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Archived Post 02-10-2012 05:19 PM

Cruisers and endgame PVE
 
There seem to be a lot of folks who don't view cruisers as a valid choice for many things: PVP, Endgame content, etc. A lot of people have angrily compared them to space whales or whatever in other threads, and I'm not sure where the disconnect is.

As an engineer, I've happily chugged along in a cruiser since I started (up to level 43 so far). I've participated in massive battles in which enemies made the mistake of targeting me just to find out I can't be exploded, and my damage output is on par with most klingon opponents I've observed. Turn rate isn't much of a problem if you know when you need to pivot to rotate shields (using abilities) and understand that gearing up a cruiser for damage is a lot different than gearing up a ship that faces forward at all times to do battle. Isn't this really simply a play-style choice?

Despite the fact that The Odyssey has fallen short on a lot of levels, I was looking forward to being able to fly this thing around endgame only to find out that it for some reason "doesn't work." I get that a ton of ships instantly explode whenever the borg look at them funny in higher difficulty modes - and its my understanding that the cruiser ability to "tank things" does not make up for this fact, but does this really invalidate cruisers in endgame content?

Archived Post 02-10-2012 05:21 PM

I just finished a cure stf, and basically soloed it in my assualt cruiser. I out dpsed all escorts easily, and im only using mark x weapons.

Archived Post 02-10-2012 05:25 PM

My Odyssey does exceptional in the STFs I've flown her in. Actually, she hasn't exploded once, and I've tank-soloed groups of spheres, getting them away from the escorts taking out the objectives. :D

Archived Post 02-10-2012 05:29 PM

i am quite able to tank a cube in an elite STF on my own but i have problems with many ships like loads of spheres. i still dont go down that much i just dont take them down as fast as i want to

Archived Post 02-10-2012 05:49 PM

The Truth: In regular STFs, cruisers suck. Are they tougher than escorts? Yes, they are - but it doesn't matter, because a properly piloted escort will (a) not blow up, (b) do at least twice the damage of a cruiser, and (c) be faster and more maneuverable.

In elite STFs, cruisers are maybe a little better, but not much. Escorts and cruisers both die to 1-shot torpedoes, and non-torpedo damage is still tankable most of the time in an escort. And even if you blow up, the respawn timer is only 15 seconds. Big whoop.

As far as STFs go, it is really all about damage. Survivability barely matters. You do the math.

Archived Post 02-10-2012 06:01 PM

Don't worry about 'folks' say, if you are playing in a properly geared level appropriate ship of your choice you are doing the right thing. Know the encounters and pay attention.

Archived Post 02-10-2012 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanonsah
I just finished a cure stf, and basically soloed it in my assualt cruiser. I out dpsed all escorts easily, and im only using mark x weapons.

I'm doing my best not to laugh out loud.
Seriously, you must have met up with people trying to fly T2 Escorts or something.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexiom
The Truth: In regular STFs, cruisers suck. Are they tougher than escorts? Yes, they are - but it doesn't matter, because a properly piloted escort will (a) not blow up, (b) do at least twice the damage of a cruiser, and (c) be faster and more maneuverable.

As for this and other endgame stuff, Cruisers seem to do fine as far as I can tell by observing.
I haven't got the gear I want to try and take my tac+Odyssey into its first major battles.
I *prefer* an Escort, simply because my play style involves moving around alot at high speed and high turn rate, doesn't necessarily mean an escort is *better* in total.

I will say, as an ENG in an Escort I have out survived most of my Tac/Sci Escort peers in many occasions without sacrificing too much damage.

In the end, its not about DPS.
Its about how many bad guys you can kill before you go boom, and how efficiently you can do it.

Archived Post 02-10-2012 06:16 PM

My main is an ENG. Lvl 50. I guess my Odyssey is satisfactory. I really do like the ship and it's potential. My biggest problem is more with my build and how I allocated my sp. I tend to blow up more than my fair share.

Archived Post 02-10-2012 06:31 PM

Cruisers are perfectly viable in PvP. You just have to make sure you're not trying to be a Kirk and zerg in, expecting to take on the entire enemy team, or DPS Hero and out damage Escorts.

But for PvE... anything a Cruiser or Sci can do, an Escort can do better.

Archived Post 02-10-2012 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mvs5191 (Post 4011256)
But for PvE... anything a Cruiser or Sci can do, an Escort can do better.

However, anything an escort can do, a cruiser or sci can do well enough to carry their weight in PvE.

Knowing what you're doing is far and away the most important thing in a normal STF, and an organized team adhering to the most effective strategy doubly so in elite. You might lag a few seconds behind in killing your generator compared to the escorts, for example, but it's not enough to cripple your team by any means. Even on elite, this stuff isn't actually hard.


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