game, He didn't beat Sisko.

Solok was also a biggot and Thats a trait is unbecoming of a starfleet officer.

[iconians]

Didn't stop Kirk from being bigoted against Klingons, or McCoy calling Spock a green-blooded pointy-eared bastard. It also didn't stop Worf from being bigoted against Romulans.

Unbecoming of a starfleet officer? Please. Starfleet has bigots across the board.

And yes, Solok did beat Sisko at baseball. Scoreboard said so. Victory was solely in the hands of the Logicians.

He also got the Christopher Pike Medal of Valor twice. Sisko only got it once.

Advantage: Solok.

[disposeableh3r0]

Didn't stop Kirk from being bigoted against Klingons, or McCoy calling Spock a green-blooded pointy-eared bastard. It also didn't stop Worf from being bigoted against Romulans.

Unbecoming of a starfleet officer? Please. Starfleet has bigots across the board.

And yes, Solok did beat Sisko at baseball. Scoreboard said so. Victory was solely in the hands of the Logicians.

He also got the Christopher Pike Medal of Valor twice. Sisko only got it once.

Advantage: Solok.


Kirk distrusted klingons, He never said humans were superior.
McCoy and Spock were friends and they bickered constantly. McCoy never said he was superior to spock.
Worf Felt romulans should never be trusted, and with good reason. He never said he was superior.
Solok flat out stated and wrote multiple papers on how vulcans were superior to humans.
And commanded a ship where he only chose vulcan crew members so this also demonstrates that he believes vulcans are superior to all other races. Indeed choosing your crew based not on their merrits but on their race is racism.

Solok's more experianced physicaly stronger team beat Siskos hastily assembled team. Most of whom had never played the game before. And yes, they did win. But it wasn't because Solok was better than Sisko. Indeed we don't know what would have happened had there been a readily available group of people on DS9 who had experiance in the game. Also as you recall both he and Sisko were ejected from the game so the contest was won without them.

Yes Solok won 2 medals to Siskos one. Solok also only ever commanded one ship where as Sisko was entrusted with an entire fleet and for long periods of time was commanding a desk. When would he have the oportunity to act heroicaly in battle? We also don't know when those medals were awarded to Solok and since vulcand live twice as long as humans we don't know the timeframe in wich he was awarded said medals. we also dont know what medals Sisko was awarded after that date.

[iconians]

Bigotry is still bigotry regardless of whether or not superiority is stated or implied. And the Enterprise has had bigots regularly. Just because a racist or bigoted statement is made in jest or in friendly banter, does not make it okay. But the Enterprise embraced these bigots as the finest the Federation had to offer -- since it was the flagship of the Federation.

The T'Kumbra is not the only ship to have had a crew made up entirely of vulcans. The USS Intrepid and the USS Hera both had predominantly vulcan crews. Most of the ships we see in Star Trek are crewed mostly by humans, so it stands to reason some would be staffed mostly by vulcans, or andorians, or tellarites or whatever. This does not seem to hint at bigotry or prejudice, and has appeared enough in the franchise that it is not unusual. After all, noone complains that most of Starfleet's ships are crewed mainly by humans.

It was established in the episode that Solok was attending Starfleet Academy, and was in Sisko's class. Since they were both cadets, it can be assumed that Solok's career length was the same as Sisko's, since they had graduated together -- regardless of Solok's vulcanoid lifespan.

Sisko had plenty of opportunities to act heroically in battle during the Dominion War, and he was the tip of the spear against the Dominion, along with General Martok. Sisko was the golden boy of the Dominion War, and the fact he was not recognized more often shouldn't be taken that Sisko wasn't acting heroically, but that Solok was simply going above and beyond what Sisko had done. And what Sisko has demonstrated in the Dominion War is no small feat in of itself.

