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papertoasty 02-27-2013 11:25 AM

energy siphon and borg
 
did a little searching and didnt come up with anything . . .
not sure if this is the right sub forum either . . .

in any case . . .

i have an engi toon in a fleet excel with phased polarons.
wanting to make the energy drain a bit more with energy siphon

the question is, before i respec for flow capacitors, does the -25 proc and energy siphon even affect borg?

intrepid74656 02-27-2013 01:24 PM

Short answers, no.

It should effect other NPC's though but the effect's are hardly worth it for PvE. PvP is another topic.

woodwhity 02-27-2013 10:33 PM

Power Drain against the borg is basically useless. You can have a TR, ES and TS on a normal cube and its shields wont drop. The only thing you might achieve is to deactivate their weapons.
ES has the positive effect that you get your power up independently to the power drain.

hereticknight085 02-27-2013 11:59 PM

Good thing about polaron procs and ES is that is does make the Borg BAs hit with a little less force. But it does nothing to their torps, and shutting off a subsystem on a gate/tac cube is a pain in the rear. And they also come back up VERY quickly if you do manage to get it down.

szerontzur 02-28-2013 12:48 AM

I've completely shut down ships in Cure Space with a single hanger of Orion Interceptors, so you can get some mileage out of a drain spec there at least.

Every bit of damage you can take away from Donatra helps as well - although Aceton Beam is a much more efficient route given the flat percentage reduction and long duration.


Really though, KDF is the faction you want to be if you want to drain spec. They simply have more and better tools for it.

skollulfr 02-28-2013 06:01 AM

i dont know about all borg ships but i have seen the tac cubes sprout something called 'subsystem off-line immunity'.

kyeto13 02-28-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by skollulfr (Post 8355061)
i dont know about all borg ships but i have seen the tac cubes sprout something called 'subsystem off-line immunity'.

Every ship you target with Subsystem targeting, either from a science ship or from a tactical skill, will get a subsystem immunity. it is part of the skill.

As for energy siphon builds, I tried one a few months ago with a Vesta with mixed results. I had dual Energy siphons, Viral Matrix, and phaser weapons. However, I had little success in shutting down both NPC's and players. The Energy siphon was mainly useful in boosting my own power levels, but had a minimal effect on the energy levels of the target. Viral matrix was more effective with disabling a ship for a short time, but with the random system, it is not that effective of a means of disabling.

hereticknight085 02-28-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kyeto13 (Post 8358441)
Every ship you target with Subsystem targeting, either from a science ship or from a tactical skill, will get a subsystem immunity. it is part of the skill.

As for energy siphon builds, I tried one a few months ago with a Vesta with mixed results. I had dual Energy siphons, Viral Matrix, and phaser weapons. However, I had little success in shutting down both NPC's and players. The Energy siphon was mainly useful in boosting my own power levels, but had a minimal effect on the energy levels of the target. Viral matrix was more effective with disabling a ship for a short time, but with the random system, it is not that effective of a means of disabling.

Your problem there: you used phasers. Go with Polaron. It's overall effectiveness is much muuuuuch better, since tbh, with the Borg, the only SS you ever need knocked offline is weapons. So that's a 2.5% chance of killing a SS, and of that 2.5% chance, you only have a 25% chance of getting the SS you want, which results in the most desirable outcome (BORG HAZ NO GUNZ) only having a 0.625% chance of happening. Not that good.

However, if you use Polaron weapons, you get a global -25 (base, increased with Flow Capacitors) drain to ALL SS. Combine that with an ES3 and a TR2, and you can knock a target's SS power down by ~70. That will take the edge off of any energy weapons the Borg use, but still won't do anything to torps. They have Monotanium for that :P

bareel 02-28-2013 02:39 PM

Drain does the following things to borg.

1) Lowers shield resistance and regeneration rate.
2) Lowers bonus defense.
3) Lowers energy weapon damage.

They just seem to be extremely resistant to it but every little bit helps. The best part of the drain/power level mechanics is that its not binary, it always helps just a question of how much.

misslithany 02-28-2013 03:43 PM

I have a vampire build and using just phased polaron weapons, ES3, and TSS3, I can easily drop a elite cubes shields. Even against Elite Tac cubes I may not be able to drop their shields but my draining keeps the shield regen down so once the groups stripped the shields off, they stay off. Plus ES boosts your power levels, so thats more damage from your weapons, better shield regen, faster movement/higher defense bonus, and better heals/buffs/debuffs from aux based skills.


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