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skurf 10-06-2012 12:30 PM

Come on Feds, get your poop together!
 
Why is it that in general Feds just suck at PvP compared to KDF players? I love my Fleet Defiant, but dammit, it's just not fun getting owned 80% of the time in one-sided blowouts. I was just in a match with 3 cruisers and another Defiant for team mates. At the beginning I asked the cruisers to please team heal if they see someone getting focused on or if someone is damaged. For the entire match, I was the only one to ever throw out any team heals, and at the end of the match I asked why they never team healed. The one answer I got was I should stop whining and fly a healing cruiser if I want heals. I regularly have 3-5 times as much damage as the next highest person on my team, and I'm really not very good at all. I don't understand how none of my team mates can even get above 50k damage and still not throw out any team heals at all. What exactly is their thought process that leads them to think team healing is not necessary and that if you want heals you should fly a cruiser. It's just very frustrating to fly PUGs on the Fed side to where I hardly get to fly my Defiant at all simply because I know I can log onto my KDF character and have team mates that actually know how to play.

/rant

virusdancer 10-06-2012 12:41 PM

TBH, in pugging - it's best to set your expectations low. Even if you expect your teammates to be able to find their way out of the starting areas...well, at some point you're going to feel let down.

TBHT, I haven't really noticed much of a difference in that whether flying Fed or KDF.

bitemepwe 10-06-2012 01:19 PM

We klinks really do know each other.......

criminius 10-06-2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitemepwe (Post 5974831)
We klinks really do know each other.......

That's because you can count how many klinks on two hands provided you have ten fingers :P

Half the feds queue fvk are only in it for the dilth.

brandonfl 10-06-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virusdancer (Post 5974511)
TBH, in pugging - it's best to set your expectations low. Even if you expect your teammates to be able to find their way out of the starting areas...well, at some point you're going to feel let down.

TBHT, I haven't really noticed much of a difference in that whether flying Fed or KDF.

Pretty Much This

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitemepwe (Post 5974831)
We klinks really do know each other.......

This

Quote:

Originally Posted by criminius (Post 5974851)
That's because you can count how many klinks on two hands provided you have ten fingers :P

Half the feds queue fvk are only in it for the dilth.

and this

virusdancer 10-06-2012 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by criminius (Post 5974851)
That's because you can count how many klinks on two hands provided you have ten fingers :P

Half the feds queue fvk are only in it for the dilth.

3... win or lose... profit!

I'm not a fan of the shiny sticker reward system that many games have.

orondis 10-06-2012 01:32 PM

There are a number of reasons which cause Fed pugs to suck so bad.

1 - The majority of players are fans of the show and it's highley likely the cruiser is their fave type of ship. So they fly it. The problem is that in STO, Fed cruisers suck at DPS compared to escorts and you'll sometimes need more then one escort to crack even an escorts shields. Cruisers? Ha, not a chance.

2 - Tanking in PvE is ridiculously easy, even on elite difficulty. As such new players will rarely ever develop the tanking/healing that is required in PvP. Some don't even know what tac team does, which is like the must have tanking skill for PvP.

3 - Similar to point 2, NPCs generally don't tank, meaning poor unoptimized builds will have little trouble handling them. Heck even a VA in a T2 cruiser can take out VA NPCs, with no buffs.

4 - Similar to point 1, KDF players will generally pick their fave ship from the show which is mostly the Bird of Prey or the Vorcha. So on one side you've got people flying badly setup non-damage "tanks" that need a number of buffs to make work, while on the otherside you got battle cloakable alpha striking ships anyone with half a brain can fly. It's tickle beam arrays vs death dealing dual heavy cannons. In the end this results in inoffensive sitting duck targets that new players can blow up with ease.

5 - Point 4 pretty much means that average Fed pugs instantly have their backs against the wall when klinks decloak. Their thinking is "omg omg omg I'm gonna blow up" saving their meager heals for themselves (or are too focused on trying to do damage with their poor setups). Meanwhile the average klink pug has very little to worry about and as such they're calm and have plenty of heals to spare.

While the KDF does have overall better pugs then fed side, this isn't the only reason they win so much. A large portion is that the KDF simply matches peoples expectations when it comes to Star Trek. Certainly there are a lot of bad klink pugs out there, it's just the ship they're flying matches their focus.

hurleybird 10-06-2012 03:09 PM

If only all of these 'awesome' Klingon players could for the life of them put together a half decent premade. Yeah, I went there.

snoge00f 10-06-2012 03:13 PM

Klingons need to make QEW Part 2 to put back order into PvP again.

dontdrunkimshoot 10-06-2012 03:54 PM

most players want to fly fed cruisers and deal damage in cruiser, thats why they are playing. there was only 1 escort ever, everything else was some type of cruiser after all. only the excelsior, dkora, galor, kinda but not really the regent can deal damage the way they want them to deal damage. on the other hand on the kdf side even a vorcha R can out damage all of those, a negvar could too, but why would you ever fly one of those.

since bops are really bad at sustained heavy damage dealing, and raptors are very limited in variate and the main one is very bad at being an escort, kirking it up in vorcha R, F ktinga and F vorcha is extreamly effective in pugs. they have nearly the same survivability as fed cruisers, and nearly the burst firepower for escorts. so your average kdf puger is going to do better then your average fed puger.

if the average fed was just a beter player, the kdf would get rolled all the time. thier cruisers are better at doing a cruisers job, their escorts are better at doing an escorts job, they have sci ships at all. kdf cruisers have to do the lion share of healing and damage, sacrificing both to do both, the qin cant engage directly with fed escorts very well at all, the bop cant really do the setup for a kill that a fed sci can, its more about getting the kill itself wile trying not to get wiped out, its all terribly unoptimized.

but thats why it works better in pugs, you can do anything in a battle cruiser and bop and it will work much better then trying to do anything in any fed ship other then what they specialize in.


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