If Sisko was not willing to go up against the Logicians, he could have simply declined Solok's invitation to a baseball game and cited his lack of preparation time and his lack of skilled athletes. The odds were stacked against him from the get go, and he accepted anyway out of pride and ego. Solok had manipulated Sisko by using his emotions against him, knowing how close baseball was to his heart. Sisko instead accepted and was steadfastly adamant he could beat Solok's team because their team had heart -- where the vulcans had only cold logic. Solok once again proved his superior tactics and vulcan logic.

And Sisko was proven wrong. Solok triumphed. Best captain in Star Trek? Solok.

[disposeableh3r0]

While it is true that there is mention of crews dominated by a single species. And that humans seem to dominate starfleet. I don't think any of those ship had captaind who actively comissioned only officers and crew of a single species. It was stated that Solok and not a higher command authority crewed his ship exclusively with vulcans because he felt they were superior and was going to prove it. And yes he manipulated Sisko into that game most likely to show his superiority in a human endevor and his superiority over Sisko.
The contest itself had little to do with either of them personaly as it wasn't a contest strictly between them ( like the wrestling match that started it.) Indeed the only kind of contest that could prove wich one is superior would be one that removed their innate advantages/disadvantages and dealt with only their capacity as individuals.(IE no physical requirement no emotional requirement.) Perhaps a test like the kobiashi maru.

And the thing with medals is most times there are dozens if not hundred of people who deserve one for one reason or another and don't recieve one. (like a superior officer didn't witness the act or your superior officer didn't think it was that great) SO in actuality it is a poor measure of some ones greatness.

As for McCoy and Spok, the things said between them were indeed insults but were not generaly derogotory.

These things are mostly irrelevant tho since the argument is wether or not Solok is a bigot and wether this is unbecoming of a starfleet officer.

To me using every opportunity you get to some how prove your superiority over a group of people you are not part of, is bigotry. even if all your efforts and examples are targeted or derived from one individual, Using them as a bench mark for an entire species is at best elitist.

[mikewendell]

Best captain was Morgan Bateson. He did his job, kept his mouth shut and didn't cause any trouble.

[mustrumridcully0]

and sorry, I have no desire to fly with a captain that has had TWO starships shot out from under him, AND crippled a third.

NCC 1701 Enterprise destroyed
Bird of Prey destroyed
NCC 1701-A Enterprise A seriously damaged
Also several Constitution Class ships crippled or destroyed by the Enterprise

[disposeableh3r0]

NCC 1701 Enterprise destroyed
Bird of Prey destroyed
NCC 1701-A Enterprise A seriously damaged
Also several Constitution Class ships crippled or destroyed by the Enterprise

I think he was refering to picard.

[chrisedallen89]

JAMES T. KIRK ^_^

or SISKO!!!

Picard.... heh good luck with that.

[lilchibiclari]

If Sisko was not willing to go up against the Logicians, he could have simply declined Solok's invitation to a baseball game and cited his lack of preparation time and his lack of skilled athletes. The odds were stacked against him from the get go, and he accepted anyway out of pride and ego. Solok had manipulated Sisko by using his emotions against him, knowing how close baseball was to his heart. Sisko instead accepted and was steadfastly adamant he could beat Solok's team because their team had heart -- where the vulcans had only cold logic. Solok once again proved his superior tactics and vulcan logic.

And Sisko was proven wrong. Solok triumphed. Best captain in Star Trek? Solok.

The main complaint against Solok is that he treated the Niners' lack of preparedness as evidence of their inherent incompetence and was in every way a sore winner. He was running on pride even more than Sisko was.

[disposeableh3r0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBzoBgfm55w&list=PLEFFD0AFDDF3F2C43&index=14&feature=plpp_video


Your welcome

[cratloch]

Picard The Best Star Fleet Captian Ever

I AM THE BEST CAPTIAN EVER! And I don't even know what a Captian is. I can't bother to go back all 4 pages to see if this has already been torn apart.

[artan42]

Picard, because Patric Stewart is from the same town as me:D
But in terms of real captain, Sisko all the way.

[darthstormstrike]

I'm going to end this thread right now with the real true answer.


