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Archived Post 02-14-2012 07:35 AM

Multi Vector where is it?
 
Ok look. I enjoy the multi vector module on my assault fed ships but prefer to play red side.
Since the fed side has managed to get virtually everything new introduced to the Klingon side I think it's about time that a multi vector console was available for the KDF.

I'd suggest the Raptor as the ship to use it's body type seems the most suited and gameplay is on close to that of a fed escort. This isn't too much to ask it would be as the Deferi would say "Balance".

Archived Post 02-14-2012 07:53 AM

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Since the fed side has managed to get virtually everything new introduced to the Klingon side...
Feds have three ship types - Escorts, Cruisers, and Sci Vessels. Klingons have access to direct equivalents of all of them. In addition, they also have:

Carriers
Marauders
Flight Deck Cruisers

Other Klingon unique options:
Battle Cloaks

Unique options Feds have which Klingons do not:
Multi-Vector (Which is a console, so doesn't really count, since all +1 ships have unique consoles)
...

Archived Post 02-14-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vexiom
Feds have three ship types - Escorts, Cruisers, and Sci Vessels. Klingons have access to direct equivalents of all of them. In addition, they also have:

Carriers
Marauders
Flight Deck Cruisers

Other Klingon unique options:
Battle Cloaks

Unique options Feds have which Klingons do not:
Multi-Vector (Which is a console, so doesn't really count, since all +1 ships have unique consoles)
...

The FDC is a beefy Assault cruiser with 250 more shields, a slightly higher impulse modifier but minus the Ensign tac for a Ensign Science and one less tactical console slot. Its fun and good under a good build but hardly the defining advanatge ofteh Empire. Its basically a carrier (due to the maurauding force console) and a battle Cruiser hybrid.
Battle cloaks are only on the BoPs (which suffer for them in drawbacks of being squishy) and can be emultaed by the MVAM in all respects (if not better in some ) than the BoP without having a battle cloak as an option.

While we do not need a MVAM design on the KDF (imo), the feds are hardly left in the cold on thier vessel designs and they even have hybrids of thier own to use.

Archived Post 02-14-2012 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Vexiom
Feds have three ship types - Escorts, Cruisers, and Sci Vessels. Klingons have access to direct equivalents of all of them. In addition, they also have:

Carriers
Marauders
Flight Deck Cruisers

Other Klingon unique options:
Battle Cloaks (Which is a +1 power like excelsior transwarp,)

Unique options Feds have which Klingons do not:
Multi-Vector (Which is a console, so doesn't really count, since all +1 ships have unique consoles)
Mission Content greater then 8 Missions
Uniform opitions both c-store and in game. Aka ambassador Uniform
Off duty outfits
non doff maurder missions
several starbase in several sectors compare to accaess to two.
Customization skins for ship. Most KDF ships have zero choses, the few that do have no opition other then selecting a different skin.
Saucer separation
Transwarp ship to different sectors. AKA Excelsior class

...

Add the items you where missing in red.

But no KDF those not need MVA just like federation those not need Carrier.

And why are you listing flight deck cruiser twice the maurder is flight deck cruiser.

Archived Post 02-14-2012 03:48 PM

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Battle Cloaks (Which is a +1 power like excelsior transwarp,)
This is false. Battle Cloaks are available on non-C-store ships, hence not a +1 power. Furthermore, comparing combat abilities to non-combat abilities is pretty lame.

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Mission Content greater then 8 Missions
Uniform opitions both c-store and in game. Aka ambassador Uniform
Off duty outfits
non doff maurder missions
several starbase in several sectors compare to accaess to two.
Customization skins for ship. Most KDF ships have zero choses, the few that do have no opition other then selecting a different skin.
Saucer separation
Transwarp ship to different sectors. AKA Excelsior class
Wow, another barge load of non-combat junk. In fact, the only item in your entire list that is semi-valid is Saucer Separation, which is actually a +1 console ability.

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And why are you listing flight deck cruiser twice the maurder is flight deck cruiser.
Sorry for the confusion. I meant "Raider".

Archived Post 02-14-2012 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vexiom
This is false. Battle Cloaks are available on non-C-store ships, hence not a +1 power. Furthermore, comparing combat abilities to non-combat abilities is pretty lame.



Wow, another barge load of non-combat junk. In fact, the only item in your entire list that is semi-valid is Saucer Separation, which is actually a +1 console ability.



Sorry for the confusion. I meant "Raider".

You right about the battle cloak. I forget the other BoP had them as well. But please point to where you said you where comparing combat abilities?

Archived Post 02-14-2012 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RCO
You right about the battle cloak. I forget the other BoP had them as well. But please point to where you said you where comparing combat abilities?

I thought it was obvious. The OP was asking for a Klingon combat effectiveness buff, and stated that it was justified because the Federation already got all of the Klingon unique game elements. (A statement that is obviously false, of course.) I don't see how it makes any sort of sense to balance non-combat fluff versus combat effectiveness. Or do you actually think that Klingons should be more combat effective because they have fewer PvE missions and limited costumes?

Archived Post 02-15-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vexiom
I thought it was obvious. The OP was asking for a Klingon combat effectiveness buff, and stated that it was justified because the Federation already got all of the Klingon unique game elements. (A statement that is obviously false, of course.) I don't see how it makes any sort of sense to balance non-combat fluff versus combat effectiveness. Or do you actually think that Klingons should be more combat effective because they have fewer PvE missions and limited costumes?

Try reading what I type next time.

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Originally Posted by RCO
But no KDF those not need MVA just like federation those not need Carrier.

You where the one said


I was just point out that your list was missing several items.

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Originally Posted by Vexiom
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Unique options Feds have which Klingons do not:
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Please explain where the combat options are in that line?

No where in that line do you say unique combat options.

Archived Post 02-15-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Roach (Post 4021484)
The FDC is a beefy Assault cruiser with 250 more shields, a slightly higher impulse modifier but minus the Ensign tac for a Ensign Science and one less tactical console slot. Its fun and good under a good build but hardly the defining advanatge ofteh Empire. Its basically a carrier (due to the maurauding force console) and a battle Cruiser hybrid.

Wasn't the marauder based on the Star Cruiser? I'm fairly certain when it first went for testing on Tribble it still had all the Fed Transwarp abilities from the SC (which led to the KDF players killing all the NPCs on ESD, again) as it was pretty much a copy and paste. As far as I could tell, which was admittedly some time ago, it was all but identical in the base stats to the SC with only the recent hangar changes making it different.

Archived Post 02-15-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Militis (Post 4023939)
Wasn't the marauder based on the Star Cruiser? I'm fairly certain when it first went for testing on Tribble it still had all the Fed Transwarp abilities from the SC (which led to the KDF players killing all the NPCs on ESD, again) as it was pretty much a copy and paste. As far as I could tell, which was admittedly some time ago, it was all but identical in the base stats to the SC with only the recent hangar changes making it different.

My apoligies. You are correct. It is the Star Cruiser.
I still do not find the FDC to be so unique as to constitute a KDF advantage and I still do not think we KDF need a MVA vessel.
Unlike the feds I care not for thier toys and wish to enjoy what we KDF already have to enjoy.
The fed faction has plenty of options in game play and vessels that falls very well into the ideology of how they operate and I still see cries for carriers, battle cloaks and other otherwise non-fed concpets as nothing more than "toy" envy.
I know that you do not carry such childish envy, but far too many of your fed brethren certainly seem to hold different views.


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