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hobstbank 01-17-2013 04:25 AM

RFD: Story Element "Timer" - Feature Request
 
Introduced with Season 7, any Mission suitable for OR needs to last 20 Minutes or more.

It is hardly possible to create a Mission that - independent from player - runs for a certain amount of time. So a mission can easily need 15 min for one player and 25 for another. It is hard enough to get a mission OR certified, even harder to regain it.

To avoid a mission loosing OR cert, like other authors I add a timer to the mission, realized by NPCs who patrol and then kill each other. To avoid users to interfere with the "timer", I place it somewhere out of range - if possible.

This might be a bearable workaround if the AI would work a bit more reliable. But since for some publishes the "patrol timer" works ok, it often enough fails, causing time consuming reviews of the mission. This is not only frustrating for me. Being unable to finish a mission is even more pain for users.

So - long talk short sense - I want a Timer-Feature for the Foundry storyboard. And I want it with priority, since it makes no sense to modify all the missions for this damn patrol timer and then later write all back and use a well laid timer.

Technically this is one of the most easy things since any game uses endless sets of timers, I really wonder why it still is not there.

So I hope this thread helps to discuss and/or support the Feature Request.

drogyn1701 01-17-2013 05:54 AM

I also would love to have a timer mechanic, and before they made the changes to the Investigate Officer Reports, we might have stood a chance at getting one.

Now, however, I doubt they will implement one because someone could, once they got the mission to qualify, simplly put in a 16 minute timer and let the player go afk and so players could run it over and over again and get lots and lots of dilithium for absolutely zero effort and the mission average time would never drop below the requirement.

sandukutupu 01-17-2013 05:57 AM

I feel for you...
 
We have asked for a great many things, while this is slightly different, I would not hold my breath. Most of my missions take a while to run through, I test the time by skipping dialog and speeding through just to be sure now that there is a 20 minute requirement.

I recall asking they do away with the "quickies" which as I knew would p_ss off a lot of dilthium farmers. But I don't write missions to be forced or want people to feel bribed to play something that should be entertaining. I do agree 20 minutes is a bit too long... I believe I suggested a minimum of 2 or 3 map transitions.

There are some "tricks" to adding timers. I have used Kirkfat's timer but substituted ships on the far side of a planet. The timer is a plot device as well. Even if the user skips my dialog they still MUST wait for the collision of the anomaly into the planet. This trips other battles and dialog.

Since the devs chose this path, they should have a simple method of testing your mission and giving you the average play time by having an AI play through the mission. While I support your thread and idea, I don't think the devs thought this one through well.

Dialog should count as well and they could give the AI a nice slow reading speed.
Any author is going to want you to read their dialog, it is why we write books. LoL

Best wishes!

ajstoner 01-17-2013 10:39 AM

The only way to fake a timer is on a ground map.

1) Have a room walled-off so the player can't get in there.

2) Have a high-level friendly mob in that room.

3) When you want your "timer" to start have an enemy mob spawn in there (low level so it can't win) and make its destruction a progression objective. You can name the objective whatever you want so this can be disguised.

It is inexact but will cause a delay in mission progression.

zorbane 01-17-2013 10:43 AM

If your mission is too short to qualify for IOR then it's too short...adding a timer to inflate it artificially is not a solution.

The only thing I can see this doing is creating a mission where the player can afk for 15 minutes so they can get free dilithium for doing nothing.

hobstbank 01-17-2013 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zorbane (Post 7521411)
If your mission is too short to qualify for IOR then it's too short...adding a timer to inflate it artificially is not a solution.

The only thing I can see this doing is creating a mission where the player can afk for 15 minutes so they can get free dilithium for doing nothing.

Iif you like this or not ... these missions are already there, and the patrol timer works better for them than for more complex missions. So your argument seems to be quite futile.

A storyboard timer would open more possibilities, more reliability and so more fun for authors and users as well.

hobstbank 01-17-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajstoner (Post 7521331)
The only way to fake a timer is on a ground map.

1) Have a room walled-off so the player can't get in there.

2) Have a high-level friendly mob in that room.

3) When you want your "timer" to start have an enemy mob spawn in there (low level so it can't win) and make its destruction a progression objective. You can name the objective whatever you want so this can be disguised.

It is inexact but will cause a delay in mission progression.

Yes, this way timers have been done, also sending mobs on patrol is an option. In space you can lock out ppl form certain areas using invisible objects, or put them on a platform in sky or on the ground for other map types.

But ... due to foundry limits it needs a bunch of time to adjust the timer to be as exact as necessary and in some maps the patrol wont start if it is too far away from the users position what makes the map unreliable.

So why cause hundreds of foundry authors waste their time into painful workarounds when a timer element for storyboard could solve all this problems?

Well, this is one of the questions why I started this request for discussion. Maybe most of the foundry authors out there love the pain and dont know what else to do with their time. If so, it would be stupid to ruin their fun by implementing a simple and effective solution...

drogyn1701 01-17-2013 12:00 PM

Hey I'd love to have a timer mechanic. I can think of a lot of great uses for it. And under the old system we could have had one.

But now, exploits man. This is why we can't have nice things.

hobstbank 01-17-2013 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drogyn1701 (Post 7522831)
Hey I'd love to have a timer mechanic. I can think of a lot of great uses for it. And under the old system we could have had one.

But now, exploits man. This is why we can't have nice things.


Is it really an exploit to design a mission for max output at minimal time and attention costs? Or is it strict within the rules?

And - lots of such missions already are there, but where is the timer?

So "can be abused" is a quite pointless argument. Also no reason to cut and run, isnt it?

pendra3780 01-17-2013 01:27 PM

Yes
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