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Archived Post 03-19-2012 11:14 AM

Retrofit/Refit Idea for Recon Sci and Deep Space Sci Ships
 
Hi, I'd like to get some feedback from the community on the idea of refitting and/or retrofitting the reconnaissance science vessel and the deep space sci vessel. While the intrepid and nebula class are fun ships to fly around in, I would still like to be able to fly my recon sci vessel in pvp and have a decent chance to win. At the moment, the recon sci ship's hull doesn't seem to be strong enough to be able to survive long against a bortasq cruiser, Kling tier 5 carrier, or a tier 4 or 5 Kling cruiser. However, this could be corrected.

I'm thinking the recon ship could be retrofitted to have to have 29,000 hull points, a Lt. Commander tactical boff instead of a lieutenant tac boff , 4 tactical consoles, and a universal science console.

Alternatively, it could be refitted to have a lt commander tactical boff and 4 tactical consoles with a universal console. Hull points would be the same-27,000.


The deep space science vessel could be retrofitted to have 31,000 hull points, a Lt. commander engie boff instead of a Lt. engie, 4 engineering consoles, and a universal console.

This one could also have a refit option with 4 engie consoles and a commander engineering boff alongside the ensign engie boff.


I mean, think about it. From an RP standpoint, upgrading these ships make a lot more sense than wasting Federation resources on retrofitting the intrepid class. The Recon and deep space sci ships are newer in design, so their hulls and computer systems should cost less to upgrade.

Archived Post 03-19-2012 03:18 PM

Yes, please.

I would a new Sci vessel, but a new version of the DSRV would be fantastic.

Archived Post 03-19-2012 03:28 PM

The closest balanced version would be to just give them a refit version with a LtC Tactical station...

I've been wanting one myself as the D'Kyr fills the Engineering hybrid role

So Boff slots would end up being

LtC Tact
Lt Eng
Cmdr Sci
Lt Sci
Ensign Sci

You won't get a console buff... sorry.. the only reason the newer flagships got one was to make up for losing slots with the new console sets..

But, yes..... even escorts have been waiting for a LtC Engineer ship..

These are the only two hybrids missing fed side atm

Archived Post 03-19-2012 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gypsy_Blade
The closest balanced version would be to just give them a refit version with a LtC Tactical station...

I've been wanting one myself as the D'Kyr fills the Engineering hybrid role

So Boff slots would end up being

LtC Tact
Lt Eng
Cmdr Sci
Lt Sci
Ensign Sci

You won't get a console buff... sorry.. the only reason the newer flagships got one was to make up for losing slots with the new console sets..

But, yes..... even escorts have been waiting for a LtC Engineer ship..

These are the only two hybrids missing fed side atm

If I had to compromise, I would go for just a refit of the recon science vessel as you suggest.

When you say the part about "these are the only two hybrids missing fed side atm," you are referring to the deep space and recon science refits, right?

Archived Post 03-19-2012 06:12 PM

Tier 4 Klingon Cruisers? There is a Tier 5 Vor'cha it's a Sovreign with better turning and a cloaking device but with a weaker hull.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but did you want a Lt.Com slot to replace a Lt and Ens slot? That's never going to happen that is simply too big of an advantage over every other ship in the game.

Now as somebody pointed out there is already a Engineering heavy Sci vessel and it's the Vulcan D'kyr.

But yes a more Tac focussed Sci vessel hybrid would be in line. Not sure what it would be but.

And as somebody mentioned there is no Engineer hybrid Escort. Although that may soon be filled by the Andorian one coming out soon.

If I had my way, a T5 Akira, more in common with a Cruiser than an Escort but still practical to mount DHC's on. As for a Special Console, Give it Fighters instead. Feds fill in the missing link in their fleet, get a Carrier that's not just a reskinned Klingon vessel, which has a Canon reason to have Fighters (Akira's carried 40 or so Fighters, but this was dropped to 10-15 when better fighters where made), and shuts up all the People who want a T5 Akira (including me).

Archived Post 03-20-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DKnight1000
Tier 4 Klingon Cruisers? There is a Tier 5 Vor'cha it's a Sovreign with better turning and a cloaking device but with a weaker hull.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but did you want a Lt.Com slot to replace a Lt and Ens slot? That's never going to happen that is simply too big of an advantage over every other ship in the game.

What I meant was the recon science vessel retrofit would have 4 tactical consoles and in terms of tactical officers, a Lt commander tac, and an ensign tac. As for as it having too big of an advantage over every other ship in the game, maybe you're partly right. You'd have to take away one of the science consoles to make it more balanced. It would then have 3 science consoles, 4 tactical consoles, and 2 engineering consoles. Also, lets change the lt commander science to an ensign science.

Ok, so now we have the following configuration on the recon sci. retrofit:

Bridge Officers: Commander Science, Ensign Science
Lt. Commander Tactical, Ensign tactical
Lt. Engineer

Consoles: 3 Sci, 4 Tac, 2 Engi

Turn Rate: 13 Degrees/sec

Hull Points: 29,000


It would be identical to the multi-vector advanced escort in console configuration. If you compare the bridge officer layouts, the Multi vector has a similar bridge officer layout. My recon retrofit proposal would be like switching the MVA's Commander and ensign tactical to science and like switching the MVA's lt. commander science to a tactical. Also, the MVA's Lieutenant tactical would become an ensign tactical.

Archived Post 03-20-2012 03:21 PM

Your Boff looks right

But your Consoles are going to be.
2 Eng
4 Sci
3 Tac

It's a Sci ship, you must have 4 Sci consoles if you take 4 Tac consoles this is an Escort. The MVAE and the MVAM are essentially the same ship but the MVAM has a more science focus yet the console configuration is the same.

Your description isn't a Sci/Tac Hybrid is sounds almost like the MVAM but a bit slower. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Sci/Tac hybrid

Sci - Com
Tac - Lt.Com
Eng - Lt
Sci - Lt
Sci - Ens

3 Devices

2 Eng
4 Sci
3 Tac

Look around that's what the other Hybrid ships are. I think the real discussion is what ship it should look like.

Archived Post 03-20-2012 10:28 PM

How long has it been since we got a new top tier science ship? Umm.. forever sounds about right. :p

Archived Post 03-21-2012 09:51 PM

Meh. They're both supposed to be top tier already. If they're unable to survive against other top tier ships, they need a buff, or other ships need a rebalance. >_>


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