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sicnus 01-21-2013 07:48 AM

My first dip into UFP v. KDF PvP
 
I have to say, it's impossible to have Honor & a Cloak when its repeatedly used to escape death...

dank65 01-21-2013 07:58 AM

No its not since thats what the ships were built for hit and run, You have to remember
ships with cloaks have some of the lowest hull and shield points in game for the cloak.

zarathos1978 01-21-2013 08:06 AM

Yeah, but then the hull difference between them and non-cloaking ships is not that big to be a handicap for Klink ships. Not with all those buffs and healing available for free to everyone. Even BoP is not all that weak, although it is weakes STO ship I think.

And before you say something - I do not think that cloak is OP. It makes Klinks too dependant on it and can be exploited nicely. Still the lowest hull/shield ratio between them and uncloaking ships is not all that relevant I think. It was - like... 6 seasons ago or so.

wolverine595959 01-21-2013 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sicnus (Post 7572981)
I have to say, it's impossible to have Honor & a Cloak when its repeatedly used to escape death...


Please call me when the KDF has ships that can be specialized and have the most optimum Boff layouts. All of your "20" escorts are pretty much better than anything on the KDF side including the BoP, your "20" cruisers are pretty much the best when compared to the KDF equivalent, oh and the "20" Sci ships you have, KDF really does not have a sci-ship per se, yeah we have the carriers and few one offs but nothing dedicated to sci.

wolverine595959 01-21-2013 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by zarathos1978 (Post 7573221)
Yeah, but then the hull difference between them and non-cloaking ships is not that big to be a handicap for Klink ships. Not with all those buffs and healing available for free to everyone. Even BoP is not all that weak, although it is weakes STO ship I think.

And before you say something - I do not think that cloak is OP. It makes Klinks too dependant on it and can be exploited nicely. Still the lowest hull/shield ratio between them and uncloaking ships is not all that relevant I think. It was - like... 6 seasons ago or so.

The BoP is the only one with battle cloak, once the battle is on and every ship but the BoP de-cloaks there cannot cloak again until battle is broken. Kdf has the weakest shields in the game, defense in the game is about shields not hull.

p2wsucks 01-21-2013 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by zarathos1978 (Post 7573221)
Yeah, but then the hull difference between them and non-cloaking ships is not that big to be a handicap for Klink ships. Not with all those buffs and healing available for free to everyone. Even BoP is not all that weak, although it is weakes STO ship I think.

And before you say something - I do not think that cloak is OP. It makes Klinks too dependant on it and can be exploited nicely. Still the lowest hull/shield ratio between them and uncloaking ships is not all that relevant I think. It was - like... 6 seasons ago or so.

Low hull and shield HPs matter. Low shield regen matters. 1 less rear weapon mount matters. 1 less ens boff slot matters. At least 1 less Tac slot matters. No Sci console varient matters.

To the OP, your team needs to work to reduce the Raider's movement and disable the cloak. TB does both. EWP does both. VM can do both. There are other options as well.

xiphenon 01-21-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sicnus (Post 7572981)
I have to say, it's impossible to have Honor & a Cloak when its repeatedly used to escape death...

Kingons are NOT space orcs. They do NOT rush mindless into the enemy, but use clever battle tactics ... their way of fighting is more compareable to the Huns (their look in TOS also implies that), which used mounted archers to hit and run. To be more mobile than the enemy is the major strategy.

In the Klingon way of warrior, it is also not honorless to use cloak to do a tactical retreat to later have the oppurtunity to deal another deadly strike to your opponent. This would even be more honorfull than simply throw your life away in a situation you cannot win. The latter would be brave ... but simply stupid, even in Klingon society.

To leave a PvP match, because your team is loosing ... yeah, that makes you an "petaQ".

Qapla'!

starwrathforever 01-21-2013 09:46 AM

Xiphenon, a real evul Klingun, has spoken!:eek:
Now, Fed comrade, don't criticize a legitimate guerrilla warfare of the bad guys because the Bop is a vessel born to execute hit and run tactics.
It's not about honor but the most effective way of vaporizing the enemy!
A skilled Sci with a skilled Tac are the best team to kill the Bops...and it's a matter of fact also two Bops, a specialized Sci and a specialized Tac, are a terrific attack team.

inktomi19 01-21-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sicnus (Post 7572981)
I have to say, it's impossible to have Honor & a Cloak when its repeatedly used to escape death...

Escaping death is only dishonorable if it's used to quit the fight. If they come back and attack again, it's honorable.

dontdrunkimshoot 01-21-2013 11:10 AM

crying about battle cloak? just try flying a bop and tell us how overpowered it is. its extreamly fragile and has a unique tactical option, its balanced and fair. bops have largely been left behind umung all the power creep anyway, and theres a fed escort with every good bop station setup. cry more feds.


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