PETER Q. TAGGART

"Never give up! Never surrender!"

:D

[nynik]

I'm going to end this thread right now with the real true answer.


PETER Q. TAGGART

"Never give up! Never surrender!"

:D

Time to watch Galaxy Quest again! woohoo

[darthstormstrike]

Time to watch Galaxy Quest again! woohoo

I just watched it the other day. I was bored so turned on the TV. One of the premium channels was showing Rise of the Planet of the Apes but I came in the middle. So went to the OnDemand channel to queue it up from the beginning. As I was scrolling to the R's, the channel had Galaxy Quest as well. I thought I have seen Rise a few times since the last time I watched Galaxy Quest so queued that up instead. Good times. I still LOL'ed at parts. :D

[robdmc]

As far as Kirk is concerned there are reasons why most aliens in star trek are humanoid.

[bwhorton]

James T Kirk hands down....Will admit though im playing as Janeway in this game..being from Louisiana my ship is the USS Baton Rouge though im considering using Voyager as my ships name after i make admiral im at level 39 captain now...

[robdmc]

Another thing to consider is...

When, Sarek, mind, melded, with, Kirk, Kirk. hijacked, the, Enterprise, wasted, an, entire, crew, of, Klingons, stole, their ship, and, brought, Spock, back, from, the, DEAD!. When Sarek mind melded with Picard, Picard cried a lot!.

[nrobbiec]

Ugh, Captain Incompetent T. Playboy - I mean Kirk, you can tell everyone in the sixties was high when you watch TOS.

Sisko's the best Captain imo, Kirk shouldn't have even got into the Academy. :P

[darthstormstrike]

Another thing to consider is...

When, Sarek, mind, melded, with, Kirk, Kirk. hijacked, the, Enterprise, wasted, an, entire, crew, of, Klingons, stole, their ship, and, brought, Spock, back, from, the, DEAD!. When Sarek mind melded with Picard, Picard cried a lot!.

LOL.

However Sarek was full of win. He knows who to go to when he wants stuff blown up and who to go to when he needs to not cry.

[retunred4good]

The age old argument "Is Kirk the better captain, or is it Picard?" can be summed up in 6 words.... and one letter....

Sisko Punched Q In The Face.

Wouldn't that be 5 words and one letter?

[anazonda]

Wouldn't that be 5 words and one letter?

Guess technically the Q is both a word and a Letter in this context.

[disposeableh3r0]

Guess technically the Q is both a word and a Letter in this context.

Thats what I was thinking since it doesn't count as a proper name.

[dareau]

I go Kirk. partially from my youth (grew up on ToS reruns & TMP era...)

Now, onto some specifics. Kirk was briefed by his crew, and would typically run defiant to their wishes as he saved the day "Don't quote me the odds" "You're a bricklayer", etc. Picard held meetings to come up with a community solution that everyone would like and feel a part of...

Kirk was destined to do all the stuff he did on his own. Sisko's destiny was written and aided by the prophets.

Side note: on the subject of ships "blown up" on a captain's watch, so far Picard (definite) and Sisko (maybe) are the only ones who had a ship blown up "underneath" them...

Kirk sacrificed the beat-up and due for decommissioning 1701-refit, Scotty could have gotten it working if he had time. That, and his sacrifice led to the capture of the BoP. BoP crash landed but could have been salvaged/restored to duty (it was in one piece IIRC) if UFP and KDF were on friendlier terms. Even then, some sources had Kirk's BoP as the reason the UFP learned much about Klingon shipbuilding... Picard was not on 1701-D when it went up, Riker and Troi lost that one. Picard is only on the hook for Stargazer. Didn't follow latter parts of DS9, so not sure how/if Sisko was involved in destruction of Defiant...

So ships lost count: Kirk - 0. Picard - 1. Sisko - 1? Janeway - 0 (though >50% crew lost). Archer - 0.

