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z0gra 08-21-2012 05:33 AM

DEVS: plz give us KDF escort carrier
 
Srsly now i am to old to write on forums :P

But look into fed escort carrier

It got 3x tac 1 enginer 1 sci

The problem is that it got both lt commander tac and enginner making the ship cookie cutter dps and heavyweight tank at the same time

On top of that it got the annoying tractor pets CCing the **** out of us!!!!!

Now if this isnt OVERPOWER then what is it?

Srsly now that ship in federation side is the MOST OP ship into game

Call me lier?

Pen and papper plz write down fed escort stats including its boffs weapons and hangar bay then try to find another ship in the game that got simillar stats boffs weapons and hangar

YOU wont find.

So i kindly ask Devs not to nerf the federation escort ship but to give us (KDF) a same or a simillar ship that got both lt comm tac and enginner and got 7 weapons and hangar bay also and those tractor pets also plz.

Srsly i cant stand up against those fed escort carrier no matter how good i play if the fed pilot is experienced as me.

Before tell me l2p come challenge me in a private challenge if you win then i go to l2p.

So when i tell you that federation ship is OP it means its very very very OP in the right hands.

Plz give us KDF a simillar escort carrier

You dont have to create a new ship model just look into lower tier BOP's and use what looks best.....

If you plan to make it weaker than fed escort carrier cause of non combat cloack?

Skip the cloack we dont need cloack we got BOP's for that


TY

z0gra 08-21-2012 05:52 AM

is anybody reading this **** or all devs are into federation forums?

Hello we exist also here?

We got money also?

Ok like i said first of all i dont lie here

Federation escort carrier got 2 much of dmg 2 much of survival and 2 much of CC cause of tractor boat pets...

Those 3 make a deadly combination that the result is overpowering pawnage .

Plz stop this or even better let the feds have fun but give us the SAME SHIP so we can have some fun also?

Give us that damn ship we gone pay for it!

bitemepwe 08-21-2012 05:56 AM

The Armitage is highly annoying thanks to those Danube TB pets and it is a better firepower vessel with its 15 turnrate and (3) Tac/ (1) LTC engineer and (1) LT science BOffs, its 4/3/2 consoles and its 32khull and 4703 shields.
It literally is the best of both the escort and the carrier in all respects, but it can be overcome.
You must specifically design a vessel to fight against it and its spam. Iether an escort designed to burst AoE to keep its pets down or a Battle Cruiser designed to slug it out AoE style with the Armitage directly and somewhat ignore the TB spamming pets.

How ever one overcomes the Armitage, there is no denying that it was designed to be a "little OP" to sell better given its fantastic stats and I would not be upset to see the KDf design something to offset its advantages, as befits and arms race.

You would think that since by Dev design the KDF brought Carriers and pet spam to the game, we would better know how to fight against such a tactic and have the counter measures to do so.

Like possibly a better forward weapon slotted Raptor class/ Battle Cruiser class the same BOff set up, standard battle cruiser or raptor turn rate and a 5/2 forward focused weapons arraingment.

z0gra 08-21-2012 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bitemepwe (Post 5377641)
The Armitage is highly annoying thanks to those Danube TB pets and it is a better firepower vessel with its 15 turnrate and (3) Tac/ (1) LTC engineer and (1) LT science BOffs, its 4/3/2 consoles and its 32khull and 4703 shields.
It literally is the best of both the escort and the carrier in all respects, but it can be overcome.
You must specifically design a vessel to fight against it and its spam. Iether an escort designed to burst AoE to keep its pets down or a Battle Cruiser designed to slug it out AoE style with the Armitage directly and somewhat ignore the TB spamming pets.

How ever one overcomes the Armitage, there is no denying that it was designed to be a "little OP" to sell better given its fantastic stats and I would not be upset to see the KDf design something to offset its advantages, as befits and arms race.

You would think that since by Dev design the KDF brought Carriers and pet spam to the game, we would better know how to fight against such a tactic and have the counter measures to do so.


Hi roach (if you are) you have been a great help to me when i was trying to learn things about the game/skills etc etc TYVM for the information you provided into these forums you have helped both kdf and fed community very much i believe and personally me without you i wouldnt be here atm.


Now to our point the only countermeasure against those damn tractor boats is AP omega and it got 1 min CD if i recall correctly. Also it shares somehow CD with AP beta and delta.

Not sure if the Polarize Hull works against tractor boats cause if i break 1 tractor then another boat will tractor me and the Polarize Hull will be on CD but even it works u gotta sucrifice a lot of survival just for to be able to break one tractor effect.

I still strongly persist that fed escort carrier is way to much OP ship and either nerf it or because i dont like to nerf things especially KDF things Just give us the same ship with different look

TY

Sry for my bad english

ariseabove 08-21-2012 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by z0gra (Post 5377461)
So i kindly ask Devs not to nerf the federation escort ship but to give us (KDF) a same or a simillar ship that got both lt comm tac and enginner and got 7 weapons and hangar bay also and those tractor pets also plz.

The Mighty KDF already have a beast of a carrier "Kar Fi" now if you can't beat an Armatage in that theres something wrong with you.

I have them both I wouldn't call my self either a Fed or Klingon sided player as I tend to play both sides equally as much.

While the Kar fi isn't an "Escort" it can certainly hold its own against one with a whole bunch of ways to get loose of those horrible tractor beams (if its any consolation I don't use those pets on my Armatage nor do I use it in pvp).

And another KDF ship that can wrip those Armatages a new one is the Siege destroyer, that thing just owns especially with quad cannons on it. With an engineer or Science officer covering you while you unload a massive amount of dps you shouldn't have any problems unless of course some one gets your cover.

