Star Trek Online

Star Trek Online (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/index.php)
-   PvP Gameplay (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=125)
-   -   FEDS vs. Klingons - PUG vs. L2P (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=117399)

Archived Post 02-14-2010 12:18 PM

FEDS vs. Klingons - PUG vs. L2P
 
ok Feds.... apparently a few of you think it is not a L2P issue....


So, if that is the case... This will be simple....

Whats does the first 2 minutes of your team chat look like? Are you even teaming up? 90% of the Fed groups I have been in (T2) have groupped up, but when orders were given to stay together or to put power into shields as escorts... people just did what they wanted, didn't listen, etc... There was a flat out refusal to use tactics.... this was akin to the Klingon side during OB... where for the first week we were stomped on over and over because the Feds were organized, we were not... nothing has really changed, so it is a learn to play issue.... because in Open Beta the people that knew how to play were pvp'ing as feds in a ball of death that won 100% of the time.... but for some reason, that ball seems to not be effective anymore... and I have witnessed this due to lack of communication.... it is what I have seen first hand on the fed side. Maybe it gets better T3 and up... or T4 and up... I have seen the best Klingon groups I have found in T4 get smashed after 20 victories in a row because we finally ran into a smart group of feds that obviously were communicating. Those are the good times, the bad times in pvp in this game is when I and other klingons are just farming stupid fed players that feed us their solo ships after they die.... they simply just fly back to us just as we are finishing up destroying their other teammates... its just this winderful experience buffett of noob feds that fly one at a time into our Klingon ball... This is what the Feds used to be capable of, but they no longer communicate to pull this off, WE DO!


This is L2P, because 90% of the Klingons know better then this. Right off the bat we team up, we cloak up, we fly together, we wait till everybody is there, we figure out who is who on our enemy side, we figure out who is going to open up the cloak, who is going to heal.... When we die, we instantly shouty for a regroup, and for those in the fray to get out ASAP and meet back up. Our strength is in numbers and communication. What is the FED strength in? The same thing!

On Fed side, do you not figure out who is going to heal, who is going to crowd control? Seriously, I have yet to see it once out of 30 pvp games in the past few days in T2 as Fed.... I see it ALL the time on the Klingon side.

Yes, Klingons pvp as a way of life, Feds dabble in it between pve content.... that is huge.... the average pve group is you entering an instance, auto groupping with the others doing that quest, nobody talks, they just do what they want, and when quest is done they disband....

As Klingong, we are used to loosing till we find the good group, we stay together for the most part, not letting go of a winning formula... this is all on the Pick up Group side.

The answer.... get more pvp under your belt... I have hundreds and hundreds of pvp matches under my belt to be almost T5... hundreds of losses and hundreds of wins... I have been VM'ed, and I have VM'ed. I have been pounced on, I have pounced on others... I lead nearly 80% of my groups both PUG and Fleet on ventrillo. If I am not leading I am following anothers orders.... or I am simply on auto pilot waiting for the right team to come around. This is not your typical Feds day in the life of moment....

Archived Post 02-14-2010 12:25 PM

I think you have a flawled logic of, all FED sucks in pvp and all klingons are pvp geniuses...it doesnt work that way. The fact is, that most people, who like pvp on FED side, do not suck. SO..please, so noone can blame you for elitist e-peen thread..try to avoid unneeded generalisation.

Beside, threads like this are as much anoying as threads called "kllinks are overpowered because blablab", "nerf cloak blabla" etc.

But if it does make you feel better, creating a dozen threads basicaly about same subject....

Archived Post 02-14-2010 12:29 PM

A) where is the flaw in my logic? I think I made it very clear what my experiences were....
B) Bad players are on both sides... just that one side doesn't think that team play is important as a whole while the other side considers it to be a standard.
C) I understand that the bigger problem is that 90% of the playerbase is Fed, therefore only a small percentage of that faction is actually a die hard pvp'er. Where as at least 80 of those who roll Klingons are die hard pvp'ers.

