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djf021 09-24-2012 11:19 AM

Don't Screw Up Infected Space Elite For Your Whole Team!
 
I know there have been plenty of threads on how to perform Infected Space Elite. And yes, I was new to Elite STFs at one time, too. But here's what happened to me this morning:

I had about 20-25 minutes before I had to get off. I started an Infected Space Elite, all hopeful and looking forward to adding another 1100 dilithium to my bank. I'm in a mirror universe ASSULT cruiser and doing some pretty serious damage. We take out the first three patrols with ease, and I start to settle in thinking, "ahh, this'll be fun."

To my HORROR, someone in what I assume was a tactical escort retrofit shot over to the right side first (confusing, because the rest of us went left first, as most are used to doing). Then, did he attack the cube? NO. He immediately attacked a nanite generator. I thought, ok "ok, this will be fine as long as he stops at 10% damage and we take out the cube." NOPE. He blew the generator before the cube was even down to 75%! Well I knew at that moment that the optional objective would be impossible, of course. But I gritted my teeth and decided to try finishing the mission for the rest of the team, despite that idiot.

The rest of my experience was just pathetic. Of course Nanite Spheres were just pouring out of the gateway. Everyone started to panic and attack spheres (with which they were quickly surrounded), and the cube took forever to take out. I watched the guy who had BLOWN the mission for us attacking REGULAR spheres instead of nanite spheres, so we could at least take out the transformer. I and some of the rest of the team did what we could, but everyone was scattered, no one was focusing fire, and as soon as one Nanite Sphere was gone, another came through the gateway.

Despite everything, I was shocked when...the guy who had blown it for us LEFT!!! He screwed up the mission, made it almost impossible, and then BAILED. Gotta be honest with you, that pissed me off. Well others left very soon after that, including myself. MISSION FAILED.

My point is this...if you are in a team, NEVER just go off half-cocked without knowing what you're doing. Its not fair to the team. I know some people are new to Elite STFs, so they have to learn, but even in Infected Space NORMAL, you learn real quick that you don't blow a nanite generator right away, or the Nanite probes start coming. Now, in normal, you might still win, but that doesn't change the fact that they come when a generator is blown.

FOR ANYONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW, it is a PROVEN tactic in Infected Space Elite that works time after time after time:

Take out the cube above the Nanite Transformer FIRST. Then attack ALL the generators at the SAME TIME. Look around, make sure someone is one each one. If you are a science ship with tractor beam repulsors or gravity well, stay available and watch the gateway.
Get ALL the nanite generators down to about 10% health. This means if you're an escort and you're tearing it up, when you get down to about 12-15%, STOP. Look around and see if a cruiser or someone else is taking theirs down a little slower, and HELP YOUR TEAMMATES. When ALL the generators are around 10% (or less, as long as they are not destroyed yet), PAUSE a sec, make sure everyone is ready, then blow them. Usually two REGULAR spheres will appear and start attacking you. IGNORE THEM. Everyone focus fire on the transformer and it will blow in like 30 seconds. The Nanite spheres will head your way, but you will have plenty of time before they get there. After the transformer is gone, clear out the nanite spheres, then go to the othere transformer on the other side. Wash rinse, repeat. After both transformers are gone using the above procedure, take the gate out first, then the Tactical cube and any other spheres that are left.

Doing it this way, with a good team who knows what they are doing, you can get the whole thing done in less than fifteen minutes, and enjoy the bonus loot!
Sorry for the length, it just really pissed me off to see someone who should KNOW BETTER by the time they are playing Elite, screw it up for everybody. Please tell everyone you know who plays Elite STFs how to to this one correctly. Thanks for letting me rant!

hevach 09-24-2012 11:26 AM

Did you catch his name or fleet (Not that posting those things on the forums is allowed). There are people who do just what you describe intentionally to screw up the run, both in elite and normal (at least in normal the optional is still salvageable).

warpedcore 09-24-2012 11:34 AM

I hate to say it, but this sort of thing is normal in the Pugs. I bet he didn't even respond to instructions or communicate in any way either.

velktra 09-24-2012 11:53 AM

I'm willing to bet that guy screwed you on purpose. He wasn't there to play; he was there to be a troll and a griefer.

