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11-28-2009, 09:26 PM
Ok.. here is my system... *braces for the worst*

Dell Inspiron 518

Processor(s)

Description Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz

Total Physical RAM Installed 3 GB
RAM Currently Used 33.67%
Maximum Supported 4 GB
RAM Chip 1 1024 MB DDR2-SDRAM (PC2-6400 / 800 MHz)
RAM Chip 2 512 MB DDR2-SDRAM (PC2-6400 / 800 MHz)
RAM Chip 3 1024 MB DDR2-SDRAM (PC2-6400 / 800 MHz)
RAM Chip 4 512 MB DDR2-SDRAM (PC2-6400 / 800 MHz)

I intend to upgrade my video card soon to, but Im wondering if my current one will be ok for now.

Description ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO
Chipset Compatibility ATI Technologies Inc.
Video Processor ATI display adapter (0x94C3)

It is also DX10 compatible as well.

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11-28-2009, 11:33 PM
Ok.. here is my system... *braces for the worst*

Dell Inspiron 518

Processor(s)

Description Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz

Total Physical RAM Installed 3 GB
RAM Currently Used 33.67%
Maximum Supported 4 GB
RAM Chip 1 1024 MB DDR2-SDRAM (PC2-6400 / 800 MHz)
RAM Chip 2 512 MB DDR2-SDRAM (PC2-6400 / 800 MHz)
RAM Chip 3 1024 MB DDR2-SDRAM (PC2-6400 / 800 MHz)
RAM Chip 4 512 MB DDR2-SDRAM (PC2-6400 / 800 MHz)

I intend to upgrade my video card soon to, but Im wondering if my current one will be ok for now.

Description ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO
Chipset Compatibility ATI Technologies Inc.
Video Processor ATI display adapter (0x94C3)

It is also DX10 compatible as well.
The ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO is not really a gaming card. It's more for movies and business apps. If you were just playing WOW it would be OK. You will need a new GPU. We'll probability need a new PSU too. Knowing Dell like I do the PSU is most likely no more that 285 to 325 watts.

Now the really big one is the CPU. Minimum system requirements calls for a Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 Ghz. You have a Intel E2200 Dual-Core 2.2GHz. Intel Core 2 Duo and Dual-Core are basically the same. Read this (http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/8263). The Core 2 Duo has better technology. I think you are fine. Let's see what cipher_nemo thinks.

You could go to these two sites and run the STO test. See what they said.
http://www.yougamers.com/?mainnavi=true
http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/

Remember you have 2 mos.

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11-29-2009, 12:52 AM
Im sure it's been mentioned but Champions Online is free to play till monday 11/30. Give it a try and see if your system can take it. It's the closet thing to the STO engine that you can test on that I know of.

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11-29-2009, 01:14 AM
Im sure it's been mentioned but Champions Online is free to play till monday 11/30. Give it a try and see if your system can take it. It's the closet thing to the STO engine that you can test on that I know of.

The STO hardware requirements are listed as being different than CO. Sure, they were built from the same engine, but they're different games with different graphical needs.

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11-29-2009, 01:25 AM
Im sure it's been mentioned but Champions Online is free to play till monday 11/30. Give it a try and see if your system can take it. It's the closet thing to the STO engine that you can test on that I know of.
This is the first I've heard about it. Already miss 3 days.

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11-29-2009, 01:47 AM
The STO hardware requirements are listed as being different than CO. Sure, they were built from the same engine, but they're different games with different graphical needs.

Like I said, It's the closet thing to the STO engine that you can test on that I know of. :)

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11-29-2009, 04:55 AM
Yeeeeehaw !!!
I can play this game on High settings.:p

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11-29-2009, 10:11 AM
I have someone in town helping me now, thank you for your help. I hope to join everyone in the alpha quadrant as soon as I can.

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11-29-2009, 10:22 AM
I have someone in town helping me now, thank you for your help. I hope to join everyone in the alpha quadrant as soon as I can.

Awesome. Good luck! :)

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11-29-2009, 11:26 AM
How will this PC do?

http://www.cube247.co.uk/?customise=36

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11-29-2009, 11:42 AM
How will this PC do?

http://www.cube247.co.uk/?customise=36

If you selected the option: "ATI Radeon 4650 1024MB [+£59.00 inc VAT]", you'd be fine.

I'd also strongly encourage you to get the "Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 [+£59.00 inc VAT]" and "Premium Corsair PSU [+£69.00 inc VAT]" options as well.

But with cheap PCs, or "value line" models, you do get what you pay for.

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11-29-2009, 01:36 PM
Hey, what is the difference between the 200 series and the others for NVIDIA Geforce? is the 280 simmilar to the 8800 or 9800 or something else?

Oh and I am having trouble finding one that is PCI. THey all seem to be PCI Express.

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11-29-2009, 02:12 PM
Hey, what is the difference between the 200 series and the others for NVIDIA Geforce? is the 280 simmilar to the 8800 or 9800 or something else?

Oh and I am having trouble finding one that is PCI. THey all seem to be PCI Express.

You are not going to find any of today's "gaming cards" on PCI. On APG you'll find ATI 4670's. Everything else is PCIE. GTS 250 is 10% fast then 9800 GTX.

If your system does have a PCIE slot then you most likely don't have a dual-core processor. They are require to play this game.

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11-29-2009, 05:44 PM
Im sure it's been mentioned but Champions Online is free to play till monday 11/30. Give it a try and see if your system can take it. It's the closet thing to the STO engine that you can test on that I know of.

Ok got the demo downloaded. Spent some time running around Millennium city. There didn't seem to be too many other players around so not sure how that would effect my results. At max settings running at 1280x720 I am consistently getting 50+ FPS. My specs:

2.33 GHZ C2D
8800 GT 1GB superclocked edition
2 GB DDR3 1333 MHZ ram
SATA 3 HDD
Vista Home premium

As a previous poster mentioned this may be the same engine that STO will use but is not entirely an accurate gauge as to how STO will run on your system. On a side note, does anyone that plays CO regularly get pretty bad lag at the starting area? I was getting pretty bad lag+rubber banding. This is on a 3mbps DSL connection.

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11-29-2009, 05:55 PM
Hey, what is the difference between the 200 series and the others for NVIDIA Geforce? is the 280 simmilar to the 8800 or 9800 or something else?

Oh and I am having trouble finding one that is PCI. THey all seem to be PCI Express.



I have found some pci graphic crads at this site:

http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Graphics-Video-Cards-/3762/i.html?Interface=PCI&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C 72%253A2466&_catref=1&_dmpt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=1&_sc=1

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11-29-2009, 06:11 PM
You are not going to fine any of today's "gaming cards" on PCI. On APG you'll find ATI 4670's. Everything else is PCIE. GTS 250 is 10% fast then 9800 GTX.

If your system does have a PCIE slot then you most likely don't have a dual-core processor. They are require to play this game.


Silly me, It DOES have it. everything is right except the power supply is 250 not 400.

Archived Post
11-29-2009, 07:00 PM
I have found some pci graphic crads at this site:

http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Graphics-Video-Cards-/3762/i.html?Interface=PCI&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C 72%253A2466&_catref=1&_dmpt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=1&_sc=1

But will those cards play this game? No!!!

Archived Post
11-29-2009, 07:00 PM
Silly me, It DOES have it. everything is right except the power supply is 250 not 400.
Replace the PSU.

Archived Post
11-29-2009, 07:03 PM
Ok got the demo downloaded. Spent some time running around Millennium city. There didn't seem to be too many other players around so not sure how that would effect my results. At max settings running at 1280x720 I am consistently getting 50+ FPS. My specs:

2.33 GHZ C2D
8800 GT 1GB superclocked edition
2 GB DDR3 1333 MHZ ram
SATA 3 HDD
Vista Home premium

As a previous poster mentioned this may be the same engine that STO will use but is not entirely an accurate gauge as to how STO will run on your system. On a side note, does anyone that plays CO regularly get pretty bad lag at the starting area? I was getting pretty bad lag+rubber banding. This is on a 3mbps DSL connection.

I had to lower my in game resolution to 1280x720 to be able to play this game. I also disable the comic outline and Nvidia Threaded Optimization. This game is now manageable, those I still get kick out every once in a while.

I also reduce AA to 4x and lower of other video setting. I may have to play with the video setting some more. It's most likely my ISP. My system should be able to run this a high easy but the ISP must be able to handle the packets.

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 12:25 AM
How about these Specs?:
AMD Phenom X4 9650 2.3GHz
NVIDIA 9500GT 1GB
2GB RAM
All in a computer that is only £270.

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 12:29 AM
How about these Specs?:
AMD Phenom X4 9650 2.3GHz
NVIDIA 9500GT 1GB
2GB RAM
All in a computer that is only £270.

Also is a NVIDIA GT220 512Mb better than a NVIDIA 9500GT 1GB?

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 04:14 AM
Hello again all, regarding my previous post in this thread where I said I wanted to buy a Sony Vaio VGNFW590 Nebula (http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=963255&postcount=287), ignore that.

I found a better deal at Office Depot for a Toshiba Satellite A505-S6986. After checking Futuremark.com and Notebookcheck.net and Productwiki.com for processor and graphics cards comparisons, I came to the conclusion that the Toshiba offered a better bargain (and $300 cheaper too!)

Manufacturer # PSAT3U-00X002
processor brand Intel
processor model Core 2 Duo
screen resolution 1366 x 768
operating system Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
processor speed 2.2 GHz
frontside bus speed 800 MHz
memory 4 GB, up to 8 GB total available
memory speed PC3-6400
memory type DDR3 SDRAM
video graphics nVidia GeForce GT 230M with 1GB dedicated memory, up to 2.8 GB total

I have no idea what kind of sound card, but at least the Harman/Kardon speakers are nice. Can I really add memory to the graphics card or did I read that wrong?

Thanks to White Knight and Cipher Nemo for all your help to the clueless!

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 04:47 AM
I will be able to play STO just fine. My pc has 8800 SLi and I was wondering if cryptic is thinking of supporting SLi at all?

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 06:46 AM
Those of you worried about being able to install and run STO, please visit www.canirunit.com. With STO listed, this will test your system to determine if, indeed, you meet both the minimum requirements as well as the recommended.

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11-30-2009, 07:27 AM
(...)I came to the conclusion that the Toshiba offered a better bargain (and $300 cheaper too!)

video graphics nVidia GeForce GT 230M with 1GB dedicated memory, up to 2.8 GB total

I have no idea what kind of sound card, but at least the Harman/Kardon speakers are nice. Can I really add memory to the graphics card or did I read that wrong?

Thanks to White Knight and Cipher Nemo for all your help to the clueless!

No problem, happy to help. You didn't read that wrong, but what it really means is that the additional memory can be dedicated to it from the system memory (with DX10 and above). Unfortunately STO is being released as DX9 only, so you'll only be able to use 1GB to store graphic textures. But don't fret, 1GB is plenty.

Even though the 230M is low-end for the 200 series, it should still get the job done with STO. You might have to fiddle with graphics settings to get it smooth, but should work. Laptops are never the ideal platform for gaming, and the gaming models that can comes comes to desktop performance are far too expensive. So it's a decent compromise. Your CPU, memory, and everything else are fine.

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11-30-2009, 07:30 AM
I will be able to play STO just fine. My pc has 8800 SLi and I was wondering if cryptic is thinking of supporting SLi at all?

SLI is supported by the O/S and drivers. It's not a "does this game support it" question. It's a "does this game take advantage of it" or "does this game have any hiccups with it" question. If you're not running an extremely high resolution, chances are, you'll probably only get a 10 to 30% performance boost from games not optimized for multiple video cards in SLI or Crossfire.

So yes, your SLI setup should work with STO. :)

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 09:20 AM
Is this any good?
AMD Phenom X4 9650 2.3GHz
NVIDIA 9500GT 1GB
2GB RAM

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 09:35 AM
Is this any good?
AMD Phenom X4 9650 2.3GHz
NVIDIA 9500GT 1GB
2GB RAM

Processor and memory are fine. Video card might be ok, but you'd have to turn down settings a bit.

If you want smoother gameplay when STO is released, I'd encourage you to upgrade to a GTS 250 for $135 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130513) or a 9800 GT for $109 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130435).

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11-30-2009, 10:54 AM
Those of you worried about being able to install and run STO, please visit www.canirunit.com. With STO listed, this will test your system to determine if, indeed, you meet both the minimum requirements as well as the recommended.
Don't look at that site as a a guarantee though. It told me I can't run Rome: Total War...which I happen to play almost every day, and run it very well on max settings :confused:

Also, something is a bit off with this thing when it tells me I can run Crysis: Warhead, but NOT STO....

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11-30-2009, 11:10 AM
Don't look at that site as a a guarantee though. It told me I can't run Rome: Total War...which I happen to play almost every day, and run it very well on max settings :confused:

Also, something is a bit off with this thing when it tells me I can run Crysis: Warhead, but NOT STO....

The reason why you and I and anyone else fails is because they haven't add Windows 7 to their "OS Minimum". Champion Online will fail because of that. The hardware will pass, you will just not get the cool pass graphic. I have emailed them 4 times on this.

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11-30-2009, 11:38 AM
The reason why you and I and anyone else fails is because they haven't add Windows 7 to their "OS Minimum". Champion Online will fail because of that. The hardware will pass, you will just not get the cool pass graphic. I have emailed them 4 times on this.

Yeah.

And for Firefox, you need the latest version of Java installed. I love Firefox and Javascript, but I hate Java. They should really have this in Flash, an add-on for Firefox, or even their own executable instead of a Java app. And for IE, I'd never want to run it since ActiveX is always going to be one gaping security hole.

So if you use Firefox, Opera, or Safari, you're out of luck unless you want the bloated Java engine on your PC.

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11-30-2009, 02:30 PM
this new system is sooo going to pay off, got my preorder done, now its just a waiting game, since unfortuantly i didnt get the closed beta invite i was hoping for, oh well open betas just around the corner.

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11-30-2009, 03:12 PM
Hello again all, regarding my previous post in this thread where I said I wanted to buy a Sony Vaio VGNFW590 Nebula (http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=963255&postcount=287), ignore that.

I found a better deal at Office Depot for a Toshiba Satellite A505-S6986. After checking Futuremark.com and Notebookcheck.net and Productwiki.com for processor and graphics cards comparisons, I came to the conclusion that the Toshiba offered a better bargain (and $300 cheaper too!)

Manufacturer # PSAT3U-00X002
processor brand Intel
processor model Core 2 Duo
screen resolution 1366 x 768
operating system Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
processor speed 2.2 GHz
frontside bus speed 800 MHz
memory 4 GB, up to 8 GB total available
memory speed PC3-6400
memory type DDR3 SDRAM
video graphics nVidia GeForce GT 230M with 1GB dedicated memory, up to 2.8 GB total

I have no idea what kind of sound card, but at least the Harman/Kardon speakers are nice. Can I really add memory to the graphics card or did I read that wrong?

Thanks to White Knight and Cipher Nemo for all your help to the clueless!

With Cipher Nemo on the East Coast in me on the West Coast we got pretty good coverage.

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 04:59 PM
With Cipher Nemo on the East Coast in me on the West Coast we got pretty good coverage.

Indeed. :) I used to live close to you out there in Sunnyvale, CA. I was in Hayward, Fremont, then San Mateo. Worked all over the place from as far north as Berkeley to as far south as San Jose.

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 05:31 PM
Indeed. :) I used to live close to you out there in Sunnyvale, CA. I was in Hayward, Fremont, then San Mateo. Worked all over the place from as far north as Berkeley to as far south as San Jose.
I'm from the bayarea. I did lived in Florida for 10 yrs. I don't know how people can live in cold climate areas. I almost took a job in Kansas City. I would freeze in PA. ;)

I spend the first 2 yrs of my life in Hayward then moved to San Jose.

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 05:46 PM
I'm from the bayarea. I did lived in Florida for 10 yrs. I don't know how people can live in cold climate areas. I almost took a job in Kansas City. I would freeze in PA. ;)

I spend the first 2 yrs of my life in Hayward then moved to San Jose.

Ah, lol. Yeah, after living in California for 8 years, I grew to dislike the single digit and lower temperatures! Those periods in the winter are purely hibernation days, lol. But I did miss seeing the change of seasons on the west coast. So it's a give and take. :(

San Jose is great. You're right in the heart (or rather next to it) for Silicon Valley and all of those tech jobs. I loved living in the bay area in the 90s when the dot coms flourished. Glad I'm not there during the recession.

On subject, though, I doubt any NVIDIA 6 series cards will work with STO due to shader limitations (discovered that today).

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 08:12 PM
Ok got the demo downloaded. Spent some time running around Millennium city. There didn't seem to be too many other players around so not sure how that would effect my results. At max settings running at 1280x720 I am consistently getting 50+ FPS. My specs:

2.33 GHZ C2D
8800 GT 1GB superclocked edition
2 GB DDR3 1333 MHZ ram
SATA 3 HDD
Vista Home premium

Need help deciding on my next upgrade. I'd like to be at 60+ FPS. IYO new proc (looking at 3.0ghz C2D or 2.83 C2Q), or new video card (GTX 285 or HD 5780)? ATM I see my CPU as the bottleneck but I'd like to hear any input.

