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jestersage 02-25-2013 10:47 PM

Fed need a better carrier
 
Now that I finally bump my sci Klingon build to Lv 40, there's only one thing I can say: I LOVE carriers. Nothing like debuff/buff like mad so that the 4 Bird-of-prey swoop in and make PvE missions like cakewalk, especially when comparing the federation equivalent.

That being said, I am just wondering whether there are actually real equivalent of the Vo'quv on the feddie side. Here's the issue:

1) Vo'quv is free. Atrox is NOT free
2) Vo'quv can carry frigates. Given 2 minutes prep time and you have a squad of Bird-of-prey. Atrox at most have Delta Flyers, which as far I can tell from the wiki does not compare to the B'rel.
3) Vo'quv just have better stats. Also have a fleet version.
4) Vo'quv have some customization in model looks... but Atrox does not.

The only thing I can think that makes it balance is that Federation have other options, such as better escort carrier selections, MVAE, and that Andronian OP ships... but none of them are really pet-oriented.

Considering that carrier probably suck at PvP (haven't try it), I am wondering: is there any point to get a carrier on federation side? Or should I just restrict carrier play on KDF?

travelingmaster 02-25-2013 11:13 PM

The Federation should not get a better carrier. Then again, I'm a biased KDF player who thinks the effing Feddies shouldn't have gotten a carrier to begin with. Carriers are one of the few advantages the KDF has to counterbalance Federation advantages and numbers.

That being said, the Federation carrier options are. . .passable. They can double nicely as tanks and healers.

sander233 02-25-2013 11:26 PM

Feds do NOT need a better carrier. The base Armitage (which I use) is scary enough as-is; the fleet version is terrifying. And the Atrox works great in its intended role. It can't bring in frigates but those Stalkers knock down shields like mad.

The Vo'Quv is very different from the Fed carriers because the KDF and Starfleet have very differnet design philosophies, as things should be.

addsin15 02-25-2013 11:33 PM

I've just returned from a long time away. Gonna spend 2500 on a new ship after selling my dilithium.

What's the bottom line on the atrox? I'm a Science Officer who usually flies a cruiser.

rosebloome 02-25-2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by addsin15 (Post 8314331)
I've just returned from a long time away. Gonna spend 2500 on a new ship after selling my dilithium.

What's the bottom line on the atrox? I'm a Science Officer who usually flies a cruiser.

Atrox is more like a full on Sci ship with double hangars for support. It does fairly decent, you can set it up to be a mean tank while wittling something down. The only problem is since all the E-STFs are pretty much DPS races and you won't really see your best damage until you get a pair of elite scorpion fighters from tier 5 rommie rep. All in all Atrox is a nice ship, I liked using it.

If you're used to flying cruisers, and want a cruiser feel with pets accompanying you, you might like the Vesta. I bought the armitage for my GF before, she didn't fly it for very long. Maybe because the design is so.. so... so... blegh.

unangbangkay 02-25-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by addsin15 (Post 8314331)
I've just returned from a long time away. Gonna spend 2500 on a new ship after selling my dilithium.

What's the bottom line on the atrox? I'm a Science Officer who usually flies a cruiser.

It's inferior to the KDF carriers, but it's serviceable in its own right (and it's not like you have a choice, lobi ships notwithstanding). It's a good pure science-and-support ship, though you won't see as much damage out of it until you get some bitchin' pets.

Like most of the carriers it has some issues with its lack of maneuverability and the forward-arc emphasis on the best DPS sci powers, but that can be compensated for. I myself prefer a park-and-spray approach while relying on pets for damage and control.

The native pets (Stalkers) are not especially good, but they're pretty, and the catboat is practically invisible in sector space (for better or worse).

thepantsparty 02-25-2013 11:51 PM

I think the Recluse is a better ship than the Atrox if you want a carrier, but the Recluse can't be purchased with zen (at least not directly). Definitely consider the Vesta as well, even though it's not a full carrier.

rosebloome 02-25-2013 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thepantsparty (Post 8314451)
I think the Recluse is a better ship than the Atrox if you want a carrier, but the Recluse can't be purchased with zen (at least not directly). Definitely consider the Vesta as well, even though it's not a full carrier.

Would rather get the Jemmy Dread, recluse is a horrible eyesore.

jestersage 02-26-2013 08:33 PM

On a sidenote, is Atrox good for PvP? What about other 2-hangars carriers?

unangbangkay 02-26-2013 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jestersage (Post 8331651)
On a sidenote, is Atrox good for PvP? What about other 2-hangars carriers?

Eh, I'm not a PVPer, but from what I've heard it's simply outclassed by Klink carriers, and is naturally outclassed by the Lobi carriers (which is the point in that case).

The biggest difference between the Atrox and the other carriers is a lack of flexibility. Unlike the Recluse or Jammie Dread it has no universal Boff slots and just 9 consoles and unlike the Kar'Fi it has less Boff stations (and is slower), and has an inferior tactical layout to the Vo'quv.

It also has no unique console, Feds don't have frigate/BoP pets, and no unique bridge (the true tragedy).

Again, for what it's worth, it's NOT as bad as forumers say, and is perfectly worthwhile. Just don't expect miracles. And don't use the Stalker pets.

I know a guy who uses it as a great healboat.


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