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Archived Post 02-19-2012 07:15 AM

Okay why not rank missions to ship owned not rank.
 
I know its going to be a big question for most of you why would you give up the bigger ships when offered for almost nothing, I would say if your happy in a ship why do you have to get a bigger one?

I would like to see one simple change use the ship tier your in for mission difficulty if you like a Heavy Cruiser why not let people stay in the Heavy Cruiser they like, instead of foisting the game challenges up on your rank.

And there could be benefits I would buy a C-Store ship if I could keep it for the duration of the game but now what is the point you eventually rank out of needing it and it makes the small ships useless even if Admiral John Smith wants to use it to fight Borg in a war zone mission.

Another option upgrades on a smaller ship built into the game say you love your Heavy Cruiser (my choice of best ship as I play) why not go okay you can get a new ship OR for 1 EC refit it with a health bump of 10% and one equipment from the vendor not up to a next tier cruiser say but better than before. Same for the Klingons if your an Orion in a C-Store Orion ship why can't they keep it and play in it you could allow a 1 D upgrade maybe to health also and a bump in fighters in the fighter bay or a cool item of equipment?

I know for me I hate the ships past Commander on the Fed side and the Klingons are not as bad but there is a disincentive to by racial vessels and use them if premium ones and I resent having to get the bigger ships when I love a particular one. Even if it leaves some adventure paths off limits who cares if one wants to trade off that for sticking with the "old girl that they fell in love with".

It should not be hard to do if the game can ID rank for difficulties it should be just as easy to go what ship is the player in and use that.

Archived Post 02-19-2012 07:20 AM

STO is not a single-player game. It is an MMO which also includes PvP. A single-player game can easily balance to a single player. Trying to balance a team where one person is using a T1 ship, the next a T3, two more using T4s, and one using a T5 would be a major pain.

Plus is you're going to allow all ships to be balanced at all levels what's the point of having different ships at all? I mean if a TOS Connie can defeat a Sovereign why have a Sovereign at all? And how does allowing a TOS Connie to defeat a Sovereign make any sense with canon?

Archived Post 02-19-2012 07:26 AM

A "tierless" system wrecks havoc because its either as Cosmic_One says and there are no differences or because there are no "block" for the player to understand that some ships are worst that others, meaning we would have people stubborn trying to run STFs in Heavy Cruisers.

Archived Post 02-19-2012 07:54 AM

P v/ P gear it to the ship and rank or just lock them out of any team game with ships one tier over what they are flying.

And I will note the ships would get a buff and have better access to higher end consoles and weapons so they could still hold there own, just might take some more tactics.

And they would not be balanced even buffed the higher tier ship would be better. But like I said what about those who don't like any of the larger ships I'm in an Exploration Cruiser now and vastly prefered my Heavy Cruiser (which for a 10% health bump refitting would likely still be more than enough to play it). I find it had the ideal balance for me of maneuvering speed, health and firepower with enough crew to do the job.

If PvP is an issue work it out then make that not an option for that player. We could call it casual play over regular play. One could still fight one on one or do other things in the game. And like I said for a casual player I would buy a premium vessel since I could stay in that ship indefinately making it an investment and would by CP's to get Dilithium to buy up cool higher end tech as needed. I'd trade off PvP for that and advancement long term in my case. Others here that might be to much to give up.

Archived Post 02-19-2012 08:16 AM

All you have to do is look in a red alert to see the difference between a buffed up t2 ship and a real t5. Especially in Orellius.

Archived Post 02-19-2012 08:39 AM

And that affects a Casual player how? I said fine lock out some things from me its fine I will more likely as a f2p person by a premium ship, buy dilithium to upgrade the tech as needed in the ship and be happy in my Heavy Cruiser. If that means less speedy advancement or losing adventure paths which I know have ranks attached then FINE.

Give players just that option as an option. It should be workable with some common sense and make them more money in the process right now there is small incentive to spend anything when a ship is outdated why invest much in it? I get a cool premium ship and its beefed up a little and I can add tech to it as i get it I might spend more on such investments.

Where is my incentive to get a modified heavy cruiser or an orion specific vessal if they are not useful to me at some point its a waste of money.

Archived Post 02-19-2012 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic_One (Post 4033761)
Plus is you're going to allow all ships to be balanced at all levels what's the point of having different ships at all?

Maybe because people like a specific star trek series and want to fly the title ship or they have a favourite class of ship. Im VA and im stuck with either Prometheus or Defiant as escort. I love the Thunderchild class but flying one at VA is just suicide. So im stuck with ships i dont like or want to use just for the sake of being able to compete at VA level.

Archived Post 02-19-2012 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMartin
Maybe because people like a specific star trek series and want to fly the title ship or they have a favourite class of ship. Im VA and im stuck with either Prometheus or Defiant as escort. I love the Thunderchild class but flying one at VA is just suicide. So im stuck with ships i dont like or want to use just for the sake of being able to compete at VA level.

Again, how does it make sense in canon, though? Plus, the T5 Akira is on the drawing board - which means you will probably be able to use your Thunderchild skin on it. :)

Archived Post 02-19-2012 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic_One (Post 4033982)
Again, how does it make sense in canon, though?

By that line of thought, why do we have Excelsiors, TOS Connies, Defiants, and Intrepids that are as good or better than much newer ships?

Really what they should do (And I am convinced they will at some point) is sell retrofit tokens that allow a one-time use to retrofit any owned ship into a tier 5, with appropriate slots, stats, and stations for a T5 ship of that type. They could sell them at 2000-2500 at people would snatch them up like crazy.

Archived Post 02-19-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic_One (Post 4033982)
Again, how does it make sense in canon, though? Plus, the T5 Akira is on the drawing board - which means you will probably be able to use your Thunderchild skin on it. :)

Of course it makes sense in canon, old ships are regularly refit and reused, there were Miranda class ships in the Dominion War for instance.


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