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 08:37 PM
the Radeon HD 4600 and up will work on sto. if you really need to know what you need for your computer on this link:

http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/intro.aspx

im not sure if someone already posted it and if they did then this is a refresher lol.

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 08:44 PM
Hi all,

I got the new laptop Friday (HP dv8t). Specs are:
18" screen at 1920 x 1080
Intel Core i7 820 Q (that's a step up from the base i7)
Nvidia GeForce GT 230m
8 GB memory
1 TB hard drive

According to: http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/
my laptop not only will play STO but it exceeds the recommended specs (although the site goofs on the processor still)

HOWEVER, according to: http://www.yougamers.com
my laptop WILL NOT play STO! Argv! :eek:
It complains that my processor does not meet the performance requirements which I find very hard to believe and the graph shows my processor being above what is needed.

But for the graphics card it shows on the graph that mine is slightly below what is needed.

I played the free trial of Champions Online over the weekend. On recommended settings it crawled at about 10 fps, but I could tweak the settings to get almost the same appearance and get around 30 fps. On those same settings sometimes it would go into the 40s and 50s fps. This was all at 1920 x 1080. Any other resolution looked like something from the 80s.

I paid way too much for this laptop to surf the net. The only reason I bumped the specs up was because of STO. I really love everything about it. The screen is amazing. The feel of it is fantastic. My other choices would be Alienware but the 17x doesn't have the core i7 yet. I could go for the 15x (Nvidia 260m) or the HP Envy 15 (ATI 4830) but both of those obviously have smaller screens. I really do like at least 17 inch screens. So my desire is to keep this laptop. i do love it, but this latest website result is leaving me with doubts.

I don't know desktop graphic cards at all so it's hard for me to get a feel for how high end the game requirements really are.

Advice welcome! Many thanks!

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11-30-2009, 09:01 PM
Need help deciding on my next upgrade. I'd like to be at 60+ FPS. IYO new proc (looking at 3.0ghz C2D or 2.83 C2Q), or new video card (GTX 285 or HD 5780)? ATM I see my CPU as the bottleneck but I'd like to hear any input.

Sorry, I don't want to call you out but 60+ FPS is one of my favorite arguments.

I love going to Newegg and such and listening to the bragging about getting 90 FPS on WoW or whatever other game.

Just as an FYI, getting 60+ FPS is completely pointless and a waste of your money since your eyes can only see an equivalent maximum of 60 FPS.

In other words if you're getting, say 80 FPS, on your output, you're not even seeing 1 in 4 of the frames your monitor is displaying.

Sorry, like I said, this wasn't directed at you Sublime, just the generic idea of shooting for "60+ FPS"

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 09:02 PM
Which processor is better?

Intel® Core™ 2 Quad processor Q9400
or
AMD Phenom™ II X4 820 2.8GHz, 6MB

Archived Post
11-30-2009, 09:07 PM
Sorry, I don't want to call you out but 60+ FPS is one of my favorite arguments.

I love going to Newegg and such and listening to the bragging about getting 90 FPS on WoW or whatever other game.

Just as an FYI, getting 60+ FPS is completely pointless and a waste of your money since your eyes can only see an equivalent maximum of 60 FPS.

In other words if you're getting, say 80 FPS, on your output, you're not even seeing 1 in 4 of the frames your monitor is displaying.

Sorry, like I said, this wasn't directed at you Sublime, just the generic idea of shooting for "60+ FPS"

My point is I would like to be consistantly at or above 60fps (hate it when I dip below 60 and it is visably notable) but yes I do understand the perceivable threashold. My wording did not make that clear :)

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11-30-2009, 09:08 PM
Need help deciding on my next upgrade. I'd like to be at 60+ FPS. IYO new proc (looking at 3.0ghz C2D or 2.83 C2Q), or new video card (GTX 285 or HD 5780)? ATM I see my CPU as the bottleneck but I'd like to hear any input.

The HD 5780 is a better buy right now than the GTX 285 and out performs it. The GTX 295 is the only video card that outperforms the new ATI 5870. But that margin is thin. When ATI releases a 5870 X2 (dual GPU card), then that will be the performance king.

Of course you can always go SLI or Crossfire, but I wouldn't recommend it. I've been there with SLI for NVIDIA's 7 and 8 series cards. The framerate increases anywhere from 40 to 70 percent for very high resolutions, but very little for a regular or semi-high gaming resolution of 1920x1200 or less. And when you upgrade, it's twice as expensive, making a single top-end card much more appealing when it beats your existing performance with two older cards. On top of that, there's always a micro-stuttering involved. If you can tell the difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS video, then it might bug you. Most people can't, so it's not that big of a problem. But of course micro stuttering issues diminish over time with newer hardware generations and faster processing (latency, not bandwidth).

For CPU, forget Core 2 anything. Go with either an Intel Core i5, Core i7, or AMD Phenom II X4. Core i5 is easier on your wallet than i7, and has the same advancements of doing away with the front-side buss (not to mention faster, integrated memory controller on the CPU like AMD has).

Sorry, I don't want to call you out but 60+ FPS is one of my favorite arguments.

I love going to Newegg and such and listening to the bragging about getting 90 FPS on WoW or whatever other game.

Just as an FYI, getting 60+ FPS is completely pointless and a waste of your money since your eyes can only see an equivalent maximum of 60 FPS.

In other words if you're getting, say 80 FPS, on your output, you're not even seeing 1 in 4 of the frames your monitor is displaying.

Sorry, like I said, this wasn't directed at you Sublime, just the generic idea of shooting for "60+ FPS"

You want as high FPS as you can render. Even an insane 200 FPS in a game is good. Why? Because you can lock it into a v-sync at 60 FPS, then use the overhead for graphically demanding moments. Gameplay at any given FPS isn't going to remain static.

If you stick to those suggestions I made above, Sublime, you'll get your 60 FPS ride all the time. That's the key: all the time. Just because you can get 60 or so frames per second at one time doesn't mean you're getting it all the time when gaming. Graphics demands on a video card rise and fall when gaming, and so the maximum FPS does the same. The key is to keep your dips above a certain amount such as 40 or 50 FPS while maintaining enough FPS to at least match your monitor's refresh rate most of the time. A 60 Hz monitor means it can refresh 60 times a second (Hertz is a frequency that measures number of complete cycles per second). So you obviously want to make the most of that and have your game render frames that many times a second too. Anything above is wasted by your monitor, and anything below can be noticeable to some people. Anything around and below 30 FPS is noticeable to almost everyone.

Enable vertical sync in a game to reduce or eliminate "screen tearing" and keep your video card cooler since it won't need to process and render any more frames than you need when the load is light. If your framerate is higher than your monitor's refresh rate, you can notice "screen tearing" when the scene in a game is moving (ie: turning your character around). This happens because the monitor receives two or more frames for every time it can really only show one frame. When the scene in a game is moving, the two frames will most likely be different, so your monitor shows part of one frame, then part of another frame which is different. It's the monitor's way of compensating. Hence the screen tearing will be visible at a specific spot on your monitor depending upon how many frames you're rendering verses how many your monitor can show. This is much more visible on digital connections (DVI and Display Port), and less visible on analog connections (D-Sub, etc.). Also LCD monitors handle this worse than CRT monitors since tubes can typically refresh far faster in ranges from 90 Hz to 150 and up. Most LCDs are natively 60 Hz even if they "support" 75 Hz. Always keep your LCD at its native refresh rate, and to play it safe, 60 Hz is your best bet, so you want to game at 60 FPS for the smoothest gameplay.

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11-30-2009, 09:10 PM
the Radeon HD 4600 and up will work on sto. if you really need to know what you need for your computer on this link:

http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/intro.aspx

im not sure if someone already posted it and if they did then this is a refresher lol.

How accurate is "Can You Run It?" by the way? I built this system myself, but I just wanted to try CYRI for fun. According to the graph my rig is only a little bit over minimum requirements, when the only Recommended requirement I'm short of is my CPU, where I'm only .7 Ghz shy?

Not a big deal, to me, I don't require amazing graphics, just wondering what they're component weight criteria is.

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11-30-2009, 09:17 PM
According to the graph my rig is only a little bit over minimum requirements, when the only Recommended requirement I'm short of is my CPU, where I'm only .7 Ghz shy?

LOL. Say that to modders or hardware enthusiasts and you'll get the noob treatment. ;) Yeah, for gaming 700 MHz is not going to make a huge impact for overpowered CPUs today, but if your PC is already struggling to maintain barely adequate gameplay, 0.7 GHz makes a huge difference. Heck, many of the original Netbooks only a couple of years old run at just 700 MHz.

For your CPU, which model is it?

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11-30-2009, 09:19 PM
Which processor is better?

Intel® Core™ 2 Quad processor Q9400
or
AMD Phenom™ II X4 820 2.8GHz, 6MB and will this one run the game well

Don't mean to rush on this, but really need to know

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11-30-2009, 09:21 PM
Thanks Cipher, good info! You hit the nail on the head about getting 60+. Unfortunately my mobo is an x38 and wont take an i5 or i7. Although I can get a new mobo at this time I'm just looking to expand the life of my current rig until it becomes obsolete and un-upgradable.

So my current cpu-C2D 2.33
and my gfx card-8800 gt superclocked

Which upgrade do you think will give more of a performance boost in STO?

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11-30-2009, 09:23 PM
Which processor is better?

Intel® Core™ 2 Quad processor Q9400
or
AMD Phenom™ II X4 820 2.8GHz, 6MB
Don't mean to rush on this, but really need to know

It's a tough call. I'd go with the Phenom II X4 because it's simply newer technology.

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11-30-2009, 09:25 PM
Thanks Cipher, good info! You hit the nail on the head about getting 60+. Unfortunately my mobo is an x38 and wont take an i5 or i7. Although I can get a new mobo at this time I'm just looking to expand the life of my current rig until it becomes obsolete and un-upgradable.

So my current cpu-C2D 2.33
and my gfx card-8800 gt superclocked

Which upgrade do you think will give more of a performance boost in STO?

I'd upgrade the video card (even though it's a decent one) and buy a really nice aftermarket CPU cooler (if you don't already have one) and keep your CPU. Most Core 2 Duo CPUs can be overclocked a lot! The cooler will help you achieve a simple and large overclock without touching voltage or anything risky.

Get a GTX 260 for a decent upgrade on that: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150398 for $190.

EDIT: Fixed Link.

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11-30-2009, 09:30 PM
I'd upgrade the video card (even though it's a decent one) and buy a really nice aftermarket CPU cooler (if you don't already have one) and keep your CPU. Most Core 2 Duo CPUs can be overclocked a lot! The cooler will help you achieve a simple and large overclock without touching voltage or anything risky.

Get a GTX 260 for a decent upgrade on that: http://forums.startrekonline.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=1035140 for $190.

Right on. Thanks Cipher

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11-30-2009, 09:44 PM
Right on. Thanks Cipher

No problem. :) Enjoy the upgrade!

For the CPU cooler on a Core 2 Duo with an LGA 775 socket, if you're interested in doing a little work of changing a CPU cooler (not an easy task for the average user... some get frustrated or damage something), here's my recommendations:

Expensive, but a top performer: $60 Tuniq CR-T120 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154008)
Expensive, but a top performer: $50 Tuniq Tower 120 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835154001) ($40 after $10 MIR)
Excellent value, great performer: $37 Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134) (free shipping)
Excellent value, solid performer: $29 Scythe Katana 3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185096) (free shipping)

I've used many, many Arctic Cooling and Scythe CPU coolers and have been very happy with all of them for price to performance ratio. I've even used top-end models from of these two manufacturers... they're top performers. I've never used Tuniq coolers, but their Tower 120 held the best CPU cooler position for a long time, and every review of Tuniq's top-end coolers gushes about how well they perform. Their CR-T120 looks especially interesting due to its fin design. Tuniq makes cheap but adequate coolers for their low-end, yet for their top-end, they truly shine.

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11-30-2009, 09:45 PM
I got the new laptop Friday (HP dv8t).

Nvidia GeForce GT 230m

HOWEVER, according to: http://www.yougamers.com my laptop WILL NOT play STO! Argg! :eek:
It complains that my processor does not meet the performance requirements which I find very hard to believe and the graph shows my processor being above what is needed.

But for the graphics card it shows on the graph that mine is slightly below what is needed.

I played the free trial of Champions Online over the weekend. On recommended settings it crawled at about 10 fps, but I could tweak the settings to get almost the same appearance and get around 30 fps. On those same settings sometimes it would go into the 40s and 50s fps. This was all at 1920 x 1080. Any other resolution looked like something from the 80s.


Hi fatTribble, 2 maybe 3 points about your gaming rig.

If you check out this page (http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-230M.17646.0.html) it says your graphics card should be okay, maybe you can run STO on medium or low graphics. Correct me if I'm wrong but 30 fps is decent right?

I know because I was comparison shopping yesterday... the GT 230M is in the Toshiba I plan to buy at Office Depot in 2 days. Hate to break it to you but you might have overpaid. The laptop as is, will be more than enough to run pretty much any application you want esp. movie editing and FPS games. But the card is mid-range.

Do you know how to open up a computer? You should swap the graphics card for something better. According to Futuremark.com (you can run benchmark tests also if you like) the GTX 260M and its desktop version GTX 260 really haul ass.

And before I leave this to the experts, I bought an HP about 3 years ago and it turned out to be a lemon. It's a six pound paperweight sitting in a closet and I will never buy another American computer again; d*** it I am out 1,799 bucks!! Grrr

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11-30-2009, 09:49 PM
Do you know how to open up a computer? You should swap the graphics card for something better. According to Futuremark.com (you can run benchmark tests also if you like) the GTX 260M and its desktop version GTX 260 really haul ass.

His laptop will have a replaceable graphics card? Very nice. If so, that's a keeper. Upgrade to the GTX 260M as KC said and you'll be smokin' fast. Don't worry about the CPU... it's fine.

EDIT:

Hi all,

I got the new laptop Friday (HP dv8t). Specs are:
18" screen at 1920 x 1080
Intel Core i7 820 Q (that's a step up from the base i7)
Nvidia GeForce GT 230m
8 GB memory
1 TB hard drive

After finding the post and looking at the specs, you'll have a Core i7 (I was confusing with someone else who had a dual-core mobile CPU. The i7 is pretty much THE best CPU series you can get right now.

With a GTX 260M upgrade, 8GB of RAM, a Core i7, and 1920x1080 gaming resolution, it's a laptop to drool over. Do yourself a favor and upgrade that video card (if possible?) as KC suggested. Then you'll have a top performer gaming laptop. It rocks.

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11-30-2009, 09:51 PM
It's a tough call. I'd go with the Phenom II X4 because it's simply newer technology.

they basically the same then?

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11-30-2009, 09:59 PM
they basically the same then?

They're similar, but not at all the same because one is an Intel CPU and the other an AMD. They have very different architectures since they're from different manufacturers and from different generations. The Quad core Intel is much older, but it's at the top of its class for the model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#.22Yorkfield-6M.22_.2845_nm.29, so a great performer. The AMD is brand-spanking new as a Phenom II X4, but it's near the middle of its own class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Phenom_microprocessors). Black Editions in the Phenom II X4 series are the gems that compete with Core i5 and i7, though the i7 pretty much trumps all.

I'd just choose the Phenom II X4 CPU because you'll have a system that can swap out with an even better Phenom II or later in the future.

EDIT: It looks like the Phenom II X4 you mention is the AM2+ socket, not the AM3 socket as so many other Phenom II X4 CPUs are. Hence I'd try to see if you can get any of the others listed in the link I gave you with the AM3 socket. If not, and in light of this, I'd still get the Phenom II X4 over the Core 2 Quad CPU.

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11-30-2009, 10:02 PM
okay.. cause if there were basically the same.. i would of just said screw it and went for an alienware with an i7-920

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11-30-2009, 10:05 PM
okay.. cause if there were basically the same.. i would of just said screw it and went for an alienware with an i7-920

I edited my post with a recent finding above. If Alienware sells Core i5 systems I'd basically go for that. Core i7 will be overkill, and Core i5 will still future-proof you a bit.

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11-30-2009, 10:07 PM
G'night folks, time to get to bed. :)

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11-30-2009, 10:09 PM
G'night folks, time to get to bed. :)

Thanks for the help

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11-30-2009, 10:12 PM
I edited my post with a recent finding above. If Alienware sells Core i5 systems I'd basically go for that. Core i7 will be overkill, and Core i5 will still future-proof you a bit.

they don't.. at least not what i can find

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12-01-2009, 01:59 AM
With Cipher Nemo on the East Coast and me on the West Coast we got pretty good coverage.

LOL
But what about the poor gamers in the UK, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, and Down Under??

I hope someone will step up in the next 2 months :D

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12-01-2009, 07:28 AM
they don't.. at least not what i can find

Then it's a choice for you to think about. :) All of the CPUs you mentioned will run STO just fine. The rest is just how much you want to pay to make your PC more upgradable in the future.

