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Archived Post 03-23-2012 12:33 PM

DOFF changes - negative feelings
 
I like the idea of having more immersion. It is nice to be able to walk around the ship every now and then to look at things, BUT:

There is this 19th century invention called the phone, that would work just great for most of what happens in the assignment business. I do not like to run around just to ask people whats up, when i can do it from the comfort of my chair as well. Why would this be different in the future?

We simply need the ability to access the various department lists from outside the ship (be that sector space or on foot).. there is no reason really not to do this. On some ships, you can access all departments from a single console.. this is already a lot better than what I have on my standard ship, where i have to visit 7 different officers at 4 different locations to get the full picture. It is - however - far from being the best possible solution.

Fact: there is a lot more going on inside the ship now, that requires a lot more attention to deal with
Fact: (though a subjective one) the ship interiors are UGLY
Fact: the load times between sector changes are too long even on my SSD driven monster rig. Having to wait 5-10 seconds to go from the bridge to the crew deck is NOT acceptable if you have to do that several times in short succession. I don't even want to think about how I would hate this game if it weren't for the SSD speeding things up.
Fact: The novelty value of the officers that you can talk to wears out kinda fast and is replaced by increasing frustration over the added need for micromanagement.

Considering all these facts, I suggest you consider the above mentioned idea of creating several new sections in the assignment journal below personal..

Same goes for location specific assignment 'vendors'. There is no reason for me to meet with the Andorian representative in a back alley to arrange a cultural exchange when we can do that just as fine over the phone.

If there is some special assignment vendor that you want to 'hide', then this makes sense.. but for the guys that are always available and provide the same general assignments.. this only makes our life all that harder.

Fix it. Thanks.

EDIT: Also - as it is right now, you can try to start missions that are on cooldown (from the various shipboard NPC menus) only to get a message from the system that it failed to start the mission. This is highly annoying and leads to lots of confusion as it gives no indication as of why it failed.

Archived Post 03-23-2012 12:37 PM

http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...92#post4116792

Archived Post 03-23-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Heretic

I rest my case. Thats precisely what i've had in mind to solve this. Though the obvious question still begs itself.. if you were aware that the current system is irritating, then why push it out in its current form? :)

Archived Post 03-23-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by csebal (Post 4117073)
I rest my case. Thats precisely what i've had in mind to solve this. Though the obvious question still begs itself.. if you were aware that the current system is irritating, then why push it out in its current form? :)

Development is a moving target. :cool:

Archived Post 03-23-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Heretic
Development is a moving target. :cool:

Trip it. (+char)

Archived Post 03-23-2012 01:36 PM

I think people would have been fine with walking to the officers inside the ship if it would have been clear that it is a daily thing.

I don't mind visiting my own ship, SFA, DS9, sector 1-11 once a day to see what's up. It's the daily tour. No problem to add my own ship to it.

The misconception that made people irritated, was that we thought, we had to check every hour/every sector. Because of the filter-bug.

edit: It's actually kinda said now, that because of this miscommunication, the department-buttons will go to the GUI and shipboard is degraded back a little as a outrage/damage-control measure. Outrage that turned out to be not justified IMO.

Archived Post 03-23-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by VoratusAlpha
Trip it. (+char)

I think you meant "Gravity Well" or "Stasis Field". :)

Archived Post 03-23-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sovok (Post 4117252)
I think people would have been fine with walking to the officers inside the ship if it would have been clear that it is a daily thing.

I don't mind visiting my own ship, SFA, DS9, sector 1-11 once a day to see what's up. It's the daily tour. No problem to add my own ship to it.

The misconception that made people irritated, was that we thought, we had to check every hour/every sector. Because of the filter-bug.

edit: It's actually kinda said now, that because of this miscommunication, the department-buttons will go to the GUI and shipboard is degraded back a little as a outrage/damage-control measure. Outrage that turned out to be not justified IMO.

It also wasnt clearly pointed out that this was more for the DOFF chains and not required to visit. You could still do sector and personal missions without ever going to your bridge. It is more of a bonus mission zone.

Archived Post 03-23-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieboysw (Post 4117291)
It also wasnt clearly pointed out that this was more for the DOFF chains and not required to visit. You could still do sector and personal missions without ever going to your bridge. It is more of a bonus mission zone.

"required" in this case means: Heretic can not trust us to handle the DOFF system responsibly on our own. We love it so much, that we feel we are 'required' to consume everything he gives us of this 'drug' ;) So it is his responsibility to not overdose us! :D

Archived Post 03-23-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieboysw (Post 4117291)
It also wasnt clearly pointed out that this was more for the DOFF chains and not required to visit. You could still do sector and personal missions without ever going to your bridge. It is more of a bonus mission zone.

There is lots of confusion...

Mainly what stupid officer hands out which missions.... its very unintutive... do ypu talk to the Envoy or Ops... Sci or Engineering. I never memorized what misisons were in which catagory. Like if you want an explore... Who would you go to?

The talking point that isnt rue is that we would just do it once a day. Assignment slots open all the time so you might need to do it every few hours... and memorize what is available so if slots open in 5 hours from the last time you checked you could remember what was up. Now you are left with "hey i remember seexing mission X and hour ago... was that sector, personal or one of those officers"

Possibly if things were on the test server for more than a day kinks and bugs could be worked out.

Anyway... my feelings are mostly negative, I have to make special trips to ESD and use a ship I dont want to. These are things I didnt have to do yesterday.

If there was actual functionality on the ships like mail, bank, exchange etc then it wouldnt be such a hassle to deal with the doffing.... But because of the constant stream of junk and Doffs I still have to make special trips to a base to unload and then get back in the ship to take missions that I can open up now that my inventory and roster are clear. Its just extra tedium.


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