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okkam88 12-01-2012 12:26 PM

Bortas(qu) vs Vorcha/Ktinga
 
Is there anything a Bortas or Bortasqu can do than a Vorcha or Ktinga can't do better? I'm coming back from a hiatus and I really like the look of the Bortas variants, but I'm just not sure if they really are worth the time/money/etc vs getting one of the Fleet Vorchas or Ktingas. I levelled in battlecruisers but the Bortas seems
more like a fed cruiser than a battlecruiser.

EDIT - My KDF guy is an Engineer.

chalpen 12-01-2012 12:38 PM

the bortasq cannot turn but it is amazingly powerful at forward cannon fire.

So, all any ship has to do is get behind him.

okkam88 12-01-2012 12:52 PM

I should also clarify that I'm 99% PVE. I only occasionally do PVP when I need dilithium. Is the turning manageable for PVE or is it still super annoying?

xantris 12-01-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by okkam88 (Post 6884781)
I should also clarify that I'm 99% PVE. I only occasionally do PVP when I need dilithium. Is the turning manageable for PVE or is it still super annoying?

It's manageable in STFs, where everything is super scripted and slow moving. In anything that involves more of a dogfight, it's pretty annoying.

I personally wouldn't fly one, but I don't like any ships that have less than a 10 in turn rating

marc8219 12-01-2012 01:21 PM

The Bortasqu can do many things better except turn. The tac Bortasqu with 5 tac consoles has more firepower in pve since you dont need to turn good to hit with DHC, and has the abilty to do a massive decloaking alpha strike using the autocannon, this can result in near instant kills in pvp. Unfortuantley the Bortasqu has to use 180 degree single cannons or beam arrays in pvp due to turn rate but still does a lot of damage dut to the tac consoles.

The command bortasqu has 1 less tac console but gets 1 more sci console then tac bortasqu, and is only KDF cruiser with sensor analysis so its damage can really pile up more then the Torhkat or Ktinga also over time.

I dont care much for the War Bortasqu but I suppose it can be a better hull tank with the 5th eng console and still have lots of firepower to.

I recomend either tac or command bortasqu or the 3 pack if you can handle the turn rate, someplayers hate it. If you have ever piloted a carrier and dont mind its low manuverabilty then Bortasqu is for you as you get a ship with more tankiness and firepower and universal boffs.

roddy229 12-08-2012 04:17 AM

I have two Vor'chas and a Bortasqu' war cruiser. The war cruiser is pretty mean when built properly, but it's turning radius is bigger then that of a cruise liner! Both of my Vor'chas were pretty mean ships for their size, just leaves me wishing they had better hull strength

benj2293 01-02-2013 09:55 AM

I personally prefer the Bortasqu' Tactical or Command, they have huge amounts of firepower and good tanking, depending on what heals you put on them, they are excellent at surviving everything the PvE enemies throw at it, except the occasional invisi-torp. The turning is easily manageable, despite other people over-exaggerating how slow it is .
Though you're not planning on doing PvP, a 7 beam, 1 torp, or 8 beam setup on any of the 3 Versions can hurt a lot. Beam Fire at Will and Emergency Power to Weapons along with your nadion inversion should be able to make your beams hit for around 2000 damage per shot.

patrickngo 01-02-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by okkam88 (Post 6884511)
Is there anything a Bortas or Bortasqu can do than a Vorcha or Ktinga can't do better? I'm coming back from a hiatus and I really like the look of the Bortas variants, but I'm just not sure if they really are worth the time/money/etc vs getting one of the Fleet Vorchas or Ktingas. I levelled in battlecruisers but the Bortas seems
more like a fed cruiser than a battlecruiser.

EDIT - My KDF guy is an Engineer.

Log on to Tribble, go to the Qo'Nos shipyard, there's a console there, (or was a while ago) whre your toon on Tribble can 'claim' a Bortasque. Take it, test-drive it.

if the ONLY STF you play is Infected, it's not bad for STFs.

everywhere else, it's basically worse than a Vo'Quv. Yes, it has enormous firepower potential-problem is, actually getting that firepower in a position to take the shot-which is where the design fails utterly. (The Vo'Quv only holds one advantage-but it's a key advantage-the ability to deploy swarms of smallcraft that CAN turn...)

remember: the only time Potential firepower COUNTS is when you can APPLY IT. The shot you couldn't take or the shot that misses, neither one matters, only the shots that HIT can do damage!

In observation: Bortas are easy meat for Feds in Ker'rat, and the few I've seen in the que'd PvP only make a positive difference when the rest of the team is built around keeping the opposition off their flanks while facing five kirking feds in slower fed cruisers.

I will reiterate: POTENTIAL firepower (peak DPS) only matters if you can actually line up the shot. when you can't, it becomes meaningless.

bitemepwe 01-02-2013 11:47 AM

Kahless knows when I took a BortasQu idea I had into to K yesterday, it died quick. Maybe its out of date already?

thissler 01-02-2013 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by patrickngo (Post 7323471)
Log on to Tribble, go to the Qo'Nos shipyard, there's a console there, (or was a while ago) whre your toon on Tribble can 'claim' a Bortasque. Take it, test-drive it.

if the ONLY STF you play is Infected, it's not bad for STFs.

everywhere else, it's basically worse than a Vo'Quv. Yes, it has enormous firepower potential-problem is, actually getting that firepower in a position to take the shot-which is where the design fails utterly. (The Vo'Quv only holds one advantage-but it's a key advantage-the ability to deploy swarms of smallcraft that CAN turn...)

remember: the only time Potential firepower COUNTS is when you can APPLY IT. The shot you couldn't take or the shot that misses, neither one matters, only the shots that HIT can do damage!

In observation: Bortas are easy meat for Feds in Ker'rat, and the few I've seen in the que'd PvP only make a positive difference when the rest of the team is built around keeping the opposition off their flanks while facing five kirking feds in slower fed cruisers.

I will reiterate: POTENTIAL firepower (peak DPS) only matters if you can actually line up the shot. when you can't, it becomes meaningless.

So why didn't you just come on here and say "I don't fly one cause I don't know how to fly one."? I mean that's what your saying right? Don't worry though, we aren't gonna get into this. You just keep on not being able to do stuff and blaming the stuff, the devs, and anyone but yourself. But please, stop telling other people that they can't do it.

And why the heck are you bringing carriers into this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erPP8gt4X7M Budget Bortas in KA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwZwom0_988 Fleet Vor'cha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt8-lDmbpeQ Bortas in Cure and Fleet Event

It is a big slow ship. It has some fun consoles. The ubercannon combined with dem doffs is uber silly. If you don't mind driving a ship like it's a huge assualt ship, its great. Think of a WWII style SP Gun. The other ships are just insanely fast. I really like the console and boff layout on the fleet Vor'cha, but hey, they are all capable ships. The only obvious bonus of the Bortas set is that you do gain 3 ships that you could set up for different missions. I admit I didn't. I simply kept the command version.

Cheers happy flying, and this ship is fun for any borg stf. Except maybe the ground missions. And don't let anyone tell you different.

PS: Romulan or the Transport Escort events all my toons use escorts. Just the way it is those are speedy turny missions. The right tool for the job and all that.


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