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12-01-2009, 02:51 PM
So since my last post... I have upgraded from a Radeon HD 2400 Pro to a Radeon HD 4350. Its the best card I could get that my power supply can support, and it was fairly well priced.

ATI Radeon HD 4350
Chipset Compatibility ATI Technologies Inc.
Video Processor ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x954F)
Driver Version 8.01.01.899

The only thing im still confused about is my CPU. The game requirements call for (recommended) a

CPU: Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo or AMD Athlon X2 5600+

My CPU is a

Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz

While it appears to be above the minimum... Im not sure how it will fair if I want to turn up the juice in the game.

So... whats the diff between a duel core (what I have) and a core 2 duo? Newb question I know, but a little clarification never hurts anyone!:)

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12-01-2009, 03:00 PM
My CPU is a

Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz

While it appears to be above the minimum... Im not sure how it will fair if I want to turn up the juice in the game.

So... whats the diff between a duel core (what I have) and a core 2 duo? Newb question I know, but a little clarification never hurts anyone!:)

You have a value line dual-core CPU.

The Pentium dual-core E2200 isn't really a Core 2 Duo. So you just barely meet minimum requirements. But your system will probably run STO just fine.

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12-01-2009, 03:05 PM
You have a value line dual-core CPU.

The Pentium dual-core E2200 isn't really a Core 2 Duo. So you just barely meet minimum requirements. But your system will probably run STO just fine.

Thanks for the quick reply Cipher. Im happy that STO should be fine on my system, but perhaps ill look into upgrading from "bargain bin" CPU land, to something that will fair much better later. I suppose upgrading my CPU depends on what my mother board can support?

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12-01-2009, 03:10 PM
Thanks for the quick reply Cipher. Im happy that STO should be fine on my system, but perhaps ill look into upgrading from "bargain bin" CPU land, to something that will fair much better later. I suppose upgrading my CPU depends on what my mother board can support?

Correct. If your motherboard is a standard LGA 775 socket with memory in the range of DDR2-800 to DDR2-1200 or so, you'll be fine and can probably upgrade to any Core 2 CPU (Core 2 includes Dual and Quad core CPUs). In the worst case scenario, you have a cheap motherboard that might need a BIOS update to support Core 2 CPUs.

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12-01-2009, 03:14 PM
Thanks again Cipher! Ive recieved more understandable information from you in 10 minutes than I get in an hour with dell support!:D

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12-01-2009, 03:27 PM
Thanks again Cipher! Ive recieved more understandable information from you in 10 minutes than I get in an hour with dell support!:D

Awesome! Glad to help. :)

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12-01-2009, 04:50 PM
His laptop will have a replaceable graphics card? Very nice. If so, that's a keeper. Upgrade to the GTX 260M as KC said and you'll be smokin' fast. Don't worry about the CPU... it's fine.

EDIT:



After finding the post and looking at the specs, you'll have a Core i7 (I was confusing with someone else who had a dual-core mobile CPU. The i7 is pretty much THE best CPU series you can get right now.

With a GTX 260M upgrade, 8GB of RAM, a Core i7, and 1920x1080 gaming resolution, it's a laptop to drool over. Do yourself a favor and upgrade that video card (if possible?) as KC suggested. Then you'll have a top performer gaming laptop. It rocks.

Thanks for the feedback cipher_nmo and Captain_KC. Sorry to hear you haven't had good luck with HP. I've had HPs and Dells and have had good luck with both in the past.

I have not heard of a laptop graphics card being upgradeable. it certainly wasn't advertised as a feature. My understanding was that the graphics card is usual soldered directly to the motherboard. I'm reasonably technical but soldering my motherboard would be outside of my comfort zone.

The canyourun it site says this laptop will exceed the recommended specs. But yourgamers.com says it won't run at all. I'll go out on a limb here and say one of them is wrong. :cool:

I just wish I knew which site to believe. I'd get the alienware m17x if it had the new processor.

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12-01-2009, 04:59 PM
Thanks for the feedback cipher_nmo and Captain_KC. Sorry to hear you haven't had good luck with HP. I've had HPs and Dells and have had good luck with both in the past.

I have not heard of a laptop graphics card being upgradeable. it certainly wasn't advertised as a feature. My understanding was that the graphics card is usual soldered directly to the motherboard. I'm reasonably technical but soldering my motherboard would be outside of my comfort zone.

The canyourun it site says this laptop will exceed the recommended specs. But yourgamers.com says it won't run at all. I'll go out on a limb here and say one of them is wrong. :cool:

I just wish I knew which site to believe. I'd get the alienware m17x if it had the new processor.

Some high-end laptops do have replaceable graphics modules (loosely referred to as "cards", but that is misleading). I'm really not sure if yours does or not but KC mentioned it. But correct, most laptops have GPUs and corresponding chipsets and video memory soldering to their system board. It would be great to find out that yours is top-end with a replaceable graphics module. I have no clue which models and brands have these, though, so I'd research it if I were you.

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12-01-2009, 06:19 PM
I have one or two questions relating to these system requirements.

I am have a Dell XPS M1530 specifications as follows:

Intel Core 2 Duo T8300 @ 2.40GHz / 3mb L2 Cache / 800MHz FSB
4096mb DDR2 667MHz RAM (Samsung)
Samsung 320GB 5400rpm / 16mb cache
Nvidia GeForce 8600m GT GDDR3
15.4" 1440x900 resolution screen

Vista Home Premium 64-bit soon to be Windows 7 Professional 64-bit.

So as far as i can tell i more than meet the system requirements, in most areas, the only shady area being on the Graphics Card. Obviously the 8600m GT is a generation newer but still a notebook card. Comparing the two on gpureview.com the 7950GT AGP does outperform the 8600m GT on most of the hardware aspects, but does anybody have any idea of this in practice?

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12-01-2009, 07:23 PM
I have one or two questions relating to these system requirements.

I am have a Dell XPS M1530 specifications as follows:

Intel Core 2 Duo T8300 @ 2.40GHz / 3mb L2 Cache / 800MHz FSB
4096mb DDR2 667MHz RAM (Samsung)
Samsung 320GB 5400rpm / 16mb cache
Nvidia GeForce 8600m GT GDDR3
15.4" 1440x900 resolution screen

Vista Home Premium 64-bit soon to be Windows 7 Professional 64-bit.

So as far as i can tell i more than meet the system requirements, in most areas, the only shady area being on the Graphics Card. Obviously the 8600m GT is a generation newer but still a notebook card. Comparing the two on gpureview.com the 7950GT AGP does outperform the 8600m GT on most of the hardware aspects, but does anybody have any idea of this in practice?

The 7950 GT is more powerful then the 8600m. The x600 series GPU are the entry level gaming card in each series since the 6000 series. The x900 series are the gaming cards. The 7950 GT and the 7950 GX2 were the high end cards till the 8800 GT.

The 7950 GT AGP has 24 Pipes vs 8600m 16. Also you can't possibly believe that your integrated chip can be more powerful then a graphic card. Think about it. Little chip, BIG card. Which one holds more stuff. You could have a GTX 260m and the 9800 GT will still be more powerful. The amount of heat the little chip would have to generate to perform as good as a card would fried a laptop. What you are getting is the technology but not the same performs.

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12-01-2009, 07:26 PM
Is my nvidea geforce 8400 GS good enough for this game??

Guys im not good with computers so just curious if my gaming laptop can play it. intel extreme core 2 duo, 2.6 ghz. only 512 ram right now but im upgrading to 3 gigs after christmas. nvidia geforce 8800m gtx. its a laptop, just curious im sure it will more than fine but i dont want the time of the game to come out and be completly screwed on playing. i play fallout 3 with no issues.

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12-01-2009, 07:29 PM
Guys im not good with computers so just curious if my gaming laptop can play it. intel extreme core 2 duo, 2.6 ghz. only 512 ram right now but im upgrading to 3 gigs after christmas. nvidia geforce 8800m gtx. its a laptop, just curious im sure it will more than fine but i dont want the time of the game to come out and be completly screwed on playing. i play fallout 3 with no issues.

That sounds to me like an Alienware, or one of the larger Dell XPS line. If i remember correctly, the 8800m GTX is actually the desktop 8800 GT. As long as you upgrade the RAM you'll be fine.

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12-01-2009, 07:38 PM
Guys im not good with computers so just curious if my gaming laptop can play it. intel extreme core 2 duo, 2.6 ghz. only 512 ram right now but im upgrading to 3 gigs after christmas. nvidia geforce 8800m gtx. its a laptop, just curious im sure it will more than fine but i dont want the time of the game to come out and be completly screwed on playing. i play fallout 3 with no issues.

It will play on that GPU, but at medium graphic. Upgrade your RAM. Check out these 2 sites and run the STO test.
http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/
http://www.yougamers.com/?mainnavi=true

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12-01-2009, 07:47 PM
It will play on that GPU, but at medium graphic. Upgrade your RAM. Check out these 2 sites and run the STO test.
http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/
http://www.yougamers.com/?mainnavi=true

Both of those sites say that my system reaches the minimum requirements for STO

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12-01-2009, 07:52 PM
Both of those sites say that my system reaches the minimum requirements for STO
Yes, but who wants to play at minimum requirement. You lose points because it's a laptop. Graphic set at low playing at 600x800. You could wait and play this game and see how will it plays. But your laptop is dated and there are good deals on new laptops now.

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12-01-2009, 07:55 PM
Yes, but who wants to play at minimum requirement. Graphic set at low playing at 600x800. You could wait and play this game and see how will it plays. But your laptop is dated and there are good deals on new laptops now.

As a University Student, i not exactly in the financial situation to spend some £800 on a new notebook.

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12-01-2009, 08:00 PM
As a University Student, i not exactly in the financial situation to spend some £800 on a new notebook.
You could sell a kidney. Lol:D

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12-01-2009, 08:02 PM
As a University Student, i not exactly in the financial situation to spend some £800 on a new notebook.
You're from England. I can't what for the last two Doctor Who.

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12-01-2009, 08:02 PM
We do in the UK pay a lot more for Computers in general than you do in the USA.

As an example of this, during a trip to Florida over the Summer (which is where all my money in fact went), i bought an Acer Aspire One D250 for $280, now i would have been paying £260 in the UK for the exact same notebook.

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12-01-2009, 08:10 PM
We do in the UK pay a lot more for Computers in general than you do in the USA.

As an example of this, during a trip to Florida over the Summer (which is where all my money in fact went), i bought an Acer Aspire One D250 for $280, now i would have been paying £260 in the UK for the exact same notebook.
I had to find a currency converter tool. That $392 US. Do you have any friends in the US to buy this for you? Oh, I thought the dollar suck right now around the world.

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12-01-2009, 08:48 PM
Yeah it does, but like i said i don't have the money. I ended up sinking everything i had into that trip. Although it was a hell of a trip, i went with a group of other students from my University to watch the Space Shuttle launch at Kennedy Space Centre in August (STS-128). There are only going to be another 5 of those launches too. xD

I am eligable to a new Computer from the University due to my Dyslexia, so i am going to try and get a Dell Desktop, which i can then obviously upgrade the graphics card.

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12-02-2009, 12:37 AM
hell i can play this on my laptop just fine nice to see

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12-02-2009, 12:48 AM
Yeah it does, but like i said i don't have the money. I ended up sinking everything i had into that trip. Although it was a hell of a trip, i went with a group of other students from my University to watch the Space Shuttle launch at Kennedy Space Centre in August (STS-128). There are only going to be another 5 of those launches too. xD

I am eligable to a new Computer from the University due to my Dyslexia, so i am going to try and get a Dell Desktop, which i can then obviously upgrade the graphics card.

Maybe they can get you something a lil better like an Atari 2600 or something

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12-02-2009, 07:13 AM
Do not feed the trolls. Thank you, carry on. :)

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12-02-2009, 07:39 AM
I would just like some help. T

he systems requirements for the game are good for me as I have AMD X2 5600+ with NVideo 9800 GT Graphic card. So it should play. But I was wondering what would be better:

1. a larger CPU (a AMD Quad processor)
or 2. a second SATA HDD with Windows 7.

I would be very thankful for any suggestions. :D

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12-02-2009, 08:30 AM
I would just like some help. T

he systems requirements for the game are good for me as I have AMD X2 5600+ with NVideo 9800 GT Graphic card. So it should play. But I was wondering what would be better:

1. a larger CPU (a AMD Quad processor)
or 2. a second SATA HDD with Windows 7.

I would be very thankful for any suggestions. :D
At this time no ones really knows how this game will run. Now the Phenom's are 25% faster then the X2 CPU. I went to yougamers.com (http://www.yougamers.com/?mainnavi=true) and ran the Champion Online test and it told me I needed a AMD Phenom II X4 910 to "Optimized" my system. I don't believe I need this processor to run this game. We been using Champion Online as a benchmark since it uses the same game engine. STO will be more graphically be demanding the CO. We do know from the specs that this game has been design to run off dual-core's. We just don't know if it will take full advantage of the Quad processor.

That being said if you have the money I would go the Phenom II X4 just for the flexibility of multitasking. Also use a MB with AMD 750 SB chipset for better power management.

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12-02-2009, 08:48 AM
OK, quick poll.

What are the best ships so far? :D

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12-02-2009, 08:54 AM
OK, quick poll.

What are the best ships so far? :D
Wrong place to post that question. It's already been posted in Ten Forward and Star Trek Online Discussion. Please don't hijack threads. That's consider rued and against forum's rules.

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12-02-2009, 08:55 AM
Well I have just looked at YouGamers.com and the check I am okay. So I will be going for the HDD and Windows 7 option.

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12-02-2009, 09:09 AM
Well I have just looked at YouGamers.com and the check I am okay. So I will be going for the HDD and Windows 7 option.
I've been thinking of replacing my OS HDD. It's 3 yrs old and older tech. Temped to go with a SSD. Those a WD Black would be a big improvement.

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12-02-2009, 09:47 AM
I've been thinking of replacing my OS HDD. It's 3 yrs old and older tech. Temped to go with a SSD. Those a WD Black would be a big improvement.

I've been all over the map with my PC. At one time I was running one WD Black HDD for my boot drive, then I was using an OCZ Vertex SSD, then a RAID array of these SSDs, then a raid array of WD Black HDDs.

OCZ Vertex is one of the best performers in OCZ's product line (aside from brand new models or the EX line of extremely expensive SLC SSDs). And still, I can notice the slight SSD hiccup when using SSDs for where my Windows 7 is installed, even with a RAID array of 4 drives. Even with a firmware update to each drive and clean install, I noticed the hiccups for the notorious SSD stutter.

So I switched to my WD Black drives in RAID 0 for my OS install and use my SSDs for just games and applications like STO, Photoshop, etc. Works great, and no hiccups/stuttering when your OS is not on SSDs.

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12-02-2009, 11:06 AM
I've been all over the map with my PC. At one time I was running one WD Black HDD for my boot drive, then I was using an OCZ Vertex SSD, then a RAID array of these SSDs, then a raid array of WD Black HDDs.

OCZ Vertex is one of the best performers in OCZ's product line (aside from brand new models or the EX line of extremely expensive SLC SSDs). And still, I can notice the slight SSD hiccup when using SSDs for where my Windows 7 is installed, even with a RAID array of 4 drives. Even with a firmware update to each drive and clean install, I noticed the hiccups for the notorious SSD stutter.

So I switched to my WD Black drives in RAID 0 for my OS install and use my SSDs for just games and applications like STO, Photoshop, etc. Works great, and no hiccups/stuttering when your OS is not on SSDs.
Good ideal. I need to get a cheap RAID controller for the SSD. What controller are you using?

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12-02-2009, 11:38 AM
Good ideal. I need to get a cheap RAID controller for the SSD. What controller are you using?

I was planning on getting an Adaptec RAID controller for a PCI Express slot (the real one with RAID on a chip, not through software), but they're just so expensive. So while I was pondering that, I just ran the RAID off of my motherboard (Intel ICH10's southbridge chip w/ built-in RAID). And that worked fine. So then to get all 6 drives on the motherboard, 4 run off the ICH10's chip, and 2 run off the JMicron RAID controller on my EVGA X58 A1 motherboard.

I'm usually a supported of dedicated, hardware-based RAID controllers, but I have yet to experience any problems with either of these built in ones. And they're decently fast too. The advantage of hardware RAID is that no processing is being offloaded to the CPU. But with a Core i7, the overhead is nominal.

So my motherboard is maxed out on used SATA ports. For my DVD burner/Blu-Ray drive I had to run it off the eSATA port that's on the motherboard, but fortunately still "internal". So all 7 of my SATA ports are filled. :(

Oh well, I don't foresee a need for any more drives or RAID arrays, lol.

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12-02-2009, 04:29 PM
I was planning on getting an Adaptec RAID controller for a PCI Express slot (the real one with RAID on a chip, not through software), but they're just so expensive. So while I was pondering that, I just ran the RAID off of my motherboard (Intel ICH10's southbridge chip w/ built-in RAID). And that worked fine. So then to get all 6 drives on the motherboard, 4 run off the ICH10's chip, and 2 run off the JMicron RAID controller on my EVGA X58 A1 motherboard.

