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syberghost 02-28-2013 05:20 PM

The importance of avoiding Pay 2 Win
 
This is making the rounds in the industry again, although it's a couple of years old so I'm sure PWE is aware, but it couldn't hurt to bring it up again:

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

Figured you guys would enjoy a nice discussion of applying the lessons to STO, and maybe the devs will get something from your discussion as well.

chalpen 02-28-2013 05:23 PM

i wouldn't worry. Prior to going F2P Dan Stahl mentioned that basically what they would be selling is cosmetic changes. Never any advantages. Ever.

sunfrancks 02-28-2013 05:29 PM

We already hit p2w a long time ago....

errab 02-28-2013 05:32 PM

Did I miss something?

When did we avoid Pay to Win :P

hiplyrustic 02-28-2013 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syberghost (Post 8368711)
This is making the rounds in the industry again, although it's a couple of years old so I'm sure PWE is aware, but it couldn't hurt to bring it up again:

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

Figured you guys would enjoy a nice discussion of applying the lessons to STO, and maybe the devs will get something from your discussion as well.

Interestingly enough...if as a player you don't just punch your monitor in anger...if you wait to get to the end the message is:

"It's perfectly ok to go full-on Pay to Win, the amount of people who will actually quit is nothing compared to the financial rewards"

The "money" page: http://image.slidesharecdn.com/benco...jpg?1311816277

Just why did you post this, Ghost? You know it's going to start a storm, you have to. :cool:

hiplyrustic 02-28-2013 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chalpen (Post 8368771)
i wouldn't worry. Prior to going F2P Dan Stahl mentioned that basically what they would be selling is cosmetic changes. Never any advantages. Ever.


Nothing that's purchasable with RMT in this game is superior to what's free, is that what you're saying?

millimidget 02-28-2013 05:35 PM

I haven't seen the system as it's setup so far as being P2W, but then again, there doesn't exactly seem to be much to win if you choose to pay.

My only concern would be that the new shiny I bought last week is being surpassed by a new shiny coming out next week. Basically, I don't want to see another new escort for 3-6 months; if it's an issue of releasing ships which sell well, then find ways to make non-escorts attractive sales.

If the interpretation of "P2W" is that the same ship types will be updated and re-released every month under the premise that I'll buy a new one every month just to keep up, then there is a breakdown in the system.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chalpen (Post 8368771)
i wouldn't worry. Prior to going F2P Dan Stahl mentioned that basically what they would be selling is cosmetic changes. Never any advantages. Ever.

I'm sure there's a whole line of non-C-store 5 fore weapon escorts coming out next week. /sarcasm

syberghost 02-28-2013 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hiplyrustic (Post 8368911)
Just why did you post this, Ghost? You know it's going to start a storm, you have to. :cool:

I have faith in you guys; you'll rebut what's wrong in this, and you'll examine what's right, and how it applies to this game. This is a great community; I wouldn't donate my time to moderating it if I didn't believe that.

hiplyrustic 02-28-2013 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syberghost (Post 8368981)
I have faith in you guys; you'll rebut what's wrong in this, and you'll examine what's right, and how it applies to this game. This is a great community; I wouldn't donate my time to moderating it if I didn't believe that.

I do like a mod who isn't afraid to stir the pot, lol.

Disclosure, I am a mod for the SWGEmu project's forums...so I am usually too forgiving of mods in other forums. ;)

millimidget 02-28-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hiplyrustic (Post 8369041)
I do like a mod who isn't afraid to stir the pot, lol.

I was just entrapped into a temporary ban on the forum for another game. Stirring the pot is one thing, but it's really easy to abuse that authority.


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