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Archived Post 03-18-2010 07:16 AM

Message to all Klingon Fleets
 
The Klingon faction needs a voice that Cryptic will listen to.

Will some of the more enterprising fleet leaders please get together as a group and contact Cryptic to represent Klingon faction concerns? Cryptic may not understand, but they sent a clear message with the 45-day update that Klingon players are 3rd rate customers. Someone with standing needs to explain to Cryptic that they are nerfing a nearly dead dog, that giving the Feds 3 new plyable species and off-duty clothing while handing bread crumbs to the "other faction" is causing the death spiral to accelerate.

The Klingon faction needs immediate CPR or it is going to die. They need to install consentual all-tier open PVP. They need to give their "art department" the mission to provide Klingons character/ship customization with a minimum of HALF the options Feds have. They need to put away the nerf bat as it applies to things Klingon until the Klingon population stabilizes and the faction is healthy.

Perhaps they can't see the need thru all the chatter, the fanboi posts and flames. But they should have a clear view of the numbrs, which can't be all that great.

Call yourselves the High Council if you like, but other than some assembly of fleet leaders who else can speak for the Klingon faction as a whole with any authority?

Archived Post 03-18-2010 01:44 PM

I love how everyone likes to blame Cryptic for the current state of <whatever you're complaining about today>.

The *fact* is, the current state of the Klingon empire is the fault of CBS Studios, NOT Cryptic (but that story has no place here).

Atop that, nobody in my fleet is too worried about the 45 day patch, as they're aware that there's another patch just about that far away, again.

Did you ever stop to think that those three new races and off-duty uniforms were already in development when the game went live and including them in the first patch just made sense? No, OF COURSE you didn't.

You need to calm down and give things time. The 45 day patch was already being worked on well before the game released, and its content was pretty much decided during the final 'open' beta.

It's been said many times, but I'll say it again (and this comes DIRECTLY from Cryptic):

If you want to see something in-game, follow these steps:
  1. 1) File an in-game ticket under Other, or find the area that most closely matches your idea, and file it there (The important thing is that you submit a ticket, where the ticket is submitted isn't as important, per se).
  2. Create a FORUM THREAD in the appropriate forum detailing your idea and REFERENCE your ticket number.
  3. TELL PEOPLE about your idea and send them to the forums to comment on your thread (use something like tinyurl to make it easier for people to get to your thread).
  4. When you've got a significant, noticeable number of people on your thread who support your idea, go to the STO IRC channel, shake loose a Cryptic Employee, and give him/her the ticket number and a link to the forum thread so he/she can present SOLID DATA to Cryptic on behalf of you and the userbase.


In short, CHAMPION your cause!
The only thing I would add to this list is "Make sure you're only submitting tickets and starting threads about ONE idea at a time".

NOTHING ELSE will work. No amount of crying, complaining, nay-saying, etc is going to get your point across to Cryptic. The *only* thing they are going to respond to is numbers. You show them numbers supporting your idea/cause and they'll look into it. No 'High Council' or committee necessary.

Aside from that, I'm not comfortable with any designated group making decisions or speaking on behalf of the entire empire.

Archived Post 03-18-2010 03:13 PM

Whether those Fed species and off-duty clothes were under development before of after open beta is of little consequence (and yes I've considered that possibility as stated on another thread).

Have you considered that Cryptic is doing this purely out of a desire for C-store sales?


Quote:

Originally Posted by STObee
Maybe there are reasons why the Feds got three new playable species and Klingons got didly. Maybe Cryptic desperatly needs the income from C-store. Maybe those three species were already done at launch and scheduled for release at 45-days as padding to make Cryptic look like they've been working hard on new material.

Cryptic knew Klingons were underdeveloped. Cryptic CHOSE to spend the resources on those three Fed C-store species and off-duty clothes, and chose NOT to spend them on further development of the Klingon faction. CBS did not make that call, Cryptic did.

I have calmed down - you should have seen me last week (or maybe you did). :eek:

There are numerous threads concerning the status of the Klingon faction. None of them seem to be pointing in a positive direction.

As for gathering a bunch of supporters and CHAMPIONING a cause - that is the purpose of this thread. I don't intend to do it all by myself and the "muscle" of a few fleets should go a long way. If you don't want to participate that's your call.

Thank you for the run-down on what Cryptic's process is. Apparently very few know or use it, or Cryptic ignores it. For example, they still haven't fixed the Ganalda vendors which were identified and reported numerous times during beta. Perhaps I can summon the patience to try it out. Unfortunately I don't have a desire to wait another 45-days for the next update (and according to your explaination the content of which is already nearly done or in test stage). If there is only one bureaucratic way to get thru to Cryptic they are being willfully tone deaf.

Cryptic knew thay had short sheeted the Klingon faction, but they CHOSE to continue to devote the bulk of their resources to the Fed faction. I'd have to be pretty heavily medicated to believe they are going to change that trend unless the Klingons develop a voice . . . and a spine.

Archived Post 03-18-2010 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STObee
Cryptic knew thay had short sheeted the Klingon faction, but they CHOSE to continue to devote the bulk of their resources to the Fed faction. I'd have to be pretty heavily medicated to believe they are going to change that trend unless the Klingons develop a voice and a spine.

The point I'm trying to make here is: Cryptic is only going to listen to you if you go through the proper channels. By way of championing causes: I will happily lend my voice, opinion and/or support to any cause that goes through the proper steps.