I'm usually a supported of dedicated, hardware-based RAID controllers, but I have yet to experience any problems with either of these built in ones. And they're decently fast too. The advantage of hardware RAID is that no processing is being offloaded to the CPU. But with a Core i7, the overhead is nominal.

So my motherboard is maxed out on used SATA ports. For my DVD burner/Blu-Ray drive I had to run it off the eSATA port that's on the motherboard, but fortunately still "internal". So all 7 of my SATA ports are filled. :(

Oh well, I don't foresee a need for any more drives or RAID arrays, lol.
I have my DVD's on the IDE. that frees my 8 SATA ports for the HDDs. There are IDE/SATA converts so you could run your DVD off the IDE.

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12-02-2009, 07:55 PM
Ok.. so I just looked up the socket type on my cpu, which is a LGA775. and it takes 65watts.

The recomended cpu for STO is a CPU: Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo, which is also a LGA775 socket. 65 watts for that one to. Am I safe to upgrade to the recommended CPU?

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12-02-2009, 09:46 PM
I have my DVD's on the IDE. that frees my 8 SATA ports for the HDDs. There are IDE/SATA converts so you could run your DVD off the IDE.

Thanks. Unfortunately wouldn't help me with my RAID arrays to add another drive since the eSATA port I have my optical drive on is not a port that works with either RAID controller.

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12-02-2009, 09:47 PM
Ok.. so I just looked up the socket type on my cpu, which is a LGA775. and it takes 65watts.

The recomended cpu for STO is a CPU: Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo, which is also a LGA775 socket. 65 watts for that one to. Am I safe to upgrade to the recommended CPU?

If you have an LGA775 socket system, you're most likely fine. Some low-end Pentium D and E CPUs can run on that socket, but none of those are 65W CPUs, so you're probably ok.

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12-02-2009, 11:00 PM
Ok.. so I just looked up the socket type on my cpu, which is a LGA775. and it takes 65watts.

The recomended cpu for STO is a CPU: Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo, which is also a LGA775 socket. 65 watts for that one to. Am I safe to upgrade to the recommended CPU?
What is your make/model of your PC? You should see if there a BIOS update.

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12-02-2009, 11:13 PM
Ok.. so I just looked up the socket type on my cpu, which is a LGA775. and it takes 65watts.

The recomended cpu for STO is a CPU: Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo, which is also a LGA775 socket. 65 watts for that one to. Am I safe to upgrade to the recommended CPU?
If you have an LGA775 socket system, you're most likely fine. Some low-end Pentium D and E CPUs can run on that socket, but none of those are 65W CPUs, so you're probably ok.

After researching this further, I've concluded that it's not a safe guess. There are a plethora of CPUs for LGA775 sockets that match the 65W TDP spec...

Celeron 4x5
Celeron E1xxx
Celeron E3xxx
Pentium E2xxx
Pentium E5xxx
Pentium E6xxx
Core 2 Duo E4xxx
Core 2 Duo E6xxx
Core 2 Duo E7xxx
Core 2 Duo E8xxx
Core 2 Quad Q7xxx
Core 2 Quad Q8xxx
Core 2 Quad Q9xxxS
Core 2 Extreme X6xxx
Xeon 31x0
Xeon 31x3

IOW, needs more information to check to see what you have. Intel Celeron E to Intel Core 2 Extreme and Xeon is a HUGE range.

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12-02-2009, 11:25 PM
After researching this further, I've concluded that it's not a safe guess. There are a plethora of CPUs for LGA775 sockets that match the 65W TDP spec...

Celeron 4x5
Celeron E1xxx
Celeron E3xxx
Pentium E2xxx
Pentium E5xxx
Pentium E6xxx
Core 2 Duo E4xxx
Core 2 Duo E6xxx
Core 2 Duo E7xxx
Core 2 Duo E8xxx
Core 2 Quad Q7xxx
Core 2 Quad Q8xxx
Core 2 Quad Q9xxxS
Core 2 Extreme X6xxx
Xeon 31x0
Xeon 31x3

IOW, needs more information to check to see what you have. Intel Celeron E to Intel Core 2 Extreme and Xeon is a HUGE range.

I am glade you see this. That's why I always ask for make/model. The MB must be able to support new hardware.

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12-03-2009, 10:26 AM
Hey y'all. I decided based on your advice to just spend the money on a brand new PC tower ( I already have an HD monitor) Here's the specs, thanks for all your advice along the line!

HP Pavilion Elite e9200z PC
• Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
• AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s]
• 6GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
• 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
• 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 220 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]
• LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
• Premium Wireless-N LAN card
• 15-in-1 memory card reader, 1 USB, 1394, audio
• Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
• HP multimedia keyboard and HP optical mouse
• Microsoft(R) Works 9.0
• Norton Internet Security(TM) 2010 - 15 month
• HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope

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12-03-2009, 10:36 AM
Hey y'all. I decided based on your advice to just spend the money on a brand new PC tower ( I already have an HD monitor) Here's the specs, thanks for all your advice along the line!

HP Pavilion Elite e9200z PC
• Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
• AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s]
• 6GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
• 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
• 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 220 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]
• LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
• Premium Wireless-N LAN card
• 15-in-1 memory card reader, 1 USB, 1394, audio
• Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
• HP multimedia keyboard and HP optical mouse
• Microsoft(R) Works 9.0
• Norton Internet Security(TM) 2010 - 15 month
• HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope

Looks like a very nice PC... except for the video card. As is, it will run STO, but the graphics settings will have to be tweaked with that GT 220 card. I'd recommend a GTS 250 with that PC.

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12-03-2009, 10:55 AM
Hey y'all. I decided based on your advice to just spend the money on a brand new PC tower ( I already have an HD monitor) Here's the specs, thanks for all your advice along the line!

HP Pavilion Elite e9200z PC
• Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
• AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s]
• 6GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
• 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
• 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 220 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]
• LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
• Premium Wireless-N LAN card
• 15-in-1 memory card reader, 1 USB, 1394, audio
• Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
• HP multimedia keyboard and HP optical mouse
• Microsoft(R) Works 9.0
• Norton Internet Security(TM) 2010 - 15 month
• HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope

cipher_nemo is right. That video should be replace. I see that HP store doesn't offer a better Nvidia graphic card (I am assuming you are getting it there). They do offer the ATI Radeon HD 4850 which would be great. It just doesn't support nvidia's physx which is a non-issue with STO and most games right now. You could try calling HP's 800 # and see if they can get you a better nvidia card if you really one.

You could also see if you have a local computer store and see if they can built one. You can bring the specs here. cipher_nemo and I can tell you if the specs they offer you are good. I assume that you are in New Jersey. Microcenter (http://www.microcenter.com/index.html) is a good place. They can built you a good system.

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12-03-2009, 10:59 AM
Yeah, I was building it at the HP store, and I don't terribly mind that the settings may have to be tweaked. I didn't exactly have unlimited money to build it. :P If the sliders for detail aren't at the max, I won't be shocked.

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12-03-2009, 11:04 AM
Yeah, I was building it at the HP store, and I don't terribly mind that the settings may have to be tweaked. I didn't exactly have unlimited money to build it. :P If the sliders for detail aren't at the max, I won't be shocked.
Check out microcenter. Show them your the HP specs, they may be able to do you better.

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12-03-2009, 11:08 AM
Yeah, I was building it at the HP store, and I don't terribly mind that the settings may have to be tweaked. I didn't exactly have unlimited money to build it. :P If the sliders for detail aren't at the max, I won't be shocked.
There are ways to save money. You can get a dual-core, get only 4GB of ram, smaller HDD. The graphic card is more important for gaming.

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12-03-2009, 11:18 AM
I just got an email from System Requirements Lab (http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/intro.aspx). They fix the CO test.

Hi John

Thanks for taking the time and effort to contact us about the System Requirements Lab. We definitely strive to make the SRL as accurate as possible and with all the new hardware it is an ongoing effort. But getting help from good webizens such as yourself really helps.

We just made the change to add Windows 7 (also made a few other changes since they modified the requirements). Really appreciate your help – especially since publishers are being slow supporting Windows 7.

And if you have any other ideas, suggestions, critiques about the service, please contact me directly.

Thanks again for contacting us.

John Hussey

System Requirements Lab

Husdawg, LLC

It's good to know they actually listen.:D

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12-03-2009, 08:44 PM
Yeah, I was building it at the HP store, and I don't terribly mind that the settings may have to be tweaked. I didn't exactly have unlimited money to build it. :P If the sliders for detail aren't at the max, I won't be shocked.

Yeah, I know everyone wants to save money these days. No worries. That 220 will work with STO and let you play it. In the future, when you do have a bigger budget, I'd upgrade that video card before doing anything else.

I just on a email from System Requirements Lab (http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/intro.aspx). They fix the CO test.

Nice. :)

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12-04-2009, 04:27 PM
I have a Radeon X 1650 Pro...I'm guessing this is insufficient?

If it is, I'm looking at upgrading to a GeForce 9500 GT, which would work, right?

Everything else is fine, it's the graphics card I'm not sure about.

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12-04-2009, 05:16 PM
I have a Radeon X 1650 Pro...I'm guessing this is insufficient?

If it is, I'm looking at upgrading to a GeForce 9500 GT, which would work, right?

Everything else is fine, it's the graphics card I'm not sure about.

You'll want a 9600 GT or better. The 9500 GT is not a gaming card, but STO will play with that card at low graphic settings. You can also use a ATI HD 4650.

It would play better with a 9800 GT or GTS 250. ATI 4850 would also be a really good choice. Just for these cards you would need a PSU that is 450 WATTS and have a PCIE cable.

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12-04-2009, 05:30 PM
What is the time frame for a Mac Version of STO? I tossed out all my windows systems so I have to wait for Mac.

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12-04-2009, 05:50 PM
What is the time frame for a Mac Version of STO? I tossed out all my windows systems so I have to wait for Mac.

There is no known time line for a MAC version. If you have an Intel base MAC with a ATI HD 4650 or 9600 GT you could do boot-camp.

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12-04-2009, 06:17 PM
*reads those requirements and bursts out in evil laughter*

My computer takes those requirements and facerolls them!

Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit (which I might be upgrading to 7, for FREE)
Intel Core i7 processor
nVidia GeForce GTX 260 graphics card
6 gigs of RAM

Muahahaha!

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12-04-2009, 09:27 PM
*reads those requirements and bursts out in evil laughter*

My computer takes those requirements and facerolls them!

Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit (which I might be upgrading to 7, for FREE)
Intel Core i7 processor
nVidia GeForce GTX 260 graphics card
6 gigs of RAM

Muahahaha!

Congrats. :) Just remember there are many here struggling with trying to find out if their PC will handle it because they have budgets for how much to spend on upgrades, if even at all.

BTW...

TNG>VOY>TOS>DS9>ENT, but that's just my opinion.

I fully agree :)

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12-05-2009, 08:36 AM
I am not sure if this is has been touched on, but I was planning on getting the latest Atom Dual Core with Ion system from Acer. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103234&cm_re=revo-_-83-103-234-_-Product

I don't want to go out and get a completely new system upgrade and spend a grand or so, just for the game. I do a bit of video editing, and the ION powered system is supposed to be efficient for that. I'm currently on a home built system with a Radeon 9800 All in Wonder... ANCIENT!!!!

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12-05-2009, 08:48 AM
There is no known time line for a MAC version. If you have an Intel base MAC with a ATI HD 4650 or 9600 GT you could do boot-camp.

Again a Mac doesn't need so much to run a program compared to windows. Do some research before you shout something. Anyways there is already a known way to run STO or any windows based game on a mac withouth boot-camp.

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12-05-2009, 10:00 AM
Again a Mac doesn't need so much to run a program compared to windows. Do some research before you shout something. Anyways there is already a known way to run STO or any windows based game on a mac withouth boot-camp.
McCartney I am getting tried of you. To play this a you still need to meet requirement that windows does. If you are not going to be a positive force here "LEAVE US ALONE"!!!!! This game is not available for MAC. Get over it!

We are trying to help people. I have tried to be polite to you, but you are bent on trying to hurt people. I do not work for Cryptic! I am someone with a lot of computer knowledge and a fan of Star Trek. I do not care which OS is better, OK. Windows PC's are cheap and dominate the market. If Jobs wishes he can get MAC in every home by dropping the price to PC levels. That is his decision, not my. Blame him!!!

If you want to help people to get this game running on a MAC then please do. But do it nicely. I do not get paid to do this. I am a very helpful person by nature. I do not need you attacking me. I am asking you nicely to leave me alone!!!

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12-05-2009, 10:11 AM
I am not sure if this is has been touched on, but I was planning on getting the latest Atom Dual Core with Ion system from Acer. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103234&cm_re=revo-_-83-103-234-_-Product

I don't want to go out and get a completely new system upgrade and spend a grand or so, just for the game. I do a bit of video editing, and the ION powered system is supposed to be efficient for that. I'm currently on a home built system with a Radeon 9800 All in Wonder... ANCIENT!!!!

ATOM processors are not design to play High Graphic games even with the ION. You can only do lite video edit on that CPU. Everything I've read and heard about the ION states this. Netbooks are just not design for this at this time. Sorry.

We can help you upgrade you system. List you PC make/model. You have till 2/2/10 till the game comes out. Plenty of time to get ready.

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12-05-2009, 11:18 AM
McCartney I am getting tried of you. To play this a you still need to meet requirement that windows does. If you are not going to be a positive force here "LEAVE US ALONE"!!!!! This game is not available for MAC. Get over it!

We are trying to help people. I have tried to be polite to you, but you are bent on trying to hurt people. I do not work for Cryptic! I am someone with a lot of computer knowledge and a fan of Star Trek. I do not care which OS is better, OK. Windows PC's are cheap and dominate the market. If Jobs wishes he can get MAC in every home by dropping the price to PC levels. That is his decision, not my. Blame him!!!

If you want to help people to get this game running on a MAC then please do. But do it nicely. I do not get paid to do this. I am a very helpful person by nature. I do not need you attacking me. I am asking you nicely to leave me alone!!!

WK, this is not about which system is better or not, nor about supporting it for windows or for mac. This i about basic knowledge of both systems. I have already had contact with cryptic about converting this game for mac users.

And to make it short. The same game has a different set of requirement for both systems. This is because they both have another setting, where u need less of support on your ram etc on a mac. U do need more space for the game on your hard-drive. Windows uses a lot of your cpu, Mac uses a lot of your hard-drive.

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12-05-2009, 11:25 AM
I could use some help here:

I have a quad core 3.0 system, vista ultimate 64
2 9800 gtx cards
8 gigs ram

The launcher will NOT work...and it has crashed with every attempt saying it will not work w/ 64 bit (not supported).

Can anyone help me here?

TY

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12-05-2009, 12:34 PM
I could use some help here:

I have a quad core 3.0 system, vista ultimate 64
2 9800 gtx cards
8 gigs ram

The launcher will NOT work...and it has crashed with every attempt saying it will not work w/ 64 bit (not supported).

Can anyone help me here?

TY
I assume you have the Beta. We can not help you here. I assume there is a BETA forum that is only available to beta users. You will need to go there.

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12-05-2009, 12:50 PM
WK, this is not about which system is better or not, nor about supporting it for windows or for mac. This i about basic knowledge of both systems. I have already had contact with cryptic about converting this game for mac users.

And to make it short. The same game has a different set of requirement for both systems. This is because they both have another setting, where u need less of support on your ram etc on a mac. U do need more space for the game on your hard-drive. Windows uses a lot of your cpu, Mac uses a lot of your hard-drive.
That about resource management which is control by the OS. Which in this case means Windows since OS X can not run STO we need to talk Windows and what STO needs to run this game. We do not know if Wine will be able to play this game and what requirements it will need. We do know what STO will need under windows.

So I can only help people with windows since it is the only OS that it supports and the only OS that Cryptic supports! When we know for sure that Wine can support this game then I will push this onto MAC users. But for now Windows is the only solution so that means boot-camp.

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12-05-2009, 05:00 PM
McCartney I am getting tried of you. To play this a you still need to meet requirement that windows does. If you are not going to be a positive force here "LEAVE US ALONE"!!!!! This game is not available for MAC. Get over it!

We are trying to help people. I have tried to be polite to you, but you are bent on trying to hurt people. I do not work for Cryptic! I am someone with a lot of computer knowledge and a fan of Star Trek. I do not care which OS is better, OK.

Ditto.

As for requirements, the ones listed are the same for Mac if you're using bootcamp for Windows. Same for Mac if you're even going to try to use Wine or Cedega. There is no version for the Mac. And even if there was, the requirements would be almost identical.

The same game has a different set of requirement for both systems. This is because they both have another setting, where u need less of support on your ram etc on a mac. U do need more space for the game on your hard-drive. Windows uses a lot of your cpu, Mac uses a lot of your hard-drive.

