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picardtheiii 02-18-2013 12:41 AM

How would Gene feel about the commercialization of Star Trek?
 
Hello fellow Captains!!!

I'm curious how everyone thinks Gene Roddenberry would feel about everyone capitalizing on the success of Star Trek for monetary gain.

I remember quite a few references in his shows where the desire for monetary game had been "forgotten" or otherwise "surpassed".

Yet everything about STO is created for the sole purpose of putting wealth in the pockets of the makers.

Comments? Thank you.

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startrekron 02-18-2013 12:52 AM

Considering Gene profited from the mountain of Trek merchandising, conventions, personal appearances, movies, posters, lunchboxes, and everything else with Trek on the front of it.... I doubt he'd care and would want his cut.

picardtheiii 02-18-2013 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by startrekron (Post 8144121)
Considering Gene profited from the mountain of Trek merchandising, conventions, personal appearances, movies, posters, lunchboxes, and everything else with Trek on the front of it.... I doubt he'd care and would want his cut.

No that can't be right I remember reading somewhere he was a "Humanist".

skonn 02-18-2013 12:59 AM

Believe it. Gene was a shill, selling overpriced trek merch through Lincoln enterprises as far back as the original run of TOS.

He'd LOVE how STO's money grabbing, provided, of course, he was getting a cut of it. If he was still alive, he would've talked CBS into letting us have the ships/things we want (T5 Connie, Android as a playable "race") for a jacked up price so he could get a piece of the action.

Having an idyllic vision of the future and wanting to profit from it greatly are not mutually exclusive. The reason Gene hated the fact that he sold the IP to Paramount wasn't their misuse of it... it's the fact that he didn't make any money off it later on. He never thought the franchise would have a revival in the late 70's.

jornado 02-18-2013 01:06 AM

He started selling merchandise for Star Trek as a sideline even before the merch rights had been settled with the studio.

And Majel, wonderful moneygrubber that she was, continued to profit from his really really terrible ideas after his death (remember Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda and Earth: Final Conflict?).

Roddenberry had a great vision and concept with Star Trek. But he was not a saint, personally or professionally. He was a Hollywood TV guy, with all the emotional and financial mores that are now cliche for Hollywood TV guys.

His contribution to culture and to SciFi in general cannot be overlooked, but then again neither can L. Ron Hubbard's....

gfreeman98 02-18-2013 01:10 AM

While the above portrayals of Mr. Roddenberry may seem harsh to some, the fact is it's true. You familiar with the IDIC symbol, along with the whole "infinite diversity in infinite combinations" mantra, first introduced in TOS? It was introduced purely for the merchandising and woven into the scripts.

Quite brilliant, really, since this was long before the "product placement" we have nowadays.

picardtheiii 02-18-2013 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by skonn (Post 8144221)
He'd LOVE how STO's money grabbing, provided, of course, he was getting a cut of it.



Funniest thing I've ready in quite a while! LOL!

lter 02-18-2013 01:21 AM

He would feel ****ing RICH!!!

patrickngo 02-18-2013 01:27 AM

He'd likely be a little bit disappointed at some of the ham-handed and obvious moves-not because they're profit oriented, but because they're so badly implemented and crudely assembled as naked grabs. Roddenberry was a master of the art of gracefully separating the audience from their money, while making said audience GLAD to give it to him, even thankful for the opportunity.

Contrast that with some of the naked resource grabs we've seen with S7 so far, the 160+ pages of fury over the 2/14/13 patch notes, the embarassment to Cryptic over the poorly implemented Rep Passives, the back-tracking of the "New and exciting" move regarding STF rewards, etc. etc.-Mr. Gene would have been firing people (or using the threat of pulling licenses to get people fired) over such poor performance.

Because he understood that it was as critical to make the Mark happy to pay you, as it was to harvest the money in the first place.

as to the reference to Andromeda, you can see where Gene's notes ended and the Studio's money-men (not all that creative at it, either) began, with the ending of Season 3, which is, coincidentally, when it went from "Pretty good" to "Utter Sucktastic." (kind of like the process with Babylon 5 going from season 4's resolution of the major storylines, to season 5's blundering around looking for a plot that made sense!)

Trek's great strength was in running from a weak start to a strong finish-even under Berman and Braga (well, except when they decided to gut the franchise with that finale episode of "Enterprise", anyway...), they generally maintained a 'feel' to the brand-which the early mission sets for STO maintained. BUT, like Andromeda or the last episode of "Enterprise", STO's lost the 'feel' of Star Trek, and become mulched down with that same directionlessness that has left a sour taste in viewer's mouths (or in this case, players' mouths.)

tiroboomer 02-18-2013 01:42 AM

Gene would feel great! He oversaw and was happy with a lot of it over the course of his life.

...what would make him sad is the loss of the integrity. The loss of the message. It's ok if the message of Star Trek is on the side of a cup you paid an outrageous amount for... but if the message was ever lost, that would be damning to the human race as a whole.

Even if Gene needs to convince you to pay for it, or if you can get it for free without merchandise attached, that message of peace, hope, love, and seeking to be a better person at all times in all things, is what is important.


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