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mustrumridcully0 12-10-2012 01:00 AM

Crazy Ideas: Would you invest in a PvP kickstarter?
 
See my thread on C-Store kickstarters as well as the November Ask Cryptic.

What if Cryptic would fund the development of projects for the game in a kickstarter system. Let's say they come out and say: "Sorry, we can't make money making new Klingon ships / PVP systems. We just don't make enough money from them to be worth it. Unless we see some serious commitment by the players - more than we can normally ask from them, these things will not be done."

And let's say they offer a PvP kickstarter. A development project after which end you'd get a new PvP mode and a rebalance of all existing items, ships and powers. If enough people commit to it and invest in the kickstarter, the project will launch. If not, it won't, you get your money/Zen back, and that's it. If it launches and completes, every player will have access to it, not just those that paid, of course (so you're not necessarily getting any special privileges here, just the chance to ensure something gets done you want to have in the game.)

Would you be willing to invest in such a kickstarter? Under what conditions would you invest?

darkfader1988 12-10-2012 01:54 AM

No thanks, it is too late for that, too late for everything.

I don't even want better PvP in this game anymore they simply dont deserve any of this.

This MMO and the meaning of MMO part simply failed and is a big disgrace. Ditch PVP and simply make it a Single player game with multiplayer PVE parts.


Oh btw, if you didnt know yet, they already milked us (PVPers) enough in terms of money, like pvpers really gave **** to cryptic and didnt throw a single penny towards this system? We need to grab even more money and throw it at them while they dont even recognize that even lots of pvpers spent tons of cash on this godforsaken game?


Well, that was an exciting kickstarter response now was it ? :O


MT *No more Excuses* Ridiculous :p

zarathos1978 12-10-2012 01:57 AM

If we get new, separate from STO "Star Trek PvP only" game based on STO space combat model. And a game that will be:

a) subscription based
b) kept running by Cryptic (no further investements from our side)
b) have completely NO ties to C-Store
c) anything that will be added by Cryptic to it will need our (funders) approval. If we say "no" to some sort of console, power etc it will mean that Cryptic says "Yes, sir" and don't add it.

darkfader1988 12-10-2012 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zarathos1978 (Post 7010731)
If we get new, separate from STO "Star Trek PvP only" game based on STO space combat model. And a game that will be:

a) subscription based
b) kept running by Cryptic (no further investements from our side)
b) have completely NO ties to C-Store
c) anything that will be added by Cryptic to it will need our (funders) approval. If we say "no" to some sort of console, power etc it will mean that Cryptic says "Yes, sir" and don't add it.

Sorry even ifit was just running and tied by Cryptic only I wouldnt even trust them to make anything acceptable, they are incompetent and they have shown it over the years. they cant even fix PvE properly Lulz.

You know what? totally rip this game into two, give the other half to a proper MMO developer, and totally focus it on PvP, totally revamp the system, keep all the models, saves lots of work. make it 360 degree combat kkthx.

Solved.

zarathos1978 12-10-2012 02:04 AM

It's not as if I trust them. I don't even play anymore, though I miss my Ker'rat fix and pissing old good Star in his "true warrior BoP" :D

But under those conditions I may be willing to toss few $ into the kickstarter. Sure, it will be better if they gave up on PvP and licenced the STO model to someone competent for STO-PvP game. But this won't happen.

drkfrontiers 12-10-2012 03:48 AM

This is a brilliant idea. One I would gladly invest in.

caffran607 12-10-2012 03:58 AM

Even if there was a separate from STO PvP game, I still wouldn't spend money on it. I only began playing at the beginning of 2012, but from what I have heard and read on the forums, they have been making false promises about fixing/revamping pvp for several years now. Also from my experiences it is obvious that they are out to make money no matter what the cost is to pvp.

They brought out the Atrox carrier, and with that the Danube Runabouts. Many players complained about the carrier spam and especially the runabouts and what have they done about this? Firstly they released the Escort Carrier. Then they release the Vespa already with Danubes already in the hangar bay. To us PvPers it looked like they were taking the piss, but it allowed role players out there to sit in STFs saying "Ok guys i'm going tosit back and send in my fighters to take out the Tac cube".

With regards to things like consoles etc. AMS has been frowned upon since the beginning of time, many players said it should be only usable on the ship it comes with, so they gave it to the Klingons as well.

Siphons had something done to it apparently, so HOORAY!! I dunno what tho, cos when I get siphoned I never stay in the match long enough to see.

Even if Cryptic said "right we're going to make a separate PvP game just for you, BUT your gonna have to subscribe to get it" I would not even trust them in the first place to make a game which gave the players what they wanted, let alone leave it that way without trying to turn it into another P2W money making venture.

The only circumstances under which I would spend money on a STO based PvP game, would be if it was produced and run by another company and if there was a system where players could create a game, choose maps, set rules like no Danubes, no AMS which block players from using/equipping them. Then make it available in the queues, and players choose from a list which map, and rules they would like to join. This would also hopefully mean players who rely on "cheese" would see less action and be forced to leave the game, or change the way they play.

dantrainor 12-10-2012 05:57 AM

I genuinley wouldn't give money to Cryptic Studios if they were a starving old man on the side of the street.
And I'm a charitable guy.

robeasom 12-10-2012 07:15 AM

They should let PVP die and not let it suffer the way it is and I am no longer giving money to Cryptic until they show they ail do stuff for KDF

aquitaine985 12-10-2012 08:25 AM

I thought my lifetime membership, game purchases, prior subscription and C Store purchases were going into Development, now i'm expected to pay on top for something I should have AS A GIVEN? I think not.


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