No, it doesn't. STO was programmed mostly in C. It doesn't use much from the OS except DirectX, which actually requires LESS than OpenGL would if Cryptic ever decided to make this for the Mac. But in the end, it's a game first, and regardless what OS it's on (provided it's a computer and not a console system), the requirements are similar.

Get over it, McCartney and move on. Tired of your misinformed drivel about Macs vs. PCs. No more Mac vs. PC cr@p here please.

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12-05-2009, 05:02 PM
I could use some help here:

I have a quad core 3.0 system, vista ultimate 64
2 9800 gtx cards
8 gigs ram

The launcher will NOT work...and it has crashed with every attempt saying it will not work w/ 64 bit (not supported).

Can anyone help me here?

TY

I have no problem with Windows 7 64-bit and 32-bit applications. Have you tried the Beta forums for help if you're in Beta?

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12-05-2009, 05:18 PM
Thanks, cipher_nemo. I have file a complaint against McCartney. I wish I knew more about programming. You seems to really understand it.

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12-05-2009, 08:24 PM
ATOM processors are not design to play High Graphic games even with the ION. You can only do lite video edit on that CPU. Everything I've read and heard about the ION states this. Netbooks are just not design for this at this time. Sorry.

We can help you upgrade you system. List you PC make/model. You have till 2/2/10 till the game comes out. Plenty of time to get ready.

Thanks... Vids like this one tend to give me a little bit of hope though :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XstimSRYvOM

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12-05-2009, 08:38 PM
Thanks... Vids like this one tend to give me a little bit of hope though :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XstimSRYvOM

WK is right about the Netbooks. I hope in the near future they put in a mid-range GPU there.

But watching that video, the user had FRAPS running to show the framerate in the top left corner of the screen. Note that it bottoms out at 12 frames per second, and is in the teens frequently when the player is running through the snow.

I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want to play anything at that low of a resolution. And if it's in the teens for framerate, it's probably dipping down ever lower for brief fractions of a second, yielding chopping play.

As a traveling netbook to take notes, I have one of the older Asus Eee PC 701 models with a slow Celeron 900MHz CPU and built-in Intel GPU. Needless to say, it's not a gaming PC. I installed Lord of the Rings Online on it to see how it handles a game with a 2007 engine that has intense visuals for an MMORPG. Overclocked (at full 900 MHz since stock speed is downclocked to 70%), I was able to get bewteen 10 and 12 frames per second on average at the lowest graphics settings possible. Needless to say, it's not a pleasant gaming experience. While the newer netbooks with ION graphics are much better, they're not gaming PCs.

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12-05-2009, 08:53 PM
Thanks... Vids like this one tend to give me a little bit of hope though :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XstimSRYvOM
Hey, give it a shot. I don't think you will like the resolution but it's your choice.

Check is out. Using a monitor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vniz4YamdDc

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12-05-2009, 10:06 PM
Hey, give it a shot. I don't think you will like the resolution but it's your choice.

Check is out. Using a monitor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vniz4YamdDc

LOL, the NVIDIA marketing person said "30 frames per second". No way. That's probably 30 FPS max, especially on an external monitor at higher resolutions. If the one linked to earlier was 70 FPS max and 12 FPS min, with about 20 FPS average, this is going to be 30 FPS max, 5 FPS min, 14 FPS average.

Sorry, that's not something I'd want to game at, lol. Gotta love marketing spew.

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12-07-2009, 08:48 AM
Ditto.

As for requirements, the ones listed are the same for Mac if you're using bootcamp for Windows. Same for Mac if you're even going to try to use Wine or Cedega. There is no version for the Mac. And even if there was, the requirements would be almost identical.



No, it doesn't. STO was programmed mostly in C. It doesn't use much from the OS except DirectX, which actually requires LESS than OpenGL would if Cryptic ever decided to make this for the Mac. But in the end, it's a game first, and regardless what OS it's on (provided it's a computer and not a console system), the requirements are similar.

Get over it, McCartney and move on. Tired of your misinformed drivel about Macs vs. PCs. No more Mac vs. PC cr@p here please.

Than don't believe me. Anyways STO will become available for mac. It's just a matter of time and of course.

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12-07-2009, 10:01 AM
Than don't believe me. Anyways STO will become available for mac. It's just a matter of time and of course.

Sorry, now you're crossing the lines in fact. There is no official announcement about STO being planned for MacOS. Sure, it's possible in the future. But nothing official yet.

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12-07-2009, 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by McCartney View Post
Than don't believe me. Anyways STO will become available for mac. It's just a matter of time and of course.

Since it's a MMO MAC could possibly get it in a few years and only if this game does will. It took EVE Online and City of Heroes 5 years to offer their games on OS X.

The same can be said for Star Wars: The Old Republic. This is also a Windows only game. LucasArt is consider a big Apple game supporter but they know that they must establish a MMO on Windows first. Then afterward add OS X. "That's just the order of things." ;)

Though Warhammer Online should be working for the MAC soon. I understand it's in BETA. If it does will maybe Cryptic will work on a MAC version.:D

McCartney - You seems to think all Windows users are against apple. We're not. I was a System Administrator who supported Windows, MAC, Unix, Linux, and Novell. I am a systems builder and I am currently in technology sales.

I like building my own systems. Apple won't let people do this legally. I am not going to hack OS X. As long as Apple keeps their prices high you are going to need to wait for games to come to OS X and stop getting upset over it.

That's what I like about Linux users. They don't complain about not being able to run windows apps, instead they created Wine.

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12-07-2009, 11:30 AM
Its funny... I just booted up Champions Online again.. and got a message saying that my system might not be able to run the game. Never got that message before. So I log in, fly around a bit, then juice up all the settings to high with 4x AA and it runs flawlessly. Im confused as to why it said my system would have trouble.:eek:

A lot of people say that if you can run Champions online you SHOULD be able to run STO. So given my graphics settings all on high in champions, Im guessing I should be able to make due with medium settings in sto. Though I could be mistaken.

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12-07-2009, 12:26 PM
Its funny... I just booted up Champions Online again.. and got a message saying that my system might not be able to run the game. Never got that message before. So I log in, fly around a bit, then juice up all the settings to high with 4x AA and it runs flawlessly. Im confused as to why it said my system would have trouble.:eek:

A lot of people say that if you can run Champions online you SHOULD be able to run STO. So given my graphics settings all on high in champions, Im guessing I should be able to make due with medium settings in sto. Though I could be mistaken.
STO does have higher requirements but CO is a good benchmark.

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12-07-2009, 12:35 PM
Would this computer be good ///// Case
CoolerMaster HAF 932 Full Tower Gaming Case-Black
iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction
Advanced - iBUYPOWER Harmony SRS Sound Reduction System Improved Airflow Silent Fans Improved Airflow Silent Fans
iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion
None
Case Lighting
None
Processor
Intel® Core™ i7 940 Processor (4x 2.93GHz/8MB L3 Cache)
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive
PowerDrive Level 3 - Up to 30% Overclocking
Processor Cooling
[Free Upgrade] Asetek Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 240mm Radiator [SOCKET-1366]
Memory
6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1600 Triple Memory Module-Corsair Dominator
Video Card
ATI Radeon HD 5870 - 1GB DirectX 11 Support-Single Card
Video Card Brand
Major Brand Powered by ATI or NVIDIA
Motherboard
MSI Eclipse SLI -- Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire and SLI Supported w/7.1 Sound, Triple-Channel DDR3, Dual Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, Three PCI-E MB
Power Supply
1000 Watt -- Extreme Power Supply [Gaming Series] Quad SLI + Active PFC
Primary Hard Drive
80 GB Intel X25-M MLC SSD Nearly Instant Data Access-Dual 80GB Drives (160GB Capacity) - RAID 0 High Performance
Data Hard Drive
None
Optical Drive
22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive [Lightscribe Technology] Black
2nd Optical Drive
None
Flash Media Reader/Writer
12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer-Black
Meter Display
None
Floppy Drive
None
Sound Card
Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer
Network Card
Killer Xeno Pro Gaming Network Card w/ Game Networking Acceleration + Hardware-accelerated Voice
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....)-64-Bit
Keyboard
iBUYPOWER USB Keyboard-Black
Mouse
iBUYPOWER Internet Mouse-Black
Monitor
None
2nd Monitor
None
Speaker System
iBUYPOWER 2.1 Channel Stereo Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System
External Hard Drives [USB 2.0/eSATA]
None
USB Flash Drive
None
Power Protection
None
Printer
None
Headset
None
MP3/MP4 Player
None
Video Camera
None

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12-07-2009, 12:53 PM
Would this computer be good /////
Processor
Intel® Core™ i7 940 Processor (4x 2.93GHz/8MB L3 Cache)
Processor Cooling
[Free Upgrade] Asetek Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 240mm Radiator [SOCKET-1366]
Memory
6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1600 Triple Memory Module-Corsair Dominator
Video Card
ATI Radeon HD 5870 - 1GB DirectX 11 Support-Single Card
Power Supply
1000 Watt -- Extreme Power Supply [Gaming Series] Quad SLI + Active PFC

Was that a joke, or did you just pick the most expensive PC config you could find at iBuyPower's site? And for that matter, water-based cooling for your CPU is entirely overkill.

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12-07-2009, 01:10 PM
The machine is fine. More than fine. I wish I had a couple of those parts. BUT!! Why would you get a machine with all that good stuff on it and saddle it with mere 80 gigabyte hard drives? If you're going to get a BMW, you might as well spring for the decent tires, and not the ones that are going to fall apart the first time it's on the freeway.

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12-07-2009, 01:18 PM
Power Supply
1000 Watt -- Extreme Power Supply [Gaming Series] Quad SLI + Active PFC
Network Card
Killer Xeno Pro Gaming Network Card w/ Game Networking Acceleration + Hardware-accelerated Voice


To emphasize, why the heck did you pick these in a build? The Killer network card is completely unnecessary in a Core i7 PC (it helps the performance of older PCs with limited resources, does absolutely nothing for newer PCs with top-end CPUs). And the 1000 watt PSU is overkill for even a Core i7 with a 5870 video card. 600W would get you by just fine. 750 if you wanted to go-all-out.

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12-07-2009, 01:25 PM
can someone build me nice gameing computer pm me the info i can spend 3,000 heres the site http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Configurators.aspx?mid=423

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12-07-2009, 01:31 PM
can someone build me nice gameing computer pm me the info i can spend 3,000 heres the site http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Configurators.aspx?mid=423

The default selections on that screen are just fine with a GTX 275 video card. You can even downgrade the CPU to a Core i7 920 to save money. Use the money to upgrade to an ASUS motherboard on that screen.

And I have no idea what form of currency "heres" is... I assume you meant $3,000 and "here's" the site. $3,000 is overkill for a gaming PC.

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12-07-2009, 01:56 PM
The machine is fine. More than fine. I wish I had a couple of those parts. BUT!! Why would you get a machine with all that good stuff on it and saddle it with mere 80 gigabyte hard drives? If you're going to get a BMW, you might as well spring for the decent tires, and not the ones that are going to fall apart the first time it's on the freeway.
Lol, I like that BMW remark.;)

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12-07-2009, 02:49 PM
Since it's a MMO MAC could possibly get it in a few years and only if this game does will. It took EVE Online and City of Heroes 5 years to offer their games on OS X.

The same can be said for Star Wars: The Old Republic. This is also a Windows only game. LucasArt is consider a big Apple game supporter but they know that they must establish a MMO on Windows first. Then afterward add OS X. "That's just the order of things." ;)

Though Warhammer Online should be working for the MAC soon. I understand it's in BETA. If it does will maybe Bioware will work on a MAC version.:D

McCartney - You seems to think all Windows users are against apple. We're not. I was a System Administrator who supported Windows, MAC, Unix, Linux, and Novell. I am a systems builder and I am currently in technology sales.

I like building my own systems. Apple won't let people do this legally. I am not going to hack OS X. As long as Apple keeps their prices high you are going to need to wait for games to come to OS X and stop getting upset over it.

That's what I like about Linux users. They don't complain about not being able to run windows apps, instead they created Wine.

Ever heard of cider? No? Well not really surprised as for most it's only used by the corperations for most part. And well this little tool is the magic trick in making it quickly to os x.

As for building your own system, got a pal who totally modded his mac pro, i-mac and his old version of the macbook pro. So it is possible to change it as far as u want to do.

I don't think there are a lot of windows users who hate apple. But there are a lot of people who still believe windows is the only way. I was a windows user before I started working on mac, but have found mac to be more reliable than windows.

Anyways this isn't mac vs windows. This is about getting ths game out for not only on console, but also mac, ps3, xbox360 etc...

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12-07-2009, 02:53 PM
Ever heard of cider? No? Well not really surprised as for most it's only used by the corperations for most part. And well this little tool is the magic trick in making it quickly to os x.

For your information, McCartney... http://www.transgaming.com/business/cider/

And now I can laugh. :D

Cider is just a MacOS X friendly version of Cedega's software for Linux. It's still emulation. It's not changing the program or compiling the code for MacOS X. It's just another emulation product like Wine.

So no, Cryptic isn't going to even touch emulation software for any kind of official release or support. It's another thing to license that won't happen any time soon. Some big names use it, but it's still emulation software. You're better off running it on Wine or Cedega now.

EDIT: Just wanted to add that Atari is the publisher for STO and it's Atari that would have to license this with Cedega. The developers usually have little say in that unless they're all-in-one entities like Blizzard. So no, most likely isn't going to happen. But if you want this sort of thing for yourself, run your own copy of Cedega or the free alternative, Wine.

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12-07-2009, 04:30 PM
As for building your own system, got a pal who totally modded his mac pro, i-mac and his old version of the macbook pro. So it is possible to change it as far as u want to do.
I am not talking about modding a Apple machine. I am talking about legally building a system. I don't run illegal software. I paid for my stuff.

Unlike MS, Apple release a update to block (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/11/snow-leopard-update-blocks-intel-atom-kills-hackintoshes/) Intel Atom processors and Hackintoshes. MS could do these to Wine if the wish but they don't. There is a lot of modding going on for Windows Media Center which MS is encouraging.

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12-07-2009, 07:13 PM
Yah mines a sager, so its either a alienware or dell xps..just different labeling. i plan on upgrtading the ram definatly.

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12-08-2009, 12:44 AM
Hi I can not afford alot these days. I can wing about 200.00 for an upgrade.

Can any one suggest a mother board and CPU combo to replace my 478 socket Gygbyte board? I have at present a P4 3.0 ghz processor. 4 slots for ram at 512 a piece I have 2 gigs ram total at present.

I want to avoid having to replace my AGP card which is a radeon 4650. I am not even sure there are mother boards with an AGP socket any more.

And at worst...the only thing that fails is the CPU. Is there a Duo Core CPU that I am not aware of that could work for my board which is a GA-8IG1000(Rev 1.x) Gygabyte? That would be great if I could just pop in a new CPU. I have not fiddled with computers for close to 5 years so this is like going back to school to catch up. I just want to avoid replacing hard drives...a new power supply... etc.

Here is another question... will this video card work with this game? NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE

Thanks for any help.

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12-08-2009, 05:19 AM
We just updated the FAQ (http://startrekonline.com/faq), but wanted to call it out here, as well. Star Trek Online's system requirements are as follows:
System Requirements
OS: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista / Windows 7 (32 or 64-bit) CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 Ghz or AMD Athlon X2 3800+ Memory: 1GB RAM Video: NVIDIA GeForce 7950 / ATI Radeon X1800 / Intel HD Graphics Sound: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Soundcard DirectX: Version 9.0c or Higher HDD: 8GB Free Disk Space Network: Internet Broadband Connection Required Disc: 6X DVD-ROM Recommended System Configuration
OS: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista / Windows 7 (32 or 64-bit) CPU: Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo or AMD Athlon X2 5600+ Memory: 2GB RAM+ Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 / ATI Radeon HD 3850+ Sound: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Soundcard DirectX: Version 9.0c or Higher HDD: 8GB Free Disk Space Network: Internet Broadband Connection Required Disc: 6X DVD-ROM

Link to the news article. (http://startrekonline.com/node/494)

WHEN WILL THE GAME BE AVAILABLE FOR MAC USERS

Archived Post
12-08-2009, 06:30 AM
Is there going to be a dx10 version?

Archived Post
12-08-2009, 07:30 AM
Hi I can not afford alot these days. I can wing about 200.00 for an upgrade.

Can any one suggest a mother board and CPU combo to replace my 478 socket Gygbyte board? I have at present a P4 3.0 ghz processor. 4 slots for ram at 512 a piece I have 2 gigs ram total at present.

I want to avoid having to replace my AGP card which is a radeon 4650. I am not even sure there are mother boards with an AGP socket any more.

And at worst...the only thing that fails is the CPU. Is there a Duo Core CPU that I am not aware of that could work for my board which is a GA-8IG1000(Rev 1.x) Gygabyte? That would be great if I could just pop in a new CPU. I have not fiddled with computers for close to 5 years so this is like going back to school to catch up. I just want to avoid replacing hard drives...a new power supply... etc.

