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rubberduckconvy 10-30-2012 01:03 PM

Defiant as fighter for Atrox
 
Hey Cryptic Way Don't you make a Defiant Class Fighter for the Atrox. To match Kar'Fi Adv Freighter

kasandaro 10-30-2012 02:53 PM

...more to match that the Vo'Quv gets BoPs. Neither the S'Kul or Fer'Jai are playable.

But then Fed escort =/= KDF raider. Small as the Defiant is, it's still larger than the biggest BoP, non?

(also an obligatory troll-detecting head-tilt, but let's play the question straight.)

tobar26th 10-30-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kasandaro (Post 6320411)
...more to match that the Vo'Quv gets BoPs. Neither the S'Kul or Fer'Jai are playable.

But then Fed escort =/= KDF raider. Small as the Defiant is, it's still larger than the biggest BoP, non?

(also an obligatory troll-detecting head-tilt, but let's play the question straight.)

Meh it's a regular enough request, I think it's perhaps misleading, the BoPs in the KDF carriers are closer in size to the Danube Class runabouts. They just don't look that size in game...

squishkin 10-30-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tobar26th (Post 6320641)
Meh it's a regular enough request, I think it's perhaps misleading, the BoPs in the KDF carriers are closer in size to the Danube Class runabouts. They just don't look that size in game...

What about the Aquarius? It's smaller than the Defiant, isn't it?

razellis 10-31-2012 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by squishkin (Post 6321111)
What about the Aquarius? It's smaller than the Defiant, isn't it?

I've supported the idea of Aquarius (reskined bird of prey pet) and Oberth(Sci focused pet equivalent to Kar'Fi Freighter) for a while now. Most people I've talked to say they are against this idea and pets in general. Personally I think it's because a fair chunk of the player base doesn't want Fed's to have pets with Lt.cmdr powers.

futurepastnow 10-31-2012 08:05 AM

Lack of a Frigate pet makes Federation carriers distinctly substandard compared to the KDF carriers, but I'm not sure that's a discrepancy that should be remedied. Using the BoP pets is, I think, a big draw of flying a Vo'quv- it makes you feel like you're commander of a little battle group. It's something special.

reyan01 10-31-2012 08:20 AM

Actually remember seeing a rendering on Sci-fi meshes, a looong time ago, of a Galaxy class with it's primary shuttlebay (the one on the saucer, behind the bridge) removed in favour of a Defiant-shaped dock.

I.e the Defiant would dock in a similar manner to a Captain's yacht.

maxvitor 10-31-2012 08:22 AM

If the ships were scaled accurately the Defiant would only be slightly larger than the Aquarius, but still considerably larger than a Danube Shuttle or Peregrine Fighter. It's my understanding that the Defiant is something of a destroyer class of ship, a little too big to be used as fighter for a Carrier unless it's a really big damn carrier. As a fighter the Defiant would be over powered, so wings of multiple Defiants would have to have individual ships nerfed to fighter level powers or wings reduced to having a single Defiant flying around at a time.

momaw 10-31-2012 08:39 AM

Nah, it should be the Aquarius. Birds of Prey already exist on the KDF side as special cruiser pets (like Aquarius) and as playable ships (like Aquarius). The only difference is BOPs can be had on carriers and Aquarius can't.

I also like the idea of giving the Federation a "support pet", a frigate sized ship with mediocre firepower that uses heals and extend shields on allies. It would be more Feddish than warships.

SOMETHING needs to change though; Birds of Prey bring a lot more to the table than fighters do, for the Vo'quv, and Federation heavy carriers are left in the dust in terms of firepower without having a corresponding strength in some area. Several Fed pets have unusual abilities, but none of them can compete with the raw firepower of a quartet of B'rolths.

And the people that hate carriers will hate carriers no matter what pets they have, so these people can and should be ignored.

squishkin 10-31-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by momaw (Post 6329021)
Nah, it should be the Aquarius. Birds of Prey already exist on the KDF side as special cruiser pets (like Aquarius) and as playable ships (like Aquarius). The only difference is BOPs can be had on carriers and Aquarius can't.

Indeed. Plus, the Aquarius is already a parasite craft and a playable ship. There's nothing particularly absurd about that.
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I also like the idea of giving the Federation a "support pet", a frigate sized ship with mediocre firepower that uses heals and extend shields on allies. It would be more Feddish than warships.
I kind of like this, but the only problem I have is that it would be OP unless the frigates had reasonable cooldowns on their heals, but then you'd worry about people simply despawning and respawning them, possibly. I think you would have to equip them with their own powers, not simply basic powers carted over.

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SOMETHING needs to change though; Birds of Prey bring a lot more to the table than fighters do, for the Vo'quv, and Federation heavy carriers are left in the dust in terms of firepower without having a corresponding strength in some area. Several Fed pets have unusual abilities, but none of them can compete with the raw firepower of a quartet of B'rolths.
True, but it doesn't have to be an exact carbon copy.

Perhaps the solution is something like, say, Voyager's Aeroshuttle.

Hangar- Aeroshuttle Frigate
Cooldown, 1:20
Aeroshuttle Gear:
Phaser Beam Array
Tachyon Beam I
Work Bee Hull Repair Beam
Transfer Shield Strength I

Advanced Aeroshuttle Frigate
Cooldown: 1:20
Aeroshuttle Gear:
Antiproton Beam Array
Chroniton Torpedo Launcher
Tachyon Beam II
Work Bee Hull Repair Beam
Transfer Shield Strength II

Something like that, perhaps?


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