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blacksheeple 11-29-2012 02:32 PM

New Ranks for Starfleet Officers and Starfleet Marines
 
At first excuse my Bad English i'am from Germany.

I would like it to see more Rank Insignias for Starfleet Officers.

For Exampel we Have Cadet Ranks but only on the Acadamy Uniform.

It where cool to add these to all Uniforms,also new Ranks were fine for exampel Fleet Captain and also i think adding Crewman and enlisted Personal Ranks.

Another wish adding somethink like this for a Starfleet Marine Corpse in STO,also with Crewman and enlisted Ranks (Maybe with a Z-Store Marines Uniform Pack like the Jupiter Pack)

http://shadowdragonfleet.webs.com/ma...for%20site.jpg


And at last please let use Choose what Style of Rank Insignia we use on every uniform (Think some Jupteruniforms will look nice with the Enterprise Mirror epaulettes)

supergaminggeek 11-29-2012 04:26 PM

The Federation is an exploratory coalition with ships happening to be outfitted with weapons for defense. It doesn't need a marine force.

sollvax 11-29-2012 04:35 PM

Macos ARE a Marine force

voyagerfan9751 11-29-2012 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by supergaminggeek (Post 6852391)
The Federation is an exploratory coalition with ships happening to be outfitted with weapons for defense. It doesn't need a marine force.

This. People need to get over the idea that Starfleet is a military organization just because its rank system mirrors the Navy. it is not, Gene Roddenberry even said Starfleet is an exploratory unit, not a Military Organization.

I do like the idea of enlisted ranks, but the problem is they are hard to create as there is no canon resources to back up what they would look like. Since to my best knowledge the only enlisted personnel ever mention/featured in Star Trek was Chief Miles O'Brien. (which they do have the Chief insignia)

tyriniusss 11-29-2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by voyagerfan9751 (Post 6855101)
This. People need to get over the idea that Starfleet is a military organization just because its rank system mirrors the Navy. it is not, Gene Roddenberry even said Starfleet is an exploratory unit, not a Military Organization.

Have you played any Episode Mission lately? I tried to "roleplay" a char and play all missions, really reading everything and taking my time. I stopped when I was told to kill all Klingons near the Federation ambassadors, just to "avoid beaming them up accidentally". STO's Starfleet has nothing to do with Gene Rodenberry's. Could have been so easy for them. Stun them on the Ground, disable ships instead of blowing everything up...

This is more like Star Trek Online - Mirror Universe. So yes, we need Marines...

kagurazaka77 11-30-2012 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by voyagerfan9751 (Post 6855101)
This. People need to get over the idea that Starfleet is a military organization just because its rank system mirrors the Navy.

I think it was more the 5-10 wars Starfleet has been the sole Federation beligerants in over the 'past' 200 years that really push people to consider Starfleet the Federation's military.

Everything I have seen on ANY show, Starfleet is responsible for both space and planetary security.

They may not be a military in the traditional sense as they lack force projection, but they are certainly more than an 'exploratory group'.

drowrulesupreme 11-30-2012 12:46 AM

Crewman Enrique Muniz from DS9
Yeoman Janice Rand from TOS (later Master Chief Petty Officer Rand)
Petty Officer First Class Strath (ST:VI - The Undiscovered Country)
Petty Officer Zim Brott from DS9
Chief Petty Officer Sergey Rozhenko from TNG
All of the above are enlisted ranks (with O'Brien being Senior Chief Petty Officer) whether their rank pins were seen or not (as given in dialogue).

Personally, I'm not bothered by ranks below a toon's starting point (ensign) I really want higher ranks brought in to mix things up a bit.
Fleet Captain after Captain since we are likely to be highly decorated Captains given the shear number of battles we take part in.
Commodore after Fleet Captain as the first rank of line officer before the Amdiral ranks. I know Commodore fell out of use in Star Trek but there is no reason why, with Starfleet's swelling ranks, it would not be reintroduced.
I for one would not object to waiting two more ranks to be an Admiral... makes more sense than having a bunch of Admirals taking it to the Borg, Undine, Iconians, Remans, Breen, Romulans, True Way, Klingons, etc., etc., ad nauseum...

Just my 2 pence worth...

artan42 11-30-2012 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by drowrulesupreme (Post 6857311)
Fleet Captain after Captain since we are likely to be highly decorated Captains given the shear number of battles we take part in.
Commodore after Fleet Captain as the first rank of line officer before the Amdiral ranks. I know Commodore fell out of use in Star Trek but there is no reason why, with Starfleet's swelling ranks, it would not be reintroduced.

Did Fleet Captain exist in ST?
We have Commodore, it's just called Rear Admiral Lower Half.
I agree though rename the lower half one Commodore and the upper half one Rear Admiral.

blacksheeple 11-30-2012 06:19 AM

Starleet is in my eyes a hermaphrodite.
Starfleet Makes Zivil Jobs like exploration and it is the Military of the UFP.

M.A.C.O.'s are MArines Maybe yes Maybe no.
I think this is a Point of View.

Maybe MACO is a Stand alone Organisation or maybe there are a Elite Part of STarfleet Marine Corps.

In Roddenberrys Star trek yes there were no Place for Marines but i Think in STO (What is another Timeline/Reality) there will be ok.

But interessting nobody talks about the Last fact i have mention^^
"And at last please let use Choose what Style of Rank Insignia we use on every uniform (Think some Jupteruniforms will look nice with the Enterprise Mirror epaulettes)"


Yes Fleet Capatin and COmmodore are maybe the Same but i know a Rank Insigna for FLeet Captain that have simply 5 Pins

voyagerfan9751 11-30-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by artan42 (Post 6857921)
Did Fleet Captain exist in ST?
We have Commodore, it's just called Rear Admiral Lower Half.
I agree though rename the lower half one Commodore and the upper half one Rear Admiral.

Most likely the rank was changed because the ranks where changed in the Navy. And as far as I know there is no "Fleet Captain" rank.

The ranks as I understand them are

Ensign
Lieutenant Junior Grade
Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Commander
Captain
Rear Admiral Lower Half
Rear Admiral Upper Half
Vice Admiral
Admiral
Fleet Admiral


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