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Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:03 AM

Disturbing Turn-Offs of the C-Store...
 
Don't even bother reading this if you cannot devote at least 10-15 minutes to the point I'm going to make.

After about 70 Hours of play-time clocked in and currently sitting at a Captain Rank 3 Human Tactical Officer, I've come to the conclusion it would be a good time to start digging deeper into the roots of this game to see if it will keep my attention for more than a month. (If you will notice, I'm not going to directly into the topic of the C-Store just yet, I will attempt to make a point first relevant to the topic).

Let's start off with the game itself in general. It's incomplete to say the least. Not trying to be harsh but seriously this is why the game doesn't have as many players as the fanbase thought it would (I'm going to make a very biased comparison to World Of ******** in the next paragraph). Many questions about Episodes are left un-answered, the site itself doesn't even accurately describe what in the Sol System is going on (If you didn't get the reference, it's WTH) with the current time and place of the game's setting itself.

Patches are fine and dandy, and add some much anticipated content, but this is where things begin to get very shaky and it's almost to the point where I'd rather quit than play with such un-evened opportunities (Note, I said un-evened, not "Omg that is so hax and i haz to pay more $$$ 4 it!?). For those of you who don't spend $500 on "Cryptic-Points", you know what I'm getting at. We already paid for the game itself, and we are still forced to pay a $15 / month fee to play. This is where I'm really confused. In a game like World of ******** (Which mind you I already told you I would make this comment eventually, and yes, I have played WoW for 5 years now and have good reason to use it as a point of reference) you purchase the game, and the expansions that come with it every year and still pay $15 / month, similar to Star Trek Online except for the fact that they release patches instead of expansions (Mainly from my point of view, the seasons are too small in file to ship out as expansions).

Oddly enough, when you purchase the game and the expansions, you get access to everything, yeah there are some premium features that require some extra cash outside the game to do, however those are purely to do with movement of characters across a multi-server game and changing the name / faction of said character (If you worked in Database Systems, you would know that sometimes the transfer of said file can be at times quite complicated). What really makes me curious is how limited Cryptic makes us unless we purchase extras from them (Yes I know what your thinking "BS Bro, They let us make klingons and become rear admirals with the top ships", Ok, why can't you be a Caitian Rear Admiral since they are allegedly part of the federation, oh looky Cryptic wants more money from you other than the $15/month they already charge you).

I've honestly never seen a game suck it's players dry to the bone just so they could have access to features which should in all honesty, be already given to them when they purchased the game. I can reference 5 more games and sit here and say why they do things better than Cryptic and how much more successful they are, but no, I'm going to now outline exactly why this C-Store nonsense should be revised and drastically altered to only used for Character Data Altering Services.

Let's divide it up into what's good and bad about it now, and a very simple change that could be made to increase the player's overall view of the game and playing experience.

Going to start off listing some pros, good first, then the bad.

Pros:

1. Hey man, you get some cool stuff that most other players can't get unless they want to spend mega bucks on some virtual items.

2. Some features like extra re-specs and name changes and special hull registry's are somethings that are worth paying for.

3. You can use things other players can't.

(Yeah, really not that many Pros, prepare for some Khans, err I mean cons!)

Cons:

1. It costs money, which the game itself charges you monthly.

2. If your under 18 and your parents are the Anti-Christs of video games, might want to go play a different game if you really want something from the C-Store.

3. Certain special features such as Bridges / Ships / Races, are prohibited from the standard game unless you purchase bridge packs or special ships or races on the C-store.

4. Some players may find that they can obtain somewhat of an advantage over other players by having a race that has abilities that they couldn't obtain (If your going to try to quote this, just seriously I'll write you a 10 paragraph hate-rage as to why this is a valid point).

5. Why are we limited to 3 character slots, bro, WoW has 10 (per server!!!), and even EvE-Online has at the least 4 (If I'm not mistaken I think it was upped to 6, FREE OF CHARGE!)

6. There's a limit on how many ships we can own? So let me get this straight, if we want to put one extra escort in the virtual drydock, its going to cost me around $5?

