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Archived Post 05-18-2012 02:12 AM

Battleship: The best Star Trek Movie since Galaxy Quest
 
Hear me out. I promise I'm not trolling.

Go into this movie, not rooting for the humans, but imagine the aliens as a Federation species attempting first contact with a communicating species... Trust me, you'll like it.


HERE BE SPOILERS





This 'invasion' is clearly nothing of the sort. It barely qualifies as a military expedition. This is clearly a diplomatic, first contact mission gone horribly, horribly wrong.

My Evidence:
-When they land, they don't go for population centers, manufacturing hubs, or other militarily or logistically significant targets. They land at the site of the communication. This is what I would expect from someone I invite. To show up at the 'door,' not raid my garage.

-Throughout the movie, their standard ROE seems to be matching scales of intensity. They don't attack clearly military facilities until they are directly attacked, even going so far as to disengage from combat with proven hostiles. They show considerable restraint in this self-defensive action, and NEVER deliberately target civilians, even going so far as to inconvenience themselves to avoid it.

-Their primary mission throughout the movie is to get to the communications array and contact home. Considering the welcome, this is probably an SOS or quarantine order.

-Their initial contact is bog-standard first contact. The ship communicates with a sound, so do they. It isn't their fault it's too loud. They move to protect one of their own that's being fired upon, and specifically target to disable weapons when they do open fire. It's clear throughout that they don't want this conflict.

-Their weapon loadouts are completely insane for a military invasion. They have two displayed weapons: A short-range, non-guided sticky-grenade and a long-range, intelligent, precise roving ball (assuming the initial blast thing is in fact their equivalent of a horn). This is not what I would expect from an invasion, but it is what I would expect for a 'just in case' security escort for a diplomatic envoy; a crowd-control weapon, and something to take out snipers.

-That an interstellar vessel can be utterly destroyed by impacting one of our satellites (which are very fragile in and of themselves) displays a stunning lack of armor. Since it was their communications ship, this would be their command vessel in an invasion fleet. It should be fairly well-armored. That it is not so suggests that it is, in fact, either a diplomatic ship or a completely civilian vessel.

-The one and only unprovoked attack on human settlements is clearly-executed with a mission in mind. They are disabling the military inside the shield, preventing them from getting to the communications array. They disable the main highway for ground transport to the mountain, incurring minimum civilian casualties. Their second target is the aircraft of the hangar. The only people we see dying in that attack were shooting at the spheres. In fact, the spheres notably ALTER their course to avoid fleeing military personnel.

Ergo, they're clearly following a very Federation stance on their interactions. It's a fantastic Star Trek movie (if you can get over the fact that the Saurian vessels seem radically divergent from what you'd expect).

Thoughts, comments, insults, scathing critique?

Archived Post 05-18-2012 02:41 AM

Well, i saw Battleship just after going to see Star Wars Episode 1 in 3D.

And to be honest i enjoyed BS (see what i did there?:D) more than ep 1....

So yes. Yes, i think it is a first contact movie. The humans were just to stupid and gun-ho to realize it. ;)

Archived Post 05-18-2012 04:29 AM

My word man, you've just blown my mind.

Now I want to see it again, with this perspective applied.

Archived Post 05-18-2012 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grylak
My word man, you've just blown my mind.

Now I want to see it again, with this perspective applied.

Thank you kindly. I'm curious how much of this movie is going to be second-timers watching it to confirm this theory for themselves.

Archived Post 05-18-2012 11:20 AM

A surprising interpretatuon of the film. Originally my only interest was a curiocity bordering on the perverse but now you've gone and turned that into genuine interest.

Well done sir.

Archived Post 05-18-2012 05:13 PM

ya I have to say good job!!

I was NOT going to watch this film.. it had no interest to me at all. But your comments have made me very curious now.. you did a better job selling this film to me then all of their PR guys did haha

Battleship PR team --- Crap... not going watch

Review by stargate525 --- Ears perked up... curiousity now peaked.

Archived Post 05-18-2012 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeroscifer (Post 4222261)
ya I have to say good job!!

I was NOT going to watch this film.. it had no interest to me at all. But your comments have made me very curious now.. you did a better job selling this film to me then all of their PR guys did haha

Battleship PR team --- Crap... not going watch

Review by stargate525 --- Ears perked up... curiousity now peaked.

That is totally my new signature! Thanks!

Archived Post 05-18-2012 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amlross
Well, i saw Battleship just after going to see Star Wars Episode 1 in 3D.

And to be honest i enjoyed BS (see what i did there?:D) more than ep 1....

So yes. Yes, i think it is a first contact movie. The humans were just to stupid and gun-ho to realize it. ;)


For a movie based on a game, it was a surprisingly fun and enjoyable film.


*spoilers*



The first contact concept only works until the "psychic flash" scene (why are aliens always psychic), where one of our heroes learns their true intention is conquest. Even if the aliens had a weird aversion to killing little kids and livestock.. but somehow trashing a highway and all the people filled vehicles on it is ok.

-cheers

Archived Post 05-18-2012 08:09 PM

-SPOILERS-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamma. (Post 4222427)
The first contact concept only works until the "psychic flash" scene (why are aliens always psychic), where one of our heroes learns their true intention is conquest. Even if the aliens had a weird aversion to killing little kids and livestock.. but somehow trashing a highway and all the people filled vehicles on it is ok.

But what do we actually see? We see a planet being bombarded and destroyed. The scene is very brief, monochromatic, and rather fast-paced. It also gets forcibly ended, so it might not have been complete. It's a communication that could mean a whole host of things:

-(the one Hopper goes with) This is what we're going to do to you.
-This is what we've done to ourselves.
-Is this what you think we're here for?
-Is this what you're going to do to us?
-How haven't you done this to yourself?

I think that Hopper's interpretation is wrong. This is only reinforced by the very nice shot we get of their prisoner as the others break in to save him. The alien is clearly terrified. He reached out to the rescuers for help. That they're this bloodthirsty race that will be using ORBITAL WEAPONRY is borne out NOWHERE in their actions elsewhere in the movie. That this is a warning or a question rather than a threat is, in my opinion, much more likely.

Archived Post 05-19-2012 03:24 AM

It could be, but you may also be giving the film more credit then it deserves.


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