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Archived Post 08-27-2011 02:47 AM

Meditations: Fire At Will
Hmmm, let's see... Which iteration are we up to for Fire at Will, is it #4? Have we officially decided on a name, even? New New FAW™, perhaps?

In any case, while we are examining and discussing powers that may need tweaking/balancing, what are the Community's thoughts on Fire at Will, in its current iteration?

Comparing New FAW™ to New-New (Nanu-Nanu? :p ) FAW™, the only things that really changed were a slight reduction from 75% effective up-time, to 50% effective up-time (assuming cycled copies); and an elimination of the broken mechanic that was allowing a single target to be affected by both pulses of a FAW-enhanced attack.

So, the question to the Community: Were these changes enough? If not, why not? What needs to change to make it more viable/balanced? As elsewhere, the purpose of this discussion should not be whether it should or should not be allowed in competitve PvP, but, rather, what (if anything) needs to be done to better balance and improve this power, while still keeping both the spirit of the power and its viability for PvE.

Personally, I think the reduction in up-time greatly reduced the effectiveness of FAW as an AoE (particularly, as a spam-clearing tool) while failing to address the greatest problem, which is the overwhelming amount of firepower increase that is offered by the power, for the duration of the power's up-time. Until there is some alleviation in the power increase (the problem being the second, full-strength beam per pulse, even with random targeting, still is an enormous increase in damage potential), this still is too easily abused in PvP.

Archived Post 08-27-2011 03:28 AM

We want it to be an AoE but just to clear spam and do some minor damage. I still favor a tiered power level 2nd beam. Like 20/30/40 percent based on tier. This is still enough to clear spam and substantial decrease the huge dps it gives off.

Archived Post 08-27-2011 04:03 AM

While I like the power as is, I'm not averse to trimming it a little. I seriously don't want it to end up being a purely anti-spam ability, though. Imo it should be a genuine alternative to the other tac powers, that does reasonably decent damage against either one target or multiple targets.

I'd rather it not be nerfed to hell.

Archived Post 08-27-2011 05:38 AM

I recently replaced a Tac Team 1 with FAW 1 on my character "The Green Monster" and I saw a huge increase in my damage per match. In a good match before I switched out Tac Team 1 for FAW 1, I would get around 100k dmg and about 800k-1mill in healing. Now with FAW 1 on my build, I still the same healing numbers but my damage has increased from about 150k to around 250-300k and I find it much easier to kill people while in matches. I mean all I have to do now is chain my EPS Power Transfer with EPtW, Nadion Inversion, and Tac Team and watch escorts melt.

In conclusion, I would agree that it could still use some tweaking in the damage output department. I mean FAW 1, imho, shouldn't give the big damage boost that I have been seeing in my numbers.

Archived Post 08-27-2011 06:07 AM

The new FAW is fine, damage boost maybe but spread damage to not focussed targets of FAW = wasted damage.

Damage from FAW to Minions that can tank a bit more like Bops and Fekli = good thing.

So the Question is did anyone tested FAW 3 without spam still as superior? And when yes, numbers/video pls :)

Archived Post 08-27-2011 07:37 AM

You pretty much hit the nail on the head for me Bigred, as always :)

Archived Post 08-27-2011 10:05 AM

FaW now is not a big issue and to make the situation better would be flight angle changes because the people that use FaW effectively use the rain the pain strategy which is sit 8-10 above the fight and pretty much stay their mindlessly cirlcing with beams knowing that the true damage dealers can't touch them effectively.

Archived Post 08-27-2011 11:17 AM

It is better but the damage is still to high. The next thing we will see are cruiser teams with Faw and the new Torpedo spread... :rolleyes:

Archived Post 08-27-2011 01:31 PM

just make it a single target beam rapid fire. it seems unfixable no mater what they do to the current version.

Archived Post 08-27-2011 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot (Post 3722170)
just make it a single target beam rapid fire. it seems unfixable no mater what they do to the current version.

A slight variation on this was something suggested when JHeinig was tweaking the power, in making the effect a 'Beam: Rapid Fire' kind of effect, if a target was selected, but, if you un-selected all targets (or targeted a friendly, say, for Healing), it would fire with the random targeting that has always been used by some aspect of FAW, this would allow the power to serve as either a boost to damage on a focus target, or allow spam-clearing, as it always has.

The argument against a change such as this: "We think that it would be too counter-intuitive for the majority of players..." Okay, so, the argument is that you don't think the players are 'smart' enough to figure out, both how it works and how to benefit from it? :(

With all versions of FAW, I have frequently de-selected targets, to facilitate spam-clearing, maybe I just don't feel that it's all that 'counter-intuitive'...


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