I've never seen anyone do that in the ISEs I've run, but I've seen people aggro the tac cube before the gate is down (that's "fun"), shoot everything except the nanospheres, aggro spheres on top of me (also "fun"), and even one carrier pilot who did no damage whatsoever other than popping someone else's gen then yelled "NOOBS!" and left (we did better once he left, imagine that).

I don't much care if someone blows a gen too early by accident; usually if you're on top of things you can corral the nanite spheres and save the optional. But I don't much care about the optional either. If we get it, that's cool, but there are only three things in that bag. Two team members don't get anything out of it (I'm usually one of them). I'll gladly take my dilithium and my EDCs. If I get salvage or tech, cool. If not, whatever. I'll run it again later.

djf021 09-24-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by warpedcore (Post 5821771)
I hate to say it, but this sort of thing is normal in the Pugs. I bet he didn't even respond to instructions or communicate in any way either.

Nope there was no communication whatsoever. And of course when I saw him doing that, I tried to say something, but no one sees the messages whiz by among all the damage reports in the chat box.
After hearing these first few responses, perhaps you guys are right. Maybe I've experienced my first incident with someone who does it on purpose. Just really annoying, and a waste of my time. The optional is nice to get a shot at, but even without it, if the mission is done right it's still possible. But not with all the confusion that guy caused.

velktra 09-24-2012 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by djf021 (Post 5823001)
no one sees the messages whiz by among all the damage reports in the chat box.

Set your main chat channel so it doesn't show combat messages. :P Otherwise you're right; you'll never see any chatter during battle, just long and never-ending scrolls of "so and so's whatever attack did x amount of damage to the other guy."

joshl7889 09-25-2012 03:49 AM

I had an experience similar to this, except 2 of the 5 of us went right instead of left. Naturally we failed the optional and it took us a good 35 minutes to compete the mission because the 2 that went left refused to follow direction. This has been a common problem for a while now. Ever since STO opened up in Europe. I have nothing against people over there, but when they come in and not follow the proper tactics, how is anything going to get done. The people that screw the missions up completely ignore you. If you screw up, yeah okay. Just say so and the rest of the team will, or at least i would hope, would understand. I was in an ISE the other night when someone blew a generator too early, and a KDF player in a carrier proceeded to run her mouth rather than attack with the rest of us. That is not really necessary either. ISE is the easiest of the 3 elite space STF's. There should be no reason that the optional is failed. Im a Tactical ship, i attack the generators, but after they are all gone, i go and stop the spheres with my repulsors and theta radiation. Buying the rest of my team time to, hopefully, destroy the transformer. Grated usually this is a suicide run for my ship, but it works. Im Just Sayin

jkname 09-25-2012 04:49 AM

I'm pretty sure posting such appeals is an exercise in futility. Aside from trolls, who will laugh at your pain because you posted this, nobody goes in thinking "Yes, today, I'm going to willfully screw up ISE". The people who are doing this, therefore, are subliterate baboons who are not, in fact, capable of reading, and therefore, will neither see nor understand this appeal.

weednik 10-02-2012 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jkname (Post 5833401)
I'm pretty sure posting such appeals is an exercise in futility. Aside from trolls, who will laugh at your pain because you posted this, nobody goes in thinking "Yes, today, I'm going to willfully screw up ISE". The people who are doing this, therefore, are subliterate baboons who are not, in fact, capable of reading, and therefore, will neither see nor understand this appeal.

Actually, this is the first time that I have seen these tactics explained. In the STFs have been in, nobody tried explaining or even telling me what to do. Now that I see how to properly conduct the STF, I will try to do them right.
Not all who err are subliterate nor are we baboons. Some of us are simply new and in need of proper instruction.

Thanks to djf021 for posting this.

srspells 10-02-2012 03:28 AM

Its possible to mess up ISE? serious srry to hear, but stop doing pugs, get a fleet, or go to a stf channel.

noone decent does pugs except maybe for testing DPS.
-Spells


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