Archived Post 02-14-2010 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalnar
I think you have a flawled logic of, all FED sucks in pvp and all klingons are pvp geniuses...it doesnt work that way. The fact is, that most people, who like pvp on FED side, do not suck. SO..please, so noone can blame you for elitist e-peen thread..try to avoid unneeded generalisation.

Beside, threads like this are as much anoying as threads called "kllinks are overpowered because blablab", "nerf cloak blabla" etc.

But if it does make you feel better, creating a dozen threads basicaly about same subject....

Your an obvious troll or incapable of understanding the basic concept of what he is presenting. Either way its people like yourself that ruin the game with your constant whining instead of playing the match.

Archived Post 02-14-2010 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korolyk
Your an obvious troll or incapable of understanding the basic concept of what he is presenting. Either way its people like yourself that ruin the game with your constant whining instead of playing the match.

Hmm how do i exactly ruin the game with my constant whining ? where im i whining ? please tell me. SO before you accuse me of something, dear troll, back up your "claims" with something.

I just did say, that i find QQ threads by BOTH sides as much as anoying as "advice" threads to FEDs. And was also hitning that its not first such thread from OP :p I just find that "advice" threads should be aimed at low skilled people, not FEDs..as those threads just make elistism feeling of FEDs = suck. Im just fed up with that constant, fed this, fed that..

I think those FEDs, who do high level pvp, are interested on it, and the whining portion is very small minority. The eternal complainers will never learn and are on both sides.

Archived Post 02-14-2010 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojokujo
ok Feds.... apparently a few of you think it is not a L2P issue....


This is L2P, because 90% of the Klingons know better then this. Right off the bat we team up, we cloak up, we fly together, we wait till everybody is there, we figure out who is who on our enemy side, we figure out who is going to open up the cloak, who is going to heal.... When we die, we instantly shouty for a regroup, and for those in the fray to get out ASAP and meet back up. Our strength is in numbers and communication. What is the FED strength in? The same thing!

This is So True, Every time I enter a PVP match as Klingon the first thing I do is Find out who is there and Either create a team or enter one. Then Find out where they are or Move to a position where we all group up. Sometimes we talk, sometimes we do not. but, we always Group up.

I played the fed side and Tried to group up several times.. a lot of times my requests get rejected. other times they group up and do not stay together. Some times I joined just to see if anyone will group with me.. and during the match, i clicked on all the Fed ships and not one of there were grouped..

I am not pointing fingers or whining. I am just stating what I have seen and done in this game up to this point.

Archived Post 02-14-2010 12:59 PM

Power to shields to survive the klingon alpha as an escort? I play science and when the klingons get a proper alpha they take my shields down in seconds(6k+ t2, 7k+t3, 8k+t4). You want to run away to reduce the damage the shield regen is I think 3 times normal at 100 to shields, most will run covariant shields, gaining a couple hundred shield hp after losing several thousand in a few seconds probably is not the best way to survive.

But idk maybe it's diff since OB.

Archived Post 02-14-2010 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mockeryangel
Power to shields to survive the klingon alpha as an escort? I play science and when the klingons get a proper alpha they take my shields down in seconds(6k+ t2, 7k+t3, 8k+t4). You want to run away to reduce the damage the shield regen is I think 3 times normal at 100 to shields, most will run covariant shields, gaining a couple hundred shield hp after losing several thousand in a few seconds probably is not the best way to survive.

But idk maybe it's diff since OB.

Both Klingons and Feds have Alpha Strike. The moment you Hit Reverse Shield Polarity. That Alpha Strike does you a favor and regens your shields for you.

Try it and see

Archived Post 02-14-2010 01:32 PM

I play with a small group of RL friends.

We have toons on both Fed and Klingon sides.

We expect to - and do win the overwhelming majority of everything we get ourselves into (PvP wise)..on both sides.

