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Archived Post 02-15-2012 04:12 PM

help bird of prey retrofit
 
hello I'm from the bird of prey guramba and retrofit (1600C), which is not better guramba is a ship of the line my experience with it is not very good in pvp kill me soi much tactical and seen the bird of prey in pvp and is very good I saver in relation to the guramba if not worth much or if another killing machine as guramba thanks and give me good advice: D sorry for the translation

Archived Post 02-17-2012 11:11 AM

now this :D

Archived Post 02-17-2012 11:16 AM

guramba is not so bad you just have to have good boff loadout.I followed the fed fleet escort guide but did single target abilities instead of aoe ones.But yea the bird of pray is awsome with battle cloak.

Archived Post 02-18-2012 08:29 AM

i find the T5 BOP hard to play compared so ANY SHIP WITH MORE HP'S. i really do

Archived Post 02-19-2012 08:20 AM

Garumba is great for STF's as well as for PVP. A Bird of Prey is going to be sub par for STF's but can be great in PVP. You can get a very good non C Store Bird of Prey.

So buy the Garumba. Get the non C Store Bird of Prey. The B'rel Retrofit is not so much worth it for the meager abilities it brings to the fight. Yes I have flown all three.

Archived Post 02-20-2012 12:15 PM

Honestly, I love the B'Rel Retro. In Deadpool's career, I have flown the Raptors and other BoPs, but I have enjoyed the B'Rel Retro the most. Even before I got the ship, I was asking advise about which I should choose for endgame PvP, and was told by everyone that the Retro was "too squishy" and "too weak". Can I tank multiple highly experienced PvPers for extended periods of time? Nope, but I can handle my own at a Kerrat restart being the only Klink in about 5-6 Feds.

I am glad that I didn't listen to the Retro-BoP naysayers, because with the right resists and the proper setup, you can make the ship an excellent damage dealer, while staying alive long enough to get the job done. If you are still uncertain, and want to see how I have my Retro set up, send tell ingame to Deadpool@dravenlee_obarr . I will be more than happy to link my build to you, tell you how I have my weapons and consoles set up and why.

Remember: Being good at STO PvP is best summed up as this - it is 33% Gear, 33% Skill, and 33% love for your character & ship, and knowing what you can push out of them to make them work for you. (Yes I know that leaves 1% left....that is set aside for the gerbil powered engines... :D)

Archived Post 02-20-2012 12:27 PM

I disagree respectfully.
I only pvp with my kdf eng and have done so thousands of times.
With so many ways of getting around cloak the brell is a flying coffin.
I bought it with money a long time ago and have tried to get it to work in elite pve dailies and come up snake eyes.
Yes, it is sweet in kerrat. But not in any other situation.
I can honestly say the same with the tac carrier but that was eventually fixed.
But the brell is a death trap.
Not enough dps and not enough hps. But it has a ebc. The ebc makes it a t5 ignoring the fact that it still doesn't have a lot of dps or hps. To me it it equivalent to flying a t3 ship with a good cloak; as soon as the cloak drops you are a t3 ship

Archived Post 02-21-2012 12:54 AM

I have not had problems with my b'rel retro.

It is a little squishy, but not exceedingly so. Spike damage is fine as well running 3 cannons and 2 turrets. The BR is a thinking man's ship. You have to pick your targets, use your EWAR, and gtfo after you strike. It's a slower playing pace, with frantic bouts in between. This works great in kerrat, but in the arenas you need to buddy up and deliver the finishing blow from the shadows.

If you want a one-man pwn-all ship, the BR is not it. But if you want a more analytical, precision-type ship, this one is right up your alley.

I use a commander tac, ltc science for EWAR and polarized hull, and then one eng for shield stuff, and one eng for hull in the lt spots as far as boffs go.

Archived Post 02-22-2012 06:27 PM

My favorite ship is the B'rel retrofit. If you do the proper setup with Bridge Officers, use appropriate gear, and fly quick hit and runs, it works very well, and has a great survivability.

However, if you like to slow down and not make pass runs at your target, or use a poor BO loadout, it won't work very well.

The only reason I fly the B'rel vs the Hegh'ta is the better speed and maneuverability that the B'rel offers. Some may argue it isn't work the lower hull that the B'rel has, but I respectfully disagree.

Archived Post 02-22-2012 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Adyreon
My favorite ship is the B'rel retrofit. If you do the proper setup with Bridge Officers, use appropriate gear, and fly quick hit and runs, it works very well, and has a great survivability.

However, if you like to slow down and not make pass runs at your target, or use a poor BO loadout, it won't work very well.

The only reason I fly the B'rel vs the Hegh'ta is the better speed and maneuverability that the B'rel offers. Some may argue it isn't work the lower hull that the B'rel has, but I respectfully disagree.

This guy touches on what makes the B'rel work.

It's not a ship for slogging it out toe to toe. Flying the B'rel retrofit is about speed, surprise, and violence of action. If it has come to the point where your hull points matter, you had better be breaking contact already, or you messed up. It's the fastest, most nimble ship with 4 frontal weapons. It's enhanced battle cloak is just situational gravy.

Play to the BR's strengths, and it will serve you well. Try to make it do something it isn't designed for, and it will fail you.


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