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Archived Post 08-25-2011 10:00 AM

More PvP Ranting
Yesterday was a bad PvP day. I usually PUG since my fleet isn't too PvP heavy and if my PUG goes uip against another PUG its usually fairly even, sometimes not, and I almost always have some fun. But when my PUG goes up against a pre-made fleet team the fun stops abruptly. I know some will say that I need to join a PvP fleet and stop my whining but that really doesnt alleviate the problem at hand.

That problem is the sad state of what Cryptic calls PvP. It's been said a million times but it bears repeating, after all if we talk about it enough hopefully Cryptic will start to throw a few more resources at PvP. My main problem with PvP, other than the lack of game types and map variety, is the que system. Fact is not every PvP'er is a hardcore PvP'er. Some of us are casual PvP'rs. We like to log on and jump into a few matches get killed a few times kill a few people and just relax a bit. Others love the notion of setting up a team thinking about tactics and team synergy and thats great. But when I log on to run a few casual matches I dont want to have to go up against that team that spent days perfecting their team build are on TS coordinating things and keep track of every stat in order to debrief and improve after the match. It's not fun for me and I can't imagine that it's all that much fun for the other team.

If you wanna do PvP right in an instanced based MMO look to Guild Wars. Their PvP system was outstanding. Their PvP system was parced out so that no matter what your prefferred PvP flavor there was a match for you. Want to go hardcore PvP and test your skills well then GvG and Team Arenas were for you. How about casual players well random arenas and Faction battles were for you. The main point was that the two were segregated and neither ruined the experience for the other. Another thing Guil Wars had was PvP variety. From standard arena fight to cap and hold to assault and defend and territory control there was always something to do if you got tired of one type of PvP.

Before I get a ton of flamers yelling for me to go the hell back to Guild wars if I love their PvP so much all I have to say to that is no. I do love GW and I still play it from time to time but I also love STO, and sometimes I just want to blow up other ships and fly around space as opposed to casting spells and running around a forest. So I implore Cryptic to take a look at Guild Wars PvP and see about implementing a little of that into STO.

Archived Post 08-25-2011 10:39 AM

It has been voiced here before, and I agree provided we have the population to support it, that the queues could do with a ranking system.

Archived Post 08-25-2011 10:40 AM

It seems to me that Cryptic has to create some infrastructure for this, and then hope that it will attract enough PvPers so that it works. Spliting the PVP Queues can be problematic otherwise.

But as a minimum, a leaderboard system that tracks wins and losses could help gauge a players experience and skill level, and could be used to build PvP teams that are "reasonable".

Archived Post 08-25-2011 11:51 AM

I'm of the mind that the first thing they need to do and fast is a split between team matches and random matches. The biggest problem with PvP other than lack of map content is the issue of pre-made teams going up against pugs. Lack of maps is annoying, lack of game types is annoying but being forced to go up against pre-made teams with a pug is a game ruining problem. Hell there are some days I have to give up on PvP all together because a pair of pre-made teams are in the que ruining the experience for anyone who pug's. That issue needs to be solved and fast.

Archived Post 08-25-2011 12:54 PM

The only problem is that the PvP population is already small. It's sort of a chicken-and-egg problem.

Archived Post 08-25-2011 01:00 PM

Like the others have said the PvP community is very small. 6 months ago not so much, it was small but healthily small but with broken mechanics patch after patch and goofed up things added that affected balance and overall fun the community has been bled dry. What we have is what we have and in a few months could be much less. Really if you want to get your PvP swirve on a PvP type fleet will help you because many share your same sentiment.

Archived Post 08-25-2011 02:41 PM

sounds like you might need to form a pvp faction in your guild then. you sound like you may be great to head that up. you just need like 5-8 guys on everyonce in a while to have the fun and get the team strategy itch scratched.

encourage pvp. its the best way to join in the comradery of this games best players, and push what you think you can do in your build, and with your teams gameplan. more people means more competition, and the "top" players are less likely to be staring at you when you que up.

we are always here for private matches. give a shout if you ever need practice.

and yeah, some sorta ranking system might be cool, i just wouldnt even know how to implement it.

Archived Post 08-25-2011 09:30 PM

So again... someone thinks that people who play together for fun as well (hop on tsi vent sometime too see all the "cordination" we do while just flying around as a group) should be punished because they're good at something they do?

-sad panda-

Archived Post 08-26-2011 12:10 AM

Perhaps if you have 4 or more players in your group it puts that team in a team que and lets the single players just pug it out.

It may be easyer to add this as im sure some sort of stat tracker may be hard to input to the game, but i am no expert on that ,, but yes the ques need sorting out ,, great when im in the same team like tsi. Not so great when not ,, may aswell jusll fly in there to get blown up ,,, well thats pretty much what i do anyway lol ,,,

Archived Post 08-26-2011 01:22 AM


Originally Posted by matteo716 (Post 3719660)
So again... someone thinks that people who play together for fun as well (hop on tsi vent sometime too see all the "cordination" we do while just flying around as a group) should be punished because they're good at something they do?

-sad panda-

He want pvp que where game put ppl in team randomly so ppl who dont have pvpmates can have fun. So he dont meet premade team who are built on each other, no 3x extended shield, and 10 another heals etc. No 2 healer+3psw and/or 3 cpb 3 ships etc.
And for premade teams there would be another que.

If he wants that, the problem is IMO that there are too few ppl for it. If 100 more ppl would pvp. then maybe it would be fun.

Cryptic tried to make some sort of "open pvp" some times ago, and they failed, and removed it. They was still unable to put a better into tribble. Such a big fail and ppl want change in pvp?

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