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Archived Post 10-05-2010 04:31 AM

Hell is other players: Or why desegregated MMOs are a bad idea
 
This is a personal complaint as I'm probably in a very small minority on this.

As far as I see it there are 4 reasons to play any MMO. And therefore 4 kinds of gamers.
1: The "Clubs" who want to beat the game and everything about it, including the other players.
2: The "Diamonds" who want to collect everything within the game, these people collect points, and loot and currency.
3: The "Spades" who like to dig around, find easter eggs, references, and create new content.
4: The "Hearts" who like to socialise, roleplay, and generally meet people.

This is not a new concept. This is something Cryptic knows. The problem is, these groups tend not to get along very well. Personally, I'm a Heart with Spadish tendencies. I'd rather roleplay using the game as a backdrop, really as something to do between sessions of dungeons and dragons. I love creating new content and finding easter eggs and references as well.

The reason i bring this up, I just got out of a conversation with someone in ESD, they immediately go on to berate me about not making VA in a week, then ignore me and say "I don't belong in the game" when I have the *AUDACITY* to mention I think roleplaying is more important then XP.

It's bad enough immersion is out the window with these guys running around as a million captain generics, or super-huge men, or scantily clad women, or have names that are either copyright infringing or belong in a chat-room and not in star trek. But being yelled at for it is too much. There needs to be a separate roleplaying server with naming conventions and standards of behavior enforced by the community. Otherwise, us roleplayers will be persecuted by that very same community for just doing what we love, enjoying the setting we're in and trying to lose ourselves in it.

Archived Post 10-05-2010 05:11 AM

Might be an idea for cryptic to permit us players to create our own type of chat system lets take RP for instance, you could make up a dedicated chat system for the spercific use of roll playing.

Just a thought.

Archived Post 10-05-2010 05:15 AM

Nice idea
 
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Originally Posted by Terminal-Access (Post 3075392)
Might be an idea for cryptic to permit us players to create our own type of chat system lets take RP for instance, you could make up a dedicated chat system for the spercific use of roll playing.

Just a thought.

I agree with everthing that has been said, and too would like to encounter more people that feel comfortable with a little more humour, mimicry and roleplay. Not only does it add depth, and soul, but there have been times I have laughed deep down know I felt totally connected with myself in the moment - that's what I am after.

Archived Post 10-05-2010 05:36 AM

Exactly, just because I don't want to reach the endgame in a week, doesn't mean I deserve to be harrased. I mean really, I'm enjoying the world I'm given the way I want to.

Archived Post 10-05-2010 06:34 AM

ye thats a good analogy, i see my self as a mix of all 4 but don't like to pvp unless needed, more on the knowin as much as i can of the game and collection of rare items, etc. on the social side I help those who need and such lol.

Finding people that will like you for who you are and get along can be a hassle in MMO's and online games in general but esp with alot of imature kids and "adults" that are around that don't respect the rights of other players around them, but once you get together and get into a good group of people its very satisfying doing missions and playing the games together.

Archived Post 10-05-2010 07:28 AM

You make some excellent points.

I would bring forth the motion, however, that there is no need for a dedicated RP server.
This is one case when STO's instancing may work for us rather than against us.

Simply provide players with the option, in their privacy/chat/friend settings to check "Enter RP Instance/Chat"
When this box is enabled the following happens;
*You enter the same old sector space as everyone, but enter an RP channel connected to your sector block rather than a global one
*In systems or on Starbases/social areas you enter an instance specifically flagged for RP (if one exists) or if not one is started and you enter it.

Within the RP channel;
*no OOC is allowed.
*Players can be reported and punished for OOC in the RP channel.
Within RP Instances;
*Uniforms are limited to a cannon selection and cannon colors.
*If your uniform does not fit the bill, it is temporarily switched. If its just a color issue your class provides the color. If it is a uniform issue, you are temporarily switched to a default time period uniform.
*Anyone with a copyright infringement name or chat-room name is prevented from even entering the instance.
*Players can legally be reported for breaking the RP atmosphere through chat-speak etc.

Archived Post 10-05-2010 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan_Kent (Post 3075584)
You make some excellent points.

I would bring forth the motion, however, that there is no need for a dedicated RP server.
This is one case when STO's instancing may work for us rather than against us.

Simply provide players with the option, in their privacy/chat/friend settings to check "Enter RP Instance/Chat"
When this box is enabled the following happens;
*You enter the same old sector space as everyone, but enter an RP channel connected to your sector block rather than a global one
*In systems or on Starbases/social areas you enter an instance specifically flagged for RP (if one exists) or if not one is started and you enter it.

Within the RP channel;
*no OOC is allowed.
*Players can be reported and punished for OOC in the RP channel.
Within RP Instances;
*Uniforms are limited to a cannon selection and cannon colors.
*If your uniform does not fit the bill, it is temporarily switched. If its just a color issue your class provides the color. If it is a uniform issue, you are temporarily switched to a default time period uniform.
*Anyone with a copyright infringement name or chat-room name is prevented from even entering the instance.
*Players can legally be reported for breaking the RP atmosphere through chat-speak etc.

Almost exactly what i was refering to, a chat system over a whole server would be better, even better as you have suggested instaces for RP

Archived Post 10-05-2010 07:54 AM

It is already possible to create new global chat channels for others to join. I believe there are already some RP channels that have been created, but don't know what they are. Searching around or asking in Zone Chat might get the channel. You can then join the channels you want and turn off Zone Chat to avoid the chatter of those that aren't role playing.

You can also set the game to not show player names or only show names of friends, teammates and those in your fleet. By doing this you avoid all the names that aren't created for role playing.

Archived Post 10-05-2010 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan_Kent (Post 3075584)
You make some excellent points.

I would bring forth the motion, however, that there is no need for a dedicated RP server.
This is one case when STO's instancing may work for us rather than against us.

Simply provide players with the option, in their privacy/chat/friend settings to check "Enter RP Instance/Chat"
When this box is enabled the following happens;
*You enter the same old sector space as everyone, but enter an RP channel connected to your sector block rather than a global one
*In systems or on Starbases/social areas you enter an instance specifically flagged for RP (if one exists) or if not one is started and you enter it.

Within the RP channel;
*no OOC is allowed.
*Players can be reported and punished for OOC in the RP channel.
Within RP Instances;
*Uniforms are limited to a cannon selection and cannon colors.
*If your uniform does not fit the bill, it is temporarily switched. If its just a color issue your class provides the color. If it is a uniform issue, you are temporarily switched to a default time period uniform.
*Anyone with a copyright infringement name or chat-room name is prevented from even entering the instance.
*Players can legally be reported for breaking the RP atmosphere through chat-speak etc.

yes thats the perfect solution since:
1. it eliminates the need for extra servers and seperation of the playerbase
2. it enables choice and can be set as a toggle for RPvP'ers, RP'ers, etc.

Only issue is balancing the Strict RP and Casual per instance for those that dable and those that don't, I don't RP myself gamplaywise but RP in the sense of basic Bio's and just on air on the occasion for another DJ lol, but i can see all you viewpoints and might get a disscussion goin on air for this.

Archived Post 10-05-2010 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollarm (Post 3075634)
It is already possible to create new global chat channels for others to join. I believe there are already some RP channels that have been created, but don't know what they are. Searching around or asking in Zone Chat might get the channel. You can then join the channels you want and turn off Zone Chat to avoid the chatter of those that aren't role playing.

You can also set the game to not show player names or only show names of friends, teammates and those in your fleet. By doing this you avoid all the names that aren't created for role playing.

Needed to be said again.I made my own chat channel with all the ducks I could find ingame.

Lots of quacking in there.


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