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mimey2 01-23-2013 12:34 AM

What's the worst and least worst from the new lockbox?
 
I was going to post this in the other lockbox thread here, but felt it was worth it's own topic.

So, from a PvP standpoint, what do you feel is the worst and least worst things that is gonna come out of the new Dominion lockbox?

To me, I'd have to say the Phased Polarons are gonna be the worst. I mean, the two best procs in the game for PvE AND PvP (IMO) in one weapon? Drain a ton of power, and then a chance to disable something on top of that?

Suddenly, your weapons don't hit as hard, you are moving slower, your heals are weaker, and your shields aren't taking hits or getting any regen, AND then on top of that, one of those gets disabled.

And that isn't even including the zillion other energy drain and disable abilities we can use on top of that.

So while I don't deny the new Jem'hader ships (WHY does the heavy escort have a hangar?) aren't something I look forward to, we don't know their exact details as of yet. So those are still technically up in the air for the time being. But the Phased Polarons? We all know exactly what those do individually, and how potent they can be; now they will be together in one weapon.

(If you like polarons, you'd better buy the consoles NOW before they go up too much in price; or rather more than they are already.)



On the other end, I don't feel the console swap is that much of an issue. I mean, Feds are getting Bioneural Warhead, which I like as a fun toy...but that's kinda all to me. I love getting a crit on it, because all it's little shots auto-crit when you do.

KDF is getting Nadeon Detonator, which I can't wait, but it still has all the normal shortcomings of a cheese console. It's a good console though. I can't wait to start using my B'rel as even more of a potent torpedo boat.

The DOFFs are kind of hit and miss. Some of them are more PvE focused, but there's a couple of noteworthy ones. The biggest one probably being the SS DOFF, due to the fact that you can use that with SNB DOFFs and/or normal SNB to really mess up someone's BOFFs.



That's the biggest things to me atm about this. The Jem'hader consoles could be trouble, but I'd rather know the exact details first of the other ships and the consoles before I decide.



Also, I think at this point folks, 'drain builds' are NOT KDF exclusive anymore. There's way too many things nowadays to allow a Fed player a drain build even without siphon drones. (Heck, just think of the Jem'hader ships with siphon drones when they come out).

marc8219 01-23-2013 12:49 AM

If The lockbox phased polarons are like the quest rewards, they will be polaron and tetryon proc. Can't say I look foward to going up against shield and power drain builds with this tet glider and other shield/power drains.

Main thing I am interested in would be the mirror Voquv if it has more engineering then the current one.

dalnar83 01-23-2013 12:57 AM

My worst fear is, that STO will be full of dominion ships on both sides and that the "simple" starfleet and KDF designs will be made obsolete. I hated bug so much, now there will be bug, bug with fighters, and bug with even more fighters. Together with phased lolaron spam and other trash, PvP will be really great..NOT.

shimmerless 01-23-2013 12:59 AM

I'm really conflicted... on the one hand I'm a giant Dom fanboy and I kinda wish Cryptic would just port everything over to a Dom faction and get it over with. On the other hand, PvP basically has nothing to do with Starfleet/KDF at this point and the amount of ships with inexplicable hangar bays is reaching the truly absurd.

antoniosalieri 01-23-2013 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by marc8219 (Post 7600571)
If The lockbox phased polarons are like the quest rewards, they will be polaron and tetryon proc. Can't say I look foward to going up against shield and power drain builds with this tet glider and other shield/power drains.

Main thing I am interested in would be the mirror Voquv if it has more engineering then the current one.

They renamed the reward ones... I think its pretty safe to say these are polaron weapons with phaser procs.

We now have phased polaron and phased tetryon.... I would still say from a pure dmg stand point the Polarized Disruptors will still be king.

Ya these new ones will be very annoying when they proc.

cliftona91 01-23-2013 01:10 AM

I don't like any of the rewards from a PVP standpoint.

It's basically all the things we don't need in PVP rolled up and stuffed into the lockbox.

From a looks standpoint, the Heavy Escort Carrier and Dreadnought look awesome.

havam 01-23-2013 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cliftona91 (Post 7600701)
It's basically all the things we don't need in PVP rolled up and stuffed into the lockbox.

sums it up nicely

virusdancer 01-23-2013 02:05 AM

Worst?

Look at the Fleet Defiant. Look at the Fleet Armitage. Look at the Bug. Look at the Heavy Bug Carrier.

Least worst?

Mirror Advanced/Mirror Patrol Escorts. (Notice I didn't include the Mirror Vo'quv.) Like other Fed Mirror ships, they're likely to be next to free on the Exchange in a short period of time.

Honorable Mention

Bio-Neural.

When I brought it up back on 12/15, it led to a discussion about why the Feds wouldn't get it. I figured they would still do it - retooling it, so it would not upset the Federation's delicate sensibilities about such things. http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh....php?p=7103791

I Was Wrong, Kind Of

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=485671

I tried to make the case that the Breen Sarr Theln Warship Carrier would be unlikely for the Dominion Lockbox because of the number of carriers that had been added already last year.

So I was wrong, kind of...nope, they didn't add the Sarr Theln. Not because they have added so many carriers to the game, but because they added two Dominion carriers and a Mirror Vo'quv...ahem, lol. Lol? Meh...

Future Speculation

The Breen Box.

Sarr Theln Carrier.
Breen "Capital Ship" (weaker version of the Rezreth).
Mirror Defiant and Mirror Negh'Var.
Deferi Transport.
Fed Leech or Aceton? KDF Ionized (retooled) or Grappler?
Breen Cryogas console.
Breen Trans Booster console.
(2pc and 3pc sets with the BED).
Breen ground set.
Various Breen and Deferi DOFFs that do things people couldn't have imagined.
Etc, etc, etc.

What other boxes could be lurking out there? Iconian? Borg? Romulan?

What's going to happen to box reruns when they up the level cap?

Yep, STO's future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qrriKcwvlY

/cough

mattjohnsonva 01-23-2013 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dalnar83 (Post 7600611)
My worst fear is, that STO will be full of dominion ships on both sides and that the "simple" starfleet and KDF designs will be made obsolete. I hated bug so much, now there will be bug, bug with fighters, and bug with even more fighters. Together with phased lolaron spam and other trash, PvP will be really great..NOT.

I think this unlikely. How many bug ships do you see? I have two and rarely fly them, preferring the Excelsior on my main. People win them and then move on so they are no longer in the game whereas Fed ships are awarded all the time as players level up and so Sol is mostly always populated with fed ships.

dalnar83 01-23-2013 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mattjohnsonva (Post 7601101)
I think this unlikely. How many bug ships do you see? I have two and rarely fly them, preferring the Excelsior on my main. People win them and then move on so they are no longer in the game whereas Fed ships are awarded all the time as players level up and so Sol is mostly always populated with fed ships.

Excuse me, but we are in pvp forum...do you think I was talking about the ship composition outside of Sol spacedock ? :rolleyes:


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