Kirk fathered children. Janeway adopted... :P That, and Kirk's "failed" prime directive encounters always turned out favorably for the Federation, Janeway's got half a quadrant mad at the UFP.

Archer was the "closest" to Kirk, both in mission and somewhat spirit. As the "modern" era Kirk, he draws second place on the "best captain ever" list, only because he's "too inspired" by Kirk... :P

[psycoticvulcan]

My choice: Archer. He had flaws, but he battled through them and helped create the Federation. Picard was just a simple "perfect person".


im considering using Voyager as my ships name after i make admiral

You can't use "Voyager" as a ship name. It's restricted. :(

[gamegirlblue23]

Im going with Janeway because the Voyager series was always my favorite and I dont think Kirk's and Picard's crew was left stranded on a planet and survived, or got teleported into the Delta Quadrent, or libearated a Borg into their ship. There's many more reasons, but I'm not going to list them all.

[disposeableh3r0]

Im going with Janeway because the Voyager series was always my favorite and I dont think Kirk's and Picard's crew was left stranded on a planet and survived, or got teleported into the Delta Quadrent, or libearated a Borg into their ship. There's many more reasons, but I'm not going to list them all.

Picard was assimilated. Kirk was a captain at a time when the nearest starfleet vessel was brobably months away, and argued with god. Altho admiral janeway was a badass.

[godemperorphooey]

Kirk by himself isn't that great of a Captain, it's only as part of the Holy Triumvirate of Kirk, Spock, and Bones that he's the best Captain. Picard is only an OK Captain, he's too much of a European Captain, the best Captains are cowboy Kirk and The Sisko; if Janeway's megalomaniacal plans of galactic domination had ever played out, then I guess she'd be the best Captain by default, so it's a good thing Harry Kim was there to sabotage her. Archer, we don't talk about Archer... I think Porthos would've been a better Captain.

[rheatitan]

he's too much of a European Captain, .

what do you mean by that?

[godemperorphooey]

Picard seemed to embody more European socio-cultural values, he seemed very much in the mold of a European diplomat/statesman with a somewhat aristocratic bent, a strict adherence to protocol and rules, and an emotional detachment from his crew, and had a very "above the fray" sort of attitude. Whereas Kirk was very much the cowboy diplomat/leader type, a John F. Kennedy in space, not afraid to use his fists or a karate chop to solve a problem if need be, he gets in there and gets his hands dirty, he's down in the trenches with his crew, and will throw out rules and regulations if they get in the way of doing what's right or necessary; that's very American.

[gpgtx]

Sisko

he fought non-linear omnipotent aliens that where possessing his arch nemesis in a cave of fire then became one of these non-linear omnipotent aliens

[rheatitan]

Picard seemed to embody more European socio-cultural values, he seemed very much in the mold of a European diplomat/statesman with a somewhat aristocratic bent, a strict adherence to protocol and rules, and an emotional detachment from his crew, and had a very "above the fray" sort of attitude. Whereas Kirk was very much the cowboy diplomat/leader type, a John F. Kennedy in space, not afraid to use his fists or a karate chop to solve a problem if need be, he gets in there and gets his hands dirty, he's down in the trenches with his crew, and will throw out rules and regulations if they get in the way of doing what's right or necessary; that's very American.

Ah I see what you mean. I disagree though he was very close to crusher & troi and a mentor to data plus he mellowed out enough to play poker with the crew by the end of the series. He wasn't the young, dashing, life loving character that kirk was, that was left to Riker. Picard is the most realistic captain in star trek.

[markhawkman]

Rachel Garrett! (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Rachel_Garrett) she embodied what Starfleet stands for in a way we don't always see in Star Trek.

[disposeableh3r0]

Rachel Garrett! (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Rachel_Garrett) she embodied what Starfleet stands for in a way we don't always see in Star Trek.


Ahhh garett. We often forget about her but yes standing in the face of overwhelming odds to defend the defenceless without the hope of a hail mary, these are qualities rarely seen.