We've dealt with Decloak>Focus>Run tactics...we've dealt with bunched up Feds, we've dealt with PUGs, we've had awesome matches VS what appeared to be other premades.

We've been blown up on occasion, we've had losses - and so we've changed our ships and loadouts, we've cycled through BOs and tried just about every skill we've had available to be used.

Trust me - playing the game and trying things ensures that deaths are minimal. To counter something that kills you is to employ the ability/playstyle/team configuration that ensures your survival. Actually trying things and seeing what works and to what degree.

What not to do is theorycraft and then proceed whine about how according to the results of your spreadsheet analysis you shouldn't have to put up with crap like that in the first place, how, if they know what they are doing, the devs will fix the issue for you (otherwise they lose a subscriber) and expect the problem to solve itself.

This is the game - them are the rules. Learn the rules, play the game and win.

"Hi, I'm a Rook. Pawn is fine, but nerf the Queen!!"

Archived Post 02-14-2010 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mojokujo
ok Feds.... apparently a few of you think it is not a L2P issue....


So, if that is the case... This will be simple....

Whats does the first 2 minutes of your team chat look like? Are you even teaming up? 90% of the Fed groups I have been in (T2) have groupped up, but when orders were given to stay together or to put power into shields as escorts... people just did what they wanted, didn't listen, etc... There was a flat out refusal to use tactics.... this was akin to the Klingon side during OB... where for the first week we were stomped on over and over because the Feds were organized, we were not... nothing has really changed, so it is a learn to play issue.... because in Open Beta the people that knew how to play were pvp'ing as feds in a ball of death that won 100% of the time.... but for some reason, that ball seems to not be effective anymore... and I have witnessed this due to lack of communication.... it is what I have seen first hand on the fed side. Maybe it gets better T3 and up... or T4 and up... I have seen the best Klingon groups I have found in T4 get smashed after 20 victories in a row because we finally ran into a smart group of feds that obviously were communicating. Those are the good times, the bad times in pvp in this game is when I and other klingons are just farming stupid fed players that feed us their solo ships after they die.... they simply just fly back to us just as we are finishing up destroying their other teammates... its just this winderful experience buffett of noob feds that fly one at a time into our Klingon ball... This is what the Feds used to be capable of, but they no longer communicate to pull this off, WE DO!


This is L2P, because 90% of the Klingons know better then this. Right off the bat we team up, we cloak up, we fly together, we wait till everybody is there, we figure out who is who on our enemy side, we figure out who is going to open up the cloak, who is going to heal.... When we die, we instantly shouty for a regroup, and for those in the fray to get out ASAP and meet back up. Our strength is in numbers and communication. What is the FED strength in? The same thing!

On Fed side, do you not figure out who is going to heal, who is going to crowd control? Seriously, I have yet to see it once out of 30 pvp games in the past few days in T2 as Fed.... I see it ALL the time on the Klingon side.

Yes, Klingons pvp as a way of life, Feds dabble in it between pve content.... that is huge.... the average pve group is you entering an instance, auto groupping with the others doing that quest, nobody talks, they just do what they want, and when quest is done they disband....

As Klingong, we are used to loosing till we find the good group, we stay together for the most part, not letting go of a winning formula... this is all on the Pick up Group side.

The answer.... get more pvp under your belt... I have hundreds and hundreds of pvp matches under my belt to be almost T5... hundreds of losses and hundreds of wins... I have been VM'ed, and I have VM'ed. I have been pounced on, I have pounced on others... I lead nearly 80% of my groups both PUG and Fleet on ventrillo. If I am not leading I am following anothers orders.... or I am simply on auto pilot waiting for the right team to come around. This is not your typical Feds day in the life of moment....

i agree - but funny how you dont mention you can stay cloaked while doing this - feds cant...and im not belittling cloak, it just gives you the advantage to take your time as where feds dont get the same time balance.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:25 AM.