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Archived Post 03-28-2011 07:53 AM

Using protagonist names (Kirk&CO) in the Foundry missions?
 
Hi there,
I am unshure, if Cryptic allow us to to use some of the famous Star Trek crew's names.

Something like the "Crusher Particles", "Picard Maneuver", etc.

I'd like to use Wesley Crusher's name by buildig a holosuite novel. You actually play Wes Crusher, but don't worry, wou'd still be your own toon. Only all the NSC int the holo novel would call you Wesley Crusher.

Before I'll even start with the missiondesign in the Foundry, I'd like to know if we have the rights to use those names and all their bounds.

Archived Post 03-28-2011 08:18 AM

I am not sure where I saw that, but I think a Dev said you can refer to a canon character's name or what not, but you cannot recreate their likeness in your mission either as a NPC or playable character. You can have said "Data's standing order are such" or "Data is there at this present time", but you cannot have Data standing there next to you...

Archived Post 03-28-2011 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by red_shirt_ (Post 3459142)
I am not sure where I saw that, but I think a Dev said you can refer to a canon character's name or what not, but you cannot recreate their likeness in your mission either as a NPC or playable character. You can have said "Data's standing order are such" or "Data is there at this present time", but you cannot have Data standing there next to you...

I tried to call one of my captain's Ilia, but the game was having none of it (that's in the game, not in the foundry). Not sure if it's the same in the foundry but it probably is, that's just a guess though.

Archived Post 03-28-2011 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Macumba
Hi there,
I am unshure, if Cryptic allow us to to use some of the famous Star Trek crew's names.

Something like the "Crusher Particles", "Picard Maneuver", etc.

I'd like to use Wesley Crusher's name by buildig a holosuite novel. You actually play Wes Crusher, but don't worry, wou'd still be your own toon. Only all the NSC int the holo novel would call you Wesley Crusher.

Before I'll even start with the missiondesign in the Foundry, I'd like to know if we have the rights to use those names and all their bounds.

I look forward to your holo-novel, but if you force me to play Wesley Crusher, I may just wind up throwing myself out of the nearest airlock. :p

Archived Post 03-28-2011 08:33 AM

Just to play it safe, give this a read. http://www.startrekonline.com/code_of_conduct

Archived Post 03-28-2011 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by curzon176 (Post 3459179)
I look forward to your holo-novel, but if you force me to play Wesley Crusher, I may just wind up throwing myself out of the nearest airlock. :p

I'm not quite shure, where to go with this novel. Maybe a little irony with the wshed "Shut up Wesley!" quote in it and show that this brat could still be an interesting character after all.

Or, "You are our last hope, Wesley Cruhser!" ..."We're so screwed!":D

Or maybe I'd like to make other users to throw themselfes through the next airlock, wjho knows?:p

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Originally Posted by QuanManChu
Just to play it safe, give this a read. http://www.startrekonline.com/code_of_conduct

Sadly this doesen't help me much:There is no code of conduct about the foundry in there and by takeing it literally:
Quote:

(viii) Taken from Star Trek products, including character names from the Star Trek series of novels, movies, television series or other Star Trek products and media
This passage speaks clear, any ST names are not allowed into the game (for players) Still seeing dozens of them flying sice the release around and nobody seem to cares.

I need a clarification for the Foundry.

Archived Post 03-28-2011 08:55 AM

It's better and more original _not_ to use previously established characters in your foundry missions. Adding a Kirk, Spock, or other canon characters just shows that you have litttle imagination.

Study TV Tropes and avoid using the worst flawed ideas in your Foundry missions:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fanfic

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Shipping

and lastly 'The Wesley' a warning for all writers everywhere: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWesley

Archived Post 03-28-2011 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red_shirt_ (Post 3459142)
I am not sure where I saw that, but I think a Dev said you can refer to a canon character's name or what not, but you cannot recreate their likeness in your mission either as a NPC or playable character. You can have said "Data's standing order are such" or "Data is there at this present time", but you cannot have Data standing there next to you...

Don't worry, if it is allowed to use the names I'll wrap the story so, that the holonovel author was a real bad information collector, and not even human. So for him every human look the same. This is nothing new by the way in the Star Trek Universe. I belive in DS9 once this happened into a holonovel. Using that noobiness I could walk around the likeness rights and don't even need to touch them.

Archived Post 03-28-2011 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by robingbrown (Post 3459249)
It's better and more original _not_ to use previously established characters in your foundry missions. Adding a Kirk, Spock, or other canon characters just shows that you have litttle imagination.

Study TV Tropes and avoid using the worst flawed ideas in your Foundry missions:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fanfic

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Shipping

Sry, but you totally missed my point!
It is not a miss of imagination but a alteration in the view point of so many Star trek fans. There are so many of them who unreasonably hates Wesley, by the way. And not to mention, by making the whole story a holonovel it is thatfore a story of a story.

I would be the holonovel writer and the user, who play the story would act as he/she would be Wesley. I even plan adding some major cannon mistakes, which you have to correct as the player of this act. Yada, yada, yada, I won't tell anything more otherwise I'll have to spoil to much.

By the way,
I pressume the FanFic rights don't work here on the Foundry, for the whole gamecontend belongs to Cryptic. So, anything we played, achieved or edited into STO does belong to Cryptic.
If I am right it is relevant to know the code of coduit of the Foundry and to understand it right.

Archived Post 03-28-2011 01:39 PM

The Foundry EULA specifies you can refer to characters. You cannot depict actors.

So if you use a character, it cannot resemble an actor.

We've been talking about what this means for awhile. Stormshade said you could use THE Q if he doesn't remotely resemble John deLancie in the slightest. (Examples given being Q as a Targ or Q as an Orion woman.)

You should be pretty safe with Chef from Enterprise or some of the minor Voyager characters who were never seen.

Basically, write it as if you were writing for the TV show and the actor is not available.


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