Here is another question... will this video card work with this game? NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE

Thanks for any help.

Unfortunately, your motherboard (http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=1758) only supports a Pentium 4 (socket 478) for the CPU. And that doesn't get anywhere near close enough to the minimum for STO's listed minimum requirements.

If you have a Pentium 4 with an AGP card, you're going to have to replace everything for a decent upgrade. $200 for an upgrade isn't realistic unless you don't mind the lowest of the low. You could get a decent motherboard, CPU, and memory for around there, but with a video card, sorry, you're skimping more than I'd recommend.

Motherboards have not had AGP slots for many years now, so there's no way you'll be able to use your old video card. Everything is PCI-Express now.

But there is hope. I really don't recommend going this route, but then again, if you have no room to budge in your budget....

$45 ASRock N68-S AM2+ motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157158
.
$59 AMD Athlon II X2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103688
.
$49 G.SKILL 2GB DDR2-800 memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098
.
$55 SAPPhIRE 4650 video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102829


The CPU and memory have free shipping. Before shipping, the total is $207.96. That's the best I'd offer without totally sacrificing on my PC principles. ;) It's still a scrape of low-end parts.

EDIT: This is assuming your power supply is adequate. I only have a clue on how old your power supply is and what wattage. My guess is that you'd need to replace that as well, especially considering how old your motherboard is:

$45 SeaSonic 350W (two 12V rails of 17A each, will be plenty for this PC): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151077

That brings the new total to $252.95.
Is there going to be a dx10 version?

Nothing official yet. You mean DX11 version since that is the new standard (and is backwards compatible with DX10).

Archived Post
12-08-2009, 08:48 AM
Unfortunately, your motherboard (http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=1758) only supports a Pentium 4 (socket 478) for the CPU. And that doesn't get anywhere near close enough to the minimum for STO's listed minimum requirements.

If you have a Pentium 4 with an AGP card, you're going to have to replace everything for a decent upgrade. $200 for an upgrade isn't realistic unless you don't mind the lowest of the low. You could get a decent motherboard, CPU, and memory for around there, but with a video card, sorry, you're skimping more than I'd recommend.

Motherboards have not had AGP slots for many years now, so there's no way you'll be able to use your old video card. Everything is PCI-Express now.

But there is hope. I really don't recommend going this route, but then again, if you have no room to budge in your budget....

$45 ASRock N68-S AM2+ motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157158
.
$59 AMD Athlon II X2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103688
.
$49 G.SKILL 2GB DDR2-800 memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098
.
$55 SAPPhIRE 4650 video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102829


The CPU and memory have free shipping. Before shipping, the total is $207.96. That's the best I'd offer without totally sacrificing on my PC principles. ;) It's still a scrape of low-end parts.

EDIT: This is assuming your power supply is adequate. I only have a clue on how old your power supply is and what wattage. My guess is that you'd need to replace that as well, especially considering how old your motherboard is:

$45 SeaSonic 350W (two 12V rails of 17A each, will be plenty for this PC): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151077

That brings the new total to $252.95.


Nothing official yet. You mean DX11 version since that is the new standard (and is backwards compatible with DX10).

thank you. i wonder if it would be just better to buy a new machine to get by with. The power supply is a 400 watt with the Sata power connectors. The power supply is about 3 years old. The more I think about it the more I think it might be better to buy a cheepy computer. Seems a low end computer would have more horsepower than what I have now and just save up for a better computer down the road. Looks like my budget will be $400.00 to 500.00 instead of $200.00

Thanks for the response.

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12-08-2009, 10:05 AM
thank you. i wonder if it would be just better to buy a new machine to get by with. The power supply is a 400 watt with the Sata power connectors. The power supply is about 3 years old. The more I think about it the more I think it might be better to buy a cheepy computer. Seems a low end computer would have more horsepower than what I have now and just save up for a better computer down the road. Looks like my budget will be $400.00 to 500.00 instead of $200.00

Thanks for the response.

You can build a PC that can play Crysis on High for 500 bucks, minus the monitor and what not.

This is old, but still works --http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_a_500_pc_play_crysis_40fps

Although I would stay away from the ATI 4870s because they don't like communicating to monitors through DVI ports ... simple fact, buggy product. Go for a NVidia GeForce GTX 260 instead ... kind of an equivalent card, but its got NVIdia's drivers (which are way better than ATI Catalyst).

Also, the CPU they use is alright, but if you want longevity out of the thing I dunno... I would shoot for a Core 2 Duo, but that's gonna jack up the price and you may have an issue with the socket, I don't know.

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12-08-2009, 02:29 PM
thank you. i wonder if it would be just better to buy a new machine to get by with. The power supply is a 400 watt with the Sata power connectors. The power supply is about 3 years old. The more I think about it the more I think it might be better to buy a cheepy computer. Seems a low end computer would have more horsepower than what I have now and just save up for a better computer down the road. Looks like my budget will be $400.00 to 500.00 instead of $200.00

Thanks for the response.

No problem. Your power supply will have a 20-pin ATX connector and new motherboards require a 24-pin ATX connector. So without an adapter it will not work. And since you'd pay $5-10 for the adapter, you might as well just get a new power supply for $50. Besides, power supplies wear out over time (due to capacitor aging), so that power supply you have is getting near the end of its life or at least putting out far below what it was designed and listed at.

Although I would stay away from the ATI 4870s because they don't like communicating to monitors through DVI ports ... simple fact, buggy product.

That's more rumor or your personal experience with it than fact. DVI is a standard and nothing wrong the 4870 cards and their DVI ports. The 4870's main connections for diplaying anything is through a DVI port. Or did you mean to say "HDMI" or "display port"? I assume that was a mental typo on your part.

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12-08-2009, 02:32 PM
I have a Laptop (Was High-end a few years back) That I want to play STO, Spec's are as follows:

Core 2 Duo T7200 - 2.0GHz (4mb cache)
4GB Ram
Ge-force Go 7900 GS - 256MB dedicated ram (up to 1gb shared if want to use)
Western Digital Scorpio Black 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA
8X DVD combo drive
18" WUXGA 1920x1200 default rez
Vista Ultimate 64bit

It originally came with a crappy HDD and Win-XP Pro (vista upgrade free) 32bit and 2GB ram

I upgraded to 4gb ram and a WD Black Scorpio drive and purged the vendor crap OS for 64bit Vista I had.

From what I can find the GF Go 7900 GS = Memory 256bit, memory bandwidth-32.0GB/s, fill rate 7.5b/s

I know no upgrade path for video and new system is not an option at this time (damn 15% pay-cut). This Laptop Plays WarHammer Online at max settings fine, but gets REALLY hot so I run medium settings most of the time and during high RVR times run like most at fastest frame rate since so many people battling.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Trollby

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12-08-2009, 02:35 PM
Core 2 Duo T7200 - 2.0GHz (4mb cache)
4GB Ram
Ge-force Go 7900 GS - 256MB dedicated ram (up to 1gb shared if want to use)
Western Digital Scorpio Black 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA
8X DVD combo drive
18" WUXGA 1920x1200 default rez
Vista Ultimate 64bit

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Trollby

That's still a nice laptop (especially the 18" 1920x1200 screen!). :) The 7900 GPU would be just fine for STO. Their minimum spec of a 7950 is way overkill in my opinion. You will probably be able to play STO on that at 1920x1200 with moderate graphics settings. No worries from me when I look at your laptop specs.

EDIT...

This Laptop Plays WarHammer Online at max settings fine, but gets REALLY hot so I run medium settings most of the time and during high RVR times run like most at fastest frame rate since so many people battling.

Get a laptop cooler (if you don't already have one). It's just a plastic or metal base with fans on which to place your laptop.

Also, when gaming, make sure you enable Vertical Sync so that your GPU isn't processing more frames than you need at any given moment.

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12-08-2009, 02:36 PM
I have a Laptop (Was High-end a few years back) That I want to play STO, Spec's are as follows:

Core 2 Duo T7200 - 2.0GHz (4mb cache)
4GB Ram
Ge-force Go 7900 GS - 256MB dedicated ram (up to 1gb shared if want to use)
Western Digital Scorpio Black 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA
8X DVD combo drive
18" WUXGA 1920x1200 default rez
Vista Ultimate 64bit

It originally came with a crappy HDD and Win-XP Pro (vista upgrade free) 32bit and 2GB ram

I upgraded to 4gb ram and a WD Black Scorpio drive and purged the vendor crap OS for 64bit Vista I had.

From what I can find the GF Go 7900 GS = Memory 256bit, memory bandwidth-32.0GB/s, fill rate 7.5b/s

I know no upgrade path for video and new system is not an option at this time (damn 15% pay-cut). This Laptop Plays WarHammer Online at max settings fine, but gets REALLY hot so I run medium settings most of the time and during high RVR times run like most at fastest frame rate since so many people battling.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Trollby

You are meet minimal requirement. unless you really want to buy a new laptop I'll wait and try STO.
You can try these two websites and run the STO test.
http://www.yougamers.com/?mainnavi=true
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srl

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12-08-2009, 02:37 PM
That's still a nice laptop (especially the 18" 1920x1200 screen!). :) The 7900 GPU would be just fine for STO. Their minimum spec of a 7950 is way overkill in my opinion. You will probably be able to play STO on that at 1920x1200 with moderate graphics settings. No worries from me when I look at your laptop specs.

Beat me by one minute,:D

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12-08-2009, 02:37 PM
You are meet minimal requirement. unless you really want to buy a new laptop I wait and try STO.
You can try these two websites and run the STO test.
http://www.yougamers.com/?mainnavi=true
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srl

Beat ya by one minute. ;)

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12-08-2009, 02:38 PM
Beat me by one minute,:D

LOL, great minds think alike... and at the same time.

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12-08-2009, 02:39 PM
Beat ya by one minute. ;)
I beat you, beating me by seconds.:p

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12-08-2009, 02:45 PM
I was worried since was a Go series not the regular 7900 series.

I have a laptop cooler already, but is was for my old 15" LT so is small, need to get new one.

Thanks for the replies.

Trollby

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12-08-2009, 02:45 PM
LOL, great minds think alike... and at the same time.
Good systems builders know how to keep it real.
How many PM users are you helping. I am doing three right now. It looks like I am walk one though doing his our build. He lives in Mobile, AL. Wasteland for PC stores.

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12-08-2009, 02:45 PM
I was worried since was a Go series not the regular 7900 series.

I have a laptop cooler already, but is was for my old 15" LT so is small, need to get new one.

Thanks for the replies.

Trollby

No problem. Yeah, even the mobile version of the 7900 would be fine. :)

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12-08-2009, 02:46 PM
Good systems builders know how to keep it real.
How many PM users are you helping. I am doing three right now. It looks like I am walk one though doing his our build. He lives in Mobile, AL. Wasteland for PC stores.

LOL. I've only helped one every once in a while. :) I prefer the forums since I hate checking PMs on this site.

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12-08-2009, 02:48 PM
I was worried since was a Go series not the regular 7900 series.

I have a laptop cooler already, but is was for my old 15" LT so is small, need to get new one.

Thanks for the replies.

Trollby
Go series is just a promotion things for laptop graphics. Laptop GPU or not as powerful as GPU cards. But you do get the same technology.

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12-08-2009, 02:51 PM
LOL. I've only helped one every once in a while. :) I prefer the forums since I hate checking PMs on this site.

They are lucky I even see the PM. It was 3 days till I notice anyone. I am not use to this PM thing.

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12-08-2009, 02:58 PM
They are lucky I even see the PM. It was 3 days till I notice anyone. I am not use to this PM thing.

Yeah, I don't remember to check it all the time. For the longest time the forums were out of sync with the main page for PMs. It said 0 messages until you went to the main page, and I rarely checked the main page. Now it's linked, but that gray number up there isn't very prominent.

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12-08-2009, 03:10 PM
Yeah, I don't remember to check it all the time. For the longest time the forums were out of sync with the main page for PMs. It said 0 messages until you went to the main page, and I rarely checked the main page. Now it's linked, but that gray number up there isn't very prominent.
They are out of sync now. I had three PMs from yesterday and like you said I only notice them from the main page.

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12-08-2009, 03:12 PM
cipher_nemo - I also notice you didn't response to that MAC guy yelling. As did I.

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12-08-2009, 05:28 PM
No problem. Your power supply will have a 20-pin ATX connector and new motherboards require a 24-pin ATX connector. So without an adapter it will not work. And since you'd pay $5-10 for the adapter, you might as well just get a new power supply for $50. Besides, power supplies wear out over time (due to capacitor aging), so that power supply you have is getting near the end of its life or at least putting out far below what it was designed and listed at.



That's more rumor or your personal experience with it than fact. DVI is a standard and nothing wrong the 4870 cards and their DVI ports. The 4870's main connections for diplaying anything is through a DVI port. Or did you mean to say "HDMI" or "display port"? I assume that was a mental typo on your part.

Hi Cipher I found a replacement computer. I feel that messing with the current computer is asking for trouble. It has been reliable for near 5 years...raid array...the whole 9 yards. So I am going to pass it on to some one else and get a new computer. Funny how the new stuff today is far superior and cheaper than what I paid to originally build this computer back in late 2004.

The panic is almost over! I am closing in on the computer I need. (takes a true trek fan to a ditch a good computer just to play Trek. LOL) The surprising thing is for me...is how rusty I have become with computers and feel like I am going back to school.

See you in game soon!

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12-08-2009, 05:59 PM
Hi Cipher I found a replacement computer. I feel that messing with the current computer is asking for trouble. It has been reliable for near 5 years...raid array...the whole 9 yards. So I am going to pass it on to some one else and get a new computer. Funny how the new stuff today is far superior and cheaper than what I paid to originally build this computer back in late 2004.

The panic is almost over! I am closing in on the computer I need. (takes a true trek fan to a ditch a good computer just to play Trek. LOL) The surprising thing is for me...is how rusty I have become with computers and feel like I am going back to school.

See you in game soon!
5 yrs a good run. My last system last about 3 yrs with upgrades.

Archived Post
12-08-2009, 06:02 PM
Question for the devs/closed beta peeps: Has anyone tested this game out with OS X Boot Camp?

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12-08-2009, 06:21 PM
Question for the devs/closed beta peeps: Has anyone tested this game out with OS X Boot Camp?
Next time do a search for boot camp. There's a lot of threads on this. I have personally answer several.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=33102
You just need to meet the same hardware specs as require for Windows.

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12-08-2009, 06:36 PM
The video requirement has me confused. I went to one of those sites to test my computer, and everything checked out but it flagged my video card Nvidia 7300LE instead of a 7950. What was funny is that it had a further breakdown on video card stats which mine all checked out ok. Looked like my card was simply flagged because it was less than a 7950, not because it did not meet the minimum video capabilities. Anyone else test their computer and have a similar outcome? My system is at the minimums for this game, I may have to swap with my parents and take the newer faster computer I bought for them.

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12-08-2009, 06:42 PM
The video requirement has me confused. I went to one of those sites to test my computer, and everything checked out but it flagged my video card Nvidia 7300LE instead of a 7950. What was funny is that it had a further breakdown on video card stats which mine all checked out ok. Looked like my card was simply flagged because it was less than a 7950, not because it did not meet the minimum video capabilities. Anyone else test their computer and have a similar outcome? My system is at the minimums for this game, I may have to swap with my parents and take the newer faster computer I bought for them.

Do you have the most current video drivers? What OS? Specs?

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12-08-2009, 07:16 PM
Next time do a search for boot camp. There's a lot of threads on this. I have personally answer several.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=33102
You just need to meet the same hardware specs as require for Windows.

I did do a search :/ sorry. Thanks for the link.

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12-08-2009, 07:16 PM
I have XP SP3, Duo 1.86 GHz, 1GB ram, but I have a Nvidia 7300LE. Like I said, the site passed me on everthing but my video card. From what I could tell it was only because my video card was "less" than a 7950. I passed the video card specs, so I am a bit confused. I have looked through this thread and I can tell that I am not the only one wondering about their video requirements.

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12-08-2009, 07:33 PM
You guys are great for helping everyone to get their systems ready for STO thank you :)

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12-08-2009, 07:48 PM
Can i get some opinions on this video card PNY GeForce 9800 GT EE 1024MB Graphics Card - 1024MB, GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, Stereo, Dual VGA Support


I'd like to know if i would be able to run STO on the hightest sttings witn this card and how this card ranks overall

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12-08-2009, 07:58 PM
wow if thats the requirements then this game is going maximum warp on my AMD Dual-Core

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12-08-2009, 08:01 PM
I have XP SP3, Duo 1.86 GHz, 1GB ram, but I have a Nvidia 7300LE. Like I said, the site passed me on everthing but my video card. From what I could tell it was only because my video card was "less" than a 7950. I passed the video card specs, so I am a bit confused. I have looked through this thread and I can tell that I am not the only one wondering about their video requirements.
You need to replace the GPU. It's at plain. Do you have PCIE? You could try a ATI HD 3650 or 4650 or a Nvidia 9600 GT. These are cards are enter level and don't require a lot of power.

