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stevehale 11-25-2012 06:17 AM

How Important Is Fun?
Someone asked this recently in OPvP. I am surprised it didn't make it to the forums so I'm going to steal it. Simply put, how important is fun?

What is your idea of fun?

How important is it to you that other people have fun, including your friends but also your opponents?

Try to think honestly about it please.

thishorizon 11-25-2012 06:26 AM


fun is the most important aspect of killing bad guys. its why we got into gaming. its why we love trek. they are 2 of the most fun things i can think of.

edit: fun to me, is a joint adventure for adversaries that ends in enjoyment of gameplay regardless of the outcome.

you can have fun, it can be a challenge. you can have fun, it could be relaxing.

fun is what keeps most of us here. no fun is why i think a lot of us are playing other games.

have fun, kill bad guys


orondis 11-25-2012 08:55 AM

Fun is pretty much the main reason I PvP. I enjoy the challenge, especially when compared to the mind numbingly easy PvE.

I enjoy fights that are gimmickless (no P2W consoles, no trics, no SNB doffs etc, no power siphons), just using skill and intelligence (with regards to builds) and are either pug vs pug or premade vs premade. Basically I enjoy a fair fight, whether or not that leads to me being blown up.

Personally I find I get more enjoyment out of pug matches, since there's more self reliance and hinges more upon individual skill.

On the other hand getting focus fired while getting numerous hold/slow/stun disable isn't remotely enjoyable, since it takes control away from me. This is infact one of the reasons I primarily run an escort instead of a cruiser, as APO means I can break most holds and slows.

Also to be honest I find cross healing to be an added bore. Watching someone who has zero skill being kept on lifesupport by his team is annoying. Don't get me wrong, as long as it's available in the game I'll cross heal, I just find it makes a match less enjoyable.

snoge00f 11-25-2012 09:43 AM

Fun for some douchebags, is queuing up as a premade with FOTM to grief people.

And then disappearing from queues when the FOTM gets fixed, only to reappear in the queues when another FOTM appears.

I like a fairly clean match with minimal science crap. More importantly, I want my teammates to actually help each other instead of behaving like selfish douchebags out there.

mimey2 11-25-2012 10:34 AM

First, Snoge00f, what is FOTM? I can't quite figure out what you mean.

Second, I REALLY wanna make a joke here.

Third, I find the most fun to be an exhilarating match, using skill and effort to try and defeat the opponent, not just cheap tactics. It's really very exciting when another player and I, in an arena or something start to duke it out, doing an unexpected 1 v 1. Sometimes I kill that player, sometimes that player kills me. Either way, it''s almost always extremely enjoyable.

When it starts getting into paid-for consoles and ships, with every bit of cheapness under the sun to win, then it loses it fun. When the enemies are weak, without any to no skill or just AFKing, then it also can lose it's fun.

To me, PvP is fun, and as long as it stays fun and enjoyable, I'll do it. When it loses it's fun, I stop doing it.

starwrathforever 11-25-2012 10:39 AM

The real fun crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!:D
Seriously, fun means do not give any importance to an humiliating defeat when you have done everything possible to prevent it.
Fun means to lose against the evul Klinguns in arena and having been the best Fed.
Fun means to vaporize a Vo'quv or a Kar'fi and then escape from the targ packs (Bops and Raptors) vengeance.
Fun means to congratulate your enemy when he defeat you with skill and cleverness and without dirty tricks.
Fun means to remember this is a game and we are all here to have just fun!:cool:

drkfrontiers 11-25-2012 10:40 AM

I'm all about having fun and up for a good challenge.

It's when I am faced with the usual suspects that throw everything considered broken at me, including the kitchen sink that I loose my cool.

I don't mind losing.

I do mind...

... when it's as a result of someone that is intentionally running a known power that's only effect is causing graphic issues, DC and lag.

... when it's someone that corkscrews their way to the ceiling, thinking "Ooooy look at how cool I am..."

... when I am in a match where the opposing team relies on every broken power to justify their inflated sense of superiority.

devorasx 11-25-2012 10:54 AM

FOTM = Flavour (no not flavor bloody!) of the month.

Like e.g the TBR spam or FAW spam before that again.

Fun? When i get to pew pew!

virusdancer 11-25-2012 04:04 PM

Earlier today...

Match #1
Guy on our PUG flies out there fast, notes that it's a premade, and says there's no hope. They're very light on the cheese though - so he's calling targets, and although we lose - it's not that bad. There was still some fun to be had - it was the basic if we'd been a team, worked better together, etc, etc, etc - could have been a great match. It was an acceptable loss - a logical loss.

Match #2
Teamed with that guy again. He starts calling targets, but it's not long before he drops. The rest of us keep fighting, but I choose not to queue after that. I'm not sure what cheese this group didn't use. It was like an aggregate of complaints from the forums - would have made a great video for the devs to watch - hey guys, this is what folks are complaining about. There was no fun in the least - it was just one of those why am I bothering with this game moments.

It's possible to lose and still have fun - to want to keep playing.
It's possible to lose and want to uninstall the game - to bad mouth the devs to all your friends and random strangers while waiting in line at the grocery store.

Fun's very important...

edit: BTW, that was FvF Arena. Earlier on a KDF toon, in a KvF match - our PUG beat their PUG in a 4v4 C&H. All the same though, it wasn't fun. Say what? Two of the Feds were AFKers from the start. It was a meaningless victory - where the AFKers sucked the fun out of it for both their team and our team.

It's possible to win and still not have fun.

Fun's very important, in case you missed that earlier...

piwright42 11-25-2012 04:45 PM

I had fun once...

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