If the KDF need a new ship its a Science one as other than the Carrier there are no Sci ships unless you pay for them from the c-store and that is totally unfair.

bitemepwe 08-21-2012 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by z0gra (Post 5377741)
Hi roach (if you are)

I better be becuase otherwise I'm wearing his underwear. :P

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you have been a great help to me when i was trying to learn things about the game/skills etc etc TYVM for the information you provided into these forums you have helped both kdf and fed community very much i believe and personally me without you i wouldnt be here atm.
I try. Sometimes I succeed.

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Now to our point the only countermeasure against those damn tractor boats is AP omega and it got 1 min CD if i recall correctly. Also it shares somehow CD with AP beta and delta.

Not sure if the Polarize Hull works against tractor boats cause if i break 1 tractor then another boat will tractor me and the Polarize Hull will be on CD but even it works u gotta sucrifice a lot of survival just for to be able to break one tractor effect.

I still strongly persist that fed escort carrier is way to much OP ship and either nerf it or because i dont like to nerf things especially KDF things Just give us the same ship with different look
Its the combination of the great Escort stats of the Armitage and those TB happy Danubes that makes the vessel so deadly becuase while it moves around to postion for the burst attack the danubes are holding you in place and dismissing any movement defense you may have.

In a one to one it can not be beat easily or without great skill or unless on has a slightly more OP vessel (say bug ship), the advantages are stacked too much in its favor (that little bit OP again). It must be overcome by teamwork. Someone must attack its pets and render them useless while another attacks the Armitage itself.

EWP, Gwell, Theta Vent, possibly SS, even a Cannon/Beam array + DEM set up is effective against the pets.



Unfortunately against the TB pets Polarize Hull is easily overcome due to multiple TBs and even ApO is little efective for the same reason and its long Cool Down.
Frankly it is OP but I doubt the Devs will ever change it, as they have already stated that Cstore ships must be a little OP to sell better (by thier reckoning). I would prefer we KDF players learn the tactics to overcome it until the Devs see fit to design us an Anti-Carrier vessel to compensate.
Something like an anti-CnC vessel;
Rank:Tier:5
Type:
Escort Hull:32,000
Standard Shields:4,703
(Mk X)Weapons: 3 3
Can equip dual cannons.
Crew:200
Bridge Officers:
(1) LTC/Tactical
(1) LT/tactical
(1) Commander/Science
(1) Ensign/Engineer
(1) LT/ Engineer

Device Slots:2
Consoles: 4T 2E 3S
Turn Rate:12
Impulse Modifier:0.20
Bonus Power:
+10 weapons power
+5 Auxillary power

Anti-Support Craft Modules:
(2) Designated Consoles - Anti-support craft modules
Rare locked Console (can be used or removed from ship only- non universal)
Bind On Pickup

Values do not reflect skills or other modifiers

Automatically Attacks Nearby pets

195 Disruptor Damage x4 per sec for 15 sec (divided among all available pet only targets)
(3x damage to Frigates
(10x damage to small crafts)
10% proc chance Jams Sensors (against pets only)

Buffable by CRF/CSV abilities.

If such is not too much. (though a little OP will make it sell better, or so the theory goes.)

lostmoony 08-21-2012 07:36 AM

the same threat was running some days ago now again the flaming and the point in the other threat ends with:

kdf have still the karfi lower turn rate right but in all other points for me the much better ship so stop crying for a crapy escort, use the epicness of the karfi.;)

trueprom3theus 08-21-2012 08:41 AM

I wish cryptic never invented this carrier bs... And it all started with the neglected kdf faction from the beginning of the game 2+ yrs ago. Rather than create more ships for kdf, make bop w universals and add a carrier. And with carrier the whole fun went away (no offense to you carrier aficionados, lol).

To the op, I would rather see a better bop designed than another carrier. Lol. I hate them. But to be fair, in 1-1, the only annoyance to fight armitage is its tractor pets. If you fly cruiser, put at least a faw, if it happen to be buffed, you clean those poor shuttles in few seconds. Also have a ph handy. As an escort, is even easier. Chain 2 apo and a ph and get the armitage. Sad thing is that now, other than guramba and craptor, kdf doesn't have a faction specific escort... Oh, bop, but vs an armitage, I think we all know the result. Guramba and captor are both on the verge to became obsolete also. So the only solution kdf has is to unlock the damn boxes to get a bug when they start offering it again. Bug on the other hand (w 2 apo and ph) will slice through an armitage (considering 2 equally skilled players). A properly set tac bortie (faw, Bo, ph, maybe a torp spread) is just laughing at it.

Edit: Even in a non 1-1 scenario, with relatively balanced teams, I don't see armitage as a threat, at least not more than a bug or even a defiant.

But please, guys, don't ask for more carriers. Lol.

capcush 08-21-2012 09:03 AM

I would have to say getting a KDF escort carrier would not be as useful as yall think. its true it can launch ships but even though it can do that they are like paper plains and are easily destroyed by Klingon carriers and any other Klingon ship out there. in survivability we have beter ships and because of the ability to load out cannons on most all of the ships we have even the low level ships have strong power. over all we don't need new ships. what we need is more unique items that we can use on our side only. the federation has so many items they can only have where the Klingon's have only one unique item. and its a ground gun. but thats in the weeds.

my point is we have amazing ships right now both normal and carriers and we really don't need a federation hammy down because its "unfair that they get it"

thibash 08-21-2012 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by z0gra (Post 5377461)
It got 3x tac 1 enginer 1 sci

The problem is that it got both lt commander tac and enginner making the ship cookie cutter dps and heavyweight tank at the same time

It's second tactical slot is lt , not lt commander. So you were wrong, sorry. It hasn't got the best tactical slot setup and the best engineering slot setup. It just has the best engineering slot setup.

Learn what you want to complain about before you actually complain.


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