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sumghai 02-26-2013 09:19 PM

Starfleet Uniforms from Star Trek: Countdown
 
If there's one Starfleet unform variant I'd like to see made available on the C-store, it would be the ones from the Star Trek: Countdown prequel comic to the 2009 film.

http://images.wikia.com/startrek/ima...comparison.jpg

http://images.macworld.com/appguide/...18/988/ss2.jpg

http://images.macworld.com/appguide/...18/988/ss3.jpg

Apparently, this particular variant was actually in the Alpha version of STO, and was for some reason taken out.

The closest equivalent currently in-game is the Sierra 1, which has poorly detailed collars and an ugly strip of hexagonal plasticky fabric just under the shoulder area.

Thoughts?

bberge1701 02-27-2013 12:10 PM

Licensing?
 
If I had to guess, I'm thinking that they were probably pulled because they couldn't get the licensing from IDW Publishing, the owner of the comics. The Sierra 1 is probably Cryptic's non-infringing version.

centersolace 02-27-2013 09:03 PM

I'd have a gander that bberge is right. After all, the 2009 uniforms are in the code, but not in the actual game.

suprcheese 02-28-2013 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by centersolace (Post 8350301)
I'd have a gander that bberge is right. After all, the 2009 uniforms are in the code, but not in the actual game.

Yeah, they're even called in the code, and I quote directly, "Star Trek 11 DO NOT USE!!!"
:rolleyes:

yreodred 02-28-2013 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumghai (Post 8332141)
If there's one Starfleet unform variant I'd like to see made available on the C-store, it would be the ones from the Star Trek: Countdown prequel comic to the 2009 film.

http://images.wikia.com/startrek/ima...comparison.jpg

http://images.macworld.com/appguide/...18/988/ss2.jpg

http://images.macworld.com/appguide/...18/988/ss3.jpg

Apparently, this particular variant was actually in the Alpha version of STO, and was for some reason taken out.

The closest equivalent currently in-game is the Sierra 1, which has poorly detailed collars and an ugly strip of hexagonal plasticky fabric just under the shoulder area.

Thoughts?

I like them, much more than most other Cryptics made uniforms.

They look simple and elegant, perfect.

Without Cryptics typical annoying little details like Metal plates, wierd looking plastic surface, strange color discrepances or their general habit of adding too much (ugly) details that ruins the look of a uniform/ship.

I am sure IF cryptic would add them, they surely would add some little thing that ruins the whole look of it, as they always do.

EDIT:
Strangely i always thought them to be some dark grey, since i only know the first picture showing Captain Data.
But seeing them in black makes them look really good, which is even stranger, since i never liked the early DS9/Voy or the First Contact movie uniform.


alchemistid 02-28-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suprcheese (Post 8352381)
Yeah, they're even called in the code, and I quote directly, "Star Trek 11 DO NOT USE!!!"
:rolleyes:

That may be true, but that's because the franchise is effectively now split into two sub-franchises: Trek Classic and New Trek.

The uniforms in Countdown (which as an aside is an absolutely horrendous thing to call a comic tie-in, very much akin to calling a brand new luxury liner Titanic) are from the universe of Trek Classic, the licensing for them shouldn't be any harder to obtain than the various references to the Pocket Books continuities, such as Akaar and the Luna Class or the numerous references to Rihannsu and stuff from the Deep Space Nine books.

There was that long debacle with the Vesta, but that was mostly tied up negotiations between the designer and CBS/Cryptic. There shouldn't be nearly as much difficulty in obtaining the license to utilize a Starfleet uniform from a tie-in miniseries that is effectively recognized as canon.

And yeah, I'd prefer these over Sierra 1 as well. Much cleaner looking and a more believable evolution of the uniforms introduced in Star Trek First Contact.

As for Cryptic's propensity to overdecorate the player's attire, yeah, a lot of these uniforms are incredibly busy looking. Jupiter 5 for example looks like it has massive overall straps.

The Jupiter Veteran's probably the best and most future Starfleet looking uniform in the game IMHO, which is probably why you see increasing numbers of Starfleet NPC's sporting it. But only if you're willing to subscribe for over a year to get it. Or fork over 200+ in cash to get it immediately during a Lifetimer promotion.

sumghai 03-04-2013 03:25 PM

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

So if I understand correctly:
- CBS laid out the common backstory of Data becoming Captain of the Ent-E, the Hobus supernova et al.
- IDW's prequel tie-in to nuTrek was one interpretation
- STO is another, independent interpretation

A bit of a shame, really. Guess I'll just have to stick with my Sierra Ones for now.

archofwinter 03-05-2013 12:09 AM

I think in the Path to 2509 thing, they pretty much put the events in the prequel tie-in into the STO timeline/universe.

yreodred 03-05-2013 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumghai (Post 8432481)
Thanks for the replies, everyone.

So if I understand correctly:
- CBS laid out the common backstory of Data becoming Captain of the Ent-E, the Hobus supernova et al.
- IDW's prequel tie-in to nuTrek was one interpretation
- STO is another, independent interpretation

A bit of a shame, really. Guess I'll just have to stick with my Sierra Ones for now.

I don't quite understand where the problem lies.

Data is Captain of the Enterprise -E...
Romulus is destroyed...

In my opinion this means the events (whatever happens in Countdown) do in fact occur previously to STO and so the countdown uniforms have a good chance to exist in STOs timeline.

I must emphasize that i really like these uniforms, i would give all Sierra and Antares uniforms for the Countdown uniform in exchange.

Personally i use Sierra 3 uniform as a substitute for the countdown uni. If you give the lower part (the paralbe) the same color as the main unifrom, i think it look much better than Sierra 1, but that's just my personal preference.

The only thing that bothers me is the colored sleeve, of course it shares the same color as the collar... well done cryptic, lol.

sumghai 03-05-2013 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yreodred (Post 8450101)
I don't quite understand where the problem lies.

Data is Captain of the Enterprise -E...
Romulus is destroyed...

In my opinion this means the events (whatever happens in Countdown) do in fact occur previously to STO and so the countdown uniforms have a good chance to exist in STOs timeline.

Yes, the events of the common backstory were shared by both Cryptic and IDW.

However, the specifics such as uniform design did not belong to CBS - Cryptic and IDW did their own artwork independently and separately, so that's where the licensing issues comes in.

The one way this could work is if CBS acquires the rights to the uniform design from IDW and then passes them on to Cryptic, possibly showcasing them as part of a one-off mission featuring the now-retired Captain Data. This, however, is highly unlikely given that Paramount now owns the rights to the TNG movies with the Ent-E, and the studios have deliberately held off any depiction of the ultimate fate of the Ent-E in case they wanted to do another Prime Trek series/film.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yreodred (Post 8450101)
Personally i use Sierra 3 uniform as a substitute for the countdown uni. If you give the lower part (the paralbe) the same color as the main unifrom, i think it look much better than Sierra 1, but that's just my personal preference.

The only thing that bothers me is the colored sleeve, of course it shares the same color as the collar... well done cryptic, lol.

I too don't like the colored sleeves on the Sierra 3, as well as that delta region on the lower torso. I suspect the latter was an exaggerated throwback to the TNG season one uniforms, but I can't say I'd like it even if the colors were matched up.


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