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Archived Post 07-23-2011 05:10 AM

Breen set
 
Has anyone given the Breen set a spin in any PvP environments?

My initial impressions of it were not very favourable, while it had some nice sounding perks, I never thought it worth using, or replaying the missions to get in the first place.

Since I'm levelling a new toon now though, I thought heck, I have to do the missions anyway, so I might as well get the gear.

The deflector, on the surface of it, sounds quite intriguing. It incorporates

+75 Flight speed resistance
+75 Flight friction resistance
+75 Turn rate resistance

Which, If I understand rightly, improves your protection from snares like GW or TB. I have however, as yet to experience a specced beam hit me, so cannot comment. As far as the PvE content goes however, I am finding that with the deflector equipped, I can in fact still move. Not at normal speed by any chance, but it is more like moving through molasses which is better than not moving at all. It also seems to help my escape from TBs using evasive.

The other stats are much of a muchness as far as the rest of the equipment goes, although the set powers also, seem intriguing.
+30% power transfer at MK XI which is like a free small EPS console.
-9 power drain to target, +9 power to you... well I wish it was higher, say 15, then it might be a worthwhile kit!
+30 transphasic projectiles. (free torp skill points woo!)

The usage of the set also allows you to use the rapid fire transphasic torps, which fire every 8s. Now normally I wouldn't even consider transphasics, but with the new found love for tac team and the almost permanent sliver of shields most people seem to always have, ruining my quantum strikes, perhaps the tradeoff is worthwhile, perhaps on a DEM oriented build.

Now I'm not going to advocate this over other sets, frankly it needs to do a lot more for me to swap out my Aegis sets, or be a consideration over the Borg set, but I do feel perhaps I judged it too harshly at first.
I think if the set powers were improved a little, maybe a survival passive also put in, we might actually have another set worth using!

Archived Post 07-23-2011 05:52 AM

I do not believe that you require the full set, or even any of the Breen items in order to use the Rapid Fire Transphasic Torpedoes.

The Engines are terrible if your an escort or plan to use an engine total power setting above 50..

The +30% power transfer rate is VERY nice in the hands of an Engi. And useful when not in the hands of an Engi.

The +30 to Transphasic Torps is useful. But Transphasics still don't do the kind of damage that Quantums or even Photon Torpedoes can deal. Not to mention they are cheaper in skill points.

Though your suggestion of perhaps for a DEM based build is interesting..

Archived Post 07-23-2011 06:02 AM

The thing about using the set is that you can use rapid fire every 8s. Without the set equipped the same torp fires only once every 15 s, so it makes a massive difference. Unless my set was bugged....

I don't think it will be better than Aegis on an escort, the defence boost is just too useful, and doesn't provide the tankiness a cruiser might like from the borg set, but perhaps, just perhaps, on a sci vessel....

Edit: Saying that however, being an escort that is close to immune to turn or speed resistance could be very useful. Again, I don't know how effective it is against speced beams though. If it didn't and they added say 50% immunity to holds/snares, then it could be an extremely useful thing.

Again, an added defensive skill or passive to the set would make it MUCH more appealing.

Archived Post 07-23-2011 07:25 AM

if/when trasphasics get a buff this set may be more usefull, or if everyone starts using polaron (isnt that part of the passives too, a def buff there)

i like resiliant shields but im moving towards regen for cruisers and sci ships, and actually specifically picking out a def dish that gets the most out of my sci abilities..in this case, def and def dish (Tachyon Def i think)

i also think you are correct about the engines, you can pivot when disabled ect...

i experimented witth a power level monger build. joined trill engineer in assault cruiser, those mkIV efficient engines (still viable at high levels, and i stick by that) add in that weak energy syphon, and put another one on in yer lt sci slot. i know its valuable, as thats the ideas real downfall.

rotating those energy syphons gets you a nice 40/60 sec small power buff, and if you are good with your epts and eptw it'll free up some room for engines and aux power levels. and yep, 2 copies of DEM and good ole phaser arrays.

good luck with your testing, see you on the battlefield

Archived Post 07-23-2011 07:32 AM

The Rapid Fire Transphasic Torpedoes are not considered part of the set. And at least as of 2-3 months ago I never saw any advantage to using them. I think they were broken.

And the Aegis set is better. Only thing is you can get the Breen set at any time from Lieutenant Commander onward while with the Aegis set you have to be an Admiral.

Archived Post 07-23-2011 08:35 AM

Once you have access to Aegis/Borg, I see no reason to even consider the Breen set.

Archived Post 07-23-2011 08:44 AM

I've run a mix of Borg/Breen in PvP (Breen Engines&Deflecter). It's ok, it does help to be able to move when being tackled. Also, it has a slightly higher base full impulse speed than the Aegis. There's a bonus of ~7 or so to Engine power settings. So, if you play a hit and run style it's not bad. Though if you're TAC (Attack Pattern) heavy the Aegis engines is likely still better. Keep in mind I'm a casual/PuG player and not a min/maxer.

Archived Post 07-23-2011 08:57 AM

Yeah, Transphasics are still pants. Even at 8seconds.

They still only do what a quantum does on bleedthrough.

Maybe if T Torps fired every 5 seconds this kit would be worth considering.

Also, the shields suck, the engines as far as I can tell in testing literally have no effect on Tractors.

It comes with a watered down Esiphon (lol esiphon). Yeah it's horrible.

Just get a Borg Set, or Aegis instead.

Archived Post 07-23-2011 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mvs5191 (Post 3659481)
Once you have access to Aegis/Borg, I see no reason to even consider the Breen set.

So my other question (i kinda asked) remains, without removing the current powers, but allowing addition of another and modifications to the current, what could make this a viable set?


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Originally Posted by DangerouslyGeeky (Post 3659408)
The Rapid Fire Transphasic Torpedoes are not considered part of the set. And at least as of 2-3 months ago I never saw any advantage to using them. I think they were broken.

And the Aegis set is better. Only thing is you can get the Breen set at any time from Lieutenant Commander onward while with the Aegis set you have to be an Admiral.

I understand it isn't part of the set per-say, but before I had the full set my "rapid" fire transphasics fired every 15s, after I got it, every 8s. So having the set makes a difference to the weapon, that was my basic point.


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Originally Posted by Mavairo
Yeah, Transphasics are still pants. Even at 8seconds.

They still only do what a quantum does on bleedthrough.

Maybe if T Torps fired every 5 seconds this kit would be worth considering.

Also, the shields suck, the engines as far as I can tell in testing literally have no effect on Tractors.

It comes with a watered down Esiphon (lol esiphon). Yeah it's horrible.

Just get a Borg Set, or Aegis instead.

Do you mean to say that even with the extra bleedthrough, the extra damage of quantums still gives equal bleedthrough in the end?
I remember the shields were better than the ones I already had, though they might have been standard [capx2] shields.
Yea the siphon is watered down, but free. I said above, if it gave more drain it would be nice. So again I ask, what would make this set better?
It's the deflector that is supposed to affect on movement resists, although again, I have only seen it against NPCs, nobody in PvP has tried to tractor me yet at LtC.

Archived Post 07-23-2011 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Artificialx
So my other question (i kinda asked) remains, without removing the current powers, but allowing addition of another and modifications to the current, what could make this a viable set?

The resistances from the Deflector appear to do little to nothing, whether that's a matter of it being broken or the values being too low. So those need fixed/buffed, as well as bumping up it's base Deflector stats.

Maybe give some other modifier to the shield other than [Pol]? I know it fits thematically, but hardly anyone uses Polaron so another modifier would be spiffy. The Borg shield is fine with it's [Pla] modifier since it already has awesome stats.


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