7. Your giving things to other players who simply put more money in your pocket and make the game quite unbalanced and unfair. (Oh let me guess, just like the Nebula and the Excelsior your putting in the C-Store, any other cool ships that all the players DID NOT WANT IN THE C-Store, are going to end up there?)

Solution: (For anyone who is interested, there have been multiple suggestions for solutions posted throughout the thread, please take the time to review them and not just go based off my suggestions.)

1. Only use the C-Store for name changes and account transfers maybe, and it will hurt me to say this but I suppose you need some money (lol), go ahead and keep the option to add character slots. (And why not start selling t-shirts and some other STO gear, that'd be cool)

2. Give your players what they paid for, Star Trek, the whole shabang, not a piece meal choppy unfair advantage game for people who want to stuff your pockets with cash. (This will kill the MMO in good time if you keep this up). THIS MEANS ALL THE SHIP SKINS, ALL THE BRIDGES, ALL THE RACES THAT WE EXPECT TO SEE IN STAR TREK!

If you put my Nebula Class in the C-Store, I don't even want to describe what horrific acts of terror I will have to commit on my keyboard. We might as well whip open the bible and begin the funeral prayer for my computer, he will unfortunately be the next target.

In all honesty, drastically alter the C-Store.. I'd prefer that people's dreams of playing out the missions of a starfleet captain are not crushed because you could have pulled a stunt that could obliterate a game with such great potential based on such an epic multi-generation tv-series that has never been taken on the MMO scale.

Yeah, Hope you devs, gms, etc. have a good long look at this. This is not hate-raging or lashing out, this is a discussion to voice my opinions on what should be done with this game, after all, the community is what makes a game what it is. I'm sure this isn't the only complaint post you've heard or seen within the past year. And if any of this goes against your forum policies, I'd like to personally apologize, it was not an intentional offense.

For those of you going to reply, heh, i may be arrogant, but I'm sure most of you would agree with what I'm posting here.

(A shout out to any Devs who may come by reading this post, I personally, would like to say you are doing an excellent job with the game from what I've seen. After listening to Craig's and Dan's interviews with game review sites/magazines I'm blooming with excitement for what is yet to come. Keep up the good work, this game can really make it big time if these seasons are frequent and content packed!)

Once again, don't put my nebula class in the C-Store, Or I might have to hate-rage...

Yours Truly,
Captain Themagikz of the U.S.S. Freedom

Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:10 AM

for the love of your readers fix the wall of text up front and I will like to read it but with my dyslexia it is impossible now.

Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:17 AM

Hacked and slashed at the wall to make it less intimidating :)

Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:24 AM

Turn off of the C-Store and put the new content in patches.

Thx

Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:29 AM

read it trough and first let me correct you on some facts:

WoW does offer the same as cryptic (mount and in game pets)
EVE online only has 3 slots, but hell not so important there.


I myself was a big no against micro transactyions, but by now I see they are slowly becoming more and more a part of the mmo gaming world to get the money they no longer get from subcriptions (we still pay 15 just like we did 5+ years ago)

The only thing I currently disagree on are the prices for the per character items. I know many are ****ed off about the galaxy X aswell, but I couldn't care less for I hate the galaxy design anyway :)


This is just something we will have to accept seeing most of the plpayer base accept it in there in lies the power of the companies.

Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:34 AM

Ah true, But in terms of WoW, those extra things, the pets dont give buffs like the tribble and targ do and the mounts are purely cosmetic whereas ships in STO could be used in several different ways which effects gameplay directly. Also, I know for a fact there are 4 slots on EvE :), Considering I played that for 3 years.

Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:36 AM

the diffrence with all those games you have pointed out, is they dont have a big money-hungry company poking them with a stick constantly to get more money out of there players...

also, i can understand why they charge for character slots...thats alot of data per toon you make. 8xbo's and 8xships (both with equipment) slots or so... no other game has to store that much data on a per character basis,at least i think so.

the other stuff should be in the game allready, but like i said cryptic dont exacly own star trek, so im guessing that atari and cbs are on there backs all the time to squeeze every last penny out of this game before it rock bottoms (basicly they are killing there own game) and i dont see that to be cryptics fault.

not to say that they are blameless, becasue they aint :p

but this is all pointless becasue as long as people are buying the stuff, they will keep making more and more, untill there is no one left to sell it to.

such a shame that an IP like this has to be all about the money, i love this game and how far its come since beta/launch but some things are getting way out of hand and i seriously see this either going F2P, or just closing down all together

and i really dont want that to happen...:rolleyes:

Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:40 AM

I think you will find the c-store is here to stay.
The seasons are like the wow patches 3.1 3.2 3.3 etc
And in reference to wow i believe they also sell useless mounts for cash in the game.
Yes i will be buying the excelsior when it goes in i am happy to support this game.
Do i need the excelsior? no will it change the game if i cant afford it this month ? no.
Nothing in the c-store is gamebreaking in my opinion.
Cloak on the galaxy-x ? well in 2-3 weeks you can get cloak on the defiant for free at va1. you have to be ra5 for the gal-x anyway
Extra skins for the ships nice. do i need them no.
Tribbles with buffs again nice but in game ones give buffs just as good if not better.
I could go on but i won't
If everything in the c-store went in game great BUT a lot of fluff content would stop there are seperate people working on the c-store team we stop buying, they stop making and get made redundent = less stuff added to game even if we do have to buy it.
In a ideal world everything would go in for a monthly sub but its just not possible. This way if people really want something and it can be made in a hurry :-) we just have to pay for the development of these items afterall all we are buying is fluff :D
And like i said stuff in the c-store is a seperate buisness from the game i think of it as a in game wal-mart
I hope you continue to play and enjoy this game but nebula is deffinetly c-store
So start bashing the keyboard now but softly and for longer so you dont break in next week :D

Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:41 AM

Data storage cost nothing or close to it really so that is no esxcuuse (character+ stuff is a few mb at best)

As for EVE since when is it 4 than for I to have been playing on and off for 3+ years and I never seen an option for more than 3 character per account.

WoW TRH (that retareded horse) does give an advantage by making you save a lot of money on mounts small but noticable

tribbles can be bred ingame and I never seen the targ give me a buff??



O and yes blame Atari for they are one F***ed company.

Archived Post 07-18-2010 04:43 AM

i bet if we could all go back in time and see the game without the c-store and its revenue that it brings, and the reduced content created because of that reduced revenue we'd probably all beg for the c-store to come back.

what if blizzard added a b- store store to wow and started charging for items that would continue to fund new items and new content at a much faster rate than they do know, would that then be seen as a bad thing or a good thing.
probably a good thing because everyone has seen 6 years of the current rate of content release. if the new store increased content released both b -store and free content by 30% then that would be great. because people have never seen the rate at which cryptic can release content without the c-store then there tend to be complaints that its all for greed. maybe it is, but its something i personally dont believe.

everyone is entitled to pay as much or as little as they want. i often hear people say cryptic are squeezing us for every penny we have.
no, we the players are choosing to spend our money. if you dont think something is worth the price is any walk of life you dont buy it. if you see something and want but think its overpriced, you dont pay for it.
that rule seams to go out the window in mmo's and everyone complains like they are being forced to hand over their money.

yes it would be great if all these things were included in the game for only the price of the sub, but i guarantee that there would be less content overall if they did. this game is pumping out a huge amount of updates and i want to see it stay at that rate.
again they probably should not have released the game for another year or two but i personally am happy to play the game now and see it grow. every single person that says the game was released too early is correct, but that does not stop them from leaving and playing the game in a years time.

back to the c-store, i do believe there should be ways to earn most of these items in game, probably tied to veteran rewards. that way continued loyalty and play is rewarded.
perhaps at every 100 days we all get to pick one item from the store to have free of charge, or get maybe 400 points every year or something.
i would also prefer that they only do no canon items but its star trek, just about everything we want is canon.

But the c-store is the one thing i dont mind paying for as it supports the game i love and want to see grow. this is becoming like a hobby playing this game and im happy to help fund its continued development.


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