As for Cryptic being blind, deaf, or otherwise ignoring us: That's simply not true. I talk to one, sometimes two Cryptic devs every single day, including one responsible for player<->dev communication/relations. In fact, that's where I got the steps for improvement that I posted right here.

if there were MORE than one bureaucratic way to get through to Cryptic, little would get done. Stop and think for a minute about the amount of feedback that they get and have to process every day. Every MMO company has a very similar manner of taking suggestions and ideas, WE just happen to be lucky enough to have a company that actually reads, considers, and responds to us.

Cryptic initially had a much longer timeline to release the game. CBS forced them to release when they were mostly done with their initial plans for fed content. When CBS decided to force this ridiculous release deadline, there was ***NO*** Klingon content. We are lucky we get to play Klingons _at all_. Let me say that one more time:
We are lucky we get to play Klingons _at all_.
It's not so much that Cryptic short-sheeted us, they just expected to have another 9 months to a year to properly develop the game. CBS Studios for the loss.

All that being said, there are game mechanic issues I would love to see addressed, and I can understand people's desire for customizable ships/off-duty uniforms and PvE content (both coming already), but beyond that: I am happy with the Klingon side. I like that there is little to do besides PvP, it fosters exactly the kind of environment I want :D But that's just me.

I have to say, though, if you're going to keep your "Cryptic is the devil" mentality, not only are you NOT going to gain any support, you're going to lose mine, as well.

Archived Post 03-18-2010 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daede
I love how everyone likes to blame Cryptic for the current state of <whatever you're complaining about today>.

The *fact* is, the current state of the Klingon empire is the fault of CBS Studios, NOT Cryptic (but that story has no place here).

Atop that, nobody in my fleet is too worried about the 45 day patch, as they're aware that there's another patch just about that far away, again.

Did you ever stop to think that those three new races and off-duty uniforms were already in development when the game went live and including them in the first patch just made sense? No, OF COURSE you didn't.

You need to calm down and give things time. The 45 day patch was already being worked on well before the game released, and its content was pretty much decided during the final 'open' beta.

It's been said many times, but I'll say it again (and this comes DIRECTLY from Cryptic):

If you want to see something in-game, follow these steps:
  1. Submit an in-game FEEDBACK ticket describing your idea.
  2. Create a FORUM THREAD in the appropriate forum detailing your idea and REFERENCE your ticket number.
  3. TELL PEOPLE about your idea and send them to the forums to comment on your thread (use something like tinyurl to make it easier for people to get to your thread).
  4. When you've got a significant, noticeable number of people on your thread who support your idea, go to the STO IRC channel, shake loose a Cryptic Employee, and give him/her the ticket number and a link to the forum thread so he/she can present SOLID DATA to Cryptic on behalf of you and the userbase.


In short, CHAMPION your cause!
The only thing I would add to this list is "Make sure you're only submitting tickets and starting threads about ONE idea at a time".

NOTHING ELSE will work. No amount of crying, complaining, nay-saying, etc is going to get your point across to Cryptic. The *only* thing they are going to respond to is numbers. You show them numbers supporting your idea/cause and they'll look into it. No 'High Council' or committee necessary.

Aside from that, I'm not comfortable with any designated group making decisions or speaking on behalf of the entire empire.

You're my Hero.

Archived Post 03-18-2010 04:21 PM

You should realy read whats in development before posting stuff like this....

45 day patch comming soon will add klingon content (non PvP)

http://www.startrekonline.com/calendar

Archived Post 03-18-2010 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwordofStars
You should realy read whats in development before posting stuff like this....

45 day patch comming soon will add klingon content (non PvP)

http://www.startrekonline.com/calendar

I think you should go back and re-read the thread.

Archived Post 03-18-2010 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daede
The *fact* is, the current state of the Klingon empire is the fault of CBS Studios, NOT Cryptic (but that story has no place here).

FALSE. I too thought this to be true. until someone linked an article on the old beta forums where it stated that when CBS was shopping for a new developer, cryptic said that they could do it with the engine they had in place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by STObee
Whether those Fed species and off-duty clothes were under development before of after open beta is of little consequence (and yes I've considered that possibility as stated on another thread).
Have you considered that Cryptic is doing this purely out of a desire for C-store sales?

[b]Cryptic knew Klingons were underdeveloped. Cryptic CHOSE to spend the resources on those three Fed C-store species and off-duty clothes, and chose NOT to spend them on further development of the Klingon faction. CBS did not make that call, Cryptic did.

I agree with you here. Basically, since most of their paying player base is Fed, they are going to do everything they can do to keep those guys/gal happy. Essentially milking the cow....

Archived Post 03-18-2010 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zyvox76
FALSE. I too thought this to be true. until someone linked an article on the old beta forums where it stated that when CBS was shopping for a new developer, cryptic said that they could do it with the engine they had in place.

CBS Said: release by "x date" or we give the game to someone else to develop.
Atari said: release by the date CBS specified or you lose your $20,000,000 bonus (already half spent in development)

What, exactly was Cryptic supposed to do? Lose the $7,000,000 - $12,000,000 they already had invested and call the whole thing a bad idea?

No. They played the hand that was FORCED upon them, and did the best that they could. All things considered, Cryptic is doing a STELLAR job with this game.

Here's an idea, try looking at the whole picture instead of basing your opinion of the company's efforts off of a single forum post.

Archived Post 03-18-2010 05:39 PM

Listen (word removed), not trying to fight you here. just informing. I like the game, I am enjoying myself, I am trying to give input where it can be better. I am not going to let Cryptic look innocent. yes, they only had a short time, yes they wanted the $$, and they did prob what I would have done as a business- get the most bang for what they could. They chose to develop the fed side since thats where most people would be leveling. Now, lets move on and give them the ideas and feedback they need to turn things around.

edit: thus the reason why i used pink as my highlight instead of red.


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