These two ATI's card only need a 300 watt PSU. The 9600 GT needs 400 Watts. These cards will most likely let you play at medium high graphics. Do you know what your PSU?

EDIT: I would also add 1GB of RAM too.
EDIt: I am assuming that this is a Desktop. If it's a laptop your out of luck. Need a new laptop.

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12-08-2009, 08:08 PM
Can i get some opinions on this video card PNY GeForce 9800 GT EE 1024MB Graphics Card - 1024MB, GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, Stereo, Dual VGA Support


I'd like to know if i would be able to run STO on the hightest sttings witn this card and how this card ranks overall
We don't really know for sure about the very highest setting since we haven't played this game yet. Most likely at medium high to high. If you have this card keep it till you can try the game. If you are looking to buy one now I would recommend a GTS 250. Same power requirement, but 10% faster then a 9800 GTX. You can usually get it on sale for $120.00. If you get a GTX 260 you'll most likely will be able to play is game at very high. But it needs a 525 watt PSU.

EDIT: Ops, the GTS 250 needs 450w PSU. The PNY GeForce 9800 GT EE 1024MB needs 400W power supply with a minimum 12V current rating of 26A. Wow 26A that is high for a 9800 GT card.

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12-08-2009, 08:16 PM
wow if thats the requirements then this game is going maximum warp on my AMD Dual-Core

I just replace old system 3 mos ago. My AMD X2 4600+ (939) was at minimal specs. When you hit minimal specs time to build a new system.

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12-08-2009, 10:03 PM
cipher_nemo - I also notice you didn't response to that MAC guy yelling. As did I.

Hahaha, true. Some things are best left unsaid.

I have XP SP3, Duo 1.86 GHz, 1GB ram, but I have a Nvidia 7300LE. Like I said, the site passed me on everthing but my video card. From what I could tell it was only because my video card was "less" than a 7950. I passed the video card specs, so I am a bit confused. I have looked through this thread and I can tell that I am not the only one wondering about their video requirements.

First, I'd upgrade your RAM in that PC. 1GB is really skimping when RAM is so cheap.

Second, ditch the 7300LE. It's a value-line card that isn't really meant for any serious gaming aside from playing flash games. The second number in there of "3" designs it as a value-line card. The first number "7" is its generation. While the 7950 is really overkill for requirements, I'd still look at a 9800 GT for a deal on the NVIDIA side. For ATI, try a 4670. They are both good values right now than will handle STO just fine and then some.

You guys are great for helping everyone to get their systems ready for STO thank you :)

Well, I wouldn't leave my fleet members out in the cold now, would I? :)

Can i get some opinions on this video card PNY GeForce 9800 GT EE 1024MB Graphics Card - 1024MB, GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, Stereo, Dual VGA Support

I'd like to know if i would be able to run STO on the hightest sttings witn this card and how this card ranks overall

9800 GT is a solid card. It's the predecessor of the 8800 GT model that outperformed the more expensive 8800 GTS (version 1) two years ago. I'd say it would run STO on high settings at reasonable resolutions (ie: 1680x1050 or less). But maxing settings? Probably not without dipping a bit low in framerate.

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12-09-2009, 09:57 AM
CIpher_nemo, do you or anyone know if this game will run better under Nvidia or ATI yet? A friend told me that Champions loading screen specifically states it runs better under Nvidia. Just wondeirng because I'm looking at a new system, and I don't have a preference either way, but do not want issues.

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12-09-2009, 10:11 AM
CIpher_nemo, do you or anyone know if this game will run better under Nvidia or ATI yet? A friend told me that Champions loading screen specifically states it runs better under Nvidia. Just wondeirng because I'm looking at a new system, and I don't have a preference either way, but do not want issues.
What happens is the install detects in the Nvidia drivers and shows the logo. As of last week Nvidia is still working on getting it's drivers to work properly with CO. Both ATI and Nvidia cards will work with this game. I am a Nvidia man myself. Nvidia has a better relationship with gaming companies and write better drivers than ATI.

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12-09-2009, 10:19 AM
If i put the game at lower setings would i still beable to play? Minimum Recommended CPU
Minimum: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 GHz or AMD Athlon X2 3800+
You Have: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz
PASS

CPU Speed
Minimum: 1.8 GHz
You Have: 3.00 GHz
PASS

RAM
Minimum: 1 GB
You Have: 1022.1 MB
PASS

OS
Minimum: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista / Windows 7 (32 or 64-bit)
You Have: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (Build Service Pack 32600)
PASS

Video Card
Minimum: NVIDIA GeForce 7950 / ATI Radeon X1800 / Intel HD Graphics
You Have: ATI display adapter (0x5B60)
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Video Card does not meet this requirement. Click here to see some recommendations.
Features: Minimum attributes of your Video Card
Required You Have
Video RAM 256 MB 128.0 MB
Hardware T&L Yes Yes
Pixel Shader version 3.0 2.0
Vertex Shader version 3.0 2.0


Sound Card
Minimum: Yes
You Have: SigmaTel High Definition Audio CODEC
PASS

Free Disk Space
Minimum: 8 GB Free Disk Space
You Have: 14.9 GB
PASS

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12-09-2009, 10:24 AM
If i put the game at lower setings would i still beable to play? Minimum Recommended CPU
Minimum: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 GHz or AMD Athlon X2 3800+
You Have: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz
PASS

CPU Speed
Minimum: 1.8 GHz
You Have: 3.00 GHz
PASS

RAM
Minimum: 1 GB
You Have: 1022.1 MB
PASS

OS
Minimum: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista / Windows 7 (32 or 64-bit)
You Have: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (Build Service Pack 32600)
PASS

Video Card
Minimum: NVIDIA GeForce 7950 / ATI Radeon X1800 / Intel HD Graphics
You Have: ATI display adapter (0x5B60)
Upgrade Suggested: Unfortunately, your Video Card does not meet this requirement. Click here to see some recommendations.
Features: Minimum attributes of your Video Card
Required You Have
Video RAM 256 MB 128.0 MB
Hardware T&L Yes Yes
Pixel Shader version 3.0 2.0
Vertex Shader version 3.0 2.0


Sound Card
Minimum: Yes
You Have: SigmaTel High Definition Audio CODEC
PASS

Free Disk Space
Minimum: 8 GB Free Disk Space
You Have: 14.9 GB
PASS

What is your graphic card? List your specs.

EDIT: Your CPU pass? It's a Pentium D CPU 3.00GHz which is two generations older then it Core 2 Duo which is minimum requirement. - cipher_nemo what do you think?

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12-09-2009, 10:29 AM
Radeon x3000 Series

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12-09-2009, 10:30 AM
Thanks I didn't know that about the logo, but I've seen it in games before.

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12-09-2009, 10:31 AM
Radeon x3000 Series 300 i have not 3000

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12-09-2009, 10:33 AM
Radeon x3000 Series
This is a laptop? Make/model?

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12-09-2009, 10:34 AM
300 i have not 3000 If this is a ATI "300" series then no this GPU wont work.

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12-09-2009, 10:35 AM
Thanks I didn't know that about the logo, but I've seen it in games before.
And you have a Nvidia card right?

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12-09-2009, 10:36 AM
This is a laptop? Make/model?Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)

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12-09-2009, 10:42 AM
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)

Do this, go the Start button and do a "search" for dxdiag.exe run it. On the bottom you'll see a Save All Info button. Save the report to a TXT files to the desktop. Open it and paste it here.

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12-09-2009, 10:50 AM
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Sony Corporation
System Model: VGC-RC110G
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Page File: 442MB used, 2010MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: None
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode Card name: RADEON X300 Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x5B60)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60&SUBSYS_0005104D&REV_00
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200

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12-09-2009, 10:56 AM
CIpher_nemo, do you or anyone know if this game will run better under Nvidia or ATI yet? A friend told me that Champions loading screen specifically states it runs better under Nvidia. Just wondeirng because I'm looking at a new system, and I don't have a preference either way, but do not want issues.

Not really. Different generation architectures of both ATI and NVIDIA cards each have their strengths in specific areas. At one time ATI cards were better with AA while NVIDIA cards were better with high resolutions. And that changes with each new architecture out there. I wouldn't really worry about that too much. Just use the raw fillrate performance of cards to compare them and go with whatever card appeals to you.

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)
System Manufacturer: Sony Corporation
System Model: VGC-RC110G
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1022MB RAM
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode Card name: RADEON X300 Series
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200

Unfortunately, that laptop might struggle with STO... quite a bit. First, the GPU is old, second the memory is low at 1GB, third the CPU is a Pentium D which will probably run it but just barely and probably not very well, and forth you have 128MB of video memory which is very low for a 2010 game. On top of that your laptop's LCD is 1600x1200 native, and to drive the game at that resolution, your GPU would choke. As you have a current resolution of 1280x1024, it helps, but visually it's sub-par since not at its native resolution or native aspect-ratio.

Archived Post
12-09-2009, 10:59 AM
And you have a Nvidia card right?

In my current garbage system i have an ati, but i've seen this on other people's systems. I've been doing some research tho and it looks like if i want to go with 2 cards SLI and Nvidia seem the way to go. But 1 ATI can almost match performance in some games. Do you think STO will be graphics intensive enough to require 2 cards - I'd like to think so at high res.

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12-09-2009, 11:13 AM
In my current garbage system i have an ati, but i've seen this on other people's systems. I've been doing some research tho and it looks like if i want to go with 2 cards SLI and Nvidia seem the way to go. But 1 ATI can almost match performance in some games. Do you think STO will be graphics intensive enough to require 2 cards - I'd like to think so at high res.

For starters, the top single card out there right now is the NVIDIA GTX 295 which beats the new ATI 5870. But ATI will most likely release a 5870 X2 (dual GPU version of it) that will no doubt easily beat the GTX 295.

With that said, both of these cards can run games on high settings at extremely high resolutions or max settings at typical resolutions. There's no need for SLI or Crossfire, and it's a money sink in the end. Why? Multiple video cards give you more performance, but not all games will make use of that performance. So your framerate in games can improve anywhere from 10% to 90%. Most games will be around 40%, and I have a feeling STO will be around that mark as well. Furthermore, whenever you upgrade video cards, you're going to be stuck either buying two to four cards or waiting a long time to buy one new card that out performs your multiple card configuration.

I've done SLI with 7 and 8 series NVIDIA cards and I'm never going back to it. Dual-GPU cards like the GTX 295 and the new ATI 5000 series with future X2 models are more than enough. The 5000 series is a bargain right now when compared to the price of NVIDIA cards.

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12-09-2009, 11:38 AM
Thanks cipher - you see a lot on the web about this stuff, but it's nice to get info from someone who's tried both first hand. I've been thinking to go with a i5 and it seems like a dualGPU card would get me a lot on the type of boards the i5 uses.

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12-09-2009, 12:23 PM
Thanks cipher - you see a lot on the web about this stuff, but it's nice to get info from someone who's tried both first hand. I've been thinking to go with a i5 and it seems like a dualGPU card would get me a lot on the type of boards the i5 uses.

No problem. Yup, the Core i5 architecture is great and reasonably priced. The only real advantage of the Core i7 is more threading, a slight bandwidth increase, and triple-channel memory. But I don't think that justifies the price difference. I bought my Core i7 when the whole Core iAnything was new. I would have been more than happy with a Core i5 since my i7 is overkill anyways.

If you want a top card, I'd highly recommend the 5870 right now. It's future-proof with native DX11 support. All DX10 cards will support DX11, but they won't get all of the performance benefits of DX11. So when the gaming industry switches to DX11, the ATI 5000 series will get a huge performance bump, making them the best bang for your buck now and in the future. Or you can wait for NVIDIA's response to the ATI 5000 series (most likely the NVIDIA 300 series). But I just read recently that ATI (AMD) is releasing a 5970 soon, which is a dual GPU version of the 5870.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-310-5970,2491.html

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12-09-2009, 12:44 PM
In my current garbage system i have an ati, but i've seen this on other people's systems. I've been doing some research tho and it looks like if i want to go with 2 cards SLI and Nvidia seem the way to go. But 1 ATI can almost match performance in some games. Do you think STO will be graphics intensive enough to require 2 cards - I'd like to think so at high res.
I don't think you'll see any game improvement for STO with SLI as long as have a GTX 260 or better. I am not a fan of SLI. I had two 7950 GT once. Heat from them will warm your room in the winter and bake you in the summer. Increase electric bill. Just get a really good GPU.

cipher_nemo has a GTX 295 Co-Op video card which is overkill for STO but for other games especially with physx it's a great card.

EDIT: cipher_nemo, I really need to check the second page before response.:D

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12-09-2009, 12:48 PM
Yeah I'm on Tom's Hardware right now giving myself a crash course lol...a lot of people i know personally keep saying nvidia and i even earlier posted the same but the more i read about the 5000 series the more i like it from both a future potential and price standpoint

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12-09-2009, 12:54 PM
Yeah I'm on Tom's Hardware right now giving myself a crash course lol...a lot of people i know personally keep saying nvidia and i even earlier posted the same but the more i read about the 5000 series the more i like it from both a future potential and price standpoint
There's been times that I almost got a ATI card. The price/performance is better then Nvidia. Nvidia has physx but there not that many games with it yet. It's looks cool on Batman but not the kill feature yet, if ever.

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12-09-2009, 01:23 PM
cipher_nemo has a GTX 295 Co-Op video card which is overkill for STO but for other games especially with physx it's a great card.

EDIT: cipher_nemo, I really need to check the second page before response.:D

Hehehe, no worries. :)

As for my GTX 295, I really do need it to get high settings. I run on three 19" monitors for a combined gaming resolution of 3840x1024 (over 3.9 million pixels). I run all of that with a Matrox Triple Head 2 Go Digital device. A 30" monitor with 2560x1600 would be 4.1 million pixels, so I'm right there at a very high resolution. SLI helps a great deal with high resolutions, so that's why I've run it in the past. But with the 295, it's really two GTX 260 GPUs in one card for an internal SLI that helps a lot with high resolutions.

If I max all graphics settings, I can slow my system to between 20 and 30 FPS at that resolution. I can't talk about specifics of settings for STO due to the NDA. But then again, any developer's client isn't going to be the same power-hungry beast when it comes time to release it (due to tweaks and refinements). For released MMOs in general I can max all settings except AA and still meet and exceed my Vertical Sync for 60 FPS. So yes, I can turn everything up and force just about any game to get laggy even on my rig due to the resolution. Sheer number of pixels makes a huge difference. :)

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12-09-2009, 01:41 PM
Yeah, no i totally understand about the NDA. All this has been a huge help, both you guys. I know its been said, but what the two of you are doing to help guys like me is HUGE! I'm sure I'll find some more questions for you guys in the next while if you don't mind - thanks again!

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12-10-2009, 02:55 PM
Quiet. Too quiet. I'm scare.

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12-10-2009, 03:49 PM
Not sure if my system is up to specs. Can someone let me know?

AMD Turion X2 64 2.0Ghz
Nvidia GeForce 8200M

Everything else is fine. Thanks in advance.

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12-10-2009, 04:17 PM
Not sure if my system is up to specs. Can someone let me know?

AMD Turion X2 64 2.0Ghz
Nvidia GeForce 8200M

Everything else is fine. Thanks in advance.
Should be able to play STO at low setting.

Run STO test
http://www.yougamers.com/?mainnavi=true
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srl

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12-10-2009, 07:20 PM
Hey y'all. I decided based on your advice to just spend the money on a brand new PC tower ( I already have an HD monitor) Here's the specs, thanks for all your advice along the line!

HP Pavilion Elite e9200z PC
• Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
• AMD Phenom(TM) II X4 920 quad-core processor [2.8GHz, 2MB L2 + 6MB L3 shared, up to 4000MT/s]
• 6GB DDR3-1066MHz SDRAM [3 DIMMs]
• 640GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
• 1GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 220 [DVI, HDMI, VGA]
• LightScribe 16X max. DVD+/-R/RW SuperMulti drive
• Premium Wireless-N LAN card
• 15-in-1 memory card reader, 1 USB, 1394, audio
• Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
• HP multimedia keyboard and HP optical mouse
• Microsoft(R) Works 9.0
• Norton Internet Security(TM) 2010 - 15 month
• HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope


You may have to upgrade your power supply in this computer to run one of the better video cards i know for a fact HP puts 300 watt psu's in their form factor cases

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12-10-2009, 08:20 PM
Here are my specs:

Gateway GT5228

CPU - AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
CPU Speed - 2.21 GHz
RAM - 1.9 GB
Video Card - GeForce 6100
DirectX 10
Sound Card - Realtek High Definition Audio

I know that my video card's the main problem to tackle, otherwise I should be ok. Anyone know a good card I can use with this set?

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12-10-2009, 09:09 PM
Here are my specs:

Gateway GT5228

CPU - AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
CPU Speed - 2.21 GHz
RAM - 1.9 GB
Video Card - GeForce 6100
DirectX 10
Sound Card - Realtek High Definition Audio

I know that my video card's the main problem to tackle, otherwise I should be ok. Anyone know a good card I can use with this set?
Your GPU is way below minimum requirements. If you are on a budget I would recommend a ATI HD 3650 or 4650. Both cards require PSU with at least 300 W. So you may need to buy one too.

