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Archived Post 10-14-2011 10:04 AM

NOT happy with the way the VA ships had their additional console arranged
 
all the ships that until now had an innate unique ability, mostly VA ships, now have that ability transferred to a universal console that only they can equip. as a result, they received a console slot that they formally traded for their unique ability. this fact i have no problem with, but the extra console some of these ships ended up getting basically amount to a buffs. their dump console type didn't get an additional unneeded console, except for the galaxy retrofit.


tier 3 nebula- it s a +1 ship now too, and its ability can be transferred to any science ship via console. the tier 5 version console is unique to that ship though.


tier 5 nebula- additional science console, 4 total now. now it has a proper science ship number of science consoles, along with its dynamic universal station. a good buff.


vulcan- additional engineering console, 3 total now. guess activating its pet is now a console slot too? this very sturdy science ship having a 3rd engineering console is nothing but beneficial, a buff.


defiant R- additional engineering console, 3 total now. quite beneficial, it could make it a harder target, yields 7 more energy to a sub system, transfers energy faster, etc... science is definitely its dump console, they will be surely be filled with ability and borg consoles. over all, quite a buff.


intrepid R- additional engineering console, 3 total now. with all the science powers these have, they barrly need the number of weapons they have, let alone tactical consoles. tactical is definitely its dump console. the rock hard intrepid is now even harder, quite a buff.


galaxy X- sounds like its not all worked out yet, though i noticed its price is now 1600?! no indication that its abilities are even going to be consoles. but...


guramba- low and behold, it is now listed that it has an additional engineering console, 3 total now. will its transformation and lance be a console then too? now its a true fleet escort clone, with the option of siege mode. no escort would turn down an engineering console, another buff.


varanus- additional engineering console, 3 total now. just in case those repair drones aren't quite as buffed as heretic claims they will be, at least it has as many consoles as the DSSV. that console can be stuck in 1 of its tactical consoles, dosent need those really. a step in the right direction, and yet another additional console that is not in this ships dump console type, thus a buff.


patrol cruiser- no additional console for it, but its about to get a hanger bay. much more useful then another science console, witch is a dump console for any cruiser anyway.


Kar'fi- no change in consoles, it had plenty already. but it gets a second hanger, more pet choices, and a phasing out ability console. if only it had a costume option that wasn't so hideous, I'd love to see a more Klingon looking ship with those lovely stats it has. major buff here.


tier 3 and tier 5 excelsior- get a load of this! according to the tribble c store description each of these ships now have a special console. the tier 3 is a +1 ship, and comes with a basic transwarp console that also boosts subsystem efficiency. the tier 5 excelsior has the advanced version, with the remaining sector block transwarp locations, and a boost to all the subsystem performance! cruisers are going to be overflowing with power now.


now i don't really have a problem with any or the above buffs, they might be slightly better now then their more free counterparts, but that's par for the course. so why am i NOT pleased? well, wile all these above ships got a buff, 1 ship didn't, it got the shaft instead.

Galaxy R- additional science console, 3 total now. what the hell is a cruiser, with only 2 science boff stations btw, supposed to do with a third science console? EVERY cruiser's dump console type! its worthless, its a place to dump universal consoles. only (star)cruisers that run high aux and have no damage potential and do nothing but support and heal would prefer a 3rd science console, and there's already 1 ship in that category, no more are needed.

the Galaxy R has been the joke since it was released, it was the worst at everything. least consoles, least turn rate, sub optimal station setup, an ability that does little more ten make it weaker, etc... every other cruiser choice can ether deal damage, tank or heal better. wile every other ship i listed above was buffed, this ship was not. it wasn't nerfed, but it was left behind, and in this case that's effectively a nerf.

the galaxy class is the largest most powerful capital ship in all of starfleet. its also one of the most iconic, and my personal favorite. is it a crime that it sucks in game. a small but needed gesture to make this ship flyable and not be a liability to the rest of a team is for it to have a 3rd tactical console instead. at least then the cruiser with the most powerful phaser arrays in canon wont be dealing the least damage of the cruisers.

the negvar has the same station setup, vastly superior turn rate, a cloak, and can use cannons already has 3 tactical consoles, so its only fair the galaxy R does as well. so what if the tier 4.5 galaxy had a 3rd science console, its a highly modular ship, that galaxy variant just happened to be setup with exploration, science, and research in mind, rather then combat like the tier 5 galaxy.

or you could do something like this, make the galaxy X abilities and costume chunks a console, and let the base ship have a 3rd tactical console. let the galaxy R continue to have the saucer separation console and the 3rd science console. BUT, let both versions of the galaxy equip ether console, so you could mix and match console and ship similarly to how you can now with the advanced escort and MVAM advanced escort. think of all the money i would have to spend to get a galaxy with a 3rd tactical console and saucer separation! and i would pay it too, please make something like this happen, or just give the galaxy R a 3rd tactical console like it should have.

Archived Post 10-14-2011 10:07 AM

Its a shame the new management feels the need to crap all over what has been done so far.
The VA ships were all created with BALANCE in mind, but its clear they want to make all the C-Store ships now blatantly overpowered.

Archived Post 10-14-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexraptor (Post 3810581)
Its a shame the new management feels the need to crap all over what has been done so far.
The VA ships were all created with BALANCE in mind, but its clear they want to make all the C-Store ships now blatantly overpowered.

the balance isn't that far off, assuming you bought all the consoles. those that don't will be left behind. cant stress enough how important a 3rd tactical console for the galaxy R is, its currently unusably bad, its a chore to even pve in one even, let alone pvp. its literally a waist of space and a liability to a team, if it could at least lay down decent dps it would be usable.

Archived Post 10-14-2011 11:46 AM

Ouch, Galaxy R is my ship of choice for one of my alts too. I doubt Cryptic intentionally tried to shaft anyone; and I'm sure that with enough support something could be done.

I'm down for any positive changes.

Archived Post 10-14-2011 11:50 AM

I was going to complain about this too, but someone beat me to it. The do need to fix the VA console so that it works on all ship for that type of character. they also need to make the icon unique for the different consoles period.

Galaxy X has a cloaking console.

Archived Post 10-14-2011 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pr1983 (Post 3810801)
Ouch, Galaxy R is my ship of choice for one of my alts too. I doubt Cryptic intentionally tried to shaft anyone; and I'm sure that with enough support something could be done.

I'm down for any positive changes.

the shafting is that they gave the galaxy R an extra useless dump console instead of a high importance console like they did for EVERY other ship i listed. it absolutely needs a 3rd tactical console to keep up with all the other ships buffs

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Originally Posted by Primus01 (Post 3810817)
I was going to complain about this too, but someone beat me to it. The do need to fix the VA console so that it works on all ship for that type of character. they also need to make the icon unique for the different consoles period.

Galaxy X has a cloaking console.

are we sure the galaxy X had any of its abilities turned into consoles? according to the c store on tribble it still has the same amount of consoles, and i don't remember reading anything about a unique console for it in its description. if any of its current abilities became consoles, they batter make up for it with an extra console slot. hopefully in this case its even more of a no brainier that it should be a tactical console.

Archived Post 10-14-2011 12:19 PM

That's what I meant. That they weren't trying to screw people over, and thought that the science console would be useful. I'm sure that, like I said, if enough people ask for it, they might be willing to change it. This IS the very early stages of this change, so if we get in now, maybe we can convince them.

And i agree it should be a tactical one.

Archived Post 10-14-2011 12:24 PM

I wanted this changes for a long time. Mostly because I much rather have the choice between a power that I donīt like or need and a console slot. And the T5 Nebula had a third engineering console all along, it only had three science consoles as a trade-off.

I have no idea what the problem is, that you seem to have here. Or is it just the universal part ? I mean it would be logical to let the special console go where the extra console went.

Archived Post 10-14-2011 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashur1
I wanted this changes for a long time. Mostly because I much rather have the choice between a power that I donīt like or need and a console slot. And the T5 Nebula had a third engineering console all along, it only had three science consoles as a trade-off.

I have no idea what the problem is, that you seem to have here. Or is it just the universal part ? I mean it would be logical to let the special console go where the extra console went.

oh thanks for the heads up on the nebula, will change the op to correctly reflect that.

at first i was just going to complain about the galaxy R, but then i ended up listing all the changes i noticed with regards to ships with innate special abilities. so now its a reference guide of sorts to the current console changes.

Archived Post 10-14-2011 02:53 PM

If the Defiant got a universal cloak console and an extra engineering slot, it is quite clearly OP now. At least before it was comparable to the Raptor, but if it can just put the cloak into the useless science console slots, then it really loses nothing and has a base turn rate noticeably higher than the Raptor.


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