Edit: I just found your specs. You should have a 300 W PSU in your system. You just need a GPU. And you'll need to disable the integrated GPU in the BIOS.

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12-10-2009, 11:27 PM
Quiet. Too quiet. I'm scare.

Yup. For Wednesday and Thursday this week, things have been quiet everywhere. On the forums here, in my fleet's VoIP, in DDO I play, and on forums elsewhere too. Odd.

Thanks for helping out those who posted recently. :) I have perma paid-vacation Thursday and Friday every week until March 2010. So at home I spend more time gaming than I do checking the forums. ;)

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12-10-2009, 11:31 PM
Yup. For Wednesday and Thursday this week, things have been quiet everywhere. On the forums here, in my fleet's VoIP, in DDO I play, and on forums elsewhere too. Odd.

Thanks for helping out those who posted recently. :) I have perma paid-vacation Thursday and Friday every week until March 2010. So at home I spend more time gaming than I do checking the forums. ;)
A lot of unpaid overtime.

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12-10-2009, 11:35 PM
A lot of unpaid overtime.

More like someone never told me I accrued 400 paid vacation days until just a couple of weeks ago, lol. ;)

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12-10-2009, 11:45 PM
More like someone never told me I accrued 400 paid vacation days until just a couple of weeks ago, lol. ;)
Four day weekends. Time to go skiing.:D

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12-10-2009, 11:59 PM
Four day weekends. Time to go skiing.:D

Dude, I'm a computer geek, not a skier, lol. Time to plan out my PC projects, lol. My first one is making a nice wooden cart for my three 900W UPSes, complete with my cable modem, network switch, and other supplemental devices. Then it's on to switching out an old PC I use for my HTPC (runs MythTV) and getting the newer one configured. Then updating the Ubuntu distro of Linux from 7.10 to their latest on my server. And I have to switch out my gaming rig from Windows 7 RC-1 to RTM (been putting that off for a while since RC-1 is so stable). And then... oh, you get the idea. ;)

If I could retire tomorrow, I'd still have a million and one things to do with my time since I'm such a geek, lol. :D

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12-11-2009, 02:29 AM
My friend said the that my motherboard could only support a Intel quad core Q6700 CPU.
If I upgrade to this CPU along with a nvidia 9800 GTX and 4 gb of ram will I be able to play this game ?

Laren

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12-11-2009, 02:35 AM
My friend said the that my motherboard could only support a Intel quad core Q6700 CPU.
If I upgrade to this CPU along with a nvidia 9800 GTX and 4 gb of ram will I be able to play this game ?

Laren

Yup, no problem. It will be fairly smooth at moderate to high settings depending upon your gaming resolution.

But you didn't mention what CPU you have. If you have a Core 2 Duo CPU, you don't need to upgrade. If you have a Pentium D on a motherboard that can support Core 2 CPUs, then yes, upgrade.

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12-11-2009, 02:46 AM
I current have a Gigabyte S-series 965P-S3 motherboard with a Pentium D 3.6 gh CPU and Nvidia 9800 GTX
512 mb GPU. My friend said my motherboard could not support a Intel dual core 2 E8400 so he told me to
buy the Q6700.

Thanks
Laren

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12-11-2009, 04:10 AM
I current have a Gigabyte S-series 965P-S3 motherboard with a Pentium D 3.6 gh CPU and Nvidia 9800 GTX
512 mb GPU. My friend said my motherboard could not support a Intel dual core 2 E8400 so he told me to
buy the Q6700.

Thanks
Laren

You can upgrade the CPU of that motherboard to many different Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, or Core 2 Extreme CPUs, but not all. Your friend is right about the E8400, but your motherboard has BIOS updates available for it to support more CPUs up to July 2008. The BIOS version F13 for that motherboard includes a CPU microcode update from 7/17/2008.

To get it to work with a larger range of CPUs, you'll want to first flash the BIOS on your PC with the Pentium D CPU installed right now. Get the BIOS update here (latest one is F14): http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_Model.aspx?ProductID=2321#anchor_os. Or use Gigabyte's Live BIOS update utility found here: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/Utility_Model.aspx?ProductID=2321#anchor_os

Here is the complete CPU support list from Gigabyte for your motherboard: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?ProductID=2321#anchor_os

The cheapest you can go is a Core 2 Duo E4700 for around $120 new OEM ($140 retail w/ cooler) from various spots. The most expensive would be a Core 2 Extreme QX6800 which goes for around $900 OEM. The Q6700 you mentioned is $200 OEM ($235 w/ cooler). A better bet is the Q6600 which goes for $175 OEM ($185 w/ cooler). And you won't find any of these on Newegg since they're not something stocked anymore.

I'd opt for either a Q6600 or an E4700 since your motherboard supports both of these. The E4700 needs the F13 or later BIOS, while the Q6600 needs the F7 of later BIOS (F10 for G0 stepping model).

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12-11-2009, 04:18 AM
Everything on my computer seems to fit except my graphics card.

I'm going to upgrade to either an ATI 4350 or an NVIDIA 250GTS.

Would both of these work? Any opinions on which to go for?

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12-11-2009, 07:28 AM
Everything on my computer seems to fit except my graphics card.

I'm going to upgrade to either an ATI 4350 or an NVIDIA 250GTS.

Would both of these work? Any opinions on which to go for?

NVIDIA GTS 250 will let you play at High Graphics. The ATI 4350 below specs and not a gaming card. For ATI the HD 4650 is the entry gaming card and let you play at medium settings. The HD 4850 is closer to the GTS 250. Both of these cards need a at least a 450 W PSU with a PCIE cable. The HD 4650 only needs a 300 W PSU.

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12-11-2009, 07:45 AM
Dude, I'm a computer geek, not a skier, lol. Time to plan out my PC projects, lol. My first one is making a nice wooden cart for my three 900W UPSes, complete with my cable modem, network switch, and other supplemental devices. Then it's on to switching out an old PC I use for my HTPC (runs MythTV) and getting the newer one configured. Then updating the Ubuntu distro of Linux from 7.10 to their latest on my server. And I have to switch out my gaming rig from Windows 7 RC-1 to RTM (been putting that off for a while since RC-1 is so stable). And then... oh, you get the idea. ;)

If I could retire tomorrow, I'd still have a million and one things to do with my time since I'm such a geek, lol. :D
You are going to love RTM. Once you used Windows 7 64 you can never go back to XP or Vista. As much as a enjoy RC-1, my PC is a HTPC patch to run every audio/video though WMC. The codec pack I am using would break under RC.

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12-11-2009, 12:28 PM
That's more rumor or your personal experience with it than fact. DVI is a standard and nothing wrong the 4870 cards and their DVI ports. The 4870's main connections for diplaying anything is through a DVI port. Or did you mean to say "HDMI" or "display port"? I assume that was a mental typo on your part.

It's personal experience, and as I researched it, it seems to be a common problem. ATI doesn't intend to do anything about it. It has the plugs, but they just don't communicate with the monitors well via the DVI cable. Blank screens, what not.

I returned it for a GeForce GTX 260 Core 216

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12-11-2009, 12:46 PM
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Processor, 2 GB of RAM

I'm thinking of upgrading the video to an NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT 1GB DDR2, would this run it fine? I'm willing to sacrifice graphics for smoother gameplay, and I'm kind of hampered by only having PCI express x16 slots on my motherboard, instead of the 2.0 that most of the higher-end cards I'm finding require.

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12-11-2009, 01:27 PM
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Processor, 2 GB of RAM

I'm thinking of upgrading the video to an NVIDIA GeForce 9500GT 1GB DDR2, would this run it fine? I'm willing to sacrifice graphics for smoother gameplay, and I'm kind of hampered by only having PCI express x16 slots on my motherboard, instead of the 2.0 that most of the higher-end cards I'm finding require.
The 9500 GT is not a gaming card. STO will mostly run on very low settings. For Nvidia you should get a 9600 GT or better. The 9600 GT requires a 400W PSU w/o a PCIE cable and will run this game on medium settings. Now the ATI HD 4650 only needs a 300W PSU w/o a PCIE cable and will run this game on medium settings.

Any cards above these two will need a 450 PSU or better and will need a PCIE cable.

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12-11-2009, 03:08 PM
We just updated the FAQ (http://startrekonline.com/faq), but wanted to call it out here, as well. Star Trek Online's system requirements are as follows:
System Requirements
OS: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista / Windows 7 (32 or 64-bit) CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 Ghz or AMD Athlon X2 3800+ Memory: 1GB RAM Video: NVIDIA GeForce 7950 / ATI Radeon X1800 / Intel HD Graphics Sound: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Soundcard DirectX: Version 9.0c or Higher HDD: 8GB Free Disk Space Network: Internet Broadband Connection Required Disc: 6X DVD-ROM Recommended System Configuration
OS: Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista / Windows 7 (32 or 64-bit) CPU: Intel E8400 Core 2 Duo or AMD Athlon X2 5600+ Memory: 2GB RAM+ Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 / ATI Radeon HD 3850+ Sound: DirectX 9.0c Compatible Soundcard DirectX: Version 9.0c or Higher HDD: 8GB Free Disk Space Network: Internet Broadband Connection Required Disc: 6X DVD-ROM

Link to the news article. (http://startrekonline.com/node/494)

The NVIDIA GeForce 8800 seriously kicks a@@ i've had it for a year on my PC and i'm still in love with it:D

thx for the update!

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12-11-2009, 06:21 PM
It's personal experience, and as I researched it, it seems to be a common problem. ATI doesn't intend to do anything about it. It has the plugs, but they just don't communicate with the monitors well via the DVI cable. Blank screens, what not.

I returned it for a GeForce GTX 260 Core 216

4870 is a major card. If what you say is true, they wouldn't be able to sell any, or they would have recalled them. I think that's your personal experience, not fact. This is like saying USB ports don't work on a specific motherboard make and model. That just doesn't happen for new products. If you're going to claim something like that, linkage to an article about that, please (ie: not forum discussions from people troubleshooting issues).

This is most likely just some compatibility issue with specific components, not a wide-spread thing. Otherwise have to call BS on that one.

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12-11-2009, 07:35 PM
Looks like my laptop can't handle it, the only thing lacking is my graphics card: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family. I can't upgrade this either.....:( because of my intel graphics :(. Looks like I have to pray for a Xbox 360 version or PS3 version. :(:(

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12-11-2009, 07:56 PM
Looks like my laptop can't handle it, the only thing lacking is my graphics card: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family. I can't upgrade this either.....:( because of my intel graphics :(. Looks like I have to pray for a Xbox 360 version or PS3 version. :(:(
There will be an Xbox 360 version. It wouldn't be out till the summer.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/startrekonline/index.html

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12-11-2009, 08:06 PM
Is there any significant performance difference between AMD and Intel chips cause I found this really nice motherboard/cpu combo here (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5466799&csid=ITD) its a quad-core phenom chip and motherboard for $180 I already have a case, optical drive, os and harddrive meaning I can throw in ram a PSU and a Geforce 9500 for $400 Any thoughts?

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12-11-2009, 08:15 PM
There will be an Xbox 360 version. It wouldn't be out till the summer.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/startrekonline/index.html

I hope this is true....

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12-11-2009, 08:18 PM
Is there any significant performance difference between AMD and Intel chips cause I found this really nice motherboard/cpu combo here (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5466799&csid=ITD) its a quad-core phenom chip and motherboard for $180 I already have a case, optical drive, os and harddrive meaning I can throw in ram a PSU and a Geforce 9500 for $400 Any thoughts?
Not really, Intel's I7 are the performance king right now but you can't get them for under $200.00 and they are DDR3 only with 3 sticks of RAM making the system very expense. CAD, Professional Video Editors and Graphic Designers are true power users will benefit from these CPU because they can multiple task a lot easier.

Price/performance AMD are a better buy. The above average user like myself would barely even notice the difference. You can build an AMD gaming system starting around $500-600.00. A I7 is more like $1200.00. A I5 around $900.00. Without the OS.

That combo deal is a good buy. You're using DDR2 RAM which will save you money.

EDIT: The 9500 GT is not a gaming card. STO will mostly run on very low settings. For Nvidia you should get a 9600 GT or better. The 9600 GT requires a 400W PSU w/o a PCIE cable and will run this game on medium settings. Now the ATI HD 4650 only needs a 300W PSU w/o a PCIE cable and will run this game on medium settings.

Any cards above these two will need a 450 PSU or better and will need a PCIE cable.

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12-11-2009, 08:47 PM
does and NVIDIA Geforce with cuda dedicated 256mb will do?

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12-11-2009, 08:49 PM
Is there any significant performance difference between AMD and Intel chips (...)
Not really (...)

As White Knight mentioned, Core i7 is king right now, but it's pricey. I would say that an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition CPU would beat most Core i5 CPUs in performance, but not a Core i7.

The Black editions have unlocked multipliers that allow for more overclocking. As a result, AMD's reputation is on the line when they do this, so they generally pick the top performing CPUs out of their manufacturing lines to package them as X4 Blacks. Very solid CPUs and a very reasonable price. Evne Core i5s will have problems beating the cost to performance ratio of AMDs.

I have no brand loyalty myself and will go with whoever releases the fastest, new CPUs at any given time. It goes back and forth between Intel and AMD for this. And that competition helps us all by keeping prices down. I went Intel for Core 2 Duo's introduction and Core i7's introduction, but I went AMD during Pentium 4 days.

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12-11-2009, 08:49 PM
does and NVIDIA Geforce with cuda dedicated 256mb will do?
Cuda has nothing to do with gaming. Which card model are you talking about?

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12-12-2009, 01:58 AM
# • Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
# • Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor T6600 (2.2GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)
# • 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
# • 320GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
# • 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 4650
# • 17.3" diagonal HD+ High-Definition HP LED BrightView Widescreen Display (1600 x 900)

Ok, i have been out of pc gaming for 10 years, so I am totally lost when it comes to specs now.

Any advice?

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12-12-2009, 02:05 AM
# • Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
# • Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor T6600 (2.2GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)
# • 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
# • 320GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
# • 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 4650
# • 17.3" diagonal HD+ High-Definition HP LED BrightView Widescreen Display (1600 x 900)

Ok, i have been out of pc gaming for 10 years, so I am totally lost when it comes to specs now.

Any advice?
For a laptop you are OK. You'll be able to play at medium setting.
Run STO test
http://www.yougamers.com/?mainnavi=true
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srl

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12-12-2009, 09:14 AM
actually im not sure of what NVIDIA GEFORCE with cuda i have ahm ill say all my specs

Sony VAIO CW series
Intel Core 2 duo T6600 2.20GHz
RAM DDR3 2 slots 2 GB ea = 4GB of total
Windows 7 home premium 64 bit
GeForce® GT210M GPU with 256MB dedicated VRAM

i had a graphic score of 4.9 from windows 7 performance rating

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12-12-2009, 09:52 AM
What would be some easy upgrades to the one I posted?

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12-12-2009, 10:11 AM
What would be some easy upgrades to the one I posted?
Need make/model.

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12-12-2009, 10:21 AM
Hp Pavilion DV7T

I am trying to buid something for the near future.

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12-12-2009, 10:31 AM
actually im not sure of what NVIDIA GEFORCE with cuda i have ahm ill say all my specs

Sony VAIO CW series
Intel Core 2 duo T6600 2.20GHz
RAM DDR3 2 slots 2 GB ea = 4GB of total
Windows 7 home premium 64 bit
GeForce® GT210M GPU with 256MB dedicated VRAM

i had a graphic score of 4.9 from windows 7 performance rating
What's make and model? Do a search on your PC for dxdiag.exe and run it. There a button "Save All info" save it as .txt file opening it and post it here. As far a I can tell there is no such thing as a GT210M. The "T" maybe a typo.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_m_series.html

Information helps.

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12-12-2009, 10:45 AM
Hp Pavilion DV7T

I am trying to buid something for the near future.
You're buying it from the HP Store right? Information helps. What's you budget? If you can get 8GB RAM now. The 4650 is the best that model has and then buy the best CPU you can afford.

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12-12-2009, 10:57 AM
yeah, from hp.com

ok, this is about my upper limit on price.


OS Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor P7550 (2.26GHz, 3 MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)
Memory 4GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Hard drive 320GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 4650

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12-12-2009, 11:03 AM
ok, this is about my upper limit on price.


OS Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor P7450 (2.13GHz, 3 MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz FSB)
Memory 4GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Hard drive 320GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
Graphics card 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 4650

Then you're good to go. As your needs grow you can add more RAM. I am only running 4GB now. You may even be able to upgrade the CPU later too. I would have a shop do that.

Honestly you are going to have one of the better laptop being use for STO. Most of the laptop users have lesser GPU then you do. Because of Graphics the next price jump is $3000.00. You'll be OK.

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12-12-2009, 11:15 AM
yeah, adding more put me over the limit, but i did go with the p7550